I have a question about cheating in N4 with fixed setups.

Hello All. I saw a previous thread about cheating in N4 and it started me wondering. At a recent Daytona race, fixed setup on a Papy Loop server, my qualifiying time was about 50 seconds and change. Since I don't normally qualify well, and it was a fixed setup I didn't think too much about it, until I saw the other times. More than a few people had times in the low to mid 47 second range. As I said I know I don't qualify well, but these times seemed very fast. Then during the race, after the mandatory first lap wreck, myself and two other slower cars hooked up in a draft in an attempt to catch the leaders, when one of the fast cars from qualifying (who had been part of the big wreck) passed us like we were at half throttle. How do they do this? I can only feel some sort of cheating was going on, but have no idea how it is possible. If anyone knows, please make it public so that hopefully Papy can put and end to it. Thanks, btgoss

Did you have any damage and did this person pass you and pull away? Bill / Amish on Team Brickyard www.raceserver.net btgoss <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:K9mu7.110063$[email hidden]... > Hello All. > I saw a previous thread about cheating in N4 and it started me wondering.At > a recent Daytona race, fixed setup on a Papy Loop server, my qualifiying > time was about 50 seconds and change. Since I don't normally qualify well, > and it was a fixed setup I didn't think too much about it, until I saw the > other times. More than a few people had times in the low to mid 47 second > range. As I said I know I don't qualify well, but these times seemed very > fast. Then during the race, after the mandatory first lap wreck, myselfand > two other slower cars hooked up in a draft in an attempt to catch the > leaders, when one of the fast cars from qualifying (who had been part ofthe > big wreck) passed us like we were at half throttle. > How do they do this? > I can only feel some sort of cheating was going on, but have no idea howit

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> is possible. > If anyone knows, please make it public so that hopefully Papy can put and > end to it. > Thanks, > btgoss > > >

That's the thing, we had been so far behind that we had no damage. And he really blew past us, and I am not exaggerating. It was very strange. btgoss "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3bba0b33$[email hidden]...

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> Did you have any damage and did this person pass you and pull away? > > Bill / Amish on Team Brickyard > www.raceserver.net > > > btgoss <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:K9mu7.110063$[email hidden]... > > Hello All. > > I saw a previous thread about cheating in N4 and it started me

wondering. > At > > a recent Daytona race, fixed setup on a Papy Loop server, my qualifiying > > time was about 50 seconds and change. Since I don't normally qualifywell, > > and it was a fixed setup I didn't think too much about it, until I sawthe > > other times. More than a few people had times in the low to mid 47second > > range. As I said I know I don't qualify well, but these times seemedvery

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> > fast. Then during the race, after the mandatory first lap wreck, myself > and > > two other slower cars hooked up in a draft in an attempt to catch the > > leaders, when one of the fast cars from qualifying (who had been part of > the > > big wreck) passed us like we were at half throttle. > > How do they do this? > > I can only feel some sort of cheating was going on, but have no idea how > it > > is possible. > > If anyone knows, please make it public so that hopefully Papy can put

and

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> > end to it. > > Thanks, > > btgoss > > > > > > > >

Did he then leave your draft or did you guys keep up with him? Bill btgoss <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:B7nu7.110458$[email hidden]...

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> That's the thing, we had been so far behind that we had no damage. And he > really blew past us, and I am not exaggerating. It was very strange. > btgoss > > > "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3bba0b33$[email hidden]... > > Did you have any damage and did this person pass you and pull away? > > > > Bill / Amish on Team Brickyard > > www.raceserver.net > > > > > > btgoss <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:K9mu7.110063$[email hidden]... > > > Hello All. > > > I saw a previous thread about cheating in N4 and it started me > wondering. > > At > > > a recent Daytona race, fixed setup on a Papy Loop server, my

qualifiying

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> > > time was about 50 seconds and change. Since I don't normally qualify > well, > > > and it was a fixed setup I didn't think too much about it, until I saw > the > > > other times. More than a few people had times in the low to mid 47 > second > > > range. As I said I know I don't qualify well, but these times seemed > very > > > fast. Then during the race, after the mandatory first lap wreck,

myself > > and > > > two other slower cars hooked up in a draft in an attempt to catch the > > > leaders, when one of the fast cars from qualifying (who had been partof > > the > > > big wreck) passed us like we were at half throttle. > > > How do they do this? > > > I can only feel some sort of cheating was going on, but have no ideahow

