GP3 2000 problems... HELP

I'm trying to run GP3 2000 and it works fine... unless you want to race more than once. If you try to race after you've finished a race the track loads and the screen flicks to the graphics mode and stays black. The computer needs to be reset. I've got Win98, 256Mb Ram, P3 533, Hercules Prophet Ultra II and a SoundBlaster Live!. I've got the most upto date drivers for the hardware and I am running DX8. I've checked the computer is not overheating and it is running very cool. This is the first game I've had problems with so far. Looking through the readme on the disk it does not say it supports my 3D card. Is there anything I can do? If anybody has any ideas - pleeeeeaaase haylp! Cheers, Nathan *** www.band-name.co.uk - Very Strange ***

> This is the first game I've had problems with so far. Looking through > the readme on the disk it does not say it supports my 3D card. Is > there anything I can do? > > If anybody has any ideas - pleeeeeaaase haylp! >You know what ? If I was enough of a mug to go out and pay �14.99 for something that should and could have been released as a patch, I would surely be able to help you. Sorry.

Sorry, can't help you there. Runs fine on my system (Athlon 1.4ghz, v3 3000, win98se, sblive) Was gp3 working properly before you installed the season 2000 update? Rafe Mc On 15 Sep 2001 12:09:00 -0700, [email hidden] (Nathan Nicholson) wrote:

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>I'm trying to run GP3 2000 and it works fine... unless you want to >race more than once. If you try to race after you've finished a race >the track loads and the screen flicks to the graphics mode and stays >black. The computer needs to be reset. > >I've got Win98, 256Mb Ram, P3 533, Hercules Prophet Ultra II and a >SoundBlaster Live!. I've got the most upto date drivers for the >hardware and I am running DX8. > >I've checked the computer is not overheating and it is running very >cool. > >This is the first game I've had problems with so far. Looking through >the readme on the disk it does not say it supports my 3D card. Is >there anything I can do? > >If anybody has any ideas - pleeeeeaaase haylp! > >Cheers, > >Nathan > >*** www.band-name.co.uk - Very Strange ***

> Was gp3 working properly before you installed the season 2000 update? > Working like a charm. Along with loads of other games. This is the first time I've had any problems with anything. It may not sound like it but I do have a good idea of what I'm doing. The crash is obviously to do with the graphics card (I've pretty much ruled out everything else) and I've tried everything I can (slowing down performance, updating drivers, tweaking settings, etc). And, redTed. "You know what ? If I was enough of a mug to go out and pay �14.99 for something that should and could have been released as a patch, I would surely be able to help you. Sorry..." Thanks for that...

"> And, redTed. "You know what ? If I was enough of a mug to go out and > pay �14.99 for > something that should and could have been released as a patch, I would > surely be able to help you. Sorry..." > > Thanks for that... Sorry about that. I just saw it in the shops the other day and was a little bitter at the thought of paying again for something that I already paid for. I should really have taken it out on the publisher. Won't happen again, until they bring out the F1RC update !

So you don't buy 'updates' - even if they are amazingly good? A strange attitude. I presume then you didn't buy ICR2, N2, N3, N4, GP2, GP3, GP3 2000, F1CS, MGPRS2.......... and many other 'updates'. I presume you also will not be buying F1 2001, F1RC2, GP4, and all the other up and coming 'updates'! Iain "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9o2k9a$ajmum$[email hidden]...

