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http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp?cp1=1 Holy crap!

And a 2nd aircraft has just hit the 2nd tower - both are now ablaze Doug "Racecraft" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp?cp1=1 > > Holy crap! > >

sounds like suicide bombers... give a fanatic an airplane and see what happens? dave henrie "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:P1on7.15256$[email hidden]...

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> And a 2nd aircraft has just hit the 2nd tower - both are now ablaze > > Doug > > "Racecraft" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp?cp1=1 > > > > Holy crap! > > > > > >

Man, just heard it myself. What the hell?? Who is doing this?? Douglas Ellison wrote in message ...

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>And a 2nd aircraft has just hit the 2nd tower - both are now ablaze > >Doug > >"Racecraft" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp?cp1=1 >> >> Holy crap! >> >> > >

Man, just heard it myself. What the hell?? Who is doing this??

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>And a 2nd aircraft has just hit the 2nd tower - both are now ablaze >Doug >> http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp?cp1=1 >> Holy crap!

On September 11 2001, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> And a 2nd aircraft has just hit the 2nd tower - both are now ablaze > > Doug > > "Racecraft" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden].. . >> http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp?cp1=1 >> >> Holy crap! >> >>

Please just spare a moment in the excitement of this breaking news to think of the death and destruction this has no doubt caused to many American families and tourists alike. Our thoughts and prayers are with them and all the emergency services who are at this moment risking their lives to hopefully save others no doubt trapped in this terrible terrible act of terrorist violence. MikeT.

This is completely awful, I am watching the pictures now its just unthinkable :( My prayers are with the families of the dead :( Ash

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| | Please just spare a moment in the excitement of this breaking news to | think of the death and destruction this has no doubt caused to many | American families and tourists alike. Our thoughts and prayers are with | them and all the emergency services who are at this moment risking their | lives to hopefully save others no doubt trapped in this terrible | terrible act of terrorist violence. | | MikeT. |

Why do they always have to involve all the innocent people ? Mankind will never learn... "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:P1on7.15256$[email hidden]...

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> And a 2nd aircraft has just hit the 2nd tower - both are now ablaze > > Doug > > "Racecraft" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp?cp1=1 > > > > Holy crap! > > > > > >

I am shocked. The ammount of human stupidity is indeed without bounds. My thoughts are with the families of the deceased. -Gregor Racecraft wrote: > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp?cp1=1 > > Holy crap!

I was stuck in traffic during my drive into work today. Over the road ahead I could see the smoke from the towers, being about 20 miles East of Manhattan. This is even more terrible than the bombing, one of the planes was a commuter plane from Boston. During my drive in I saw about three Army helicopters flying along the coast toward the city, and on the road I was passed by the typical black suburbans with flashing light kits. They are closing all the bridges and tunnels into the city, and the three major airports have been closed. New York is in a total panic. We most do something.... May god help the families of the victims. btgoss "Jimmy De Plecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9nl4c9$1js7$[email hidden]...

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> Why do they always have to involve all the innocent people ? > Mankind will never learn... > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:P1on7.15256$[email hidden]... > > And a 2nd aircraft has just hit the 2nd tower - both are now ablaze > > > > Doug > > > > "Racecraft" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp?cp1=1 > > > > > > Holy crap! > > > > > > > > > > > >

I can't get anything off the net.. seems to be bogged down. But the radio is reporting this: One plane hits one tower. Second plane hits the other tower. (Rumored to be a hijacked US Air 737) Pentagon has been hit Fire from the whitehouse possibly. =( Thoughts and prayers to the innocent victims of this. Scott PA-Scott "Racecraft" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp?cp1=1 > > Holy crap! > >

I was up on the roof of my building about 10 minutes ago, we saw the increased smoke from the tower collapsing.... The united States must react strongly to this.... I can't even put into words how horrible this is... btgoss "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I am shocked. The ammount of human stupidity is indeed without bounds. > My thoughts are with the families of the deceased. > > -Gregor > > Racecraft wrote: > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp?cp1=1 > > > > Holy crap!

Jimmy De Plecker <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9nl4c9$1js7$[email hidden]... > Why do they always have to involve all the innocent people ? > Mankind will never learn... > >Its easy to go out and kill some innocent and usually unarmed. Terrorists do not want to face down a millitary that can defend themselves. Dave

The second tower just fell... "btgoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AYon7.1233$[email hidden]...

