F1 2001 - 2nd impressions!

Having noted from various sources that there is a problem with the 21.81 dets I went back to the 12.90s which I have always got the next best results from, and what a difference! (Obviously is a problem with F1 2001 and 21.81s) I almost take back everything I said - F1 2001 is looking good. Graphics now look fantastic. Never seen so much good looking detail at Suzuka, Monaco, etc. Super smooth now even at 1280x1024 full race at back of grid. Mirror problem has gone, as has the 'going through treacle' syndrome. No graphic corruption at all. Physics now feels great and the control from the wheel (despite no FF) is excellent. Now that I've had a chance to race properly, the AI is looking good. I've tried at 50% and 75% aggression levels and the balance seems to be about right. Clever and challenging. Sound is still pretty poor, but some of that may be down to problems with the current set of SBLive drivers and XP. I'll reserve judgement on that. All in all, I'm looking forward to giving it a good test over the weekend, and my trip back to EB has been cancelled! Iain

"Iain Mackenzie" wrote: > Having noted from various sources that there is a problem with the 21.81 > dets I went back to the 12.90s which I have always got the next bestresults > from, and what a difference! (Obviously is a problem with F1 2001 and > 21.81s) There seems to be no definitive answer on drivers, it seems to depend on the combination of card and PC. Glad you found one that works! > I almost take back everything I said - F1 2001 is looking good. & there is me thinking you are a "GPL snob" - like you never post about anything else :) > Graphics now look fantastic. Never seen so much good looking detail at > Suzuka, Monaco, etc. Super smooth now even at 1280x1024 full race at back > of grid. I am off to try the 12.90s... > Mirror problem has gone, as has the 'going through treacle' syndrome. > > No graphic corruption at all. > > Physics now feels great and the control from the wheel (despite no FF) is > excellent. Yeh, I think the physics are looking good > Now that I've had a chance to race properly, the AI is looking good. I've > tried at 50% and 75% aggression levels and the balance seems to be about > right. Clever and challenging. Good news > Sound is still pretty poor, but some of that may be down to problems with > the current set of SBLive drivers and XP. I'll reserve judgement on that. >Interesting I think the sound is the best yet for modern F1 Also interesting you have XP, a poster on HG also say that XP gives excellent frame rates, so maybe there is something here. > All in all, I'm looking forward to giving it a good test over the weekend, > and my trip back to EB has been cancelled! >Nice one! Tony

What sound card are you using? and what drivers? With my SB live and Liveware 3.0 i note a flickering on the scrren evry 20, 30 second and make the game a little poor... "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> escribi� en el mensaje news:Gczv7.17358$[email hidden]... > Having noted from various sources that there is a problem with the 21.81 > dets I went back to the 12.90s which I have always got the next bestresults

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> from, and what a difference! (Obviously is a problem with F1 2001 and > 21.81s) > > I almost take back everything I said - F1 2001 is looking good. > > Graphics now look fantastic. Never seen so much good looking detail at > Suzuka, Monaco, etc. Super smooth now even at 1280x1024 full race at back > of grid. > > Mirror problem has gone, as has the 'going through treacle' syndrome. > > No graphic corruption at all. > > Physics now feels great and the control from the wheel (despite no FF) is > excellent. > > Now that I've had a chance to race properly, the AI is looking good. I've > tried at 50% and 75% aggression levels and the balance seems to be about > right. Clever and challenging. > > Sound is still pretty poor, but some of that may be down to problems with > the current set of SBLive drivers and XP. I'll reserve judgement on that. > > All in all, I'm looking forward to giving it a good test over the weekend, > and my trip back to EB has been cancelled! > > Iain > >

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Gczv7.17358$[email hidden]... > Having noted from various sources that there is a problem with the 21.81 > dets I went back to the 12.90s which I have always got the next bestresults > from, and what a difference! (Obviously is a problem with F1 2001 and > 21.81s) > > I almost take back everything I said - F1 2001 is looking good. I wouldn't know - I've got a Voodoo 3 :-((((

Incredible but if you use Fraps while playing F1 2001 the performance increase a lot !!!!!!!! "Colin Harris" <[email hidden]> escribi� en el mensaje news:jWCv7.5410$[email hidden]...

