What? No F1 Bashing on R.A.S. ?????

I must have logged-on to the wrong newsgroup? This can't be r.a.s., at least not the r.a.s. that I was trying to log-on to! It has been more than 24-hours since the USGP F1 race....and there's been no "F1 bashing" here? This must be the wrong r.a.s.! Dang, has my ISP messed up their newsgroup servers again? Crap.... Tom

I was just waiting for folks to write about that great pass Mika made to take the lead.....err he DID pass somebody for the lead right? dave henrie "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jtau7.677$[email hidden]...

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> I must have logged-on to the wrong newsgroup? This can't be r.a.s., at > least not the r.a.s. that I was trying to log-on to! It has been more > than 24-hours since the USGP F1 race....and there's been no "F1 bashing" > here? This must be the wrong r.a.s.! Dang, has my ISP messed up their > newsgroup servers again? > > Crap.... > > Tom

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jtau7.677$[email hidden]... : I must have logged-on to the wrong newsgroup? This can't be r.a.s., at : least not the r.a.s. that I was trying to log-on to! It has been more : than 24-hours since the USGP F1 race....and there's been no "F1 bashing" : here? Maybe we haven't woken up yet? Yawn... is it done yet... :-) Dale.

In article <jtau7.677$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I must have logged-on to the wrong newsgroup? This can't be r.a.s., at > least not the r.a.s. that I was trying to log-on to! It has been more > than 24-hours since the USGP F1 race....and there's been no "F1 bashing" > here? This must be the wrong r.a.s.! Dang, has my ISP messed up their > newsgroup servers again? OK, I'll bite - the cars sounded absolutely pathetic through the infield section with the traction control kicking in repeatedly. The rasping sound of automotive flatulence echoed through the mighty speedway.... Remove wings, bring back slicks, and ban TC and other driver aids. Agreed? - MichaelJP

"MP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : : Remove wings, bring back slicks, and ban TC and other driver aids. : And build a real track for the USGP... or use a existing track like Road America. The Indy circuit is *so* uninteresting. It even sucks to drive it in a sim. Dale.

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> : > : Remove wings, bring back slicks, and ban TC and other driver aids. > : > > And build a real track for the USGP... or use a existing track like Road > America. The Indy circuit is *so* uninteresting. It even sucks to drive it > in a sim.

Good idea - US GP East at Road America, US GP West at Laguna Seca. - MichaelJP

On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:53:13 -0700, "Dale Green" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"MP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >: >: Remove wings, bring back slicks, and ban TC and other driver aids. >: > >And build a real track for the USGP... or use a existing track like Road >America. The Indy circuit is *so* uninteresting. It even sucks to drive it >in a sim.

It's a bit tight and twisty for my money, but I don't think they did too bad. They're never going to run on an oval, so it's not a bad compromise. Rafe Mc

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> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:53:13 -0700, "Dale Green" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >"MP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >: > >: Remove wings, bring back slicks, and ban TC and other driver aids. > >: > > > >And build a real track for the USGP... or use a existing track like Road > >America. The Indy circuit is *so* uninteresting. It even sucks to drive it > >in a sim. > > It's a bit tight and twisty for my money, but I don't think they did > too bad. They're never going to run on an oval, so it's not a bad > compromise.

Yeah, I actually think the oval part of the track is one of the cooler parts of all the tracks in the calendar. It's so cool to watch onboard footage when the revs just keeps going and going and going and going, shift up to 7th, and going and going and going and heavy braking. :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

Well, I just loved how ABC covered the race.........................NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Todd "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jtau7.677$[email hidden]...

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> I must have logged-on to the wrong newsgroup? This can't be r.a.s., at > least not the r.a.s. that I was trying to log-on to! It has been more > than 24-hours since the USGP F1 race....and there's been no "F1 bashing" > here? This must be the wrong r.a.s.! Dang, has my ISP messed up their > newsgroup servers again? > > Crap.... > > Tom > > > >

Is Tom P trying to stur the local natives up? I wonder? Hmmmm? :)~ "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jtau7.677$[email hidden]...