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> I was up on the roof of my building about 10 minutes ago, we saw the > increased smoke from the tower collapsing.... > The united States must react strongly to this.... I can't even put into > words how horrible this is... > > btgoss > > > "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I am shocked. The ammount of human stupidity is indeed without bounds. > > My thoughts are with the families of the deceased. > > > > -Gregor > > > > Racecraft wrote: > > > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp?cp1=1 > > > > > > Holy crap! > >

They are truly cowards :( | Its easy to go out and kill some innocent and usually unarmed. Terrorists | do not want to face down a millitary that can defend themselves. | | Dave | |

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:00:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I can't get anything off the net.. seems to be bogged down. But the radio >is reporting this: > >One plane hits one tower. >Second plane hits the other tower. (Rumored to be a hijacked US Air 737) A 757 and a 767, both hijacked. It's unreal to think that I once stood up on that roof which I have today seen come tumbling down, unimaginable. A shame, a waste. My thoughts are with the people fighting for their future. Ruud van Gaal Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:09:37 +0100, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote: >And a 2nd aircraft has just hit the 2nd tower - both are now ablaze >My deepest sympathy for the american people and the innocent victims and their families. regards from Denmark....ur Nato-allied... /Thore_DK

This should not be viewed as an attack on just the United States, but as an attack on the entire civilized world. The time is coming for the entire world community to unite and fight against such cowardice. -Dave "Thore Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:09:37 +0100, "Douglas Ellison" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >And a 2nd aircraft has just hit the 2nd tower - both are now ablaze > > > My deepest sympathy for the american people and the innocent victims and > their families. > > regards from Denmark....ur Nato-allied... > /Thore_DK >

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:21:16 +0100, "Racecraft" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Man, just heard it myself. What the hell?? Who is doing this?? No one knows yet, but bin laden (sp?) is the most likely suspect. He's the Taliban-habored terrorist believed responsible for the Cole attack in Yemen and other attacks against US military targets. He recently made statements about upping the ante to include major civilian attacks. He is one of the very few people in the world with the logistical and monetary cpabilities of orchestrating this attack. P.S. - The Taliban is largely funded by Iraq. If this is who is responsible, I expect the USA to declare war on Afghanastan and Iraq.

[email hidden] (Joe62) writes: First of all I was astounded by the news, then shocked, and now i'm kind of in a state of disbelief. I really hope everyone and everyones family in this small nice community is safe, and my condolences goes to those less fortunate.

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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:21:16 +0100, "Racecraft" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Man, just heard it myself. What the hell?? Who is doing this?? > > No one knows yet, but bin laden (sp?) is the most likely suspect. He's > the Taliban-habored terrorist believed responsible for the Cole attack > in Yemen and other attacks against US military targets. He recently > made statements about upping the ante to include major civilian > attacks. He is one of the very few people in the world with the > logistical and monetary cpabilities of orchestrating this attack. > > P.S. - The Taliban is largely funded by Iraq. If this is who is > responsible, I expect the USA to declare war on Afghanastan and Iraq.

I see a lot of people around newsgroups tonigt waging war, but really, what good does it do to declare was against Iraq and Afghanistan ? What kind of war ? Nuke them or bomb them back to stoneage ? What about the innocent civilian people in those countries just trying to make their day ? Yes, hunt down those responsible and punish them properly, but I just can't support war in any way. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

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>[email hidden] (Joe62) writes: > >First of all I was astounded by the news, then shocked, and now >i'm kind of in a state of disbelief. I really hope everyone and >everyones family in this small nice community is safe, and my >condolences goes to those less fortunate. > >> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:21:16 +0100, "Racecraft" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Man, just heard it myself. What the hell?? Who is doing this?? >> >> No one knows yet, but bin laden (sp?) is the most likely suspect. He's >> the Taliban-habored terrorist believed responsible for the Cole attack >> in Yemen and other attacks against US military targets. He recently >> made statements about upping the ante to include major civilian >> attacks. He is one of the very few people in the world with the >> logistical and monetary cpabilities of orchestrating this attack. >> >> P.S. - The Taliban is largely funded by Iraq. If this is who is >> responsible, I expect the USA to declare war on Afghanastan and Iraq. > >I see a lot of people around newsgroups tonigt waging war, but really, >what good does it do to declare was against Iraq and Afghanistan ? >What kind of war ? Nuke them or bomb them back to stoneage ? What >about the innocent civilian people in those countries just trying to >make their day ? Yes, hunt down those responsible and punish them >properly, but I just can't support war in any way.

Looking back a Pearl Harbor - most of the US casualties were military personnel however when we struck back we NUKED 2 cities killing millions of families, women, kids, etc. I doubt that when it comes times to strike back for this attack we are going to do any kind of surgical strike. -------------------- Sinjin www.SinjinSolves.com Your Guide to Success

On 11 Sep 2001 21:18:11 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote: >I see a lot of people around newsgroups tonigt waging war, but really, >what good does it do to declare was against Iraq and Afghanistan ? It lets countries know that they can no longer harbor terrorists, without also becoming responsible for the terrorist's actions. Simple as that really. >What kind of war ? Nuke them or bomb them back to stoneage ? If it was my choice I would restrain myself and just bomb them back to the stoneage. But then I'm a peacable man by nature.