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> > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Gczv7.17358$[email hidden]... > > Having noted from various sources that there is a problem with the 21.81 > > dets I went back to the 12.90s which I have always got the next best > results > > from, and what a difference! (Obviously is a problem with F1 2001 and > > 21.81s) > > > > I almost take back everything I said - F1 2001 is looking good. > > I wouldn't know - I've got a Voodoo 3 :-(((( > >

In article <jWCv7.5410$[email hidden]>, "Colin Harris" <[email hidden]> writes: >> I almost take back everything I said - F1 2001 is looking good. > >I wouldn't know - I've got a Voodoo 3 :-(((( > The V3 won't work with the EA titles? That sucks... The V5 works fine, so it's not a 3dfx issue. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I have a Voodoo 3 with an overclocked Celeron 450 running at 850 and I have no problem with EA's SBK 2000 and 2001. Just for the record. On what do you base your comment. I would like to know whether or not to buy f12001. Much appreciated. Wayne EldredP wrote:

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> In article <jWCv7.5410$[email hidden]>, "Colin Harris" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> I almost take back everything I said - F1 2001 is looking good. > > > >I wouldn't know - I've got a Voodoo 3 :-(((( > > > > The V3 won't work with the EA titles? That sucks... The V5 works fine, so > it's not a 3dfx issue. > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <jWCv7.5410$[email hidden]>, "Colin Harris" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> I almost take back everything I said - F1 2001 is looking good. > > > >I wouldn't know - I've got a Voodoo 3 :-(((( > > > > The V3 won't work with the EA titles? That sucks... The V5 works fine,

so > it's not a 3dfx issue. From the readme: The following cards do not work with F1-2001: 3DFX Voodoo 1,2 and 3 series (including Voodoo Banshee cards) 3D labs Permedia 3 S3 Savage 3D, 4, 2000 Please note : This game requires a 100% Direct X8 compatible card which means that the Voodoo3 (although popular) is not supported and does not work with this game.

So has anyone tried it with a V3 using the V5 drivers? Jussst curious. dave henrie "Colin Harris" > Please note : This game requires a 100% Direct X8 compatible card which > means that the Voodoo3 (although popular) is not supported and does notwork > with this game. > > > > >

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>From the readme: > >The following cards do not work with F1-2001: > >3DFX Voodoo 1,2 and 3 series (including Voodoo Banshee cards) >3D labs Permedia 3 >S3 Savage 3D, 4, 2000 > >Please note : This game requires a 100% Direct X8 compatible card which >means that the Voodoo3 (although popular) is not supported and does not work >with this game.

That REALLY sucks! So I'm not able to run it at all :( Not Bloody Fair!!! Rafe Mc

Worth the upgrade IMHO Rafe. I've forgotten GP3-2000 & F1RC already :) After an initial driver hell this is looking, feeling and sounding superb. Unless you must have FF, or demand complete track accuracy then I would recommend this one for single player - can't comment on multi player at this stage. Did I mention the sound - at last! Cheers Tony "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > >From the readme: > > > >The following cards do not work with F1-2001: > > > >3DFX Voodoo 1,2 and 3 series (including Voodoo Banshee cards) > >3D labs Permedia 3 > >S3 Savage 3D, 4, 2000 > > > >Please note : This game requires a 100% Direct X8 compatible card which > >means that the Voodoo3 (although popular) is not supported and does not

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> >with this game. > > That REALLY sucks! So I'm not able to run it at all :( > > Not Bloody Fair!!! > > Rafe Mc

Is there release date for Australia. Just wondering? Always excited about a new car sim. Cheers. "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Worth the upgrade IMHO Rafe. > > I've forgotten GP3-2000 & F1RC already :) > > After an initial driver hell this is looking, feeling and sounding superb. > > Unless you must have FF, or demand complete track accuracy then I would > recommend this one for single player - can't comment on multi player at

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> stage. > > Did I mention the sound - at last! > > Cheers > > Tony > > > > "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > >From the readme: > > > > > >The following cards do not work with F1-2001: > > > > > >3DFX Voodoo 1,2 and 3 series (including Voodoo Banshee cards) > > >3D labs Permedia 3 > > >S3 Savage 3D, 4, 2000 > > > > > >Please note : This game requires a 100% Direct X8 compatible card which > > >means that the Voodoo3 (although popular) is not supported and does not > work > > >with this game. > > > > That REALLY sucks! So I'm not able to run it at all :( > > > > Not Bloody Fair!!! > > > > Rafe Mc > >

Really beginning to agree Tony. F1RC came off my drive last night, and GP3 2000 is on the verge! Iain "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Worth the upgrade IMHO Rafe. > > I've forgotten GP3-2000 & F1RC already :) > > After an initial driver hell this is looking, feeling and sounding superb. > > Unless you must have FF, or demand complete track accuracy then I would > recommend this one for single player - can't comment on multi player at

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> stage. > > Did I mention the sound - at last! > > Cheers > > Tony > > > > "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > >From the readme: > > > > > >The following cards do not work with F1-2001: > > > > > >3DFX Voodoo 1,2 and 3 series (including Voodoo Banshee cards) > > >3D labs Permedia 3 > > >S3 Savage 3D, 4, 2000 > > > > > >Please note : This game requires a 100% Direct X8 compatible card which > > >means that the Voodoo3 (although popular) is not supported and does not > work > > >with this game. > > > > That REALLY sucks! So I'm not able to run it at all :( > > > > Not Bloody Fair!!! > > > > Rafe Mc > >