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> OK, I'll bite - the cars sounded absolutely pathetic through the infield > section with the traction control kicking in repeatedly. The rasping > sound of automotive flatulence echoed through the mighty speedway.... Yes... Completely ugly. The Porsches were more fun to watch off of T7 than the F1 rides. But... Yes the infield portion of the track is a drag and could use a few changes and an extra mile, but I see more passes coming off of the long frontstretch than I see anywhere else at other GPs. Go Juan! Warlock!

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> > > Remove wings, bring back slicks, and ban TC and other driver aids. > > Agreed? > > - MichaelJP

It was the best nap I've had in weeks. -- don ------------------------------------------------------- BAPOM Alternative Program Covers for GPL http://www.trilon.com/bapom/ "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jtau7.677$[email hidden]... > I must have logged-on to the wrong newsgroup? This can't be r.a.s., at > least not the r.a.s. that I was trying to log-on to! It has been more > than 24-hours since the USGP F1 race....and there's been no "F1 bashing" > here? This must be the wrong r.a.s.! Dang, has my ISP messed up their > newsgroup servers again? > > Crap.... > > Tom > > > >

Don.... How could you sleep with all that "real racing" going on in Kansas over on NBC.....huh? And, while we are on the topic........ a. Neilson released its viewing-share figures this morning........the NASCAR telecast "TV commercials" had a higher viewing-share than the entire F1 race. I guess we just aren't sophisticated enough here in the USA to appreciate real pace lapping....ah, errr....I mean, real racing? b. How did Ferrari manage to lose? I can't seem to find any reference to this phenomenon, anywhere! c. Why were there only 22 cars? Could F1 manage to bring a full-race-field next year.....maybe? Where were the rest of the F1 teams and cars? d. Why does F1.....with the "greatest drivers in the world".....need traction control, launch control, etc.? e. The great "Shu" quotes from the USGP weekend (paraphrased): 1. "We enter the oval at such a low speed that the car never comes close to its limits, its basically a rest and relax period of the lap around Indy." 2. On the same weekend he also says, "There's too little grip on the infield portion of the track. With little rubber laid down, the tight corners and slow speeds.....our traction control and downforce are not useful. We actually have to drive the race car during that portion of the lap and its very disconcerting, to say the least." You have got to be kidding me or something? This...is what comes out of the mouth of the driver, some say...is the greatest F1 driver of all time? Jimmy Clark and others must be turning over in their graves! I would like to make a hypothetical wager: "Give "Shu Baby" the finest simulation equipment in the world.....and 48-hours to practice in it running GPL. Then, pit him against any VROC driver chosen at random from the VROC chat room.....at any GPL track chosen at random." Shu will lose 90% of the time! VROC has the best drivers in the world......certainly not F1. However, all of this is just my opinion. Regards, Tom

Bring those turkeys to Dega...THAT I'd watch :) Parke C. Talladega, AL "Big and Bold" "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jtau7.677$[email hidden]...

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> I must have logged-on to the wrong newsgroup? This can't be r.a.s., at > least not the r.a.s. that I was trying to log-on to! It has been more > than 24-hours since the USGP F1 race....and there's been no "F1 bashing" > here? This must be the wrong r.a.s.! Dang, has my ISP messed up their > newsgroup servers again? > > Crap.... > > Tom > > > >

"Tom Pabst" wrote... > Don.... > > How could you sleep with all that "real racing" going on > in Kansas over on NBC.....huh? Not telecast live here...

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> And, while we are on the topic........ > > a. Neilson released its viewing-share figures this morning..... > ...the NASCAR telecast "TV commercials" had a higher viewing- > share than the entire F1 race. I guess we just aren't > sophisticated enough here in the USA to appreciate real pace > lapping....ah, errr....I mean, real racing?

