F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back end comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at all. 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over any button. 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in any way competitively for previous reasons. 6) Mirrors don't work at all! 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from F1CS. 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it unplayable. I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If things don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to worry about from F1 2001. Shall we wait for the patch? (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) Iain

Hey, just picked it up, and it least your wheel WORKS. Even though I have a old cheap wheel (Wingman Formula GP) it won't recognize my gas paddle, unless I don't assign any settings then my gas is always on. If there isn't some fix soon, I believe mine's going back as well. "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]...

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> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a > scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly > filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, > EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels > like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back

end > comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at > all. > > 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering overany

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> button. > > 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish > each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in > any way competitively for previous reasons. > > 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no > excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from

F1CS. > > 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > unplayable. > > I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I > have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. Ifthings > don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing toworry

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> about from F1 2001. > > Shall we wait for the patch? > > (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > > Iain > > > >

Iain, Try going backwards on yer drivers. The 21.xx Dets are more for the GF3 (a GF2 Pro should kick major gluts w. this game). I've heard of good results w. F1 2001 & 7.52, 7.58, 8.04 & 12.41 Dets. --Steve Smith "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]...

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> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a > scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly > filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, > EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels > like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back

end > comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at > all. > > 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering overany

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> button. > > 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish > each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in > any way competitively for previous reasons. > > 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no > excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from

F1CS. > > 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > unplayable. > > I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I > have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. Ifthings > don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing toworry

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> about from F1 2001. > > Shall we wait for the patch? > > (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > > Iain > > > >

"Iain Mackenzie" > 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a > scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! I agree. > 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly > filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, > EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels > like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. Framerate is OK but sometimes it does give some strange feeling when driving over a straight. > 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The backend > comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car atall. I agree. > 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering overany > button. The menu's suck BIGtime! Have you tried typing? On a multiplayer-game, try chat. You allmost have to press the key through the table in order to get it onto the screen! > 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish > each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in > any way competitively for previous reasons. No probs here. > 6) Mirrors don't work at all! No probs here. > 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no > excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF fromF1CS. Damn EA, I LOVE FF!!! > 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > unplayable. No probs here > I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I > have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. Ifthings > don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing toworry > about from F1 2001. > > Shall we wait for the patch? > > (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) I expected a lot from this game but I am very, very disappointed... -- Sander vs Evil " When You've Got Nothing You've Got Nothing To Lose! "

"Iain Mackenzie" I agree. > 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly > EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels > like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. Framerate is OK but sometimes it does give some strange feeling when driving over a straight. all. I agree. The menu's suck BIGtime! Have you tried typing? On a multiplayer-game, try chat. You allmost have to press the key through the table in order to get it onto the screen! No probs here. No probs here. F1CS. Damn EA, I LOVE FF!!! No probs here I expected a lot from this game but I am very, very disappointed... -- Sander vs Evil " When You've Got Nothing You've Got Nothing To Lose! "

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]...

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> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a > scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly > filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, > EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels > like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back end > comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at > all. > > 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over any > button. > > 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish > each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in > any way competitively for previous reasons. > > 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no > excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from F1CS. > > 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > unplayable. > > I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I > have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If things > don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to worry > about from F1 2001. > > Shall we wait for the patch? > > (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > > Iain

Hi Iain, That's not a good news. I don't race GP3 anymore because I can't get it configure resolutions for my Elsa Gladiac Ultra (I'm running P3 500 on Win2K (SP2), 21.81 Detonator, Dx8a) I was hoping until GP4 shows up that I could live with F1 2001 don't tell me it's like F1 2000... how is the graphics compared to F1 2000 ? Car handeling ? How is AI compared to F1 2000 (F1 2000 AI = What AI ? I haven't anything remotly that looks like AI) Peter

God, not again! Colin McRae 2 had the same issue - it didn't like the most recent Voodoo 3 drivers, and customer support recommended going back one. So I just didn't buy it until I upgraded my PC to a GeForce card. I said it then and I'll say it now: I am NOT going to downgrade video drivers to run one specific game when all the other games on my HD run BETTER with the new drivers than with the old. I just won't buy that specific game. Developers who blame it on the driver should talk to the 20 other development houses whose games work fine. It's not the driver's fault. "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Wxmv7.621470$[email hidden]... > Iain, > > Try going backwards on yer drivers. The 21.xx Dets are more for the GF3(a > GF2 Pro should kick major gluts w. this game). I've heard of good results > w. F1 2001 & 7.52, 7.58, 8.04 & 12.41 Dets. > > --Steve Smith

You said everything i wanted to say. I spent an hour trying to get mirrors to work. Only hope time will improve things I usually hate a new sim the first time I try it. I think the physics are spot on but the controler input just does not seem right. Just a few early immpresions dont want to say to much more just yet J.Johnson

amen to that. tunnel visioned developers with one thing in sight....$$

>Only hope time will improve things I usually hate a new sim the first timeI try it. strange...sims like GPL, N4, N3, Viper...were all sims that i LOVED first go...

What planet are you from? Thomas "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> skrev i meddelandet news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]...

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> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a > scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly > filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, > EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels > like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back

end > comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at > all. > > 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering overany

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> button. > > 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish > each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in > any way competitively for previous reasons. > > 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no > excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from

F1CS. > > 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > unplayable. > > I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I > have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. Ifthings > don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing toworry

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> about from F1 2001. > > Shall we wait for the patch? > > (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > > Iain > > > >

Jeez, nVidea seems to have done a pretty good job of getting Detonators to work w. everything from ancient TNTs to GF3s; dozens of cards in all. The very latest drivers are meant more for the GF3s, so small wonder the older cards aren't happy. Big deal. I just want my video card to work; I don't care with which drivers. "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GEmv7.69773$[email hidden]... > God, not again! Colin McRae 2 had the same issue - it didn't like the most > recent Voodoo 3 drivers, and customer support recommended going back one.So

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> I just didn't buy it until I upgraded my PC to a GeForce card. > > I said it then and I'll say it now: I am NOT going to downgrade video > drivers to run one specific game when all the other games on my HD run > BETTER with the new drivers than with the old. I just won't buy that > specific game. Developers who blame it on the driver should talk to the 20 > other development houses whose games work fine. It's not the driver's

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> > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Wxmv7.621470$[email hidden]... > > Iain, > > > > Try going backwards on yer drivers. The 21.xx Dets are more for the GF3 > (a > > GF2 Pro should kick major gluts w. this game). I've heard of good

results > > w. F1 2001 & 7.52, 7.58, 8.04 & 12.41 Dets. > > > > --Steve Smith > > >

"Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AQnv7.622962$[email hidden]... > Jeez, nVidea seems to have done a pretty good job of getting Detonators to > work w. everything from ancient TNTs to GF3s; dozens of cards in all. The > very latest drivers are meant more for the GF3s, so small wonder the older > cards aren't happy. Big deal. I just want my video card to work; I don't > care with which drivers. > As far as I can tell he downgraded his drivers when he installed the 20.XX versions, being a completely pointless exercise in itself! cheers John

For better video performance, try running in windowed mode -- set the parameter in the config.ini file to "1" (instead of "0"). This is a known problem with newer Detonator drivers. You might also want to visit the High Gear forums -- a LOT of people over there disagree with most of your assessment, it seems, including a lot of F1RC, GP3, and GPL fans. -- JB On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back end >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at >all. > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over any >button. > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in >any way competitively for previous reasons. > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from F1CS. > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it >unplayable. > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If things >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to worry >about from F1 2001. > >Shall we wait for the patch? > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > >Iain > > > >

Amen, Steve!!! On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:27:28 GMT, "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Jeez, nVidea seems to have done a pretty good job of getting Detonators to >work w. everything from ancient TNTs to GF3s; dozens of cards in all. The >very latest drivers are meant more for the GF3s, so small wonder the older >cards aren't happy. Big deal. I just want my video card to work; I don't >care with which drivers. > >"Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:GEmv7.69773$[email hidden]... >> God, not again! Colin McRae 2 had the same issue - it didn't like the most >> recent Voodoo 3 drivers, and customer support recommended going back one. >So >> I just didn't buy it until I upgraded my PC to a GeForce card. >> >> I said it then and I'll say it now: I am NOT going to downgrade video >> drivers to run one specific game when all the other games on my HD run >> BETTER with the new drivers than with the old. I just won't buy that >> specific game. Developers who blame it on the driver should talk to the 20 >> other development houses whose games work fine. It's not the driver's >fault. >> >> "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:Wxmv7.621470$[email hidden]... >> > Iain, >> > >> > Try going backwards on yer drivers. The 21.xx Dets are more for the GF3 >> (a >> > GF2 Pro should kick major gluts w. this game). I've heard of good >results >> > w. F1 2001 & 7.52, 7.58, 8.04 & 12.41 Dets. >> > >> > --Steve Smith >> >> >> > >

Run the game in windowed mode if you're using newer Detonator drivers. Visit the High Gear forums to get up-to-speed with various tweaks and such. -- JB On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 18:20:07 GMT, "John Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>You said everything i wanted to say. > >I spent an hour trying to get mirrors to work. > >Only hope time will improve things I usually hate a new sim the first time I >try it. > >I think the physics are spot on but the controler input just does not seem >right. > >Just a few early immpresions dont want to say to much more just yet > >J.Johnson > >

The planet of pathetic driver mismatches, I think -- why else would you use Detonator drivers that are optimized for the GeForce3 with a GeForce2 Ultra? Alternate answer: The plant of people who have not yet learned the advantages of running F1 2001 in windowed mode if you're using newer Detonator drivers . . . :-p ;-) -- JB On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:26:29 GMT, "Thomas Heineman" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>What planet are you from? > >Thomas > >"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> skrev i meddelandet >news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... >> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! >> >> 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a >> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! >> >> 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly >> filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, >> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels >> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. >> >> 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying >> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back >end >> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just >> causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at >> all. >> >> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over >any >> button. >> >> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish >> each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in >> any way competitively for previous reasons. >> >> 6) Mirrors don't work at all! >> >> 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no >> excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from >F1CS. >> >> 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it >> unplayable. >> >> I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I >> have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If >things >> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. >> >> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to >worry >> about from F1 2001. >> >> Shall we wait for the patch? >> >> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) >> >> Iain >> >> >> >> > >

Rob Adams wrote in message ... >I said it then and I'll say it now: I am NOT going to downgrade video >drivers to run one specific game when all the other games on my HD run >BETTER with the new drivers than with the old Hell yeah! Testify! You said it, Rob. Dale.

