Disappointed with Kyro II

I've just purchased a 64Mb Kyro II card to (finally) replace the venerable Voodoo 3 on my 1ghz Athlon system. I had previously tried an Nvidia MX card and was largely underwhelmed - it went back. Anyhow, after hearing good reports about the Kyros and with the price having just come down here in Oz (the reason for not buying a GTS or GeForce3), I took the plunge and bought the Kyro II. So far I've seen an improvement in frame rates in NFSPU and the N4 demo, but the main (only) sim I use regularly, GPL, has suffered from the changeover. Obviously I use the D7 rasterizer, but the graphics look less detailed than the Glide version and the framerate has taken a considerable hit. At the back of a full grid at Spa, at 1024x768, with all graphics on and the detail slider 80% to the right, I always got a steady 36 fps at flagfall with the V3. With the Kyro, it drops to about 24 fps until the first corner, and then improves from there. As I said before, the graphic detail is worse than on the V3, and part of the menus are missing. Are there better drivers for the Kyro than came on the CD? - If so where? I also have a problem with GP3, being unable to better about 12 fps at the start of a race - regardless of resolution. Any suggestions, otherwise the V3 goes back in ! TIA.. Phillip...

Go to www.nvidia.com and get the Detonator drivers. The drivers on the CD that came with your card are probably ancient. I've had great luck with using Detonator vs. the drivers specific for my card (Elsa Gladiac GeForce 2). Tim On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:01:16 +1100, "Phillip Archer" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I've just purchased a 64Mb Kyro II card to (finally) replace the venerable >Voodoo 3 on my 1ghz Athlon system. I had previously tried an Nvidia MX card >and was largely underwhelmed - it went back. Anyhow, after hearing good >reports about the Kyros and with the price having just come down here in Oz >(the reason for not buying a GTS or GeForce3), I took the plunge and bought >the Kyro II. So far I've seen an improvement in frame rates in NFSPU and the >N4 demo, but the main (only) sim I use regularly, GPL, has suffered from the >changeover. Obviously I use the D7 rasterizer, but the graphics look less >detailed than the Glide version and the framerate has taken a considerable >hit. At the back of a full grid at Spa, at 1024x768, with all graphics on >and the detail slider 80% to the right, I always got a steady 36 fps at >flagfall with the V3. With the Kyro, it drops to about 24 fps until the >first corner, and then improves from there. As I said before, the graphic >detail is worse than on the V3, and part of the menus are missing. Are there >better drivers for the Kyro than came on the CD? - If so where? I also have >a problem with GP3, being unable to better about 12 fps at the start of a >race - regardless of resolution. >Any suggestions, otherwise the V3 goes back in ! > TIA.. > Phillip... >

Ummm, eh? He doesnt have a nvidia Ash "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| | Go to www.nvidia.com and get the Detonator drivers. | The drivers on the CD that came with your card are probably ancient. | I've had great luck with using Detonator vs. the drivers specific for | my card (Elsa Gladiac GeForce 2). | | Tim | | On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:01:16 +1100, "Phillip Archer" | <[email hidden]> wrote: | | >I've just purchased a 64Mb Kyro II card to (finally) replace the

venerable | >Voodoo 3 on my 1ghz Athlon system. I had previously tried an Nvidia MXcard | >and was largely underwhelmed - it went back. Anyhow, after hearing good | >reports about the Kyros and with the price having just come down here inOz | >(the reason for not buying a GTS or GeForce3), I took the plunge andbought | >the Kyro II. So far I've seen an improvement in frame rates in NFSPU andthe | >N4 demo, but the main (only) sim I use regularly, GPL, has suffered fromthe | >changeover. Obviously I use the D7 rasterizer, but the graphics look less | >detailed than the Glide version and the framerate has taken aconsiderable | >hit. At the back of a full grid at Spa, at 1024x768, with all graphics on | >and the detail slider 80% to the right, I always got a steady 36 fps at | >flagfall with the V3. With the Kyro, it drops to about 24 fps until the | >first corner, and then improves from there. As I said before, the graphic | >detail is worse than on the V3, and part of the menus are missing. Arethere | >better drivers for the Kyro than came on the CD? - If so where? I alsohave

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| >a problem with GP3, being unable to better about 12 fps at the start of a | >race - regardless of resolution. | >Any suggestions, otherwise the V3 goes back in ! | > TIA.. | > Phillip... | > |

NO DONT The Kryo 2 DOES NOT use Detonator drivers Visit the Hercules website - and use the drivers there for your card Doug "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Go to www.nvidia.com and get the Detonator drivers. > The drivers on the CD that came with your card are probably ancient. > I've had great luck with using Detonator vs. the drivers specific for > my card (Elsa Gladiac GeForce 2). > > Tim > > On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:01:16 +1100, "Phillip Archer" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I've just purchased a 64Mb Kyro II card to (finally) replace the

venerable > >Voodoo 3 on my 1ghz Athlon system. I had previously tried an Nvidia MXcard > >and was largely underwhelmed - it went back. Anyhow, after hearing good > >reports about the Kyros and with the price having just come down here inOz > >(the reason for not buying a GTS or GeForce3), I took the plunge andbought > >the Kyro II. So far I've seen an improvement in frame rates in NFSPU andthe > >N4 demo, but the main (only) sim I use regularly, GPL, has suffered fromthe > >changeover. Obviously I use the D7 rasterizer, but the graphics look less > >detailed than the Glide version and the framerate has taken aconsiderable > >hit. At the back of a full grid at Spa, at 1024x768, with all graphics on > >and the detail slider 80% to the right, I always got a steady 36 fps at > >flagfall with the V3. With the Kyro, it drops to about 24 fps until the > >first corner, and then improves from there. As I said before, the graphic > >detail is worse than on the V3, and part of the menus are missing. Arethere > >better drivers for the Kyro than came on the CD? - If so where? I alsohave