No comment, just that Indy wasn't the worst of the season, at least there is one high-speed stretch into tightish corner left. Most tracks have now been modified in order to be void of overtaking opportunities. ;-( > b. How did Ferrari manage to lose? I can't seem to find any > reference to this phenomenon, anywhere! 1) Barichello got held up after his 1st stop. 2) His engine broke in an attempt to make up for that near the end. 3) Mika got passed MS by staying out longer and putting in a couple quick laps before pitting (I think). > c. Why were there only 22 cars? Could F1 manage to bring a > full-race-field next year.....maybe? Where were the rest of > the F1 teams and cars? There are only 22 F1 cars (11 teams). The FIA put their foot down after a period where more teams were allowed and some of them "embarrassed the sport" by going bankrupt. Now one needs a totally ridiculous amount of kapital and budget to be allowed to run an F1 team. Toyota will add two cars to the field next year to form a total of 24. There's also the problem of "our" tracks. They were built when an F1 team brought a truck and possibly a tent or a caravan. Now they're stretched to bursting with the amount of equipment and exhuberant hospitality installation each teams brings along... there just isn't room for more unless they locate the lesser teams off-site. I see this happening in the not so distant future. ;-( > d. Why does F1.....with the "greatest drivers in the world"... > need traction control, launch control, etc.? Most motorsport enthousiasts are scratching their heads over that one. Stay tuned. > e. The great "Shu" quotes from the USGP weekend (paraphrased): > 1. "We enter the oval at such a low speed that the > car never comes close to its limits, its basically a rest and > relax period of the lap around Indy." Agree here, the transition into the oval should flow more in order to allow for more speed to be carried. Trap speeds of around 240-245mph would have been more interesting as this is beyond the normal design envelope for an F1. > 2. On the same weekend he also says, "There's too > little grip on the infield portion of the track. With little > rubber laid down, the tight corners and slow speeds.....our > traction control and downforce are not useful. We actually > have to drive the race car during that portion of the lap and > its very disconcerting, to say the least." He means they cannot push the cars through that section, even with all their gizmos, and are therefore reduced to merely "driving" the car through there (as opposed to racing). It is indeed a sad state of affairs that the technical rules/cars are hampering the racer in the exercise of his craft in F1, but you won't get an "F1 fan" to agree with you. > You have got to be kidding me or something? This...is what > comes out of the mouth of the driver, some say...is the greatest > F1 driver of all time? Jimmy Clark and others must be turning > over in their graves! They've been imitating a rotisserie for quite some time now, IMO.

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> I would like to make a hypothetical wager: > > "Give "Shu Baby" the finest simulation equipment in the > world.....and 48-hours to practice in it running GPL. Then, > pit him against any VROC driver chosen at random from the > VROC chat room.....at any GPL track chosen at random." Shu > will lose 90% of the time!

48 hours would be a little short for him to re-train his synapses, that would be unfair. But no doubt he would lose at least half the time, even if given ample time to adjust. > VROC has the best drivers in the world......certainly not F1. Best virtual ones for sure, although there's some mighty impressive folk in the N4 arena too. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pDau7.66269$[email hidden]... > I was just waiting for folks to write about that great pass Mika made to > take the lead.....err he DID pass somebody for the lead right? Go on, Montoya pulled a pretty good out-braking move... Jonny

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> Don.... > > How could you sleep with all that "real racing" going on in Kansas over > on NBC.....huh? > > And, while we are on the topic........ > > a. Neilson released its viewing-share figures this morning........the > NASCAR telecast "TV commercials" had a higher viewing-share than the > entire F1 race. I guess we just aren't sophisticated enough here in the > USA to appreciate real pace lapping....ah, errr....I mean, real racing? > > b. How did Ferrari manage to lose? I can't seem to find any reference > to this phenomenon, anywhere! > > c. Why were there only 22 cars? Could F1 manage to bring a > full-race-field next year.....maybe? Where were the rest of the F1 > teams and cars? > > d. Why does F1.....with the "greatest drivers in the world".....need > traction control, launch control, etc.? > > e. The great "Shu" quotes from the USGP weekend (paraphrased): > 1. "We enter the oval at such a low speed that the car > never comes close to its limits, its basically a rest and relax period > of the lap around Indy." > 2. On the same weekend he also says, "There's too little > grip on the infield portion of the track. With little rubber laid down, > the tight corners and slow speeds.....our traction control and downforce > are not useful. We actually have to drive the race car during that > portion of the lap and its very disconcerting, to say the least." > > You have got to be kidding me or something? This...is what comes > out of the mouth of the driver, some say...is the greatest F1 driver of > all time? Jimmy Clark and others must be turning over in their graves! > > I would like to make a hypothetical wager: > > "Give "Shu Baby" the finest simulation equipment in the > world.....and 48-hours to practice in it running GPL. Then, pit him > against any VROC driver chosen at random from the VROC chat room.....at > any GPL track chosen at random." Shu will lose 90% of the time! > > VROC has the best drivers in the world......certainly not F1. > > However, all of this is just my opinion. > > Regards, > > Tom > > > >