I read your first review and kept thinking you were driving F1 2000! Glad you got things resolved, I think its the second best F1 game ever made, a close second to GPL. Pity about the No-AI in Multiplayer thing and no FF (as yet). BTW sound is AWESOME on my Sonic Fury, best sound in modern F1 by far. Ash

I agree with your opinion on the sound. This game sounds great going through all the gears full out!! Todd "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9ps0cc$igo$[email hidden]... > I read your first review and kept thinking you were driving F1 2000! > > Glad you got things resolved, I think its the second best F1 game evermade, > a close second to GPL. Pity about the No-AI in Multiplayer thing and noFF

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> (as yet). > > BTW sound is AWESOME on my Sonic Fury, best sound in modern F1 by far. > > Ash > > >

On Sun, 7 Oct 2001 12:59:48 +0100, "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Worth the upgrade IMHO Rafe. >I'd consider upgrading if my system needed it, but I can OC my V3 to 200mhz (from 166) and it runs very nicely. 1280x1024 in almost every game, no problem. But for it to not run on v3 full stop? That's a bit rough for such a popular card. >I've forgotten GP3-2000 & F1RC already :) I've forgotten F1RC with GP3-2000 running nicely. Is it really that much better?

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> >After an initial driver hell this is looking, feeling and sounding superb. > >Unless you must have FF, or demand complete track accuracy then I would >recommend this one for single player - can't comment on multi player at this >stage. > >Did I mention the sound - at last!

Hmmm, others have said it's pretty bad. I guess it's all personal opinions eh? It'll be a while till I'll be able to run it anyway <sigh> Rafe Mc

Yea, as I said, I think my sound problem has to do with the crappy Creative XP SBLive drivers. there are supposed to be new ones next week. On the other hand, with the Sonic fury selling for �42 I'll maybe get one! Iain "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Pqgw7.130505$[email hidden]... > I agree with your opinion on the sound. This game sounds great goingthrough

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> all the gears full out!! > > Todd > > > "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9ps0cc$igo$[email hidden]... > > I read your first review and kept thinking you were driving F1 2000! > > > > Glad you got things resolved, I think its the second best F1 game ever > made, > > a close second to GPL. Pity about the No-AI in Multiplayer thing and no > FF > > (as yet). > > > > BTW sound is AWESOME on my Sonic Fury, best sound in modern F1 by far. > > > > Ash > > > > > > > >

> I'd consider upgrading if my system needed it Not trying to be a jerk, but your running an old card from a company no longer in business. Sounds like its needed to me. MadDAWG

"Rafe McAuliffe" wrote > > > I'd consider upgrading if my system needed it, but I can OC my V3 to > 200mhz (from 166) and it runs very nicely. 1280x1024 in almost every > game, no problem. But for it to not run on v3 full stop? That's a bit > rough for such a popular card. > Well I recall getting a Hercules Thriller simply to run GPL at a decent rate. This is the first time since I would suggest a single game is worth the upgrade. Tony

"Rafe McAuliffe" > Hmmm, others have said it's pretty bad. I guess it's all personal > opinions eh? I think the general opinion on the sound is superb. Only if there are frame rate issues it goes all horrible (stepped). So once the frame rates are cured the sound is heard in its full glory. Tony

Now this does seem like Deja Vu. First folks bought Thrillers and Voodoo 3's to run GPL. Then they found the great sound GPL gives via the SB Live. NOWWWWW...we are seeing folks getting ready to dump the Lives for Game Theatre's. All because of one game...impressive. dave(still with a Piii500)henrie "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Wwlw7.41034$[email hidden]... > Yea, as I said, I think my sound problem has to do with the crappyCreative > XP SBLive drivers. there are supposed to be new ones next week. On the > other hand, with the Sonic fury selling for �42 I'll maybe get one! > Iain >

In article <[email hidden]>, "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> writes: >> I'd consider upgrading if my system needed it > >Not trying to be a jerk, but your running an old card from a company no >longer in business. Sounds like its needed to me. > >MadDAWG Maybe. But if his system runs everything ELSE he plays, it might be hard to justify buying another graphics card for ONE game... I've been there before...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Wayne Stelly <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I have a Voodoo 3 with an overclocked Celeron 450 running at 850 and I have >no >problem with EA's SBK 2000 and 2001. Just for the record. On what do you >base your comment. I would like to know whether or not to buy f12001. > >Much appreciated. > >Wayne >

I based my comment on Colin's statement. He implied that he couldn't run the program because he only had a V3... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> >Maybe. But if his system runs everything ELSE he plays, it might be hard to >justify buying another graphics card for ONE game... I've been there >before...<g> > >Eldred Quite right, mind you I did buy an entire SYSTEM simply to play GPL <grin> so maybe its worth it if it really IS as good as everyone says. Mind you, I heard a lot of good things about F1RC and have been much less than impressed with that one. Eye candy and that's all in my book. I might have to wait until a patch comes out for all the problems that seem to be there ATM. Rafe Mc