Honest opinions... F1 2001?

Hi guys.. Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I just want honest opinions. Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have been since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be beaten crap. Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) James

"James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I just > want honest opinions. > > Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? I got F1 2001 on Friday and wasn't able to drive it until this afternoon. I have already put in more laps in it then in GP3 and F1 CS2K combined. For the first time since GP2 I have a modern F1 sim that I want to put in the time to learn properly. For some reason it just feels right, even without FF. Cheers Phil Lee Legends Central Admin http://www.legendscentral.com

Okay, I honestly don't have it yet. ;o) "James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j15w7.130802$[email hidden]... > Hi guys.. > > Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. Ijust > want honest opinions. > > Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > > Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (havebeen

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> since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be > beaten crap. > > Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) > > > James > >

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> Okay, I honestly don't have it yet. > > ;o) > > > "James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:j15w7.130802$[email hidden]... > > Hi guys.. > > > > Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I > just > > want honest opinions. > > > > Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > > > > Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have > been > > since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be > > beaten crap. > > > > Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) > > > > > > James > > > > >

On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Hi guys.. > >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I just >want honest opinions. > >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have been >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be >beaten crap. > >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0)))

Ok, for a change here's my honest opinion :) Quick first impressions were great. Before I installed it I allready read about the problems with various drivers, and about the run-it-in-a-window-or-use-fraps trick, so when I started it the game run very smooth. In ever way it's an improvement over f1cs. Better graphics, better fps, GREAT sound, AI seems to be very good (didn't test it enough though), variable weather is very good, and I love how bumpy the tracks are, fasten your seatbelts extra tight when you drive on Brazil :) Buuuuut there's one problem. The control of the car didn;t feel right to me. I had problems with steering, way to much oversteer, so much that I had to allmost before a corner before I could enter it. In the corner itself I had to constantly adjust the steering to keep the line. Braking also wasn't good, one time I braked perfectly before a corner, on the next lap my brakes hardly seemed to function. I spend a day on messing with my controller settings.. tried every possible combination of sensitivity and deadzone settings, but to no avail. The car remains crap to drive. I also tried settings from other players who don't have these controller problems, but they also didn;'t help. For now I gave up and deinstalled F1 2001, it's completely unplayable for me at this time. Hope someone finds a solution for this.. Oh, with a couple of guys from VROC we tried multiplayer. We were with 5 or 6 players. We had a couple of problems. It happened twice to me that I started at -exact- the same spot as another player, once in the pitbox, once at the start of a race. This resulted ofcourse in a major crash (of our cars, not the game). But worse, and this happend a couple of times to several players: First lap of the race - I was driving, nothing specaculair going on, some cars far behind me and some cars in front of me, and suddenly the cam switched to outside view, a moving tv-cam. I could still control my car. After a couple of seconds, without warning I was back in the chatroom. I can't think of any reason why this would happen, so I think this is a major bug, especially since it happend a couple of times. Besides this, the driving was reasonable fine. The cars were all warping quite a bit, but this could have been because of a bad connection, allthough the host and most of the players were on a fast cable connection. So all in all, it seems that the basis of f1 2001 is a very good sim, but as long as I can't get the controllers work correct I can't judge it.. I never liked GP3, untill I got the controller setting correct, and since then I love it. I hope the same will happen with f1 2001.. Andre > >James >

well said (seriously) "Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:985w7.35964$[email hidden]... > I got F1 2001 on Friday and wasn't able to drive it until this afternoon.I > have already put in more laps in it then in GP3 and F1 CS2K combined. For > the first time since GP2 I have a modern F1 sim that I want to put in the > time to learn properly. For some reason it just feels right, even without > FF.

I've put in about 6 hours now, and I am simply amazed..Sure no FF is a drawback, but the AI, SOUND - Amazing on my SB Audigy, and Framerate are unbelieveable. The default setup's on the car are very pushy, but with some tweaking, I got it really nice...I did a 100% race at Spa, and was in second for at leaset 20 laps, full out, right behind Shuey, totally unable to pass(got him on the pitstop tho.). The only unrealistic part of the AI I find is the amount of cars falling out of the race, at the end of a long race, there are only usually 6 or 7 cars left running...I also noticed that they had implemented the Williams-Mich tire wear.. During a race Montoya will run average for the first 5 - 10 laps.. then he(and Ralph) will start to fly, and click in fastest laps.. then they will start to trail off.. The Ferrari's will get faster and faster as the fuel load lightens. They also seemed to have modeled a dirty track very nicely... At the beginning of practice, the car is very slippery.. 2 - 3 laps into the run, you get great grip.. after a pitstop, the grip is mostly good(tire temps)... Amazing. Can't wait for the FF patch. "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Hi guys.. > > > >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. Ijust > >want honest opinions. > > > >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > > > >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (havebeen