This is awful, absolutely awful. My condolences to everybody hit by this incredible tragedy. Lars G. Denmark On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:09:11 +0100, "Racecraft" <[email hidden]> wrote: >http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp?cp1=1 > >Holy crap! >

> > P.S. - The Taliban is largely funded by Iraq. If this is who is > responsible, I expect the USA to declare war on Afghanastan and Iraq. IF and only IF it can be proved that it's him, I hope they don't stop too soon, like they did last time with Irak....

In article <97pn7.34692$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... >Its easy to go out and kill some innocent and usually unarmed. Terrorists >do not want to face down a millitary that can defend themselves. Erm. Right. General idea. We have a big military. We can kill at will. Small groups wanting to not just give in need to use what is available. On a different technological level, we did so at the start of the revolutionary war. Right? Not a chance in hell. But neither is military actions against civilians. -Tim

I would park a squadron of Nukefilled B-52's just outside of Afganistan. They would have 24 hours to deliver BinLadin. The WORLD is probably very lucky those who think like I aren't in charge. dave henrie "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b9e8a61$0$6085$[email hidden]...

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> > > > > P.S. - The Taliban is largely funded by Iraq. If this is who is > > responsible, I expect the USA to declare war on Afghanastan and Iraq. > > > IF and only IF it can be proved that it's him, I hope they don't stop too > soon, like they did last time with Irak.... > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Sinjin) writes: >Looking back a Pearl Harbor - most of the US casualties were military >personnel >however when we struck back we NUKED 2 cities killing millions of families, >women, kids, etc. I doubt that when it comes times to strike back for this >attack we are going to do any kind of surgical strike. Millions? Not even CLOSE. Probably about 70,000 in one city, and 100,000 in the other. I can't remember if Hiroshima or Nagasaki was the larger of the two. Besides, thousands of innocent civilians died this morning... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

well, when you see the way those sebrs bastards made folls of EVERYBODY for years (Karadzic and mladic are still at large) the idea of "brute force" seems sometimes the best. Negociations and discussions are always the best solution, but when the other doesn't WANT to negociate or even talk, strength is the best issue. Now america has known what REAL war is, i mean a war at home like Europe has known twice in the 20th century, not making war abroad in Europe, in Korea, Vietnam or Irak... I really hope bush kicks ass. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: aFzn7.1473$[email hidden]...

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> I would park a squadron of Nukefilled B-52's just outside of Afganistan. > They would have 24 hours to deliver BinLadin. The WORLD is probably very > lucky those who think like I aren't in charge. > dave henrie > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3b9e8a61$0$6085$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > P.S. - The Taliban is largely funded by Iraq. If this is who is > > > responsible, I expect the USA to declare war on Afghanastan and Iraq. > > > > > > IF and only IF it can be proved that it's him, I hope they don't stop

too > > soon, like they did last time with Irak.... > > > > > >

It is very simple. To the people and goverment of X country. You have 24 hours to deliver Persons A B & C etc. If not..you will all be attacked. dave henrie it is not pretty, it is brutal, but it may be the only way to get results. "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b9f41ed$0$6093$[email hidden]... > well, when you see the way those sebrs bastards made folls of EVERYBODYfor

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> years (Karadzic and mladic are still at large) the idea of "brute force" > seems sometimes the best. > > Negociations and discussions are always the best solution, but when the > other doesn't WANT to negociate or even talk, strength is the best issue. > > Now america has known what REAL war is, i mean a war at home like Europe

has > known twice in the 20th century, not making war abroad in Europe, inKorea,

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> Vietnam or Irak... > > I really hope bush kicks ass. > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: > aFzn7.1473$[email hidden]... > > I would park a squadron of Nukefilled B-52's just outside of

Afganistan. > > They would have 24 hours to deliver BinLadin. The WORLD is probablyvery

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> > lucky those who think like I aren't in charge. > > dave henrie > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3b9e8a61$0$6085$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. - The Taliban is largely funded by Iraq. If this is who is > > > > responsible, I expect the USA to declare war on Afghanastan and

Iraq.

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> > > > > > > > > IF and only IF it can be proved that it's him, I hope they don't stop > too > > > soon, like they did last time with Irak.... > > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <xWKn7.2297$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > It is very simple. > To the people and goverment of X country. You have 24 hours to deliver >Persons A B & C etc. If not..you will all be attacked. >dave henrie >it is not pretty, it is brutal, but it may be the only way to get results. Isn't that the way the former Soviet Union would have responded? Notice there weren't many terrorist attacks against them. Maybe they had it right... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> > Millions? Not even CLOSE. Probably about 70,000 in one city, and 100,000in > the other. I can't remember if Hiroshima or Nagasaki was the larger ofthe > two. > > Besides, thousands of innocent civilians died this morning... > > Eldred > -- Hmm eldred... Of course what happened to the US is REALLY terrible, but you can't really compare in any terms, 170,000 dead vs 7,000 Two cities GONE vs a small (in size) part of one Diseases spreading for YEARS (skin cancer and so on...) Then you can say that there was an OFFICIAL war betwen Japan and the USA and there was not one between Bin Laden and the USA, but please don't compare things that are not really comparable... This being said I really hope you finish the job this time, not like with Saddam in 91...get the fucker and kill him.