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> > "> And, redTed. "You know what ? If I was enough of a mug to go out and > > pay �14.99 for > > something that should and could have been released as a patch, I would > > surely be able to help you. Sorry..." > > > > Thanks for that... > > Sorry about that. > I just saw it in the shops the other day and was a little bitter at the > thought of paying again for something that I already paid for. I should > really have taken it out on the publisher. > > Won't happen again, until they bring out the F1RC update ! > >

"Iain Mackenzie" wrote > So you don't buy 'updates' - even if they are amazingly good? A strange > attitude. I presume then you didn't buy ICR2, N2, N3, N4, GP2, GP3, GP3 > 2000, F1CS, MGPRS2.......... and many other 'updates'. I presume you also > will not be buying F1 2001, F1RC2, GP4, and all the other up and coming > 'updates'! > Iain Yes Iain, I find the "not prepared to pay for something that _should_ have been included" attitude hard to understand. How do we determine what should be included a product for sale on the open market? We can specify what we want for sure. Car manufacturers will respond to the public desires by constantly updating & improving their models, but not retrospectively for purchasers of previous models. Dear Mr Rickard, come & have air con fitted for nothing as we include it on the standard model now. Oh, and we have updated the suspension as well following customer feedback, bring it in... Why should enhancements be free? Sure if the there were major faults a patch is good PR. Otherwise we have to wait for full releases every few years. Personally I quite liked the ICR1 approach. Early release with 8 tracks. Add a track expansion pack, add the Indy 500 as an add-on once the licensing was sorted and it was ready, with the paint kit chucked in as well. Each release offers the chance to include any patches in the meantime. Ok, this was before the days of the third party add ons we get today that address the paintkit stuff and common availability of patches via the internet, but it still allowed a steady enhancement path for the game. I'd rather get frequent updates than wait for massive releases, but I guess I'm just impatient. Cheers Tony

"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Iain Mackenzie" wrote > > > So you don't buy 'updates' - even if they are amazingly good? A strange > > attitude. I presume then you didn't buy ICR2, N2, N3, N4, GP2, GP3, GP3 > > 2000, F1CS, MGPRS2.......... and many other 'updates'. I presume youalso > > will not be buying F1 2001, F1RC2, GP4, and all the other up and coming > > 'updates'! > > Iain Nascar2, 3 and 4 were add-ons ? I never knew that. Cheers. I won't be buying F1RC2. Correct. I didn't buy F1CS. If you want to encourage developers and publishers to release bug ridden games, you're going about it the right way. Sequels and add-ons are a little different, don't you think ?

Actually, I think you'll find that I didn't ever use the term 'add-ons', I used your term 'update' - subtle difference. I think you'll find that most of the sims we all use and talk about have contained various bugs and usually several patched are released to address these problems. So you didn't buy F1CS, well, that was a mistake as it was a big leap forward from F12K. I deduce then that you bought everything else on the list. in that case then clearly you do buy 'updates'. Iain "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9o36pc$ahabq$[email hidden]...

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> > "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" wrote > > > > > So you don't buy 'updates' - even if they are amazingly good? A

strange > > > attitude. I presume then you didn't buy ICR2, N2, N3, N4, GP2, GP3,GP3 > > > 2000, F1CS, MGPRS2.......... and many other 'updates'. I presume you > also > > > will not be buying F1 2001, F1RC2, GP4, and all the other up andcoming

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> > > 'updates'! > > > Iain > > Nascar2, 3 and 4 were add-ons ? I never knew that. Cheers. > I won't be buying F1RC2. Correct. > I didn't buy F1CS. > If you want to encourage developers and publishers to release bug ridden > games, you're going about it the right way. > > Sequels and add-ons are a little different, don't you think ? > > > >