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> > it > > > is possible. > > > If anyone knows, please make it public so that hopefully Papy can put > and > > > end to it. > > > Thanks, > > > btgoss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

He left us. We couldn't keep up, and we tried. We kept a farily close draft and he went around us like we had stopped. And then kept going. He finished in the top five or ten...and this was the usual Loop Daytona field of something like 30...so he was moving. It almost seemed like controlled warp, or at the very least a setup that was much better than the setup on the server. I know that you can modifiy a file to remove the "restrictor plates", but I had thought that type of cheating was not possible on the servers. He had that much power, perhaps someone has figured out a way to remove the plates. I really don't know. Has anyone else seen this type of behavior? Or I am starting to look like some sort of Troll/crank? btgoss "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3bba1dc7$[email hidden]...

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> Did he then leave your draft or did you guys keep up with him? > > Bill > > > btgoss <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:B7nu7.110458$[email hidden]... > > That's the thing, we had been so far behind that we had no damage. And

he

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> > really blew past us, and I am not exaggerating. It was very strange. > > btgoss > > > > > > "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3bba0b33$[email hidden]... > > > Did you have any damage and did this person pass you and pull away? > > > > > > Bill / Amish on Team Brickyard > > > www.raceserver.net > > > > > > > > > btgoss <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:K9mu7.110063$[email hidden]... > > > > Hello All. > > > > I saw a previous thread about cheating in N4 and it started me > > wondering. > > > At > > > > a recent Daytona race, fixed setup on a Papy Loop server, my > qualifiying > > > > time was about 50 seconds and change. Since I don't normally qualify > > well, > > > > and it was a fixed setup I didn't think too much about it, until I

saw

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> > the > > > > other times. More than a few people had times in the low to mid 47 > > second > > > > range. As I said I know I don't qualify well, but these times seemed > > very > > > > fast. Then during the race, after the mandatory first lap wreck, > myself > > > and > > > > two other slower cars hooked up in a draft in an attempt to catch

the > > > > leaders, when one of the fast cars from qualifying (who had beenpart

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> of > > > the > > > > big wreck) passed us like we were at half throttle. > > > > How do they do this? > > > > I can only feel some sort of cheating was going on, but have no idea > how > > > it > > > > is possible. > > > > If anyone knows, please make it public so that hopefully Papy can

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> > and > > > > end to it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > btgoss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <K9mu7.110063$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Hello All. > I saw a previous thread about cheating in N4 and it started me wondering. At > a recent Daytona race, fixed setup on a Papy Loop server, my qualifiying > time was about 50 seconds and change. Since I don't normally qualify well, > and it was a fixed setup I didn't think too much about it, until I saw the > other times. More than a few people had times in the low to mid 47 second > range.

I've seen this also on a fixed race that made me believe that possibly my controller isn't calibrated correctly. It may take me forever to draft onto someone's bumper if at all and lag .5 secs down at best, but I'll have someone down 3 secs catch me in one lap and pass me like I was standing still without even using my draft. Perhaps my technique on taking the turns and half-loop isn't as good as it could be, I don't know. But they do appear to reach 5mph more on straights than I can *with* draft. Cheers, Rod.

