Lat nights Senna Ch4 program

I hope a lot of you watched this program about the crash in May 94, haven been into F1 since 84, and even more so a Fan of Senna i found it interesting about the way they translated the data from the logging system to explain what happened. I think most people come to understand that the steering colum hadn`t broking but because of the fact the suspension pecied his helmet made a bad accident 100x worse.... What was odd was though... that employes of the TV station at the time said they had the footage going all the way into the wall..... but when it went to court they said they didn`t...? I won`t feel any better if i did see the footage, but the computer simulation of the Williams car looked good..... The film thats being wrote at the min..seems that it will be realeased in 2004 which makes it good for tens years on.. and i hope it reflects more on his desire to win at all costs.. even from a young boy racing down his street in brazil on his go cart... When i was about 4 years old.. i used to race down a road near where i lived called " cowlane " it was about1/2 a mile long... and had an incline of about 60feet.. so it was very step and very fast... many a time i crashed my go-kart or rolled or a wheel feel off or i would fly over a friend, but many a times i would win... and thoses 1 min runs... gave me a little taste of speed..something which i have never lost, but also only a fraction of what senna had and gave back to the world... I loved him as a racer, and miss him still to this day, i will never ever forget ! Thank you forever !

*** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeeds.com *** > I hope a lot of you watched this program about the crash in May 94, haven > been into F1 since 84, and even more so a Fan of Senna i found it > interesting about the way they translated the data from the logging system > to explain what happened. I think most people come to understand that the > steering colum hadn`t broking but because of the fact the suspensionpecied > his helmet made a bad accident 100x worse.... > What was odd was though... that employes of the TV station at the timesaid > they had the footage going all the way into the wall..... but when it went > to court they said they didn`t...? > I won`t feel any better if i did see the footage, but the computer > simulation of the Williams car looked good..... > The film thats being wrote at the min..seems that it will be realeased in > 2004 which makes it good for tens years on.. and i hope it reflects moreon > his desire to win at all costs.. even from a young boy racing down his > street in brazil on his go cart... > When i was about 4 years old.. i used to race down a road near where ilived > called " cowlane " it was about1/2 a mile long... and had an incline of > about 60feet.. so it was very step and very fast... many a time i crashedmy > go-kart or rolled or a wheel feel off or i would fly over a friend, butmany > a times i would win... and thoses 1 min runs... gave me a little taste of > speed..something which i have never lost, but also only a fraction of what > senna had and gave back to the world... > I loved him as a racer, and miss him still to this day, i will never ever > forget ! > Thank you forever ! Not much I can add to that, his desire was what captured me. It's a pity you didn't post yesterday so I knew it was on :-( Andy -- PC-Based Multimedia System http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pcbmms NB: Spamtrap - do the obvious -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 90,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

In article <9os23h$s0i$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I think most people come to understand that the > steering colum hadn`t broking but because of the fact the suspension pecied > his helmet made a bad accident 100x worse.... People keep publishing this myth. Senna died when the wheel struck his helmet and inflicted severe brain injury. There was no penetration by any suspension parts. - MichaelJP

That was always my understanding of the cause of his untimely death MP. (tire, not parts) MP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <9os23h$s0i$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > I think most people come to understand that the > > steering colum hadn`t broking but because of the fact the suspensionpecied

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> > his helmet made a bad accident 100x worse.... > > People keep publishing this myth. Senna died when the wheel struck his > helmet and inflicted severe brain injury. There was no penetration by > any suspension parts. > > - MichaelJP

Then I guess you guys haven't seen the pictures of his helmet with the hole in it? How about the blood on the side of the car? Senna *did not* die of blunt force trauma (ie, tire), he died because a suspension arm, still attached to the wheel, penetrated his helmet (and his skull) above the right eye. This is stated in so many different sources, I can't believe you're calling it a myth............ "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XQns7.48752$[email hidden]...