Sorry, you're very wrong there. The 21.81 (not 20.xx) drivers were a big leap forward from the 12.90s I was previously using on everything except F1 2001. Iain "JM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:F_nv7.12076$[email hidden]... > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:AQnv7.622962$[email hidden]... > > Jeez, nVidea seems to have done a pretty good job of getting Detonatorsto > > work w. everything from ancient TNTs to GF3s; dozens of cards in all.The > > very latest drivers are meant more for the GF3s, so small wonder theolder > > cards aren't happy. Big deal. I just want my video card to work; Idon't

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> > care with which drivers. > > > > As far as I can tell he downgraded his drivers when he installed the 20.XX > versions, being a completely pointless exercise in itself! > > cheers > John > > >

ALLOT of people agree with him there to :P On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:49:42 GMT, [email hidden] (John Bodin) wrote:

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> >You might also want to visit the High Gear forums -- a LOT of people >over there disagree with most of your assessment, it seems, including >a lot of F1RC, GP3, and GPL fans. > >-- JB >

I am quite surprised at this. I also saw F1 2001 at the SAP tent at the USGP. It looked essentially the same as F1 2000 CS. The framerate was fine and there were no issues like this at all. -- [email hidden] "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a > scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly > filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, > EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels > like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back end > comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at > all. > > 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over any > button. > > 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish > each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in > any way competitively for previous reasons. > > 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no > excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from F1CS. > > 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > unplayable. > > I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I > have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If things > don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to worry > about from F1 2001. > > Shall we wait for the patch? > > (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > > Iain > > > >

Hey Ian... Duh :-) -- [email hidden] "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > For better video performance, try running in windowed mode -- set the > parameter in the config.ini file to "1" (instead of "0"). This is a > known problem with newer Detonator drivers. > > You might also want to visit the High Gear forums -- a LOT of people > over there disagree with most of your assessment, it seems, including > a lot of F1RC, GP3, and GPL fans. > > -- JB > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly > >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back end > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at > >all. > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over any > >button. > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in > >any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from F1CS. > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > >unplayable. > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If things > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to worry > >about from F1 2001. > > > >Shall we wait for the patch? > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > > > >Iain > > > > > > > > >

Nonsense!! the 21.821 drivers have been a big improvement on my GF2 Ultra in everything else. It's a F1 2001 problem. Iain "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> The planet of pathetic driver mismatches, I think -- why else would > you use Detonator drivers that are optimized for the GeForce3 with a > GeForce2 Ultra? > > Alternate answer: The plant of people who have not yet learned the > advantages of running F1 2001 in windowed mode if you're using newer > Detonator drivers . . . > > :-p > > ;-) > > -- JB > > On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:26:29 GMT, "Thomas Heineman" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >What planet are you from? > > > >Thomas > > > >"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> skrev i meddelandet > >news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > >> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > >> > >> 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds

like a > >> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > >> > >> 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal andoverly > >> filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at anyres, > >> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks andfeels > >> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > >> > >> 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > >> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! Theback > >end > >> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > >> causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the carat

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> >> all. > >> > >> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over > >any > >> button. > >> > >> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars

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> >> excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from > >F1CS. > >> > >> 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > >> unplayable. > >> > >> I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as

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> >> have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If > >things > >> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > >> > >> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to > >worry > >> about from F1 2001. > >> > >> Shall we wait for the patch? > >> > >> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > >> > >> Iain > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >

Greg I had big hopes for this sim, but give me F1 2000 CS any day. Iain "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZQpv7.12295$[email hidden]...

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> I am quite surprised at this. I also saw F1 2001 at the SAP tent > at the USGP. It looked essentially the same as F1 2000 CS. The > framerate was fine and there were no issues like this at all. > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > > Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > > > 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like

a > > scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal andoverly > > filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at anyres, > > EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks andfeels

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> > like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > > several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back > end > > comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > > causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car

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> > all. > > > > 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over > any > > button. > > > > 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars

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> > excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from > F1CS. > > > > 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > > unplayable. > > > > I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as

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> > have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If > things > > don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to > worry > > about from F1 2001. > > > > Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > >

Iain..from reading all your posts here and in forums,and also studying most of the other guys posts in fair detail...i have a definite conclusion. PC's are not your forte in life,dont ever think they are. ...now what's that saying...?....tools..?....craftsmen..?...forgot.. Morgan "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:w_pv7.13970$[email hidden]...

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> Nonsense!! the 21.821 drivers have been a big improvement on my GF2 Ultra > in everything else. It's a F1 2001 problem. > Iain > > > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > The planet of pathetic driver mismatches, I think -- why else would > > you use Detonator drivers that are optimized for the GeForce3 with a > > GeForce2 Ultra? > > > > Alternate answer: The plant of people who have not yet learned the > > advantages of running F1 2001 in windowed mode if you're using newer > > Detonator drivers . . . > > > > :-p > > > > ;-) > > > > -- JB > > > > On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:26:29 GMT, "Thomas Heineman" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >What planet are you from? > > > > > >Thomas > > > > > >"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> skrev i

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> > >news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > > >> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > >> > > >> 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds > like a > > >> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > >> > > >> 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and > overly > > >> filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any > res, > > >> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and > feels > > >> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > >> > > >> 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite

trying > > >> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The > back > > >end > > >> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any descriptionjust > > >> causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with thecar > at > > >> all. > > >> > > >> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hoveringover > > >any > > >> button. > > >> > > >> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars > finish > > >> each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable torace > in > > >> any way competitively for previous reasons. > > >> > > >> 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > >> > > >> 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, thereis > no > > >> excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FFfrom > > >F1CS. > > >> > > >> 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and makeit > > >> unplayable. > > >> > > >> I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere,as > I > > >> have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If > > >things > > >> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > >> > > >> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothingto > > >worry > > >> about from F1 2001. > > >> > > >> Shall we wait for the patch? > > >> > > >> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512MbRAM)

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That's remarkably reminiscent of another game. What was it called again? Oh yes, F1 2000. "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]...

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> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a > scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly > filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, > EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels > like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back

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> button. > > 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish > each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in > any way competitively for previous reasons. > > 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no > excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from

F1CS. > > 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > unplayable. > > I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I > have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. Ifthings > don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing toworry

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> about from F1 2001. > > Shall we wait for the patch? > > (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > > Iain > > > >

You must be a GPL fanatic. Everything you've complained about, except one thing, has anything to do with the game being good or not so good. "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a > scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! >Irrlevant. > 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly > filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, > EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels > like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. >Disagree but still not relevant, as long as frame rate doesn't affect the play of the game. > 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The backend > comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at > all. >Though I disagree with this at least this one thing is actually to the game itself. > 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering overany > button. >Sound is irrating, I agree. But this, again, is irrelevant. > 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish > each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in > any way competitively for previous reasons. > Disagree-- can't see how any of the above reasons could be the reason for your being "unable to race in any way competitive", except for reason three. > 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > Try going to 16 bit. The mirrors work for me, just fine, though not at 32 bit. > 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no > excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF fromF1CS. > Who cares. > 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > unplayable. > That's probably your system's set up. > I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I > have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. Ifthings > don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > Seeing that it appears that you are wanting desparately to find things wrong with F1 2001-- my suspicion is that you're a GPL snob-- I have no doubt that you will find things. Oveall, I think most of your complaints have nothing to do with the way the game plays as a simulation. > GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing toworry > about from F1 2001. > A GPL snob with a little bit of anti-EA peppered in? > Shall we wait for the patch? > > (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > I'm running on XP also. I've not noticed what you've noticed, especially with the graphic's gliches. Alanb

That's really too bad since F1 2000 Cs is not all that great. Here's hoping for 2002! Todd "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:10qv7.13981$[email hidden]...

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> Greg > I had big hopes for this sim, but give me F1 2000 CS any day. > Iain > > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ZQpv7.12295$[email hidden]... > > I am quite surprised at this. I also saw F1 2001 at the SAP tent > > at the USGP. It looked essentially the same as F1 2000 CS. The > > framerate was fine and there were no issues like this at all. > > > > -- > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > > > Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > > > > > 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds

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> a > > > scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and > overly > > > filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any > res, > > > EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and > feels > > > like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite

trying > > > several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! Theback > > end > > > comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any descriptionjust > > > causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with thecar > at > > > all. > > > > > > 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hoveringover > > any > > > button. > > > > > > 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars > finish > > > each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable torace

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On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 23:48:14 GMT, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no >> excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from >F1CS. >> > >Who cares. Me! for one. You ever try a racing game on a FFB wheel when there are no forces? No? Well, it sucks - to put it bluntly.

"Dave Ryerson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 23:48:14 GMT, "Alan Bernardo" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >> 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, thereis no > >> excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FFfrom

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I have FF turned off in SCGT and F1CS2K because it is so bad in those games. All I could ever feel were bumps and collisions, there was no centering feel, no change in stiffness due to weight transfer, no loss of aligning torque when you exceed the traction limit. In short, none of the things that make FF worth having in a racing sim. So I for one am glad to see that the crappy FF will not be back in F1 2001. The fact that they didn't put FF in the PC release means we won't get it until they are satisfied that they have done it right. As for using an FF wheel without forces, it's very simple to do. In those games I have turned on a centering spring in the wheel's profiling software, and they work just fine that way. Plus unlike a non-FF wheel you can tune the stiffness to your liking. Perhaps your wheel has that capability too.

Calm down, John; Thomas there wasn't asking what planet *you* were from--I think his comments were directed at Iain. I don't think Iain has had much experience with GPL and his GF2/21.xx Det combo; a lot of people including me had trouble there and went back to the earlier drivers. He seems miffed at the VERY IDEA that the latest drivers aren't giving him the best performance. The other point seems to be that he'd rather have bad FF than no feedback at all. One of the F1 2001 designers seemed acutely embarrassed at the FF implementation in F1CS and said he'd rather have no FF than bad FF, promising a patch to solve the problem later on. Of course, a lot of people are still waiting for the patch for F1 2000. The only FF I've seen (or felt) that does anything to help you drive the car is Papy's (in GPL & N4), altho the implementation in Mobil 1 Rally Championship was near-great--I loved how *all* feeling went away when you were skating across a patch of the dreaded Black Ice (no, not the firewall). --Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:49 PM Subject: Re: F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

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> For better video performance, try running in windowed mode -- set the > parameter in the config.ini file to "1" (instead of "0"). This is a > known problem with newer Detonator drivers. > > You might also want to visit the High Gear forums -- a LOT of people > over there disagree with most of your assessment, it seems, including > a lot of F1RC, GP3, and GPL fans. > > -- JB > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like

a > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal andoverly > >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The backend > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the carat > >all. > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering overany > >button. > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to racein > >any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF fromF1CS. > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > >unplayable. > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. Ifthings > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing toworry

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"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> The planet of pathetic driver mismatches, I think -- why else would > you use Detonator drivers that are optimized for the GeForce3 with a > GeForce2 Ultra? > > Alternate answer: The plant of people who have not yet learned the > advantages of running F1 2001 in windowed mode if you're using newer > Detonator drivers . . . > > :-p > > ;-) > > -- JB > > On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:26:29 GMT, "Thomas Heineman" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >What planet are you from? > > > >Thomas > > > >"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> skrev i meddelandet > >news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > >> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > >> > >> 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds

like a > >> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > >> > >> 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal andoverly > >> filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at anyres, > >> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks andfeels > >> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > >> > >> 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > >> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! Theback > >end > >> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > >> causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the carat

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> >> have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If > >things > >> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > >> > >> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to > >worry > >> about from F1 2001. > >> > >> Shall we wait for the patch? > >> > >> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > >> > >> Iain > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >

It's really too early for anyone to say whether F1 2001 is good or not. These "first impression" reviews are sometimes based on surface things, like menus and menu sounds and a few crashes here and there. And oftentimes enough they are based on reviewers' emotional attachments to other similar type games, in this case GP3 and GPL. But what a person likes or dislikes, using these likes and dislikes as a basis for a "first impressions", is up to the person. The only thing is that I don't think others should shy away from getting a game just because one person, based on personal preferences and biases, says the game is no good. I myself, from a few spins with the game, think it's looking like a pretty nice title. I do notice some pauses in the video, which may be driver or system related. The sounds to me are fine, framerates are good, and overall the feeling of the game is excellent. Alanb "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kzsv7.104176$[email hidden]... > That's really too bad since F1 2000 Cs is not all that great. Here'shoping

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> for 2002! > > Todd > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:10qv7.13981$[email hidden]... > > Greg > > I had big hopes for this sim, but give me F1 2000 CS any day. > > Iain > > > > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ZQpv7.12295$[email hidden]... > > > I am quite surprised at this. I also saw F1 2001 at the SAP tent > > > at the USGP. It looked essentially the same as F1 2000 CS. The > > > framerate was fine and there were no issues like this at all. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > > > > Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > > > > > > > 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds > like > > a > > > > scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > > > 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and > > overly > > > > filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any > > res, > > > > EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and > > feels > > > > like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > > > 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite > trying > > > > several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The > back > > > end > > > > comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description > just > > > > causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the > car > > at > > > > all. > > > > > > > > 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering > over > > > any > > > > button. > > > > > > > > 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars > > finish > > > > each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to > race > > in > > > > any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > > > 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > > > 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there

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CART!

LOL! Should have known you'd be making an appearance somewhere in this thread. Hey, speaking of which, have the guys who did CART2K said anything about doing a CART mod for F1 2001? "TRUSRS85" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > CART!

"Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ntv7.620157$[email hidden]... (snip) The only FF I've seen (or > felt) that does anything to help you drive the car is Papy's (in GPL &N4), > altho the implementation in Mobil 1 Rally Championship was near-great--I > loved how *all* feeling went away when you were skating across a patch of > the dreaded Black Ice (no, not the firewall). You must never have tried GP3 1.13 or 2000 then ... Bart Westra

(snip) The only FF I've seen (or You must never have tried GP3 1.13 or 2000 then ... Bart Westra

Took the words right out of my mouth Bart. FF in GP3 is by far the best of any MODERN F1 sim. Put your foot down too much in 1st or 2nd and get that fight with the wheel! Iain "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9pmbbk$mba$[email hidden]...

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> > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3ntv7.620157$[email hidden]... > (snip) > The only FF I've seen (or > > felt) that does anything to help you drive the car is Papy's (in GPL & > N4), > > altho the implementation in Mobil 1 Rally Championship was near-great--I > > loved how *all* feeling went away when you were skating across a patch

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> > the dreaded Black Ice (no, not the firewall). > > You must never have tried GP3 1.13 or 2000 then ... > > Bart Westra > >

Steve Where did GPL come into this??? I know this is RAS, but that's taking ot a bit too far!!!! You mean F1 2001 obviously. Well, see another post from me on the difference it made getting rid of the 21.81 drivers. Iain "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ntv7.620157$[email hidden]... > Calm down, John; Thomas there wasn't asking what planet *you* were from--I > think his comments were directed at Iain. I don't think Iain has had much > experience with GPL and his GF2/21.xx Det combo; a lot of people including > me had trouble there and went back to the earlier drivers. He seemsmiffed > at the VERY IDEA that the latest drivers aren't giving him the best > performance. > > The other point seems to be that he'd rather have bad FF than no feedbackat > all. One of the F1 2001 designers seemed acutely embarrassed at the FF > implementation in F1CS and said he'd rather have no FF than bad FF, > promising a patch to solve the problem later on. Of course, a lot ofpeople > are still waiting for the patch for F1 2000. The only FF I've seen (or > felt) that does anything to help you drive the car is Papy's (in GPL &N4),

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> altho the implementation in Mobil 1 Rally Championship was near-great--I > loved how *all* feeling went away when you were skating across a patch of > the dreaded Black Ice (no, not the firewall). > > --Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> > Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: F1 2001 - first impressions!?! > > > > For better video performance, try running in windowed mode -- set the > > parameter in the config.ini file to "1" (instead of "0"). This is a > > known problem with newer Detonator drivers. > > > > You might also want to visit the High Gear forums -- a LOT of people > > over there disagree with most of your assessment, it seems, including > > a lot of F1RC, GP3, and GPL fans. > > > > -- JB > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds

like > a > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and > overly > > >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at anyres, > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks andfeels > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! Theback

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> end > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car > at > > >all. > > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over > any > > >button. > > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars

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> > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race > in > > >any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is

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> > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from > F1CS. > > > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > > >unplayable. > > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as

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> > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If > things > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to > worry > > >about from F1 2001. > > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > > > > > >Iain > > > > > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > The planet of pathetic driver mismatches, I think -- why else would > > you use Detonator drivers that are optimized for the GeForce3 with a > > GeForce2 Ultra? > > > > Alternate answer: The plant of people who have not yet learned the > > advantages of running F1 2001 in windowed mode if you're using newer > > Detonator drivers . . . > > > > :-p > > > > ;-) > > > > -- JB > > > > On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:26:29 GMT, "Thomas Heineman" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >What planet are you from? > > > > > >Thomas > > > > > >"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> skrev i

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> > >news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > > >> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > >> > > >> 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds > like a > > >> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > >> > > >> 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and > overly > > >> filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any > res, > > >> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and > feels > > >> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > >> > > >> 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite

trying > > >> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The > back > > >end > > >> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any descriptionjust > > >> causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with thecar > at > > >> all. > > >> > > >> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hoveringover > > >any > > >> button. > > >> > > >> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars > finish > > >> each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable torace > in > > >> any way competitively for previous reasons. > > >> > > >> 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > >> > > >> 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, thereis > no > > >> excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FFfrom > > >F1CS. > > >> > > >> 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and makeit > > >> unplayable. > > >> > > >> I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere,as > I > > >> have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If > > >things > > >> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > >> > > >> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothingto > > >worry > > >> about from F1 2001. > > >> > > >> Shall we wait for the patch? > > >> > > >> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512MbRAM)

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Morgan No idea what you are on about! I don't post in any forums - only on ras. In fact, PCs are my forte - as you put it - if not, then God knows how I've been earning my living for the last x years!!! Iain "Morgan Boof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9pldt0$7hp$[email hidden]... > Iain..from reading all your posts here and in forums,and also studyingmost

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> of the other guys posts in fair detail...i have a definite conclusion. > > PC's are not your forte in life,dont ever think they are. > > ...now what's that saying...?....tools..?....craftsmen..?...forgot.. > > Morgan > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:w_pv7.13970$[email hidden]... > > Nonsense!! the 21.821 drivers have been a big improvement on my GF2

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> > in everything else. It's a F1 2001 problem. > > Iain > > > > > > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > The planet of pathetic driver mismatches, I think -- why else would > > > you use Detonator drivers that are optimized for the GeForce3 with a > > > GeForce2 Ultra? > > > > > > Alternate answer: The plant of people who have not yet learned the > > > advantages of running F1 2001 in windowed mode if you're using newer > > > Detonator drivers . . . > > > > > > :-p > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:26:29 GMT, "Thomas Heineman" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >What planet are you from? > > > > > > > >Thomas > > > > > > > >"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> skrev i > meddelandet > > > >news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > > > >> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > > >> > > > >> 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds > > like a > > > >> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > >> > > > >> 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and > > overly > > > >> filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at

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> > res, > > > >> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and > > feels > > > >> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > >> > > > >> 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite > trying > > > >> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The > > back > > > >end > > > >> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description > just > > > >> causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the > car > > at > > > >> all. > > > >> > > > >> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering > over > > > >any > > > >> button. > > > >> > > > >> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars > > finish > > > >> each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to > race > > in > > > >> any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > >> > > > >> 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > >> > > > >> 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there > is > > no > > > >> excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF > from > > > >F1CS. > > > >> > > > >> 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make > it > > > >> unplayable. > > > >> > > > >> I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong

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> > > >things > > > >> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > >> > > > >> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing > to > > > >worry > > > >> about from F1 2001. > > > >> > > > >> Shall we wait for the patch? > > > >> > > > >> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb > RAM) > > > >> > > > >> Iain > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Thanks for being stud-muffin enuf to admit it! <BG> "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NVyv7.17253$[email hidden]... > Steve > Where did GPL come into this??? I know this is RAS, but that's taking ota > bit too far!!!! You mean F1 2001 obviously. Well, see another post fromme > on the difference it made getting rid of the 21.81 drivers. > Iain > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3ntv7.620157$[email hidden]... > > Calm down, John; Thomas there wasn't asking what planet *you* werefrom--I > > think his comments were directed at Iain. I don't think Iain has hadmuch > > experience with GPL and his GF2/21.xx Det combo; a lot of peopleincluding > > me had trouble there and went back to the earlier drivers. He seems > miffed > > at the VERY IDEA that the latest drivers aren't giving him the best > > performance. > > > > The other point seems to be that he'd rather have bad FF than nofeedback

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> at > > all. One of the F1 2001 designers seemed acutely embarrassed at the FF > > implementation in F1CS and said he'd rather have no FF than bad FF, > > promising a patch to solve the problem later on. Of course, a lot of > people > > are still waiting for the patch for F1 2000. The only FF I've seen (or > > felt) that does anything to help you drive the car is Papy's (in GPL & > N4), > > altho the implementation in Mobil 1 Rally Championship was near-great--I > > loved how *all* feeling went away when you were skating across a patch

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> > the dreaded Black Ice (no, not the firewall). > > > > --Steve > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> > > Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:49 PM > > Subject: Re: F1 2001 - first impressions!?! > > > > > > > For better video performance, try running in windowed mode -- set the > > > parameter in the config.ini file to "1" (instead of "0"). This is a > > > known problem with newer Detonator drivers. > > > > > > You might also want to visit the High Gear forums -- a LOT of people > > > over there disagree with most of your assessment, it seems, including > > > a lot of F1RC, GP3, and GPL fans. > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > > > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds > like > > a > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and > > overly > > > >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any > res, > > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and > feels > > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite

trying > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The > back > > end > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any descriptionjust > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with thecar > > at > > > >all. > > > > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hoveringover > > any > > > >button. > > > > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars > finish > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable torace > > in > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, thereis > no > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FFfrom > > F1CS. > > > > > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and makeit > > > >unplayable. > > > > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere,as > I > > > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If > > things > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothingto > > worry > > > >about from F1 2001. > > > > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512MbRAM)

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> > > > > > > >Iain > > > > > > > > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > The planet of pathetic driver mismatches, I think -- why else would > > > you use Detonator drivers that are optimized for the GeForce3 with a > > > GeForce2 Ultra? > > > > > > Alternate answer: The plant of people who have not yet learned the > > > advantages of running F1 2001 in windowed mode if you're using newer > > > Detonator drivers . . . > > > > > > :-p > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:26:29 GMT, "Thomas Heineman" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >What planet are you from? > > > > > > > >Thomas > > > > > > > >"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> skrev i > meddelandet > > > >news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > > > >> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > > >> > > > >> 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds > > like a > > > >> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > >> > > > >> 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and > > overly > > > >> filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at

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> > res, > > > >> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and > > feels > > > >> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > >> > > > >> 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite > trying > > > >> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The > > back > > > >end > > > >> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description > just > > > >> causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the > car > > at > > > >> all. > > > >> > > > >> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering > over > > > >any > > > >> button. > > > >> > > > >> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars > > finish > > > >> each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to > race > > in > > > >> any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > >> > > > >> 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > >> > > > >> 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there > is > > no > > > >> excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF > from > > > >F1CS. > > > >> > > > >> 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make > it > > > >> unplayable. > > > >> > > > >> I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong

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> > > >things > > > >> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > >> > > > >> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing > to > > > >worry > > > >> about from F1 2001. > > > >> > > > >> Shall we wait for the patch? > > > >> > > > >> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb > RAM) > > > >> > > > >> Iain > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

No CART mods planned, but how about a retail CART sim based on the F1 2001 physics engine? :-D -- JB On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 06:53:47 GMT, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>LOL! Should have known you'd be making an appearance somewhere in this >thread. > >Hey, speaking of which, have the guys who did CART2K said anything about >doing a CART mod for F1 2001? > > >"TRUSRS85" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> CART! >

This is truely sad after some of the hype before hand! phew "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]...

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| Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! | | 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a | scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! | | 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly | filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, | EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels | like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. | | 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying | several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back

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| button. | | 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish | each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in | any way competitively for previous reasons. | | 6) Mirrors don't work at all! | | 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no | excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from

F1CS. | | 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it | unplayable. | | I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I | have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. Ifthings | don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. | | GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing toworry

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| about from F1 2001. | | Shall we wait for the patch? | | (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) | | Iain | | | |

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Why 'o why do you guys fall for the same EA joke?!? Time after time ... - or title after title - that is! -- ed_ Iain Mackenzie <[email hidden]> skrev i news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a > scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly > filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, > EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels > like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back end > comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at > all. > > 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over any > button. > > 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish > each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in > any way competitively for previous reasons. > > 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no > excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from F1CS. > > 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > unplayable. > > I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I > have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If things > don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to worry > about from F1 2001. > > Shall we wait for the patch? > > (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > > Iain > > > >

On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! Ian, we are both GP3 fans, so we have a similar starting point. > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! The engine sound is better than F1RC, and we all know default sounds are bad anyway. These will be easy to fix. I kinda liked the skid sound. > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any res, >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. I thought the graphics were ok, albeit cartoony. There is a tick box for FSAA, and setting that did bring on the glitch. I turned that off, and turned FSAA on for the card, and it seemed ok. This is 1024, high car and track, everything else medium. The Ferrari steering wheel in the cockpit was very nice. The driver arms are pretty weird. > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back end >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at >all. Yeah, you get that floaty feeling that was bad but not as noticeable in F12K. I am still working on settings that will allow me to put the car where I want it. Not even close yet.