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> in > > the other. I can't remember if Hiroshima or Nagasaki was the larger of > the > > two. > > > > Besides, thousands of innocent civilians died this morning... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Hmm eldred... > > Of course what happened to the US is REALLY terrible, but you can't really > compare in any terms, > 170,000 dead vs 7,000 > Two cities GONE vs a small (in size) part of one > Diseases spreading for YEARS (skin cancer and so on...) > > Then you can say that there was an OFFICIAL war betwen Japan and the USA

and > there was not one between Bin Laden and the USA, but please don't compare > things that are not really comparable... > > This being said I really hope you finish the job this time, not like with > Saddam in 91...get the fucker and kill him. Time warp alert! Parts of France severely affected! Several outbreaks of yesterday's news in the provinces (or Provences)! -- Tony Whitley GPLRank -0.54 MonsterRank 407 and falling... "On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss, he gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand Prix.

I was replying to eldred's post which suddenly came on top of my list.... "Tony Whitley" <[email hidden]. c o . u k> wrote in message news:9q52sb$24k$[email hidden]...

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> > "Txl" wrote... > > > > > > > > > > Millions? Not even CLOSE. Probably about 70,000 in one city, and > 100,000 > > in > > > the other. I can't remember if Hiroshima or Nagasaki was the larger

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> > the > > > two. > > > > > > Besides, thousands of innocent civilians died this morning... > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > > Hmm eldred... > > > > Of course what happened to the US is REALLY terrible, but you can't

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> > compare in any terms, > > 170,000 dead vs 7,000 > > Two cities GONE vs a small (in size) part of one > > Diseases spreading for YEARS (skin cancer and so on...) > > > > Then you can say that there was an OFFICIAL war betwen Japan and the USA > and > > there was not one between Bin Laden and the USA, but please don't

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> > Saddam in 91...get the fucker and kill him. > > Time warp alert! Parts of France severely affected! Several outbreaks of > yesterday's news in the provinces (or Provences)! > > -- > > Tony Whitley > GPLRank -0.54 > MonsterRank 407 and falling... > "On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss,

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> gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand > Prix. > > > > >

> This being said I really hope you finish the job this time, not like with > Saddam in 91...get the fucker and kill him. The job WAS finnished in '91. It was never the coalitions intent to remove Saddam from power. It was to free Kuwait and that was done. -Tim

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>> >> Millions? Not even CLOSE. Probably about 70,000 in one city, and 100,000 >in >> the other. I can't remember if Hiroshima or Nagasaki was the larger of >the >> two. >> >> Besides, thousands of innocent civilians died this morning... >> >> Eldred >> -- > >Hmm eldred... > >Of course what happened to the US is REALLY terrible, but you can't really >compare in any terms, >170,000 dead vs 7,000 >Two cities GONE vs a small (in size) part of one >Diseases spreading for YEARS (skin cancer and so on...) > >Then you can say that there was an OFFICIAL war betwen Japan and the USA and >there was not one between Bin Laden and the USA, but please don't compare >things that are not really comparable... > >This being said I really hope you finish the job this time, not like with >Saddam in 91...get the fucker and kill him.

I don't know why I'm just now seeing this reply...I must be further behind than I thought. And, I've forgotten the discussion. But, I *think* I was just refuting a claim that millions died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And that we were also at war at the time(which you've alluded to). I was in no way equating the amount of damage or lives lost. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Txl <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3bc5fed6$0$206$[email hidden]...

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> Hmm eldred... > > Of course what happened to the US is REALLY terrible, but you can't really > compare in any terms, > 170,000 dead vs 7,000 > Two cities GONE vs a small (in size) part of one > Diseases spreading for YEARS (skin cancer and so on...)

Anyone know what Truman's alternative was. In the end those bombs save US soldiers lives, and well that is the job of the US president. > > Then you can say that there was an OFFICIAL war betwen Japan and the USAand > there was not one between Bin Laden and the USA, but please don't compare > things that are not really comparable... bin Ladin feels there is a war between the USA and him. He has declared it several times. > > This being said I really hope you finish the job this time, not like with > Saddam in 91...get the fucker and kill him. > >I completely agree on that one. Rid the world of him and his al Qaeda. Dave