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> >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be > >beaten crap. > > > >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) > > Ok, for a change here's my honest opinion :) > > Quick first impressions were great. Before I installed it I allready > read about the problems with various drivers, and about the > run-it-in-a-window-or-use-fraps trick, so when I started it the game > run very smooth. In ever way it's an improvement over f1cs. Better > graphics, better fps, GREAT sound, AI seems to be very good (didn't > test it enough though), variable weather is very good, and I love how > bumpy the tracks are, fasten your seatbelts extra tight when you drive > on Brazil :) > > Buuuuut there's one problem. The control of the car didn;t feel right > to me. I had problems with steering, way to much oversteer, so much > that I had to allmost before a corner before I could enter it. > In the corner itself I had to constantly adjust the steering to keep > the line. Braking also wasn't good, one time I braked perfectly before > a corner, on the next lap my brakes hardly seemed to function. > I spend a day on messing with my controller settings.. tried every > possible combination of sensitivity and deadzone settings, but to no > avail. The car remains crap to drive. I also tried settings from other > players who don't have these controller problems, but they also > didn;'t help. For now I gave up and deinstalled F1 2001, it's > completely unplayable for me at this time. Hope someone finds a > solution for this.. > > Oh, with a couple of guys from VROC we tried multiplayer. > We were with 5 or 6 players. We had a couple of problems. > It happened twice to me that I started at -exact- the same spot as > another player, once in the pitbox, once at the start of a race. > This resulted ofcourse in a major crash (of our cars, not the game). > But worse, and this happend a couple of times to several players: > First lap of the race - I was driving, nothing specaculair going on, > some cars far behind me and some cars in front of me, and suddenly the > cam switched to outside view, a moving tv-cam. I could still control > my car. After a couple of seconds, without warning I was back in the > chatroom. I can't think of any reason why this would happen, so I > think this is a major bug, especially since it happend a couple of > times. > Besides this, the driving was reasonable fine. The cars were all > warping quite a bit, but this could have been because of a bad > connection, allthough the host and most of the players were on a fast > cable connection. > > So all in all, it seems that the basis of f1 2001 is a very good sim, > but as long as I can't get the controllers work correct I can't judge > it.. I never liked GP3, untill I got the controller setting correct, > and since then I love it. I hope the same will happen with f1 2001.. > > Andre > > > > > > > > > >James > > >

Just guessing here (since I don't freaking have it yet!) but maybe you still have to do the trick like we did with F1CS2K, where you have to manually set the dead zone to zero in the player file? "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Hi guys.. > > > >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. Ijust > >want honest opinions. > > > >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > > > >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL(have been > >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will neverbe

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> >beaten crap. > > > >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) > > Ok, for a change here's my honest opinion :) > > Quick first impressions were great. Before I installed it I allready > read about the problems with various drivers, and about the > run-it-in-a-window-or-use-fraps trick, so when I started it the game > run very smooth. In ever way it's an improvement over f1cs. Better > graphics, better fps, GREAT sound, AI seems to be very good (didn't > test it enough though), variable weather is very good, and I love how > bumpy the tracks are, fasten your seatbelts extra tight when you drive > on Brazil :) > > Buuuuut there's one problem. The control of the car didn;t feel right > to me. I had problems with steering, way to much oversteer, so much > that I had to allmost before a corner before I could enter it. > In the corner itself I had to constantly adjust the steering to keep > the line. Braking also wasn't good, one time I braked perfectly before > a corner, on the next lap my brakes hardly seemed to function. > I spend a day on messing with my controller settings.. tried every > possible combination of sensitivity and deadzone settings, but to no > avail. The car remains crap to drive. I also tried settings from other > players who don't have these controller problems, but they also > didn;'t help. For now I gave up and deinstalled F1 2001, it's > completely unplayable for me at this time. Hope someone finds a > solution for this.. > > Oh, with a couple of guys from VROC we tried multiplayer. > We were with 5 or 6 players. We had a couple of problems. > It happened twice to me that I started at -exact- the same spot as > another player, once in the pitbox, once at the start of a race. > This resulted ofcourse in a major crash (of our cars, not the game). > But worse, and this happend a couple of times to several players: > First lap of the race - I was driving, nothing specaculair going on, > some cars far behind me and some cars in front of me, and suddenly the > cam switched to outside view, a moving tv-cam. I could still control > my car. After a couple of seconds, without warning I was back in the > chatroom. I can't think of any reason why this would happen, so I > think this is a major bug, especially since it happend a couple of > times. > Besides this, the driving was reasonable fine. The cars were all > warping quite a bit, but this could have been because of a bad > connection, allthough the host and most of the players were on a fast > cable connection. > > So all in all, it seems that the basis of f1 2001 is a very good sim, > but as long as I can't get the controllers work correct I can't judge > it.. I never liked GP3, untill I got the controller setting correct, > and since then I love it. I hope the same will happen with f1 2001.. > > Andre > > > > > > > > > >James > > >

I don't know if this applies, but I had similar experiences with F1cs. I 'fixed' it by NOT overclocking. I had my Piii500 overclocked to 549 or something close by using SoftFsb. The menu's even had hesitations. Everytime my mouse would move over a menu item, it would stutter and echo. During a race the stutters would get worse and worse, even with all detail off and screen rez reduced. I don't remember why I tried with reducing the overclocking, probably testing the pedal fix from Microsoft for dx8a, but I did and the stutter disappeared. I can go up to 515mhz but the next step up brought on the stutters. Unfortunately, I don't know if it was just the chip speed difference or the reduction of the agp multiplyer that cured the stutters..But it was sound related combined with overclocking. dave henrie "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard"<[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Hi guys.. > > > >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. Ijust > >want honest opinions. > > > >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > > > >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (havebeen