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>4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over any >button. > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in >any way competitively for previous reasons. > >6) Mirrors don't work at all!

That is curious, same here. There is a place to turn them on, but it doesn't make any difference. Tied into framerate somehow? I noticed that some video changes would result in red graphics, telling you (I guess) that this was too high for your card as benchmarked (which it does at the setup). >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from F1CS. None. Not even the imaginary FF of F12K. I cannot comprehend this. >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it >unplayable. I have not had that problem...yet. > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If things >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. I'm waiting for a while to see how the mods change things. But, without FF, it will never be played. >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to worry >about from F1 2001. >Amen >Shall we wait for the patch? No. Wait for the real developers: the guys doing the mods. > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) 733/GTS/128 here. Latest det drivers are no problem here, except for the FSAA snafu. > >Iain > > >

I had heard that rumor, too. Any official announcement yet? "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> No CART mods planned, but how about a retail CART sim based on the F1 > 2001 physics engine? > > :-D > > -- JB > > On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 06:53:47 GMT, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >LOL! Should have known you'd be making an appearance somewhere in

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> >doing a CART mod for F1 2001? > > > > > >"TRUSRS85" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> CART! > > >

Iain, all, For a deeper explanation of the performance differences betw. the various Detonators, I recommend: http://f1gamers.com/cgi-bin/f1/link.pl?http://www.guru3d.com/detonator-dbase / --Steve "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SiCv7.620817$[email hidden]... > Thanks for being stud-muffin enuf to admit it! <BG> > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:NVyv7.17253$[email hidden]... > > Steve > > Where did GPL come into this??? I know this is RAS, but that's takingot

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> a > > bit too far!!!! You mean F1 2001 obviously. Well, see another post from > me > > on the difference it made getting rid of the 21.81 drivers. > > Iain > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3ntv7.620157$[email hidden]... > > > Calm down, John; Thomas there wasn't asking what planet *you* were > from--I > > > think his comments were directed at Iain. I don't think Iain has had > much > > > experience with GPL and his GF2/21.xx Det combo; a lot of people > including > > > me had trouble there and went back to the earlier drivers. He seems > > miffed > > > at the VERY IDEA that the latest drivers aren't giving him the best > > > performance. > > > > > > The other point seems to be that he'd rather have bad FF than no > feedback > > at > > > all. One of the F1 2001 designers seemed acutely embarrassed at the

FF > > > implementation in F1CS and said he'd rather have no FF than bad FF, > > > promising a patch to solve the problem later on. Of course, a lot of > > people > > > are still waiting for the patch for F1 2000. The only FF I've seen(or > > > felt) that does anything to help you drive the car is Papy's (in GPL & > > N4), > > > altho the implementation in Mobil 1 Rally Championship wasnear-great--I

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the > > > > parameter in the config.ini file to "1" (instead of "0"). This is a > > > > known problem with newer Detonator drivers. > > > > > > > > You might also want to visit the High Gear forums -- a LOT of people > > > > over there disagree with most of your assessment, it seems,including

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> > res, > > > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and > > feels > > > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite > trying > > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The > > back > > > end > > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description > just > > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the > car > > > at > > > > >all. > > > > > > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering > over > > > any > > > > >button. > > > > > > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars > > finish > > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to > race > > > in > > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there > is > > no > > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF > from > > > F1CS. > > > > > > > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make > it > > > > >unplayable. > > > > > > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong

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> > > things > > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing > to > > > worry > > > > >about from F1 2001. > > > > > > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb > RAM) > > > > > > > > > >Iain > > > > > > > > > > > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > The planet of pathetic driver mismatches, I think -- why else would > > > > you use Detonator drivers that are optimized for the GeForce3 with a > > > > GeForce2 Ultra? > > > > > > > > Alternate answer: The plant of people who have not yet learned the > > > > advantages of running F1 2001 in windowed mode if you're using newer > > > > Detonator drivers . . . > > > > > > > > :-p > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:26:29 GMT, "Thomas Heineman" > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >What planet are you from? > > > > > > > > > >Thomas > > > > > > > > > >"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> skrev i > > meddelandet > > > > >news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > > > > >> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very

poor! > > > > >> > > > > >> 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skiddingsounds > > > like a > > > > >> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > >> > > > > >> 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unrealand > > > overly > > > > >> filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at > any > > > res, > > > > >> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looksand > > > feels > > > > >> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > >> > > > > >> 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite > > trying > > > > >> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car!The > > > back > > > > >end > > > > >> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of anydescription > > just > > > > >> causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch withthe > > car > > > at > > > > >> all. > > > > >> > > > > >> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up whenhovering > > over > > > > >any > > > > >> button. > > > > >> > > > > >> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5cars > > > finish > > > > >> each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unableto

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>I have FF turned off in SCGT and F1CS2K because it is so bad in those >games. All I could ever feel were bumps and collisions, there was no >centering feel, no change in stiffness due to weight transfer, no loss >of aligning torque when you exceed the traction limit. In short, none >of the things that make FF worth having in a racing sim. So I for one >am glad to see that the crappy FF will not be back in F1 2001. The fact >that they didn't put FF in the PC release means we won't get it until >they are satisfied that they have done it right. As for using an FF >wheel without forces, it's very simple to do. In those games I have >turned on a centering spring in the wheel's profiling software, and they >work just fine that way. Plus unlike a non-FF wheel you can tune the >stiffness to your liking. Perhaps your wheel has that capability too.

Yes, it does, although Papy sims turn it off at their discretion. :-( I also have a non-FFB wheel, conveniently neglected to mention that bit before. :-)

Thanks Steve but I've seen that article before and it isn't particularly useful. It doesn't include anything to do with the 21.81s which is what the F1 2001 debate is all about. All that article confims is that the 12.90s are the best of the rest and I've known that for some time now. I've tried and tested a lot of the drivers over the last year! Until the 21.81 set was released I've always used the 12.90s. The reason I changed to 21.81 is because they are XP compatible and that is what I use. In everything I use I saw the benefits of the 21.81s especially 2D stuff, UNTIL F1 2001 came along. Basically it just doesn't work properly with the 21.81s. But, as I said in one of my posts, reverting back to the 12.90s has fixed all the problems. Incidentally I get around 4500 on 3DBenchamrk 2001 with the 12.90s and 4650 with the 21.81s. Iain "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:igGv7.622215$[email hidden]... > Iain, all, > > For a deeper explanation of the performance differences betw. the various > Detonators, I recommend: > >http://f1gamers.com/cgi-bin/f1/link.pl?http://www.guru3d.com/detonator-dbase

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I have encountered all of the aforementioned stuff as well. But in addition to that, my steering input seems slightly delayed. I go to turn the wheel, and the steering wheel in the game doesn't respond immediately. I even have the dead zone at 0%. Heh, I've honestly tried a dozen times to sucessfully make it through turns 1, 2, & 3 at Indy, and have yet to do it without spinning. :-( Back to F1CS2000 for me. "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FkIv7.20744$[email hidden]... > Have a look at my later post on 'second impressions'! Changing to my old > 12.90 drivers cured almost all the problems I was having. Now I think F1 > 2001 is really very good, but I'll leave a proper opinion for a fewfurther

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> testing days yet! > Iain > > > "Chairborne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3bbf1fa7.2163793@news-server... > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > > > Ian, we are both GP3 fans, so we have a similar starting point. > > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds

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> a > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > The engine sound is better than F1RC, and we all know default sounds > > are bad anyway. These will be easy to fix. I kinda liked the skid > > sound. > > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and > overly > > >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any

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> > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > I thought the graphics were ok, albeit cartoony. There is a tick box > > for FSAA, and setting that did bring on the glitch. I turned that > > off, and turned FSAA on for the card, and it seemed ok. This is 1024, > > high car and track, everything else medium. The Ferrari steering > > wheel in the cockpit was very nice. The driver arms are pretty weird. > > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The

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> end > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car > at > > >all. > > > > Yeah, you get that floaty feeling that was bad but not as noticeable > > in F12K. I am still working on settings that will allow me to put the > > car where I want it. Not even close yet. > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over > any > > >button. > > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars

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> > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from > F1CS. > > > > None. Not even the imaginary FF of F12K. I cannot comprehend this. > > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > > >unplayable. > > > > I have not had that problem...yet. > > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as

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> > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If > things > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > I'm waiting for a while to see how the mods change things. But, > > without FF, it will never be played. > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to > worry > > >about from F1 2001. > > > > > Amen > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > No. Wait for the real developers: the guys doing the mods. > > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > > > > 733/GTS/128 here. Latest det drivers are no problem here, except for > > the FSAA snafu. > > > > > >Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Yep I had the same problem until I changed (video) drivers (!) and tweaked with the wheel settings. What wheel are you using? Iain "Jimmy Sparks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1CIv7.69424$[email hidden]... > I have encountered all of the aforementioned stuff as well. But inaddition > to that, my steering input seems slightly delayed. I go to turn thewheel, > and the steering wheel in the game doesn't respond immediately. I evenhave > the dead zone at 0%. Heh, I've honestly tried a dozen times tosucessfully

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> make it through turns 1, 2, & 3 at Indy, and have yet to do it without > spinning. :-( > > Back to F1CS2000 for me. > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:FkIv7.20744$[email hidden]... > > Have a look at my later post on 'second impressions'! Changing to my

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> > 2001 is really very good, but I'll leave a proper opinion for a few > further > > testing days yet! > > Iain > > > > > > "Chairborne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3bbf1fa7.2163793@news-server... > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > > > > > Ian, we are both GP3 fans, so we have a similar starting point. > > > > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds > like > > a > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > The engine sound is better than F1RC, and we all know default sounds > > > are bad anyway. These will be easy to fix. I kinda liked the skid > > > sound. > > > > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and > > overly > > > >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any > res, > > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and > feels > > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > I thought the graphics were ok, albeit cartoony. There is a tick box > > > for FSAA, and setting that did bring on the glitch. I turned that > > > off, and turned FSAA on for the card, and it seemed ok. This is 1024, > > > high car and track, everything else medium. The Ferrari steering > > > wheel in the cockpit was very nice. The driver arms are pretty weird. > > > > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite

trying > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The > back > > end > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any descriptionjust > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with thecar

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> > in > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > That is curious, same here. There is a place to turn them on, but it > > > doesn't make any difference. Tied into framerate somehow? I noticed > > > that some video changes would result in red graphics, telling you (I > > > guess) that this was too high for your card as benchmarked (which it > > > does at the setup). > > > > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there

is > no > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FFfrom > > F1CS. > > > > > > None. Not even the imaginary FF of F12K. I cannot comprehend this. > > > > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and makeit > > > >unplayable. > > > > > > I have not had that problem...yet. > > > > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere,as

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> I > > > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If > > things > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > I'm waiting for a while to see how the mods change things. But, > > > without FF, it will never be played. > > > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing

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> > worry > > > >about from F1 2001. > > > > > > > Amen > > > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > No. Wait for the real developers: the guys doing the mods. > > > > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb

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> > > > > > 733/GTS/128 here. Latest det drivers are no problem here, except for > > > the FSAA snafu. > > > > > > > >Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

LWFF. After I posted, I went thru some of the previous posts to this thread, and saw the 12.90 det change idea (I am using 21.81's in WinME) I suppose I'll try the 12.90's and fire it up again. "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O%Iv7.22135$[email hidden]...