Todd Sorensen wrote in message ... >Well, I just loved how ABC covered the >race.........................NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Todd > As much as the Speedvision crew gets put down on occasion, I would rather have listened to them drunk as listen to the coverage ABC provided. Just sad. "Here's David Coulthard and ... another driver." Sheesh! Kurt

This is where it's great to live in Canada. TSN carried the British broadcast with Murray Walker and Martin Brundle plus I could switch over to ABC when TSN went to commercial. I couldn't stand the ABC commentators so I switched back as soon as possible. For all their emphasis on British drivers (who really cares about Nick Heidfeld or Jensen Button?) those guys just mean "F1" to me. "Kurt Steinbock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SEou7.33183$[email hidden]...

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> > Todd Sorensen wrote in message ... > >Well, I just loved how ABC covered the > >race.........................NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >Todd > > > > > As much as the Speedvision crew gets put down on occasion, I would rather > have listened to them drunk as listen to the coverage ABC provided. Just > sad. "Here's David Coulthard and ... another driver." Sheesh! > > Kurt > >

"Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Xpu7.62133$[email hidden]... > This is where it's great to live in Canada. TSN carried the British > broadcast with Murray Walker and Martin Brundle plus I could switch overto > ABC when TSN went to commercial. I couldn't stand the ABC commentators soI > switched back as soon as possible. > > For all their emphasis on British drivers (who really cares about Nick > Heidfeld or Jensen Button?) those guys just mean "F1" to me. > Except Heidfeld is German. "For all their emphasis on European drivers..." ;o) And their constant "requests" to the US TV producer (who obviously couldn't hear them) to see more of Montoya and Barrichello, when the camera was following M Schumacher etc. "For all their emphasis on international drivers..." :oD To be fair they do commentate a lot (too much) on Jensen and Eddie etc, Heidfeld is/was a point of particular interest as he'd qualified up n past the McLarens, and has been leapfrogged to a seat next to Coulthard next year by a clearly inferior driver (Reikkonen). So it was a good story to follow. <ras bait> At least the race was interesting, not like the CART at Rockingham, I fell asleep watching that one. </ras bait> cheers John

Oh, thanks John, my mistake. I just assumed he was British because he was receiving undue attention given his race position. This is the first F1 race I ever watched start to finish; I've never been interested enough to get up at some god-awful hour in the AM to watch the others (the times aren't very convenient for a Western Canadian...) "JM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Xkqu7.21501$[email hidden]...

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> > "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5Xpu7.62133$[email hidden]... > > This is where it's great to live in Canada. TSN carried the British > > broadcast with Murray Walker and Martin Brundle plus I could switch over > to > > ABC when TSN went to commercial. I couldn't stand the ABC commentators

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> I > > switched back as soon as possible. > > > > For all their emphasis on British drivers (who really cares about Nick > > Heidfeld or Jensen Button?) those guys just mean "F1" to me. > > > > Except Heidfeld is German. > > "For all their emphasis on European drivers..." ;o) > > And their constant "requests" to the US TV producer (who obviously

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> hear them) to see more of Montoya and Barrichello, when the camera was > following M Schumacher etc. > > "For all their emphasis on international drivers..." :oD > > To be fair they do commentate a lot (too much) on Jensen and Eddie etc, > Heidfeld is/was a point of particular interest as he'd qualified up n past > the McLarens, and has been leapfrogged to a seat next to Coulthard next

year > by a clearly inferior driver (Reikkonen). So it was a good story tofollow.