FWIW, I think all of the "updates" you mentioned were all well worth the money. But I'm with RedTed, the gp3 2000 update is more of a patch to a buggy release than a new release. GP4 is what we should all be paying our money for when released - apparently ;-) Rafe Mc On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:17:10 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Actually, I think you'll find that I didn't ever use the term 'add-ons', I >used your term 'update' - subtle difference. >I think you'll find that most of the sims we all use and talk about have >contained various bugs and usually several patched are released to address >these problems. >So you didn't buy F1CS, well, that was a mistake as it was a big leap >forward from F12K. I deduce then that you bought everything else on the >list. in that case then clearly you do buy 'updates'. >Iain > > >"redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:9o36pc$ahabq$[email hidden]... >> >> "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > >> > "Iain Mackenzie" wrote >> > >> > > So you don't buy 'updates' - even if they are amazingly good? A >strange >> > > attitude. I presume then you didn't buy ICR2, N2, N3, N4, GP2, GP3, >GP3 >> > > 2000, F1CS, MGPRS2.......... and many other 'updates'. I presume you >> also >> > > will not be buying F1 2001, F1RC2, GP4, and all the other up and >coming >> > > 'updates'! >> > > Iain >> >> Nascar2, 3 and 4 were add-ons ? I never knew that. Cheers. >> I won't be buying F1RC2. Correct. >> I didn't buy F1CS. >> If you want to encourage developers and publishers to release bug ridden >> games, you're going about it the right way. >> >> Sequels and add-ons are a little different, don't you think ? >> >> >> >> >

Let's hope so! Iain "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> FWIW, I think all of the "updates" you mentioned were all well worth > the money. But I'm with RedTed, the gp3 2000 update is more of a patch > to a buggy release than a new release. > > GP4 is what we should all be paying our money for when released - > apparently ;-) > > Rafe Mc > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:17:10 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Actually, I think you'll find that I didn't ever use the term 'add-ons',

I > >used your term 'update' - subtle difference. > >I think you'll find that most of the sims we all use and talk about have > >contained various bugs and usually several patched are released toaddress

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> >these problems. > >So you didn't buy F1CS, well, that was a mistake as it was a big leap > >forward from F12K. I deduce then that you bought everything else on the > >list. in that case then clearly you do buy 'updates'. > >Iain > > > > > >"redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:9o36pc$ahabq$[email hidden]... > >> > >> "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:[email hidden]... > >> > > >> > "Iain Mackenzie" wrote > >> > > >> > > So you don't buy 'updates' - even if they are amazingly good? A > >strange > >> > > attitude. I presume then you didn't buy ICR2, N2, N3, N4, GP2,

GP3, > >GP3 > >> > > 2000, F1CS, MGPRS2.......... and many other 'updates'. I presumeyou

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> >> also > >> > > will not be buying F1 2001, F1RC2, GP4, and all the other up and > >coming > >> > > 'updates'! > >> > > Iain > >> > >> Nascar2, 3 and 4 were add-ons ? I never knew that. Cheers. > >> I won't be buying F1RC2. Correct. > >> I didn't buy F1CS. > >> If you want to encourage developers and publishers to release bug

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> >> games, you're going about it the right way. > >> > >> Sequels and add-ons are a little different, don't you think ? > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Px9p7.11489$[email hidden]...

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> Actually, I think you'll find that I didn't ever use the term 'add-ons', I > used your term 'update' - subtle difference. > I think you'll find that most of the sims we all use and talk about have > contained various bugs and usually several patched are released to address > these problems. > So you didn't buy F1CS, well, that was a mistake as it was a big leap > forward from F12K. I deduce then that you bought everything else on the > list. in that case then clearly you do buy 'updates'. > Iain

You assume right, I did buy everything else on the list. I didn't get F1CS because I was quite happy with the first one. I would like to know what the major improvements were. I might just pick that one up. As for the updates/add-ons, whatever we are calling them. If they work without needing the original game, then that's quite ok by me. From what I've been told you still need the original GP3 to use the update. That's a rip-off in my book.