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> Yep I had the same problem until I changed (video) drivers (!) and tweaked > with the wheel settings. What wheel are you using? > Iain > > "Jimmy Sparks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:1CIv7.69424$[email hidden]... > > I have encountered all of the aforementioned stuff as well. But in > addition > > to that, my steering input seems slightly delayed. I go to turn the > wheel, > > and the steering wheel in the game doesn't respond immediately. I even > have > > the dead zone at 0%. Heh, I've honestly tried a dozen times to > sucessfully > > make it through turns 1, 2, & 3 at Indy, and have yet to do it without > > spinning. :-( > > > > Back to F1CS2000 for me. > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:FkIv7.20744$[email hidden]... > > > Have a look at my later post on 'second impressions'! Changing to my > old > > > 12.90 drivers cured almost all the problems I was having. Now I think > F1 > > > 2001 is really very good, but I'll leave a proper opinion for a few > > further > > > testing days yet! > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > "Chairborne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:3bbf1fa7.2163793@news-server... > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > > > > > > > Ian, we are both GP3 fans, so we have a similar starting point. > > > > > > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds > > like > > > a > > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > > > The engine sound is better than F1RC, and we all know default sounds > > > > are bad anyway. These will be easy to fix. I kinda liked the skid > > > > sound. > > > > > > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and > > > overly > > > > >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at

any > > res, > > > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and > > feels > > > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > > > I thought the graphics were ok, albeit cartoony. There is a tickbox > > > > for FSAA, and setting that did bring on the glitch. I turned that > > > > off, and turned FSAA on for the card, and it seemed ok. This is1024, > > > > high car and track, everything else medium. The Ferrari steering > > > > wheel in the cockpit was very nice. The driver arms are prettyweird.

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> > > > > > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite > trying > > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The > > back > > > end > > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description > just > > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the > car > > > at > > > > >all. > > > > > > > > Yeah, you get that floaty feeling that was bad but not as noticeable > > > > in F12K. I am still working on settings that will allow me to put

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> > > > car where I want it. Not even close yet. > > > > > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering > over > > > any > > > > >button. > > > > > > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars > > finish > > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to > race > > > in > > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > > > That is curious, same here. There is a place to turn them on, but

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> > > > that some video changes would result in red graphics, telling you (I > > > > guess) that this was too high for your card as benchmarked (which it > > > > does at the setup). > > > > > > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there > is > > no > > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF > from > > > F1CS. > > > > > > > > None. Not even the imaginary FF of F12K. I cannot comprehend this. > > > > > > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make > it > > > > >unplayable. > > > > > > > > I have not had that problem...yet. > > > > > > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong

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> > > things > > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > > > I'm waiting for a while to see how the mods change things. But, > > > > without FF, it will never be played. > > > > > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing > to > > > worry > > > > >about from F1 2001. > > > > > > > > > Amen > > > > > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > > > No. Wait for the real developers: the guys doing the mods. > > > > > > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb > RAM) > > > > > > > > 733/GTS/128 here. Latest det drivers are no problem here, except

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (John Bodin) writes: >No CART mods planned, but how about a retail CART sim based on the F1 >2001 physics engine? I'll believe it when I see it...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <J9Fv7.10729$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> writes: >Why 'o why do you guys fall for the same EA joke?!? > Time after time ... - or title after title - that is! Do you own any EA(racing) titles? Just curious. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:thIv7.20731$[email hidden]... > Thanks Steve but I've seen that article before and it isn't particularly > useful. It doesn't include anything to do with the 21.81s which is whatthe > F1 2001 debate is all about. > All that article confims is that the 12.90s are the best of the rest and > I've known that for some time now. I've tried and tested a lot of the > drivers over the last year! > Until the 21.81 set was released I've always used the 12.90s. > The reason I changed to 21.81 is because they are XP compatible and thatis > what I use. In everything I use I saw the benefits of the 21.81sespecially > 2D stuff, UNTIL F1 2001 came along. Basically it just doesn't workproperly > with the 21.81s. > But, as I said in one of my posts, reverting back to the 12.90s has fixed > all the problems. > Incidentally I get around 4500 on 3DBenchamrk 2001 with the 12.90s and4650 > with the 21.81s. > Iain I have problems in GPL and N4 with the 21.81 drivers on a Geforce 2 GTS in W98. In GPL, when I race Kyalami online, about half way the track triangles and planes show up. It doesn't happen when I first start an offline race and then go to Kyalami online from the same instance of GPL. In N4, I got the same problem rightaway in offline racing. In both cases going back to the 12.90 drivers cured it. So F1 2001 is not alone in this respect.... Bart Westra

Iain, Windows XP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No WONDER yer F1 2001 doesn't work. What did you expect from an OS built for MS Office, not players of The One True Calling--racing games--? (At least you found F1 2001; I'm still looking.) --Steve "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:thIv7.20731$[email hidden]... > Thanks Steve but I've seen that article before and it isn't particularly > useful. It doesn't include anything to do with the 21.81s which is whatthe > F1 2001 debate is all about. > All that article confims is that the 12.90s are the best of the rest and > I've known that for some time now. I've tried and tested a lot of the > drivers over the last year! > Until the 21.81 set was released I've always used the 12.90s. > The reason I changed to 21.81 is because they are XP compatible and thatis > what I use. In everything I use I saw the benefits of the 21.81sespecially > 2D stuff, UNTIL F1 2001 came along. Basically it just doesn't workproperly > with the 21.81s. > But, as I said in one of my posts, reverting back to the 12.90s has fixed > all the problems. > Incidentally I get around 4500 on 3DBenchamrk 2001 with the 12.90s and4650

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various > > Detonators, I recommend: > > > > >http://f1gamers.com/cgi-bin/f1/link.pl?http://www.guru3d.com/detonator-dbase

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> > / > > > > --Steve > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:SiCv7.620817$[email hidden]... > > > Thanks for being stud-muffin enuf to admit it! <BG> > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:NVyv7.17253$[email hidden]... > > > > Steve > > > > Where did GPL come into this??? I know this is RAS, but that's

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> > ot > > > a > > > > bit too far!!!! You mean F1 2001 obviously. Well, see another post > from > > > me > > > > on the difference it made getting rid of the 21.81 drivers. > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:3ntv7.620157$[email hidden]... > > > > > Calm down, John; Thomas there wasn't asking what planet *you* were > > > from--I > > > > > think his comments were directed at Iain. I don't think Iain has > had > > > much > > > > > experience with GPL and his GF2/21.xx Det combo; a lot of people > > > including > > > > > me had trouble there and went back to the earlier drivers. He

seems > > > > miffed > > > > > at the VERY IDEA that the latest drivers aren't giving him thebest > > > > > performance. > > > > > > > > > > The other point seems to be that he'd rather have bad FF than no > > > feedback > > > > at > > > > > all. One of the F1 2001 designers seemed acutely embarrassed atthe > > FF > > > > > implementation in F1CS and said he'd rather have no FF than badFF, > > > > > promising a patch to solve the problem later on. Of course, a lot > of > > > > people > > > > > are still waiting for the patch for F1 2000. The only FF I'veseen > > (or > > > > > felt) that does anything to help you drive the car is Papy's (inGPL

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> & > > > > N4), > > > > > altho the implementation in Mobil 1 Rally Championship was > > near-great--I > > > > > loved how *all* feeling went away when you were skating across a > patch > > > of > > > > > the dreaded Black Ice (no, not the firewall). > > > > > > > > > > --Steve > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> > > > > > Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:49 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: F1 2001 - first impressions!?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For better video performance, try running in windowed mode --

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> a > > > > > > known problem with newer Detonator drivers. > > > > > > > > > > > > You might also want to visit the High Gear forums -- a LOT of > people > > > > > > over there disagree with most of your assessment, it seems, > > including > > > > > > a lot of F1RC, GP3, and GPL fans. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very > poor! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding > sounds > > > > like > > > > > a > > > > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal > and > > > > > overly > > > > > > >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK

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> > > trying > > > > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! > The > > > > back > > > > > end > > > > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any > description > > > just > > > > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with > the > > > car > > > > > at > > > > > > >all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when > hovering > > > over > > > > > any > > > > > > >button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 > cars > > > > finish > > > > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable > to > > > race > > > > > in > > > > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, > there > > > is > > > > no > > > > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect)

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> > If > > > > > things > > > > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have > nothing > > > to > > > > > worry > > > > > > >about from F1 2001. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, > 512Mb > > > RAM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > The planet of pathetic driver mismatches, I think -- why else > would > > > > > > you use Detonator drivers that are optimized for the GeForce3

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> > the > > > > car > > > > > at > > > > > > >> all. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when > > hovering > > > > over > > > > > > >any > > > > > > >> button. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 > > cars > > > > > finish > > > > > > >> each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am

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> > to > > > > race > > > > > in > > > > > > >> any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, > > there > > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > >> excuse for this. They could have used the (less than

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> > make > > > > it > > > > > > >> unplayable. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong > > > somewhere, > > > > as > > > > > I > > > > > > >> have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll > find. > > > If > > > > > > >things > > > > > > >> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have > > nothing > > > > to > > > > > > >worry > > > > > > >> about from F1 2001. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, > > 512Mb > > > > RAM) > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Iain > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Alrighty then, so switching from 21.81's to 12.90's make an UNBELIEVABLE difference, hehe. Now I'm trying to get used to this IRL'ish back-wanting-to-always-come-around phenomenon :-) "Jimmy Sparks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DFJv7.75958$[email hidden]...

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> LWFF. > > After I posted, I went thru some of the previous posts to this thread, and > saw the 12.90 det change idea (I am using 21.81's in WinME) > > I suppose I'll try the 12.90's and fire it up again. > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:O%Iv7.22135$[email hidden]... > > Yep I had the same problem until I changed (video) drivers (!) and

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> > with the wheel settings. What wheel are you using? > > Iain > > > > "Jimmy Sparks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:1CIv7.69424$[email hidden]... > > > I have encountered all of the aforementioned stuff as well. But in > > addition > > > to that, my steering input seems slightly delayed. I go to turn the > > wheel, > > > and the steering wheel in the game doesn't respond immediately. I

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> > have > > > the dead zone at 0%. Heh, I've honestly tried a dozen times to > > sucessfully > > > make it through turns 1, 2, & 3 at Indy, and have yet to do it without > > > spinning. :-( > > > > > > Back to F1CS2000 for me. > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:FkIv7.20744$[email hidden]... > > > > Have a look at my later post on 'second impressions'! Changing to

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> > F1 > > > > 2001 is really very good, but I'll leave a proper opinion for a few > > > further > > > > testing days yet! > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > "Chairborne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:3bbf1fa7.2163793@news-server... > > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very

poor! > > > > > > > > > > Ian, we are both GP3 fans, so we have a similar starting point. > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skiddingsounds > > > like > > > > a > > > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > > > > > The engine sound is better than F1RC, and we all know defaultsounds > > > > > are bad anyway. These will be easy to fix. I kinda liked theskid > > > > > sound. > > > > > > > > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unrealand > > > > overly > > > > > >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at > any > > > res, > > > > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looksand

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> > > feels > > > > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > > > > > I thought the graphics were ok, albeit cartoony. There is a tick > box > > > > > for FSAA, and setting that did bring on the glitch. I turned that > > > > > off, and turned FSAA on for the card, and it seemed ok. This is > 1024, > > > > > high car and track, everything else medium. The Ferrari steering > > > > > wheel in the cockpit was very nice. The driver arms are pretty > weird. > > > > > > > > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite > > trying > > > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car!