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> > <ras bait> > At least the race was interesting, not like the CART at Rockingham, I fell > asleep watching that one. > </ras bait> > > cheers > John > > > >

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> > e. The great "Shu" quotes from the USGP weekend (paraphrased): > 1. "We enter the oval at such a low speed that the car > never comes close to its limits, its basically a rest and relax period > of the lap around Indy." > 2. On the same weekend he also says, "There's too little > grip on the infield portion of the track. With little rubber laid down, > the tight corners and slow speeds.....our traction control and downforce > are not useful. We actually have to drive the race car during that > portion of the lap and its very disconcerting, to say the least." > > You have got to be kidding me or something? This...is what comes > out of the mouth of the driver, some say...is the greatest F1 driver of > all time? Jimmy Clark and others must be turning over in their graves!

Hmm, I can't believe he meant what you heard in the translation. Maybe they were using Altavista for the translation... -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

> You have got to be kidding me or something? This...is what comes > out of the mouth of the driver, some say...is the greatest F1 driver of > all time? Jimmy Clark and others must be turning over in their graves! Let Jim Clark play GPL for 3 weeks and he would probably come to the same conclusion that Jackie Stewart did. > I would like to make a hypothetical wager: > > "Give "Shu Baby" the finest simulation equipment in the > world.....and 48-hours to practice in it running GPL. Then, pit him > against any VROC driver chosen at random from the VROC chat room.....at > any GPL track chosen at random." Shu will lose 90% of the time! Give him as much time as those guys have had and he would mop the floor with them. He's not where he is because of luck or money. VROC drivers can practice without fear - they can push the limits in their spare time without any dramatic consequences. > VROC has the best drivers in the world......certainly not F1. Anyone who devotes so much time to GPL has to be lacking a certain amount of intelligence - intelligence that's almost certainly needed to be competitive in F1. > However, all of this is just my opinion. noted.

No F1 bashing here. But I was very displeased with the coverage on ABC. The only thing that makes F1 interesting to me is all the strategy. I do at times find the races boring. The pitstops, and the laps the drivers do, while others are pitting is to me very entertaining. ABC seems to have missed this aspect of F1. The stategy is what seperates F1 from CART in my opinion. I would have been just as well off to turn the sound completely off, as I had to figure out what was going on by myself anyway. So, now I will not be so pissed off to watch F1 at 6:30 in the morning any more, at least Speedvision has decent coverage.

I thought the same thing! You had 2 guys that knew of F1(Jenkins and Cheaver), and one that sounded like he didn't have a clue(Priestly). -- Sean Higgins Redline Racing League www.rrlnrs.com Redline BGN Division http://home.sprintmail.com/~higgy/RRL/ "jlohman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_1wu7.25495$[email hidden]... > No F1 bashing here. But I was very displeased with the coverage on ABC. The > only thing that makes F1 interesting to me is all the strategy. I do at > times find the races boring. The pitstops, and the laps the drivers do, > while others are pitting is to me very entertaining. ABC seems to have > missed this aspect of F1. The stategy is what seperates F1 from CART in my > opinion. I would have been just as well off to turn the sound completely > off, as I had to figure out what was going on by myself anyway. > So, now I will not be so pissed off to watch F1 at 6:30 in the morning any > more, at least Speedvision has decent coverage. > >

>Yeah, I actually think the oval part of the track is one of the cooler >parts of all the tracks in the calendar. It's so cool to watch onboard >footage when the revs just keeps going and going and going and going, >shift up to 7th, and going and going and going and heavy braking. :) And that onboard footage of Montoya sideways!, Awesome stuff, quick hands...:) Rafe Mc

><ras bait> >At least the race was interesting, not like the CART at Rockingham, I fell >asleep watching that one. ></ras bait> That race did get pretty dreary, but they have made the track 1/2 a mile too short for a good race. Compare with Germany before... That said, that was one hell of a final few laps. For a race with so little overtaking, the end was sensational. Rafe Mc

Ehhh.... Tom you are in the wrong newsgroup, please keep this semi-trolling elsewhere. Mikkel Tom Pabst <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0Jlu7.2030$[email hidden]... > Don....