>I've been told you still need the original GP3 to use the update. That's a >rip-off in my book. >I believe there's both a stand-alone and an upgrade version, but it may differ with different countries. Rafe Mc

"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > >I've been told you still need the original GP3 to use the update. That'sa > >rip-off in my book. > > > I believe there's both a stand-alone and an upgrade version, but it > may differ with different countries. Even if not, I don't see the rip-off. Here for example the Dutch prices: GP3 1 year ago: dfl 99,- GP3 now: dfl 25,- or less GP3 2000 Season: dfl 50,- So even if one has to buy both, still only dfl 75,- Less than the original 1 year ago, and the sim has been updated in a number of areas. Dfl 75,- is also less than is charged for most new games, which is fair since GP3 2000 is not entirely new. Btw, the original GP3 is only needed during install of GP3 2000 Season, not everytime it is used. Bart Westra

On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:26:15 +0200, "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Btw, the original GP3 is only needed during install of GP3 2000 Season, not >everytime it is used. > >Bart Westra Every 5th time I start GP3 2000 I have to insert the original GP3 cd again. Quite annoying :( Andre

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:26:15 +0200, "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Btw, the original GP3 is only needed during install of GP3 2000 Season,not > >everytime it is used. > > > >Bart Westra > > Every 5th time I start GP3 2000 I have to insert the original GP3 cd > again. Quite annoying :( Cannot confirm that Andre. Just started it 5 times, plus some other times today and yesterday and it did not ask for the GP3 cd except during installation. (I do need the GP3 2000 Season cd in the drive, but I did not yet look for a no cd patch.) Bart

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> >"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:26:15 +0200, "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >Btw, the original GP3 is only needed during install of GP3 2000 Season, >not >> >everytime it is used. >> > >> >Bart Westra >> >> Every 5th time I start GP3 2000 I have to insert the original GP3 cd >> again. Quite annoying :( > >Cannot confirm that Andre. Just started it 5 times, plus some other times >today and yesterday and it did not ask for the GP3 cd except during >installation. (I do need the GP3 2000 Season cd in the drive, but I did not >yet look for a no cd patch.) >

It's happened to me once too. It was after more than five times though and it hasn't happened since, must be a random thing. -- Sean Black

It's definitely random, but it does ask for the GP3 CD from time to time. Iain "Sean Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <9o8frs$fgf$[email hidden]>, Bart Westra > <[email hidden]> writes > > > >"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> > >> On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:26:15 +0200, "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Btw, the original GP3 is only needed during install of GP3 2000

Season,

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> >not > >> >everytime it is used. > >> > > >> >Bart Westra > >> > >> Every 5th time I start GP3 2000 I have to insert the original GP3 cd > >> again. Quite annoying :( > > > >Cannot confirm that Andre. Just started it 5 times, plus some other times > >today and yesterday and it did not ask for the GP3 cd except during > >installation. (I do need the GP3 2000 Season cd in the drive, but I did

not > >yet look for a no cd patch.) > > > It's happened to me once too. It was after more than five times though > and it hasn't happened since, must be a random thing. > -- > Sean Black

> It's happened to me once too. It was after more than five times though > and it hasn't happened since, must be a random thing. It does it on my UK version to. Completely randomly unless I can't find the GP3 disk - it wants it every time then ;-) *** www.band-name.co.uk - nothing to do with anything ***

You should just install the NOCD patch to avoid the hassle. www.gamecopyworld.com Rafe Mc On 19 Sep 2001 12:50:11 -0700, [email hidden] (Nathan Nicholson) wrote:

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>> It's happened to me once too. It was after more than five times though >> and it hasn't happened since, must be a random thing. > >It does it on my UK version to. Completely randomly unless I can't >find the GP3 disk - it wants it every time then ;-) > >*** www.band-name.co.uk - nothing to do with anything ***

That avoids the need for the 2000 CD, but it still asks at random for the original GP3 CD. Maybe only every 20 loads for me. Iain "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> You should just install the NOCD patch to avoid the hassle. > www.gamecopyworld.com > > Rafe Mc > > > On 19 Sep 2001 12:50:11 -0700, [email hidden] (Nathan > Nicholson) wrote: > > >> It's happened to me once too. It was after more than five times though > >> and it hasn't happened since, must be a random thing. > > > >It does it on my UK version to. Completely randomly unless I can't > >find the GP3 disk - it wants it every time then ;-) > > > >*** www.band-name.co.uk - nothing to do with anything *** >