Pentagon now... 3rd plane!?

Confusing and conflicting reports :( Oh god.

"Racecraft" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Confusing and conflicting reports :( > >Oh god. > This really surprised me. I thought DC had an elaborate anti-aircraft defense on the rooftops of several buildings around key installations. Why wasn't this plane shot out of the sky before it ever hit the Pentagon? I can only imagine that Plane #4 was headed for Whitehouse before it crashed in PA. -------------------- Sinjin www.SinjinSolves.com Your Guide to Success

how do you stop a 300 tons airplane ? "Sinjin" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: [email hidden]...

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> "Racecraft" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Confusing and conflicting reports :( > > > >Oh god. > > > > This really surprised me. I thought DC had an elaborate anti-aircraft

defense > on the rooftops of several buildings around key installations. Why wasn'tthis > plane shot out of the sky before it ever hit the Pentagon? > > I can only imagine that Plane #4 was headed for Whitehouse before itcrashed in

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> PA. > > > > -------------------- > Sinjin > www.SinjinSolves.com > Your Guide to Success

[email hidden] (Sinjin) writes: > I can only imagine that Plane #4 was headed for Whitehouse before it crashed in > PA. reports say it was heading for Camp David. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 gnus don't kill people. gnus-summary-lower-score kills people.

"Sinjin" wrote... > <snip> > This really surprised me. I thought DC had an elaborate > anti-aircraft defense on the rooftops of several > buildings around key installations. Why wasn't this > plane shot out of the sky before it ever hit the Pentagon? Possibly because a)they didn't know it was part of a series of terrorist attacks, and b)because it contained 100+ innocent civilians? I can understand your outrage, but it's important to realise such a scenario was probably never envisaged. Jan. =---

Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: >[email hidden] (Sinjin) writes: > >> I can only imagine that Plane #4 was headed for Whitehouse before it crashed in >> PA. > >reports say it was heading for Camp David. reports also said that if you extrapolated the flight plan past Camp David they were in direct route for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. -------------------- Sinjin www.SinjinSolves.com Your Guide to Success

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > I can understand your outrage, but it's important to realise such ascenario > was probably never envisaged. It was a widely publicized fictional scenario in Tom Clancy's novel Debt of Honor (except that one crashed the Capitol). Before that, Dale Brown's Storming Heaven has a similar scenario. --KC

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>On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:03:04 +0200, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>how do you stop a 300 tons airplane ? >> > >With an air-air or surface-air missile. >

Exactly! Reports said that plane was coming in at treetop level knocking over power-line poles before it hit the Pentagon. I'd rather see wreckage strewn down a few blocks than our famous 5-sided builded reduced to 4 sides.

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>> >>"Sinjin" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: >>[email hidden]... >>> "Racecraft" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>> >>> >Confusing and conflicting reports :( >>> > >>> >Oh god. >>> > >>> >>> This really surprised me. I thought DC had an elaborate anti-aircraft >>defense >>> on the rooftops of several buildings around key installations. Why wasn't >>this >>> plane shot out of the sky before it ever hit the Pentagon? >>> >>> I can only imagine that Plane #4 was headed for Whitehouse before it >>crashed in >>> PA. >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------- >>> Sinjin >>> www.SinjinSolves.com >>> Your Guide to Success >> > >=============================================================== >"I fear all I have done is awakened a sleeping giant and filled him > with a terrible resolve." > --Admiral Yamamoto after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. >===============================================================

-------------------- Sinjin www.SinjinSolves.com Your Guide to Success

yes, and I hope it finishes like clancy's book, with a nice smartbomb on the face of the guy who ordered this... "Kasey Chang (use EXCITE.COM instead!)" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: o1An7.271$[email hidden]...