>"Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote > This is where it's great to live in Canada. TSN carried the British > broadcast with Murray Walker and Martin Brundle plus I could switch overto > ABC when TSN went to commercial. I couldn't stand the ABC commentators soI > switched back as soon as possible. I had the best of both world. ABC's usage of Bernie's digital feed with my own commentaries on the RDS Channel. It's about the only time in my life I ever used my PiP function on my TV :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > I guess we just aren't sophisticated enough here in the > USA to appreciate real pace lapping....ah, errr....I mean, real racing? Who cares, really? It's not important, I still don't see the fuss about bringing F1 back into America. Corporate America already backs up F1 as much as it can. The USGP is just a test-bed for Bernie, he can take a chance of giving an F1 date to the USofA while he slowly builds up the need for F1 in Asia. > b. How did Ferrari manage to lose? I can't seem to find any reference > to this phenomenon, anywhere! Some other driver was able to finish the distance in less time, duh ;) > c. Why were there only 22 cars? Could F1 manage to bring a > full-race-field next year.....maybe? Where were the rest of the F1 > teams and cars? That's a joke, no? > d. Why does F1.....with the "greatest drivers in the world".....need > traction control, launch control, etc.? Because F1 is about drivers _AND_ technology. Always was, always will be. > Jimmy Clark and others must be turning over in their graves! Stop being over-sentimental. The sport has changed forever and will never be the same. Accept, or move on. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote > Anyone who devotes so much time to GPL has to be lacking a certain amountof > intelligence - intelligence that's almost certainly needed to becompetitive > in F1. Nice trolling attempt, but your bait just sank directly onto the bottom of the lake. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" wrote... > ><snip> > Nice trolling attempt, but your bait just sank directly onto > the bottom of the lake. Wouldn't say directly Francois... I hesitated at least a split second on whether to dignify his statement with an answer. <g> Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

I agree Kurt. Hey, I even LIKE those Speedvision guys! Todd "Kurt Steinbock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SEou7.33183$[email hidden]...

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> > Todd Sorensen wrote in message ... > >Well, I just loved how ABC covered the > >race.........................NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >Todd > > > > > As much as the Speedvision crew gets put down on occasion, I would rather > have listened to them drunk as listen to the coverage ABC provided. Just > sad. "Here's David Coulthard and ... another driver." Sheesh! > > Kurt > >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pDau7.66269$[email hidden]... > I was just waiting for folks to write about that great pass Mika made to > take the lead.....err he DID pass somebody for the lead right? > dave henrie He sure did pass someone for the lead. He passed Barrachello as he went in for his 2nd pitstop :-) Also the Jaguars started in the rear of the field (14th) and Irvine finished 5th. I suppose you are going to claim there was no passing there either? -- [email hidden] > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:jtau7.677$[email hidden]... > > I must have logged-on to the wrong newsgroup? This can't be r.a.s., at > > least not the r.a.s. that I was trying to log-on to! It has been more > > than 24-hours since the USGP F1 race....and there's been no "F1 bashing" > > here? This must be the wrong r.a.s.! Dang, has my ISP messed up their > > newsgroup servers again? > > > > Crap.... > > > > Tom > > >

"Kurt Steinbock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SEou7.33183$[email hidden]... > As much as the Speedvision crew gets put down on occasion, I would rather > have listened to them drunk as listen to the coverage ABC provided. Just > sad. "Here's David Coulthard and ... another driver." Sheesh! I was at the race (right by the S/F line across from the podium). But I recorded all of the speedvision stuff and the ABC race broadcast. I just got done with the speedvision stuff and will watch the race tonight. The speedvision guys did interview Bob Jenkins, and he admitted he was freaking out because he had no idea what was going on in F1 these days. So he was trying to do a crash course. I suspect one of us could have done better :-) -- [email hidden]

I wonder how many cars the Jag actually passed. Other than using the pits as you mentioned Mika over Ruebens. Still it seems that Cosworth is finally generating some decent power again. Watch out for Arrows next year. dave henrie "Greg Cisko" <