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> >a problem with GP3, being unable to better about 12 fps at the start of a > >race - regardless of resolution. > >Any suggestions, otherwise the V3 goes back in ! > > TIA.. > > Phillip... > > >

The Kyro 2 has big problems with GP3 and there is no workaround. There are newer drivers 8. something Kyro FAQ at http://www.paraknowya.com/specials/faq/index.shtml -- Peter H Voodoo5 GPL sucks ... you in ;-) "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9phdfu$5gf5$[email hidden]... > NO DONT > > The Kryo 2 DOES NOT use Detonator drivers > > Visit the Hercules website - and use the drivers there for your card > > Doug > > "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Go to www.nvidia.com and get the Detonator drivers. > > The drivers on the CD that came with your card are probably ancient. > > I've had great luck with using Detonator vs. the drivers specific for > > my card (Elsa Gladiac GeForce 2). > > > > Tim > > > > On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:01:16 +1100, "Phillip Archer" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >I've just purchased a 64Mb Kyro II card to (finally) replace the > venerable > > >Voodoo 3 on my 1ghz Athlon system. I had previously tried an Nvidia MX > card > > >and was largely underwhelmed - it went back. Anyhow, after hearing good > > >reports about the Kyros and with the price having just come down here in > Oz > > >(the reason for not buying a GTS or GeForce3), I took the plunge and > bought > > >the Kyro II. So far I've seen an improvement in frame rates in NFSPU and > the > > >N4 demo, but the main (only) sim I use regularly, GPL, has suffered from > the > > >changeover. Obviously I use the D7 rasterizer, but the graphics look less > > >detailed than the Glide version and the framerate has taken a > considerable > > >hit. At the back of a full grid at Spa, at 1024x768, with all graphics on > > >and the detail slider 80% to the right, I always got a steady 36 fps at > > >flagfall with the V3. With the Kyro, it drops to about 24 fps until the > > >first corner, and then improves from there. As I said before, the graphic > > >detail is worse than on the V3, and part of the menus are missing. Are > there > > >better drivers for the Kyro than came on the CD? - If so where? I also > have > > >a problem with GP3, being unable to better about 12 fps at the start of a > > >race - regardless of resolution. > > >Any suggestions, otherwise the V3 goes back in ! > > > TIA.. > > > Phillip... > > > > > > >

Read the article on http://news.simracing.dk/anmeldelser/hardware/kyro2_gpl/kyro2_gpl.htm Thats tells you how to fix the KyroII vs. GPL problems. It needs a little work, but the Kyro II can be made to run GPL very smoothly. Mikkel http://www.simracing.dk http://www.filsca.com Phillip Archer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9pgmua$kpu$[email hidden]... > I've just purchased a 64Mb Kyro II card to (finally) replace the venerable > Voodoo 3 on my 1ghz Athlon system. I had previously tried an Nvidia MXcard > and was largely underwhelmed - it went back. Anyhow, after hearing good > reports about the Kyros and with the price having just come down here inOz > (the reason for not buying a GTS or GeForce3), I took the plunge andbought > the Kyro II. So far I've seen an improvement in frame rates in NFSPU andthe > N4 demo, but the main (only) sim I use regularly, GPL, has suffered fromthe

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> changeover. Obviously I use the D7 rasterizer, but the graphics look less > detailed than the Glide version and the framerate has taken a considerable > hit. At the back of a full grid at Spa, at 1024x768, with all graphics on > and the detail slider 80% to the right, I always got a steady 36 fps at > flagfall with the V3. With the Kyro, it drops to about 24 fps until the > first corner, and then improves from there. As I said before, the graphic > detail is worse than on the V3, and part of the menus are missing. Are

there > better drivers for the Kyro than came on the CD? - If so where? I alsohave

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> a problem with GP3, being unable to better about 12 fps at the start of a > race - regardless of resolution. > Any suggestions, otherwise the V3 goes back in ! > TIA.. > Phillip... > >

"Phillip Archer" <[email hidden]> writes: > first corner, and then improves from there. As I said before, the graphic > detail is worse than on the V3, and part of the menus are missing. Are there > better drivers for the Kyro than came on the CD? - If so where? I also have > a problem with GP3, being unable to better about 12 fps at the start of a > race - regardless of resolution. I think you have experienced the wonder of the Kyro's tile based rendering. basically, it doesn't work with a number of games. GP3 is one. I can't remember what was the real problem, but it had something to do with 2D overlays, I believe. AFAIK there is no fix. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 to err is human -- to forgive is bovine.

On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:25:01 +0100, "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Ummm, eh? > >He doesnt have a nvidia > >Ash Oops, sorry. It was early, and I had a major brain fart and for some reason thought he was referring to an NVidia based card. The Kyro is based on PowerVR, right? Tim

"Phillip Archer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9pgmua$kpu$[email hidden]... > I've just purchased a 64Mb Kyro II card to (finally) replace the venerable > Voodoo 3 on my 1ghz Athlon system. > Any suggestions, otherwise the V3goes back in ! > TIA.. > Phillip... Thanks for all your pointers. I'll do some reading and see what I can come up with. Cheers... Phillip......