The > > > back > > > > end > > > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of anydescription > > just > > > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch withthe > > car > > > > at > > > > > >all. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you get that floaty feeling that was bad but not asnoticeable > > > > > in F12K. I am still working on settings that will allow me to put > the > > > > > car where I want it. Not even close yet. > > > > > > > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up whenhovering > > over > > > > any > > > > > >button. > > > > > > > > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5cars > > > finish > > > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unableto

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> > race > > > > in > > > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > > > > > That is curious, same here. There is a place to turn them on, but > it > > > > > doesn't make any difference. Tied into framerate somehow? I > noticed > > > > > that some video changes would result in red graphics, telling you

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> > is > > > no > > > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF > > from > > > > F1CS. > > > > > > > > > > None. Not even the imaginary FF of F12K. I cannot comprehend

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> > it > > > > > >unplayable. > > > > > > > > > > I have not had that problem...yet. > > > > > > > > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong > somewhere, > > as > > > I > > > > > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. > If > > > > things > > > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > > > > > I'm waiting for a while to see how the mods change things. But, > > > > > without FF, it will never be played. > > > > > > > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have

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> > RAM) > > > > > > > > > > 733/GTS/128 here. Latest det drivers are no problem here, except > for > > > > > the FSAA snafu. > > > > > > > > > > > >Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

They were hinting and hemming & hawwing about that. I was wondering what sim they would finally use...Cs2k or 2001. I guess JB has answered that eh? dave henrie "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> No CART mods planned, but how about a retail CART sim based on the F1 > 2001 physics engine? > > :-D > > -- JB > > On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 06:53:47 GMT, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >LOL! Should have known you'd be making an appearance somewhere in this > >thread. > > > >Hey, speaking of which, have the guys who did CART2K said anything about > >doing a CART mod for F1 2001? > > > > > >"TRUSRS85" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> CART! > > >

No Steve! XP is by far the best of the Windows OSs I've come across, and I've tried them all from 3.1 onwards! It is stable, looks good, has lots of extra bells and whistles, and I get a better 3DMark 2001 score than ME. The 21.81 drivers for XP as I've said, are excellent in everything else except F1 2001. I noticed last night that 21.85s have been leaked and some people are reporting very good things from them. If I've got the mental strength I'll try them later! Iain "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lUMv7.622651$[email hidden]... > Iain, > > Windows XP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No WONDER yer F1 2001 doesn't work. Whatdid

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> you expect from an OS built for MS Office, not players of The One True > Calling--racing games--? (At least you found F1 2001; I'm still looking.) > > --Steve > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:thIv7.20731$[email hidden]... > > Thanks Steve but I've seen that article before and it isn't particularly > > useful. It doesn't include anything to do with the 21.81s which is what > the > > F1 2001 debate is all about. > > All that article confims is that the 12.90s are the best of the rest and > > I've known that for some time now. I've tried and tested a lot of the > > drivers over the last year! > > Until the 21.81 set was released I've always used the 12.90s. > > The reason I changed to 21.81 is because they are XP compatible and that > is > > what I use. In everything I use I saw the benefits of the 21.81s > especially > > 2D stuff, UNTIL F1 2001 came along. Basically it just doesn't work > properly > > with the 21.81s. > > But, as I said in one of my posts, reverting back to the 12.90s has

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> > all the problems. > > Incidentally I get around 4500 on 3DBenchamrk 2001 with the 12.90s and > 4650 > > with the 21.81s. > > Iain > > > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:igGv7.622215$[email hidden]... > > > Iain, all, > > > > > > For a deeper explanation of the performance differences betw. the > various > > > Detonators, I recommend: > > > > > > > > >

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> > > / > > > > > > --Steve > > > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:SiCv7.620817$[email hidden]... > > > > Thanks for being stud-muffin enuf to admit it! <BG> > > > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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> > > > news:NVyv7.17253$[email hidden]... > > > > > Steve > > > > > Where did GPL come into this??? I know this is RAS, but that's > taking > > > ot > > > > a > > > > > bit too far!!!! You mean F1 2001 obviously. Well, see another

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> > from > > > > me > > > > > on the difference it made getting rid of the 21.81 drivers. > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:3ntv7.620157$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Calm down, John; Thomas there wasn't asking what planet *you*

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> > had > > > > much > > > > > > experience with GPL and his GF2/21.xx Det combo; a lot of people > > > > including > > > > > > me had trouble there and went back to the earlier drivers. He > seems > > > > > miffed > > > > > > at the VERY IDEA that the latest drivers aren't giving him the > best > > > > > > performance. > > > > > > > > > > > > The other point seems to be that he'd rather have bad FF than no > > > > feedback > > > > > at > > > > > > all. One of the F1 2001 designers seemed acutely embarrassed at > the > > > FF > > > > > > implementation in F1CS and said he'd rather have no FF than bad > FF, > > > > > > promising a patch to solve the problem later on. Of course, a

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> > of > > > > > people > > > > > > are still waiting for the patch for F1 2000. The only FF I've > seen > > > (or > > > > > > felt) that does anything to help you drive the car is Papy's (in > GPL > > & > > > > > N4), > > > > > > altho the implementation in Mobil 1 Rally Championship was > > > near-great--I > > > > > > loved how *all* feeling went away when you were skating across a > > patch > > > > of > > > > > > the dreaded Black Ice (no, not the firewall). > > > > > > > > > > > > --Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> > > > > > > Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators > > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:49 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: F1 2001 - first impressions!?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For better video performance, try running in windowed mode -- > set > > > the > > > > > > > parameter in the config.ini file to "1" (instead of "0").

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> is > > a > > > > > > > known problem with newer Detonator drivers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might also want to visit the High Gear forums -- a LOT of > > people > > > > > > > over there disagree with most of your assessment, it seems, > > > including > > > > > > > a lot of F1RC, GP3, and GPL fans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very > > poor! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding > > sounds > > > > > like > > > > > > a > > > > > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very

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> > the > > > > car > > > > > > at > > > > > > > >all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when > > hovering > > > > over > > > > > > any > > > > > > > >button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 > > cars > > > > > finish > > > > > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am

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> > make > > > > it > > > > > > > >unplayable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong > > > somewhere, > > > > as > > > > > I > > > > > > > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll > find. > > > If > > > > > > things > > > > > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have > > nothing > > > > to > > > > > > worry > > > > > > > >about from F1 2001. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, > > 512Mb > > > > RAM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > The planet of pathetic driver mismatches, I think -- why else > > would > > > > > > > you use Detonator drivers that are optimized for the GeForce3 > with > > a > > > > > > > GeForce2 Ultra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alternate answer: The plant of people who have not yet

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Glad to hear it. They've got to sort out that problem as a lot of people wouldn't be aware of the fact that they have to install older drivers to get it to work properly. 21.85s have been leaked, I'll try them later. F1 2001 is rapidly becoming my favoutite modern F1 sim! I can't really find any major faults now! Iain "Jimmy Sparks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dNNv7.69648$[email hidden]...

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> Alrighty then, so switching from 21.81's to 12.90's make an UNBELIEVABLE > difference, hehe. > > Now I'm trying to get used to this IRL'ish > back-wanting-to-always-come-around phenomenon :-) > > "Jimmy Sparks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:DFJv7.75958$[email hidden]... > > LWFF. > > > > After I posted, I went thru some of the previous posts to this thread,

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> > > > further > > > > > testing days yet! > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Chairborne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:3bbf1fa7.2163793@news-server... > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very > poor! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian, we are both GP3 fans, so we have a similar starting point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding > sounds > > > > like > > > > > a > > > > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > > > > > > > The engine sound is better than F1RC, and we all know default > sounds > > > > > > are bad anyway. These will be easy to fix. I kinda liked the > skid > > > > > > sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal > and > > > > > overly > > > > > > >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK

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> > any > > > > res, > > > > > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks > and > > > > feels > > > > > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the graphics were ok, albeit cartoony. There is a

tick > > box > > > > > > for FSAA, and setting that did bring on the glitch. I turnedthat > > > > > > off, and turned FSAA on for the card, and it seemed ok. This is > > 1024, > > > > > > high car and track, everything else medium. The Ferraristeering > > > > > > wheel in the cockpit was very nice. The driver arms are pretty > > weird. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheeldespite

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> > > trying > > > > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! > The > > > > back > > > > > end > > > > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any > description > > > just > > > > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with > the > > > car > > > > > at > > > > > > >all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you get that floaty feeling that was bad but not as > noticeable > > > > > > in F12K. I am still working on settings that will allow me to

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> > the > > > > > > car where I want it. Not even close yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when > hovering > > > over > > > > > any > > > > > > >button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 > cars > > > > finish > > > > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable > to > > > race > > > > > in > > > > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > That is curious, same here. There is a place to turn them on,

but > > it > > > > > > doesn't make any difference. Tied into framerate somehow? I > > noticed > > > > > > that some video changes would result in red graphics, tellingyou > (I > > > > > > guess) that this was too high for your card as benchmarked(which

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> it > > > > > > does at the setup). > > > > > > > > > > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, > there > > > is > > > > no > > > > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect)

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> > > from > > > > > F1CS. > > > > > > > > > > > > None. Not even the imaginary FF of F12K. I cannot comprehend > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and > make > > > it > > > > > > >unplayable. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not had that problem...yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong > > somewhere, > > > as > > > > I > > > > > > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll

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> > If > > > > > things > > > > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm waiting for a while to see how the mods change things. But, > > > > > > without FF, it will never be played. > > > > > > > > > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have > nothing > > > to > > > > > worry > > > > > > >about from F1 2001. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amen > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > > > > > > > No. Wait for the real developers: the guys doing the mods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, > 512Mb > > > RAM) > > > > > > > > > > > > 733/GTS/128 here. Latest det drivers are no problem here,

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"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GPSv7.26686$[email hidden]... > Glad to hear it. They've got to sort out that problem as a lot of people > wouldn't be aware of the fact that they have to install older drivers toget > it to work properly. 21.85s have been leaked, I'll try them later. > F1 2001 is rapidly becoming my favoutite modern F1 sim! I can't reallyfind > any major faults now! > Iain What about all those chicanes at Monza and Imola? (those are faults....) dave henrie

Know what you mean Dave, but they are not as bad as some are making out. anyway, absolute track accuracy is down my list of priorities. I'd rather have a sim that drives and feels good, is a challenge in a race, and looks good as a bonus with some inaccuracy on tracks, than one which feels like a dog but has every kerb millimetre perfect! Iain "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pdTv7.88509$[email hidden]... > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:GPSv7.26686$[email hidden]... > > Glad to hear it. They've got to sort out that problem as a lot ofpeople

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> > wouldn't be aware of the fact that they have to install older drivers to > get > > it to work properly. 21.85s have been leaked, I'll try them later. > > F1 2001 is rapidly becoming my favoutite modern F1 sim! I can't really > find > > any major faults now! > > Iain > What about all those chicanes at Monza and Imola? > (those are faults....) > dave henrie > >

agreed :-) Contrary to what one person said here, I actually enjoy the sounds as well. The progressively louder wind sound as speed increases is a nice touch. "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GPSv7.26686$[email hidden]... <snip> I can't really find any major faults now! </snip>

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> Iain > > > "Jimmy Sparks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dNNv7.69648$[email hidden]... > > Alrighty then, so switching from 21.81's to 12.90's make an UNBELIEVABLE > > difference, hehe. > > > > Now I'm trying to get used to this IRL'ish > > back-wanting-to-always-come-around phenomenon :-) > > > > "Jimmy Sparks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:DFJv7.75958$[email hidden]... > > > LWFF. > > > > > > After I posted, I went thru some of the previous posts to this thread, > and > > > saw the 12.90 det change idea (I am using 21.81's in WinME) > > > > > > I suppose I'll try the 12.90's and fire it up again. > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:O%Iv7.22135$[email hidden]... > > > > Yep I had the same problem until I changed (video) drivers (!) and > > tweaked > > > > with the wheel settings. What wheel are you using? > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > "Jimmy Sparks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:1CIv7.69424$[email hidden]... > > > > > I have encountered all of the aforementioned stuff as well. But

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> > > > wheel, > > > > > and the steering wheel in the game doesn't respond immediately. I > > even > > > > have > > > > > the dead zone at 0%. Heh, I've honestly tried a dozen times to > > > > sucessfully > > > > > make it through turns 1, 2, & 3 at Indy, and have yet to do it > without > > > > > spinning. :-( > > > > > > > > > > Back to F1CS2000 for me. > > > > > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in > message > > > > > news:FkIv7.20744$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Have a look at my later post on 'second impressions'! Changing

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> > my > > > > old > > > > > > 12.90 drivers cured almost all the problems I was having. Now I > > think > > > > F1 > > > > > > 2001 is really very good, but I'll leave a proper opinion for a > few > > > > > further > > > > > > testing days yet! > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Chairborne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:3bbf1fa7.2163793@news-server... > > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very > > poor! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian, we are both GP3 fans, so we have a similar starting

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding > > sounds > > > > > like > > > > > > a > > > > > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The engine sound is better than F1RC, and we all know default > > sounds > > > > > > > are bad anyway. These will be easy to fix. I kinda liked the > > skid > > > > > > > sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very

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> > and > > > > > > overly > > > > > > > >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK > at > > > any > > > > > res, > > > > > > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything

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> > and > > > > > feels > > > > > > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the graphics were ok, albeit cartoony. There is a > tick > > > box > > > > > > > for FSAA, and setting that did bring on the glitch. I turned > that > > > > > > > off, and turned FSAA on for the card, and it seemed ok. This

is > > > 1024, > > > > > > > high car and track, everything else medium. The Ferrari > steering > > > > > > > wheel in the cockpit was very nice. The driver arms arepretty > > > weird. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel > despite > > > > trying > > > > > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive thecar!