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> He sure did pass someone for the lead. He passed Barrachello > as he went in for his 2nd pitstop :-) > > Also the Jaguars started in the rear of the field (14th) and Irvine > finished 5th. I suppose you are going to claim there was no passing > there either? > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:jtau7.677$[email hidden]... > > > I must have logged-on to the wrong newsgroup? This can't be r.a.s.,

at > > > least not the r.a.s. that I was trying to log-on to! It has been more > > > than 24-hours since the USGP F1 race....and there's been no "F1bashing" > > > here? This must be the wrong r.a.s.! Dang, has my ISP messed uptheir

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> > > newsgroup servers again? > > > > > > Crap.... > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > >

"ymenard" > > c. Why were there only 22 cars? Could F1 manage to bring a > > full-race-field next year.....maybe? Where were the rest of the F1 > > teams and cars? > > That's a joke, no? only if you consider 22 cars a full field. Nascar allows 43 and usually several others are sent home when they couldn't qualify fast enough. The Indy 500 itself has 33 cars. So.....22 seems a-bit light to Nascar-bred Americans. > > > d. Why does F1.....with the "greatest drivers in the world".....need > > traction control, launch control, etc.? > > Because F1 is about drivers _AND_ technology. Always was, always will be. Or rather, that traction control has always been there, they couldn't police it, so they now allow it. Break the rules often enough and the transgressions BECOME the rules.

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> > > > Jimmy Clark and others must be turning over in their graves! > > Stop being over-sentimental. The sport has changed forever and will never > be the same. Accept, or move on. > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>

dave henrie

"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote... <snip> Montoya sideways! <snip> Rafe - you're being redundant... ;-) SB

"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > ><ras bait> > >At least the race was interesting, not like the CART at Rockingham, Ifell

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> >asleep watching that one. > ></ras bait> > > That race did get pretty dreary, but they have made the track 1/2 a > mile too short for a good race. Compare with Germany before... > > That said, that was one hell of a final few laps. For a race with so > little overtaking, the end was sensational. > > Rafe Mc

I accept it's "our" (Britain) fault for building what seems to be a fundamentally flawed oval circuit (should have just repaved Brooklands ;) ) but by the time the interesting two? laps at the end happened I'd already woke up and done something else. I should point out I was watching it on TV in the middle of Sunday afternoon, not at some ungodly hour! cheers John

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> e. The great "Shu" quotes from the USGP weekend (paraphrased): > 2. On the same weekend he also says, "There's > too little > grip on the infield portion of the track. With little rubber laid down, > the tight corners and slow speeds.....our traction control and downforce > are not useful. We actually have to drive the race car during that > portion of the lap and its very disconcerting, to say the least." > > You have got to be kidding me or something? This...is what comes > out of the mouth of the driver, some say...is the greatest F1 driver of > all time? Jimmy Clark and others must be turning over in their graves!

I've read all the interviews on several F1 sites and have seen nothing even remotely like this. I like the way you say it's paraphrased, yet put it in quotes. Sounds like you supplied your own biased interpretation here..Please point us to the actual quote so we can see what Schumacher actually said.

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> I would like to make a hypothetical wager: > > "Give "Shu Baby" the finest simulation equipment in the > world.....and 48-hours to practice in it running GPL. Then, pit him > against any VROC driver chosen at random from the VROC chat room.....at > any GPL track chosen at random." Shu will lose 90% of the time! > VROC has the best drivers in the world......certainly not F1.

I'm sure you are right (about the VROC drivers beating Schumacher in GPL), and that would prove absolutely nothing about Schumacher's ability to drive a real car, only his lack of experience in moving pixels around on a computer monitor. By your reasoning, you could take the same VROC drivers and put them in Schumacher's Ferrari, give them 48 hours, and they would post laps faster than Schumacher's 90% of the time. And even you are not foolish enough to believe that. A while back, you posted one of your long-winded manifestos calling on everyone to stop talking about GPLRank and (shudder) hot lapping because you were afraid that some real drivers might stumble upon this newsgroup and not take us as seriously as you take yourself. I think they are far more likely to dismiss sim racers in general, and you in particular, after reading your above nonsense. But that's just my opinion, Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