Don't appear like a troll/crank, I just run the Brick-RSN servers and was interested if there was anything that I could be looking for on my side to prevent a possible problem. It is POSSIBLE, that the server had random temp's turned on and this person joined the race during qualifying or left the server and rejoined prior to the race starting. There is a weather bug in N4. It is possible his weather on his system was different (Ex... He had cloudy weather and yours was clear). Bill / Amish on Team Brickyard www.raceserver.net btgoss <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Y0pu7.112471$[email hidden]... > He left us. We couldn't keep up, and we tried. We kept a farily closedraft > and he went around us like we had stopped. And then kept going. Hefinished > in the top five or ten...and this was the usual Loop Daytona field of > something like 30...so he was moving. > It almost seemed like controlled warp, or at the very least a setup thatwas > much better than the setup on the server. > I know that you can modifiy a file to remove the "restrictor plates", butI > had thought that type of cheating was not possible on the servers. He had > that much power, perhaps someone has figured out a way to remove theplates.

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> I really don't know. > Has anyone else seen this type of behavior? Or I am starting to look like > some sort of Troll/crank? > > btgoss > > > "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3bba1dc7$[email hidden]... > > Did he then leave your draft or did you guys keep up with him? > > > > Bill > > > > > > btgoss <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:B7nu7.110458$[email hidden]... > > > That's the thing, we had been so far behind that we had no damage. And > he > > > really blew past us, and I am not exaggerating. It was very strange. > > > btgoss > > > > > > > > > "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:3bba0b33$[email hidden]... > > > > Did you have any damage and did this person pass you and pull away? > > > > > > > > Bill / Amish on Team Brickyard > > > > www.raceserver.net > > > > > > > > > > > > btgoss <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:K9mu7.110063$[email hidden]... > > > > > Hello All. > > > > > I saw a previous thread about cheating in N4 and it started me > > > wondering. > > > > At > > > > > a recent Daytona race, fixed setup on a Papy Loop server, my > > qualifiying > > > > > time was about 50 seconds and change. Since I don't normally

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> > > well, > > > > > and it was a fixed setup I didn't think too much about it, until I > saw > > > the > > > > > other times. More than a few people had times in the low to mid 47 > > > second > > > > > range. As I said I know I don't qualify well, but these times

seemed

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> > > very > > > > > fast. Then during the race, after the mandatory first lap wreck, > > myself > > > > and > > > > > two other slower cars hooked up in a draft in an attempt to catch > the > > > > > leaders, when one of the fast cars from qualifying (who had been > part > > of > > > > the > > > > > big wreck) passed us like we were at half throttle. > > > > > How do they do this? > > > > > I can only feel some sort of cheating was going on, but have no

idea

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> > how > > > > it > > > > > is possible. > > > > > If anyone knows, please make it public so that hopefully Papy can > put > > > and > > > > > end to it. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > btgoss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Yeah, we seen that at the LAN event. One driver had a different temp than all the rest of us. Weird. "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3bba3ee2$[email hidden]... > Don't appear like a troll/crank, I just run the Brick-RSN servers and was > interested if there was anything that I could be looking for on my side to > prevent a possible problem. > > It is POSSIBLE, that the server had random temp's turned on and thisperson

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> joined the race during qualifying or left the server and rejoined prior to > the race starting. There is a weather bug in N4. It is possible his > weather on his system was different (Ex... He had cloudy weather and yours > was clear). > > Bill / Amish on Team Brickyard > www.raceserver.net > > > btgoss <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Y0pu7.112471$[email hidden]... > > He left us. We couldn't keep up, and we tried. We kept a farily close > draft > > and he went around us like we had stopped. And then kept going. He > finished > > in the top five or ten...and this was the usual Loop Daytona field of > > something like 30...so he was moving. > > It almost seemed like controlled warp, or at the very least a setup that > was > > much better than the setup on the server. > > I know that you can modifiy a file to remove the "restrictor plates",

but > I > > had thought that type of cheating was not possible on the servers. Hehad > > that much power, perhaps someone has figured out a way to remove the > plates. > > I really don't know. > > Has anyone else seen this type of behavior? Or I am starting to looklike

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> > some sort of Troll/crank? > > > > btgoss > > > > > > "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3bba1dc7$[email hidden]... > > > Did he then leave your draft or did you guys keep up with him? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > btgoss <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:B7nu7.110458$[email hidden]... > > > > That's the thing, we had been so far behind that we had no damage.