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> > The > > > > > back > > > > > > end > > > > > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any > > description > > > > just > > > > > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch

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> > the > > > > car > > > > > > at > > > > > > > >all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you get that floaty feeling that was bad but not as > > noticeable > > > > > > > in F12K. I am still working on settings that will allow me to > put > > > the > > > > > > > car where I want it. Not even close yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when > > hovering > > > > over > > > > > > any > > > > > > > >button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 > > cars > > > > > finish > > > > > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am

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> > to > > > > race > > > > > > in > > > > > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is curious, same here. There is a place to turn them on, > but > > > it > > > > > > > doesn't make any difference. Tied into framerate somehow? I > > > noticed > > > > > > > that some video changes would result in red graphics, telling > you > > (I > > > > > > > guess) that this was too high for your card as benchmarked > (which > > it > > > > > > > does at the setup). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, > > there > > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than

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> FF > > > > from > > > > > > F1CS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None. Not even the imaginary FF of F12K. I cannot comprehend > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race,

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> > make > > > > it > > > > > > > >unplayable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not had that problem...yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong > > > somewhere, > > > > as > > > > > I > > > > > > > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll > find. > > > If > > > > > > things > > > > > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm waiting for a while to see how the mods change things.

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> > > > > > > without FF, it will never be played. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have > > nothing > > > > to > > > > > > worry > > > > > > > >about from F1 2001. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. Wait for the real developers: the guys doing the mods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, > > 512Mb > > > > RAM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 733/GTS/128 here. Latest det drivers are no problem here, > except > > > for > > > > > > > the FSAA snafu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

In my view the sounds are easily the best in a modern F1 sim to date. Especially when played LOUD - Not sure my family agrees though :-) Tony "Jimmy Sparks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s5Zv7.77730$[email hidden]... > agreed :-) > > Contrary to what one person said here, I actually enjoy the sounds aswell. > The progressively louder wind sound as speed increases is a nice touch. >

works like a charm using win2k 12.90's in XP as well. i think i may finally file my winme cd in 'round file 13'! "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GPSv7.26686$[email hidden]... > Glad to hear it. They've got to sort out that problem as a lot of people > wouldn't be aware of the fact that they have to install older drivers toget > it to work properly. 21.85s have been leaked, I'll try them later. > F1 2001 is rapidly becoming my favoutite modern F1 sim! I can't reallyfind

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> any major faults now! > Iain > > > "Jimmy Sparks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dNNv7.69648$[email hidden]... > > Alrighty then, so switching from 21.81's to 12.90's make an UNBELIEVABLE > > difference, hehe. > > > > Now I'm trying to get used to this IRL'ish > > back-wanting-to-always-come-around phenomenon :-) > > > > "Jimmy Sparks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:DFJv7.75958$[email hidden]... > > > LWFF. > > > > > > After I posted, I went thru some of the previous posts to this thread, > and > > > saw the 12.90 det change idea (I am using 21.81's in WinME) > > > > > > I suppose I'll try the 12.90's and fire it up again. > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:O%Iv7.22135$[email hidden]... > > > > Yep I had the same problem until I changed (video) drivers (!) and > > tweaked > > > > with the wheel settings. What wheel are you using? > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > "Jimmy Sparks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:1CIv7.69424$[email hidden]... > > > > > I have encountered all of the aforementioned stuff as well. But

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> > > > wheel, > > > > > and the steering wheel in the game doesn't respond immediately. I > > even > > > > have > > > > > the dead zone at 0%. Heh, I've honestly tried a dozen times to > > > > sucessfully > > > > > make it through turns 1, 2, & 3 at Indy, and have yet to do it > without > > > > > spinning. :-( > > > > > > > > > > Back to F1CS2000 for me. > > > > > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in > message > > > > > news:FkIv7.20744$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Have a look at my later post on 'second impressions'! Changing

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> > my > > > > old > > > > > > 12.90 drivers cured almost all the problems I was having. Now I > > think > > > > F1 > > > > > > 2001 is really very good, but I'll leave a proper opinion for a > few > > > > > further > > > > > > testing days yet! > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Chairborne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:3bbf1fa7.2163793@news-server... > > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very > > poor! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian, we are both GP3 fans, so we have a similar starting

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding > > sounds > > > > > like > > > > > > a > > > > > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The engine sound is better than F1RC, and we all know default > > sounds > > > > > > > are bad anyway. These will be easy to fix. I kinda liked the > > skid > > > > > > > sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very

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> > and > > > > > feels > > > > > > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the graphics were ok, albeit cartoony. There is a > tick > > > box > > > > > > > for FSAA, and setting that did bring on the glitch. I turned > that > > > > > > > off, and turned FSAA on for the card, and it seemed ok. This

is > > > 1024, > > > > > > > high car and track, everything else medium. The Ferrari > steering > > > > > > > wheel in the cockpit was very nice. The driver arms arepretty > > > weird. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel > despite > > > > trying > > > > > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive thecar!

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> > The > > > > > back > > > > > > end > > > > > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any > > description > > > > just > > > > > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch

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> > the > > > > car > > > > > > at > > > > > > > >all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you get that floaty feeling that was bad but not as > > noticeable > > > > > > > in F12K. I am still working on settings that will allow me to > put > > > the > > > > > > > car where I want it. Not even close yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when > > hovering > > > > over > > > > > > any > > > > > > > >button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 > > cars > > > > > finish > > > > > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am

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> > to > > > > race > > > > > > in > > > > > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is curious, same here. There is a place to turn them on, > but > > > it > > > > > > > doesn't make any difference. Tied into framerate somehow? I > > > noticed > > > > > > > that some video changes would result in red graphics, telling > you > > (I > > > > > > > guess) that this was too high for your card as benchmarked > (which > > it > > > > > > > does at the setup). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, > > there > > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than

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> FF > > > > from > > > > > > F1CS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None. Not even the imaginary FF of F12K. I cannot comprehend > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race,

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> > make > > > > it > > > > > > > >unplayable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not had that problem...yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong > > > somewhere, > > > > as > > > > > I > > > > > > > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll > find. > > > If > > > > > > things > > > > > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm waiting for a while to see how the mods change things.

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> > > > > > > without FF, it will never be played. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have > > nothing > > > > to > > > > > > worry > > > > > > > >about from F1 2001. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. Wait for the real developers: the guys doing the mods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, > > 512Mb > > > > RAM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 733/GTS/128 here. Latest det drivers are no problem here, > except > > > for > > > > > > > the FSAA snafu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Nope - not a single one! The demos, reviews and not to mention all the complaints here is warning/reason enough for me. Besides - no *real* online racing = no sale. ed_ EldredP asked:

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> Do you own any EA(racing) titles? Just curious. > > Eldred > > "Ed Solheim" writes: > > >Why 'o why do you guys fall for the same EA joke?!? > > Time after time ... - or title after title - that is! >

Ed, You are definitely missing out on this one, it is truly awesome, I REALLY don't know where Iain's complaints come from, nearly all the points he raised aren't in my F1 2001. Ash "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OF4w7.12050$[email hidden]...

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| Nope - not a single one! | The demos, reviews and not to mention all the complaints here is | warning/reason enough for me. | Besides - no *real* online racing = no sale. | | ed_ |

I had no intention of upgrading :-) But if I did it would probably work properly. I have a 3dxf V5 5500 :-) -- [email hidden] "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:10qv7.13981$[email hidden]... > Greg > I had big hopes for this sim, but give me F1 2000 CS any day. > Iain > > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ZQpv7.12295$[email hidden]... > > I am quite surprised at this. I also saw F1 2001 at the SAP tent > > at the USGP. It looked essentially the same as F1 2000 CS. The > > framerate was fine and there were no issues like this at all. > > > > -- > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > > > Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor! > > > > > > 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like > a > > > scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and > overly > > > filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at any > res, > > > EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and > feels > > > like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying > > > several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back > > end > > > comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just > > > causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car > at > > > all. > > > > > > 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over > > any > > > button. > > > > > > 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars > finish > > > each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race > in > > > any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is > no > > > excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from > > F1CS. > > > > > > 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it > > > unplayable. > > > > > > I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as > I > > > have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If > > things > > > don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to > > worry > > > about from F1 2001. > > > > > > Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Ashley, I'm asure you've seen my '2nd impressions' post by now! I agree with you, F1 2001 is very impressive now that I've sorted all the initial problems out! Iain "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9promh$dk3$[email hidden]...

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> Ed, > > You are definitely missing out on this one, it is truly awesome, I REALLY > don't know where Iain's complaints come from, nearly all the points he > raised aren't in my F1 2001. > > Ash > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:OF4w7.12050$[email hidden]... > | Nope - not a single one! > | The demos, reviews and not to mention all the complaints here is > | warning/reason enough for me. > | Besides - no *real* online racing = no sale. > | > | ed_ > | > >

Iain, For a real whitewash of XP (from a gamer's perspective) go to: http://www.gamepc.com/reviews/hardware_review.asp?review=windowsxp&page=1&ms cssid=&tp= but notice even these apologists couldn't get XP to outrun ME on any but one of dozens of benchmarks. Stable? Yes. Suitable as a gaming platform? Not yet.... --Steve "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UMSv7.26658$[email hidden]... > No Steve! XP is by far the best of the Windows OSs I've come across, and > I've tried them all from 3.1 onwards! > It is stable, looks good, has lots of extra bells and whistles, and I geta

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> better 3DMark 2001 score than ME. The 21.81 drivers for XP as I've said, > are excellent in everything else except F1 2001. > I noticed last night that 21.85s have been leaked and some people are > reporting very good things from them. If I've got the mental strength I'll > try them later! > Iain > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lUMv7.622651$[email hidden]... > > Iain, > > > > Windows XP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No WONDER yer F1 2001 doesn't work. What > did > > you expect from an OS built for MS Office, not players of The One True > > Calling--racing games--? (At least you found F1 2001; I'm still

looking.) > > > > --Steve > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:thIv7.20731$[email hidden]... > > > Thanks Steve but I've seen that article before and it isn'tparticularly > > > useful. It doesn't include anything to do with the 21.81s which iswhat > > the > > > F1 2001 debate is all about. > > > All that article confims is that the 12.90s are the best of the restand > > > I've known that for some time now. I've tried and tested a lot of the > > > drivers over the last year! > > > Until the 21.81 set was released I've always used the 12.90s. > > > The reason I changed to 21.81 is because they are XP compatible andthat

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> > is > > > what I use. In everything I use I saw the benefits of the 21.81s > > especially > > > 2D stuff, UNTIL F1 2001 came along. Basically it just doesn't work > > properly > > > with the 21.81s. > > > But, as I said in one of my posts, reverting back to the 12.90s has > fixed > > > all the problems. > > > Incidentally I get around 4500 on 3DBenchamrk 2001 with the 12.90s and > > 4650 > > > with the 21.81s. > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:igGv7.622215$[email hidden]... > > > > Iain, all, > > > > > > > > For a deeper explanation of the performance differences betw. the > > various > > > > Detonators, I recommend: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

http://f1gamers.com/cgi-bin/f1/link.pl?http://www.guru3d.com/detonator-dbase

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> > > > / > > > > > > > > --Steve > > > > > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:SiCv7.620817$[email hidden]... > > > > > Thanks for being stud-muffin enuf to admit it! <BG> > > > > > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in > message > > > > > news:NVyv7.17253$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > Where did GPL come into this??? I know this is RAS, but that's > > taking > > > > ot > > > > > a > > > > > > bit too far!!!! You mean F1 2001 obviously. Well, see another > post > > > from > > > > > me > > > > > > on the difference it made getting rid of the 21.81 drivers. > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:3ntv7.620157$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Calm down, John; Thomas there wasn't asking what planet *you* > were > > > > > from--I > > > > > > > think his comments were directed at Iain. I don't think Iain > has > > > had > > > > > much > > > > > > > experience with GPL and his GF2/21.xx Det combo; a lot of