Dave Henrie wrote: > I wonder how many cars the Jag actually passed. Other than using the pits > as you mentioned Mika over Ruebens. Still it seems that Cosworth is > finally generating some decent power again. Watch out for Arrows next year. > dave henrie I was lucky enough to get tickets at turn 1 this year and saw LOTS of passing - Barrichello on Montoya, Montoya on Schumacher, Alesi passing both Bennetons simultaneously(!), Irvine on Heidfeld, and much more. Yeah, the Arrows with a Cosworth motor could be interesting next year. F1-live.com are speculating that Frentzen might replace Bernoldi at Arrows in '02. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

Jan... I was actually making a pretty near "tongue in cheek" set of remarks.....but you answered them with large amounts of "seriousness".....and some excellent logic and points. Now I think people won't mostly realize I was kidding around. Your reply was quite refreshing......"thank you." And, that's being serious. Regards, Tom

Good one, Frank! Saved me a reply post. Tom

Frank.... You have lost your passion! How sad this is. Tom

>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > You have lost your passion! How sad this is. No, I have not. What do you know? I just can dissociate the past from the present. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>I'm sure you are right (about the VROC drivers beating Schumacher in GPL), >and that would prove absolutely nothing about Schumacher's ability to drive >a real car, only his lack of experience in moving pixels around on a >computer monitor. Even though Tom's wasn't a serious post, I totally disagree with everyone's belief that VROC drivers could beat Shuey. There was a post 2 years ago where Mark Webber tested GPL on a hyperstimulator at the Aust. GP. Mark had never been in a hyperstim or seen GPL, but he was lapping Monza in 1:30's after only 6 laps! Give Schuey a day and he would be more than competitive in my view, he would surprise a lot. I'm sure the world record holders would beat him at first, but with a bit of time... Rafe Mc

They'd have to run some serious wing over the last hill to keep from landing over in Lake Lanier without that chicane! And I can't see Bernie liking the looks of that pit wall outside the final turn either. But - cresting that sucker at the speeds they'd be doing would make Eau Rouge look like a cakewalk. SB Off to the races - Star Mazda and Indy Lights today (their 1st time there), Petit Lemans tomorrow. Yum. "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote... > Road Atlanta would be incredibly nice for a USGP, if they > would restore the straight to it's non-chicaned glory. >

Irvine passed a whole lot of cars down the main straight. He would draft close as they passed my seat location and would get them at 1. The thing I was thrilled about was the fact that the race was not a parade with the first car into turn 1 winning the race. Also I recorded the ABC coverage of the race. The only accurate part that I could tell was when Eddie Cheever (total back marker while in F1) told everyone that F1 *IS* the pinnacle of autoracing engineering. Bob Jenkins and Josh whatever his name is in the pits were totally clueless. They treated the race like a nascar or irl race. "Duh, hey we heard that your engine is going to blow up care to comment?" and running over to get an update on the blistered tires... I was shocked that they did have the F1 team radio comms in the telecast. I guess when Bernie's F1 management does the race you get the cool stuff. -- [email hidden] "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6wEu7.73983$[email hidden]... > I wonder how many cars the Jag actually passed. Other than using the pits > as you mentioned Mika over Ruebens. Still it seems that Cosworth is > finally generating some decent power again. Watch out for Arrows next year. > dave henrie > "Greg Cisko" < > > He sure did pass someone for the lead. He passed Barrachello > > as he went in for his 2nd pitstop :-) > > > > Also the Jaguars started in the rear of the field (14th) and Irvine > > finished 5th. I suppose you are going to claim there was no passing > > there either? > > > > -- > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:jtau7.677$[email hidden]... > > > > I must have logged-on to the wrong newsgroup? This can't be r.a.s., > at > > > > least not the r.a.s. that I was trying to log-on to! It has been more > > > > than 24-hours since the USGP F1 race....and there's been no "F1 > bashing" > > > > here? This must be the wrong r.a.s.! Dang, has my ISP messed up > their > > > > newsgroup servers again? > > > > > > > > Crap.... > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

We've never gotten the fancy stuff over here in the States. I think the tape delayed broadcast by Speedvision this weekend will have 'some' of those enhancements. dave henrie "Greg Cisko" > > I was shocked that they did have the F1 team radio > comms in the telecast. I guess when Bernie's F1 > management does the race you get the cool stuff. >