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> > he > > > > really blew past us, and I am not exaggerating. It was very strange. > > > > btgoss > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:3bba0b33$[email hidden]... > > > > > Did you have any damage and did this person pass you and pull

away?

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> > > > > > > > > > Bill / Amish on Team Brickyard > > > > > www.raceserver.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > btgoss <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:K9mu7.110063$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Hello All. > > > > > > I saw a previous thread about cheating in N4 and it started me > > > > wondering. > > > > > At > > > > > > a recent Daytona race, fixed setup on a Papy Loop server, my > > > qualifiying > > > > > > time was about 50 seconds and change. Since I don't normally > qualify > > > > well, > > > > > > and it was a fixed setup I didn't think too much about it, until

I > > saw > > > > the > > > > > > other times. More than a few people had times in the low to mid47

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> > > > second > > > > > > range. As I said I know I don't qualify well, but these times > seemed > > > > very > > > > > > fast. Then during the race, after the mandatory first lap wreck, > > > myself > > > > > and > > > > > > two other slower cars hooked up in a draft in an attempt to

catch

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> > the > > > > > > leaders, when one of the fast cars from qualifying (who had been > > part > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > big wreck) passed us like we were at half throttle. > > > > > > How do they do this? > > > > > > I can only feel some sort of cheating was going on, but have no > idea > > > how > > > > > it > > > > > > is possible. > > > > > > If anyone knows, please make it public so that hopefully Papy

can

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> > put > > > > and > > > > > > end to it. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > btgoss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Yup I've noticed this on Papy servers the last time I was there, (2-3 weeks ago). I thought that some of the "Great Laps" during qualifying was a little to fast. Usually the Qualifying laps are all within 10ths of a second for the first 10-15 Qualifiers with fixed setups, with the newbie's 15- 20+ a second down. At Daytona 50.xxx are usual Qualifying laps. But I've seen usually a couple of racers (pals? clan?) get mid 49's with all other racers in awe, "GL #146" etc. In the times that I am on the Papy servers I race about 10 to 15 races on an average. At selected varying times of Day/Week. Had a good bunch of races early one Saturday morning, guess all the "Kiddy's" must of been hung over from Friday night partying. But I haven't had a good race in N4 for about a month, seems at certain times the wreakers/pit road speeders are back in force. Could it be that the "Hackers" may have gotten around the CD Key Ban? Or just maybe no one is reporting them? That's why I think (IMO) Papy should have Human monitors on their servers during peak times when this is prevalent. I'll volunteer. :-) <<<< that would be the ultimate "Revenge" to get back at all the racers that come flying out of the pits and merge before turn 1. he he. I have had on an occasion been in an "Open Night" league N4 server, (and N3 a long time ago) that was monitored by a human, and anyone playing "shenanigans" would disappear quickly. Here are some links for what some are trying to do about the cheat/hacks in the FPS "Half Life". Now I don't even own Half Life, (haven't seen it on the bargain self yet, he he) this is just for a reference on online cheating. For the one's that say about cheating "maybe they are just a better player". What's that old saying about Farting? "He who is first to deny it, Delt it." http://www.punkbuster.com/hlcheatdescriptions.html <<<<< very interesting, esp. the ASUS video drivers. http://www.punkbuster.com/anticheatresources.html -- R.I.P. - William Joseph Dunlop OBE MBE 2/25/52 - 7/2/2000 http://www.roadracers.uk.com/legend.htm

Correction: >"At Daytona 50.xxx are usual Qualifying laps" That should be at Talladega. -- R.I.P. - William Joseph Dunlop OBE MBE 2/25/52 - 7/2/2000 http://www.roadracers.uk.com/legend.htm