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> That was always my understanding of the cause of his untimely death MP. > (tire, not parts) > > > MP <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <9os23h$s0i$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > I think most people come to understand that the > > > steering colum hadn`t broking but because of the fact the suspension > pecied > > > his helmet made a bad accident 100x worse.... > > > > People keep publishing this myth. Senna died when the wheel struck his > > helmet and inflicted severe brain injury. There was no penetration by > > any suspension parts. > > > > - MichaelJP > >

Hence him being listed as brain dead when they pulled the plug on him...it is a fact, horrible, but it is a fact. -Stuart Becktell "Rick Baumhauer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pWws7.449$[email hidden]... > Then I guess you guys haven't seen the pictures of his helmet with thehole > in it? How about the blood on the side of the car? Senna *did not* dieof > blunt force trauma (ie, tire), he died because a suspension arm, still > attached to the wheel, penetrated his helmet (and his skull) above theright

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> eye. This is stated in so many different sources, I can't believe you're > calling it a myth............ > > > "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:XQns7.48752$[email hidden]... > > That was always my understanding of the cause of his untimely death MP. > > (tire, not parts) > > > > > > MP <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <9os23h$s0i$[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] says... > > > > I think most people come to understand that the > > > > steering colum hadn`t broking but because of the fact the suspension > > pecied > > > > his helmet made a bad accident 100x worse.... > > > > > > People keep publishing this myth. Senna died when the wheel struck his > > > helmet and inflicted severe brain injury. There was no penetration by > > > any suspension parts. > > > > > > - MichaelJP > > > > > >

On the program they explicitly said that it was the tyre that killed him. I've always understood that it was the suspension arm. Doesn't anyone have a URL for the autopsy photos so we can settle this... "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8mxs7.550445$[email hidden]...

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> Hence him being listed as brain dead when they pulled the plug on him...it > is a fact, horrible, but it is a fact. > -Stuart Becktell > "Rick Baumhauer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:pWws7.449$[email hidden]... > > Then I guess you guys haven't seen the pictures of his helmet with the > hole > > in it? How about the blood on the side of the car? Senna *did not* die > of > > blunt force trauma (ie, tire), he died because a suspension arm, still > > attached to the wheel, penetrated his helmet (and his skull) above the > right > > eye. This is stated in so many different sources, I can't believe

you're > > calling it a myth............ > > > > > > "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:XQns7.48752$[email hidden]... > > > That was always my understanding of the cause of his untimely deathMP.

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> > > (tire, not parts) > > > > > > > > > MP <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > In article <9os23h$s0i$[email hidden]>, > > > > [email hidden] says... > > > > > I think most people come to understand that the > > > > > steering colum hadn`t broking but because of the fact the

suspension > > > pecied > > > > > his helmet made a bad accident 100x worse.... > > > > > > > > People keep publishing this myth. Senna died when the wheel struckhis > > > > helmet and inflicted severe brain injury. There was no penetrationby

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> > > > any suspension parts. > > > > > > > > - MichaelJP > > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <9p2elm$395$[email hidden]>, "Tony Whitley" <[email hidden]. c o . u k> writes: >On the program they explicitly said that it was the tyre that killed him. >I've always understood that it was the suspension arm. Doesn't anyone have a >URL for the autopsy photos so we can settle this... This is the first time I've even SEEN someone say the tire killed him. I didn't know the program was on either... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred, It was a bit outside our viewing area - UK only :^) And as I've explained elsewhere, the confusion stems from a seeming contradiction between "the tire hit him in the head" and "a piece of suspension penentrated his helmet". However, there is no contradiction when you realize that both things happened - the tire did hit him, and a piece of suspension *attached to the tire/wheel/hub assembly* penetrated his helmet, with all of that weight and force behind it. Whether the tire (by itself, without the helmet penetration) would have killed him anyways, I don't know, but I have seen a number of references to his skull being crushed above the right eyebrow, corresponding to the location of the hole in his helmet. Rick "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <9p2elm$395$[email hidden]>, "Tony Whitley" > <[email hidden]. c o . u k> writes: > > >On the program they explicitly said that it was the tyre that killed him. > >I've always understood that it was the suspension arm. Doesn't anyonehave a > >URL for the autopsy photos so we can settle this... > > This is the first time I've even SEEN someone say the tire killed him. I > didn't know the program was on either... :( > > Eldred

http://www.a-senna.com/Death/ "Rick Baumhauer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajZt7.3033$[email hidden]...