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> > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > I can understand your outrage, but it's important to realise such a > scenario > > was probably never envisaged. > > It was a widely publicized fictional scenario in Tom Clancy's novel > Debt of Honor (except that one crashed the Capitol). Before that, > Dale Brown's Storming Heaven has a similar scenario. > > --KC > > >

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> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:03:04 +0200, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >how do you stop a 300 tons airplane ? > > > > With an air-air or surface-air missile. >

Wrong, you can down a plane with a missile, not STOP it, maybe you can explode a small fighter, but not a big airliner, if you shoot it the way you say you spread the damage, instead of hitting hard a small surface you spray burning fuel and plane parts on a huge area and you will kill more people. There is just nothing to do against a 300 ton thing moving at 600+kph, maybe if you KNOW 20 minutes beforehand you can try to shoot the thing out of the sky but there are not many unhabited place on the US east cost, so in fact what happened is probably the scenario that has caused the less lives to be lost, can you imagine if one wing is falling on one place, another wing somewhere else, the tail another place and so on, instead of having 1 impact you have many... I think the biggest problem is to know how could 4 planes be hijacked at the same time, leaving from american airports.

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> Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: > >[email hidden] (Sinjin) writes: > > > >> I can only imagine that Plane #4 was headed for Whitehouse before it crashed in > >> PA. > > > >reports say it was heading for Camp David. > > reports also said that if you extrapolated the flight plan past Camp David they > were in direct route for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

yes. but that theory has one problem. the plane that _did_ crash in DC took off from Dulles. why would the fly the second plane all the way from Boston? -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 silence is FOO!

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>> reports also said that if you extrapolated the flight plan past Camp David >they >> were in direct route for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. > >yes. but that theory has one problem. the plane that _did_ crash in >DC took off from Dulles. why would the fly the second plane all the >way from Boston?

Timing? wanting them all to happen in a relatively short time. If the first plane crashed an hour or more before the other 3, there might have been time to stop them. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>"Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote > There is just nothing to do against a 300 ton thing moving at 600+kph,maybe > if you KNOW 20 minutes beforehand you can try to shoot the thing out ofthe > sky but there are not many unhabited place on the US east cost, so in fact > what happened is probably the scenario that has caused the less lives tobe > lost Sorry, but there is no comparing the sheer density of people working in the WTC complex compared to the area of debris an airplane would had done if shot down. What happened yesterday is the scenario that caused the most lives to be lost. Airplanes have crashed in urban populated areas in the past, and caused less then hundreds of lives on the ground. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Remember, they chose a specific type of airliner. A Boeing 767. The pilots had to be trained. They had to be briefed. So they chose 4 planes of the same type that all left at approximentally the same time or within a window of invulnerability(due to lack of information) to launch their attacks. dave henrie "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > [email hidden] (Sinjin) writes: > > Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >[email hidden] (Sinjin) writes: > > > > > >> I can only imagine that Plane #4 was headed for Whitehouse before itcrashed in > > >> PA. > > > > > >reports say it was heading for Camp David. > > > > reports also said that if you extrapolated the flight plan past CampDavid they

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> > were in direct route for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. > > yes. but that theory has one problem. the plane that _did_ crash in > DC took off from Dulles. why would the fly the second plane all the > way from Boston? > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > silence is FOO!

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >> reports also said that if you extrapolated the flight plan past Camp David > >they > >> were in direct route for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. > > > >yes. but that theory has one problem. the plane that _did_ crash in > >DC took off from Dulles. why would the fly the second plane all the > >way from Boston? > > Timing? wanting them all to happen in a relatively short time. If the first > plane crashed an hour or more before the other 3, there might have been time to > stop them.

but planes take off from Dulles all the time, no? I don't see the problem... -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 gitaren er en sjingke

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>> >yes. but that theory has one problem. the plane that _did_ crash in >> >DC took off from Dulles. why would the fly the second plane all the >> >way from Boston? >> >> Timing? wanting them all to happen in a relatively short time. If the >first >> plane crashed an hour or more before the other 3, there might have been >time to >> stop them. > >but planes take off from Dulles all the time, no? I don't see the >problem... >

They wanted a large plane that had a cross-country destination so it would be full of fuel. I don't think those take off every 30 minutes. Also there was probably a certain window of time where it would be POSSIBLE to hijack each plane. Un-substantiated speculation on my part... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.