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> > > > > including > > > > > > > me had trouble there and went back to the earlier drivers. He > > seems > > > > > > miffed > > > > > > > at the VERY IDEA that the latest drivers aren't giving him the > > best > > > > > > > performance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other point seems to be that he'd rather have bad FF than

no > > > > > feedback > > > > > > at > > > > > > > all. One of the F1 2001 designers seemed acutely embarrassedat > > the > > > > FF > > > > > > > implementation in F1CS and said he'd rather have no FF thanbad

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> > FF, > > > > > > > promising a patch to solve the problem later on. Of course, a > lot > > > of > > > > > > people > > > > > > > are still waiting for the patch for F1 2000. The only FF I've > > seen > > > > (or > > > > > > > felt) that does anything to help you drive the car is Papy's

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> > > patch > > > > > of > > > > > > > the dreaded Black Ice (no, not the firewall). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> > > > > > > > Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:49 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: F1 2001 - first impressions!?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For better video performance, try running in windowed

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> > set > > > > the > > > > > > > > parameter in the config.ini file to "1" (instead of "0"). > This > > is > > > a > > > > > > > > known problem with newer Detonator drivers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might also want to visit the High Gear forums -- a LOT

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> > > people > > > > > > > > over there disagree with most of your assessment, it seems, > > > > including > > > > > > > > a lot of F1RC, GP3, and GPL fans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are

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> > > sounds > > > > > > like > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very > unreal > > > and > > > > > > > overly > > > > > > > > >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems

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> > at > > > > any > > > > > > res, > > > > > > > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything > looks > > > and > > > > > > feels > > > > > > > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel > > despite > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the > car! > > > The > > > > > > back > > > > > > > end > > > > > > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any > > > description > > > > > just > > > > > > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch > with > > > the > > > > > car > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > >all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when > > > hovering > > > > > over > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > >button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about

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> > > cars > > > > > > finish > > > > > > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am > unable > > > to > > > > > race > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by

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> > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than > perfect) > > FF > > > > > from > > > > > > > F1CS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, > and > > > make > > > > > it > > > > > > > > >unplayable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong > > > > somewhere, > > > > > as > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll > > find. > > > > If > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have > > > nothing > > > > > to > > > > > > > worry > > > > > > > > >about from F1 2001. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on

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> > > 512Mb > > > > > RAM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > The planet of pathetic driver mismatches, I think -- why

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> > with > > > a > > > > > > > > GeForce2 Ultra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alternate answer: The plant of people who have not yet > learned > > > the > > > > > > > > advantages of running F1 2001 in windowed mode if you're

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> > > newer > > > > > > > > Detonator drivers . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:26:29 GMT, "Thomas Heineman" > > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What planet are you from? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> skrev

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> > > > > > meddelandet > > > > > > > > >news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > >> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are > very > > > > poor! > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, > skidding > > > > sounds > > > > > > > like a > > > > > > > > >> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very > > unreal > > > > and > > > > > > > overly > > > > > > > > >> filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate

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> OK > > > at > > > > > any > > > > > > > res, > > > > > > > > >> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything > > looks > > > > and > > > > > > > feels > > > > > > > > >> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel > > > despite > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > >> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive

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> > car! > > > > The > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > >end > > > > > > > > >> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any > > > > description > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > >> causes instability. There is no feeling of being in

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> > with > > > > the > > > > > > car > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > >> all. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when > > > > hovering > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > >any > > > > > > > > >> button. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about > 4-5 > > > > cars > > > > > > > finish > > > > > > > > >> each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am > > unable > > > > to > > > > > > race > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > >> any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by > EA, > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > >> excuse for this. They could have used the (less than > > perfect) > > > FF > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > >F1CS. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a

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> > and > > > > make > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > >> unplayable. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong > > > > > somewhere, > > > > > > as > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > >> have only scratched the surface. God knows what else

I'll > > > find. > > > > > If > > > > > > > > >things > > > > > > > > >> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCShave

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> > > > nothing > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >worry > > > > > > > > >> about from F1 2001. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on > XP, > > > > 512Mb > > > > > > RAM) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Iain > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sorry Steve, but I disagree. I repeat, XP is the best Windows OS I've come across, and I've been a hardened gamer for many years! Iain "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%4ow7.637104$[email hidden]... > Iain, > > For a real whitewash of XP (from a gamer's perspective) go to: > >http://www.gamepc.com/reviews/hardware_review.asp?review=windowsxp&page=1&ms > cssid=&tp= > > but notice even these apologists couldn't get XP to outrun ME on any butone

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> of dozens of benchmarks. > > Stable? Yes. > > Suitable as a gaming platform? Not yet.... > > --Steve > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:UMSv7.26658$[email hidden]... > > No Steve! XP is by far the best of the Windows OSs I've come across, and > > I've tried them all from 3.1 onwards! > > It is stable, looks good, has lots of extra bells and whistles, and I

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> > try them later! > > Iain > > > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:lUMv7.622651$[email hidden]... > > > Iain, > > > > > > Windows XP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No WONDER yer F1 2001 doesn't work.

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> > did > > > you expect from an OS built for MS Office, not players of The One True > > > Calling--racing games--? (At least you found F1 2001; I'm still > looking.) > > > > > > --Steve > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:thIv7.20731$[email hidden]... > > > > Thanks Steve but I've seen that article before and it isn't > particularly > > > > useful. It doesn't include anything to do with the 21.81s which is > what > > > the > > > > F1 2001 debate is all about. > > > > All that article confims is that the 12.90s are the best of the rest > and > > > > I've known that for some time now. I've tried and tested a lot of

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> > > > drivers over the last year! > > > > Until the 21.81 set was released I've always used the 12.90s. > > > > The reason I changed to 21.81 is because they are XP compatible and > that > > > is > > > > what I use. In everything I use I saw the benefits of the 21.81s > > > especially > > > > 2D stuff, UNTIL F1 2001 came along. Basically it just doesn't work > > > properly > > > > with the 21.81s. > > > > But, as I said in one of my posts, reverting back to the 12.90s has > > fixed > > > > all the problems. > > > > Incidentally I get around 4500 on 3DBenchamrk 2001 with the 12.90s

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> > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > --Steve > > > > > > > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:SiCv7.620817$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Thanks for being stud-muffin enuf to admit it! <BG> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in > > message > > > > > > news:NVyv7.17253$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > Where did GPL come into this??? I know this is RAS, but

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> > has > > > > had > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > experience with GPL and his GF2/21.xx Det combo; a lot of > people > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > me had trouble there and went back to the earlier drivers.

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> > > seen > > > > > (or > > > > > > > > felt) that does anything to help you drive the car is Papy's > (in > > > GPL > > > > & > > > > > > > N4), > > > > > > > > altho the implementation in Mobil 1 Rally Championship was > > > > > near-great--I > > > > > > > > loved how *all* feeling went away when you were skating

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> a > > > > patch > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the dreaded Black Ice (no, not the firewall). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> > > > > > > > > Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:49 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: F1 2001 - first impressions!?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For better video performance, try running in windowed > mode -- > > > set > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > parameter in the config.ini file to "1" (instead of "0"). > > This > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > > > known problem with newer Detonator drivers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might also want to visit the High Gear forums -- a LOT > of > > > > people > > > > > > > > > over there disagree with most of your assessment, it

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> > > > > including > > > > > > > > > a lot of F1RC, GP3, and GPL fans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > > > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are > very > > > > poor! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, > skidding > > > > sounds > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very > > unreal > > > > and > > > > > > > > overly > > > > > > > > > >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate

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> OK > > > at > > > > > any > > > > > > > res, > > > > > > > > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything > > looks > > > > and > > > > > > > feels > > > > > > > > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel > > > despite > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive

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> > car! > > > > The > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > end > > > > > > > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any > > > > description > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in

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> > with > > > > the > > > > > > car > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > >all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when > > > > hovering > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > >button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about > 4-5 > > > > cars > > > > > > > finish > > > > > > > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am > > unable > > > > to > > > > > > race > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by > EA, > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than > > perfect) > > > FF > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > F1CS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a

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> > and > > > > make > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > >unplayable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong > > > > > somewhere, > > > > > > as > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else

I'll > > > find. > > > > > If > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCShave

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> > > > nothing > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > worry > > > > > > > > > >about from F1 2001. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on > XP, > > > > 512Mb > > > > > > RAM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > The planet of pathetic driver mismatches, I think -- why > else > > > > would > > > > > > > > > you use Detonator drivers that are optimized for the > GeForce3 > > > with > > > > a > > > > > > > > > GeForce2 Ultra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alternate answer: The plant of people who have not yet > > learned > > > > the > > > > > > > > > advantages of running F1 2001 in windowed mode if you're > using > > > > newer > > > > > > > > > Detonator drivers . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:26:29 GMT, "Thomas Heineman" > > > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What planet are you from? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]>

skrev > i > > > > > > > meddelandet > > > > > > > > > > >news:TNlv7.11849$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > >> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressionsare

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> > very > > > > > poor! > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, > > skidding > > > > > sounds > > > > > > > > like a > > > > > > > > > >> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees! > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon -

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> > > unreal > > > > > and > > > > > > > > overly > > > > > > > > > >> filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate > seems > > OK > > > > at > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > res, > > > > > > > > > >> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so

everything > > > looks > > > > > and > > > > > > > > feels > > > > > > > > > >> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FFwheel

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> > > > despite > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > >> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive > the > > > car! > > > > > The > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > >end > > > > > > > > > >> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any > > > > > description > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > >> causes instability. There is no feeling of being in > touch > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > car > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > >> all. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up

when > > > > > hovering > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > >any > > > > > > > > > >> button. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, onlyabout > > 4-5 > > > > > cars > > > > > > > > finish > > > > > > > > > >> each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because Iam

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> > > unable > > > > > to > > > > > > > race > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > >> any way competitively for previous reasons. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> 6) Mirrors don't work at all! > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set

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> > EA, > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > >> excuse for this. They could have used the (less than > > > perfect) > > > > FF > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > >F1CS. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a > race, > > > and > > > > > make > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > >> unplayable. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> I really hope that there is something fundamentally

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> > > > > > somewhere, > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > >> have only scratched the surface. God knows what else > I'll > > > > find. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > >things > > > > > > > > > >> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going

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> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS > have > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > >worry > > > > > > > > > >> about from F1 2001. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets

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In article <%4ow7.637104$[email hidden]>, "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> writes: >but notice even these apologists couldn't get XP to outrun ME on any but one >of dozens of benchmarks. > >Stable? Yes. > >Suitable as a gaming platform? Not yet.... Well, I feel the same way about ME and 2000 - I'm sticking with 98se for a while...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Nope - not a single one! >The demos, reviews and not to mention all the complaints here is >warning/reason enough for me. >Besides - no *real* online racing = no sale. > >ed_ > >EldredP asked: >> Do you own any EA(racing) titles? Just curious. >> >> Eldred >> >> "Ed Solheim" writes: >> >> >Why 'o why do you guys fall for the same EA joke?!? >> > Time after time ... - or title after title - that is! >>

Fair enough<g> I have F12K and F1CS - they're ok, even though I haven't played them recently. The online aspect isn't as big a deal as it seems to be for you. At least I can slow DOWN the AI so I can compete. Online...not so much... :-) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> "Iain Mackenzie" > > Shall we wait for the patch? > > > > (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM) > > I expected a lot from this game but I am very, very disappointed... >

There is a widely known issue with the 21-series drivers and F1 2001 not working w/ each other. Switch to 7.58's or 12.41/12.90 and this game will take on a new life. I'm dead serious. P.s.: Go here for all your questions - we've been through all this before: www.sportplanet.com/hg/forums :)