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> Eldred, > > It was a bit outside our viewing area - UK only :^) > > And as I've explained elsewhere, the confusion stems from a seeming > contradiction between "the tire hit him in the head" and "a piece of > suspension penentrated his helmet". However, there is no contradiction

when > you realize that both things happened - the tire did hit him, and a pieceof > suspension *attached to the tire/wheel/hub assembly* penetrated hishelmet, > with all of that weight and force behind it. > > Whether the tire (by itself, without the helmet penetration) would have > killed him anyways, I don't know, but I have seen a number of referencesto

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> his skull being crushed above the right eyebrow, corresponding to the > location of the hole in his helmet. > > Rick > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <9p2elm$395$[email hidden]>, "Tony Whitley" > > <[email hidden]. c o . u k> writes: > > > > >On the program they explicitly said that it was the tyre that killed

him. > > >I've always understood that it was the suspension arm. Doesn't anyone > have a > > >URL for the autopsy photos so we can settle this... > > > > This is the first time I've even SEEN someone say the tire killed him.I > > didn't know the program was on either... :( > > > > Eldred > > >

Ayrton Senna Dies After Crash; Peerless Racing King Was 34 By JOSEPH SIANO THE NEW YORK TIMES NEWSPAPER, MONDAY, MAY 2, 1994 Ayrton Senna, a Brazilian whose laser-like focus on driving race cars made him a three-time Formula One world champion, died yesterday after a crash during the Sam Marino Grand Prix in Imola, Italy. Senna, 34 years old, died of multiple skull fractures in a hospital in a Bologna, Italy, hours after his race car veered off the Ferrari Autodrome at almost 200 miles an hour and struck a concrete wall almost head on. The cause of the accident was not immediately known. Ayrton Senna da Silva was born in S�o Paulo, Brazil, on March 21, 1960, and divided his time between homes there and in Monte Carlo, Monaco. He began his career in kart racing as a youth, eventually rising to auto racing's highest level, the international Grand Prix circuit, in 1984. He won the circuit's world championship in 1988, 1990 and 1991. He was considered the world's best driver at the time of his death. Possibly the Greatest He started 65 Formula One races on the pole position, the coveted spot at the head of the field reserved for the driver who had the fastest qualifying times for the race. His total was a record, and his 41 Grand Prix victories was second only to the 51 victories of Alain Prost of France. "He might have been the greatest driver of all time," said Michael Andretti, who was Senna's Formula One teammate last year. "There was not a weakness in Ayrton Senna." Michael Kranefuss, the head of Ford Motor Company's international racing activities, recalled yesterday watching Senna during a Monaco Grand Prix practice a few years ago, going against such great rivals and fellow world champions as Nelson Piquet, Niki Lauda and Prost. "It was like you were watching photographers," Mr. Kranefuss said of Senna's rivals, "and then you were watching a painting done by Michelangelo." His success, built on an uncompromising approach in which he demanded everything of his self and those who designed and built his race cars, made him one of the highest-paid athletes in the world. His annual salary the past few years was generally thought to be above $10 million, with commercial endorsement deals adding much more. In his native Brazil, he was a hero of the same stature as the soccer star Pel�. "I think that just about everything can be improved," Senna said in an article in The New York Times in March 1991. "I think as the time goes by you have to exploit your own limits and the machine's limits." Even when he thought he was at his limits, he said, "Perhaps if I try again, if I concentrate even more, focus on that single thing, I might be able to go further." Preferred No Publicity But success and wealth - combined with the nasty politics of the Formula One circuit and the oppressive news media focus it received - eventually made Senna more reclusive and less revealing. "I think he was a more relaxed person than he became after his success," said Raul Boesel, a fellow Brazilian now racing in the United States. Besides being the target of an unsuccessful kidnap plot in Brazil a few years ago, Senna shut himself off from the news media and other non-racing outsiders because of intense conflicts with other drivers, most notably Prost. In 1989 and 1990, they took turns edging one another for the world championship - Prost won in '89 and Senna in '90 - and had a collision with each other in the final race each year. "He was very intimidating," Mr. Kranefuss said of Senna's driving style. "On the race track, he was not always a nice guy." A Study in Concentretion The worldwide news media attention surrounding Senna's encounters with Prost - along with run-ins with Piquet - made him keep to himself on race weekends so he would not loose the concentration that lifted him into a near-translucent state when he got behind the wheel. "Ayrton was the most misunderstood person out there because he got such a bad rap in the media," Andretti said yesterday. "I can assure you he was a good person. He was very supportive of me last year." Mr. Kranefuss said, "He was very loyal to people who helped him early in his career." Senna was aware of his image as being difficult (he did speak to reporters more often than Prost), but was willing to accept it in order to win "In our activity, unfortunately, there is a lot of ego and confrontation," he told The Times. "That is not good for making friends." His response to bad press was always the same: focus on driving. "My choice is simply to do what I believe is right according to my mind and heart," he said. "Choosing that, you are bound to make some difficult relationships." Senna is survived by his parents, of Tatui, Brazil, 70 miles away from S�o Paulo.