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> >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be > >beaten crap. > > > >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) > > > > > >James > > > > Here's my opinion and it may not be shared by others. > But, you asked, right? > > I think F1-2001 is a piece of crap. > > I bought it, installed it and have spent a lot of time in an > effort to make it run without tiny pauses every few seconds. > > My system is pretty much a dedicated gaming system: > > It is a PIII-1000, GeForce 2 Ultra, 384mb, DX8, > 12.41 Detonator drivers, SB Live. I use Win98SE. > F1-2001 is installed on a clean partition with nothing else. > I have a fixed length swapfile of 800mb on a separate > drive. I use either a TSW wheel or an Act Labs Force RS. > Both of my drives are fully defragmented. TONS of > sims/games are installed and run flawlessly. > > I won't accept a game or sim that pauses like F1-2001. > I have reduced the sim's detail/sound to minimum levels > and reduced the resolution to 800x600. I use no FSAA. > > Same thing. > > A reinstallation of DX8, video (12.41) and audio drivers > (downloaded from creaf.com 2 days ago) had no effect. > > I have haunted newsgroup/web boards and tried MANY > things to prevent the irritating pauses. > > I will return it tomorrow and buy both F1-2001 and Sony's > Formula One 2001 for my PS2. I will probably return one > of them based on which is the more deserving of return.. :) > > All I can say in a positive way about F1-2001 for the PC is > that Electronics Boutique is a great store. :) > > For those who have had good luck with it, good for you. > For me it will be only a bad memory by mid-afternoon. > > ..next? >

Revved before it's too late run FRAPS in the background while playing..... Sorted a lot of peoples problems. Regards Mike On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 23:56:40 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Hi guys.. >> >>Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I just >>want honest opinions. >> >>Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? >> >>Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have been >>since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be >>beaten crap. >> >>Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) >> >> >>James >> > >Here's my opinion and it may not be shared by others. >But, you asked, right? > >I think F1-2001 is a piece of crap. > >I bought it, installed it and have spent a lot of time in an >effort to make it run without tiny pauses every few seconds. > >My system is pretty much a dedicated gaming system: > >It is a PIII-1000, GeForce 2 Ultra, 384mb, DX8, >12.41 Detonator drivers, SB Live. I use Win98SE. >F1-2001 is installed on a clean partition with nothing else. >I have a fixed length swapfile of 800mb on a separate >drive. I use either a TSW wheel or an Act Labs Force RS. >Both of my drives are fully defragmented. TONS of >sims/games are installed and run flawlessly. > >I won't accept a game or sim that pauses like F1-2001. >I have reduced the sim's detail/sound to minimum levels >and reduced the resolution to 800x600. I use no FSAA. > >Same thing. > >A reinstallation of DX8, video (12.41) and audio drivers >(downloaded from creaf.com 2 days ago) had no effect. > >I have haunted newsgroup/web boards and tried MANY >things to prevent the irritating pauses. > >I will return it tomorrow and buy both F1-2001 and Sony's >Formula One 2001 for my PS2. I will probably return one >of them based on which is the more deserving of return.. :) > >All I can say in a positive way about F1-2001 for the PC is >that Electronics Boutique is a great store. :) > >For those who have had good luck with it, good for you. >For me it will be only a bad memory by mid-afternoon. > >..next?

On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 23:56:40 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: >On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote: [snip]

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>Here's my opinion and it may not be shared by others. >But, you asked, right? > >I think F1-2001 is a piece of crap. > >I bought it, installed it and have spent a lot of time in an >effort to make it run without tiny pauses every few seconds. > >My system is pretty much a dedicated gaming system: > >It is a PIII-1000, GeForce 2 Ultra, 384mb, DX8, >12.41 Detonator drivers, SB Live. I use Win98SE. >F1-2001 is installed on a clean partition with nothing else. >I have a fixed length swapfile of 800mb on a separate >drive. I use either a TSW wheel or an Act Labs Force RS. >Both of my drives are fully defragmented. TONS of >sims/games are installed and run flawlessly. > >I won't accept a game or sim that pauses like F1-2001. >I have reduced the sim's detail/sound to minimum levels >and reduced the resolution to 800x600. I use no FSAA. > >Same thing. > >A reinstallation of DX8, video (12.41) and audio drivers >(downloaded from creaf.com 2 days ago) had no effect. > >I have haunted newsgroup/web boards and tried MANY >things to prevent the irritating pauses.

This is a widely report problem with the game and nvidia drivers. Some people have had success with the 6.50s but I foind T&L corruption with these. However what I and other have done is the following: - set you desktop to the same resolution and colour depth you want to run the game in. - Configure the game's resolution. - Quit the game and then edit the F1 2001 config file and set the IsWindowed setting to 1. ie enabled. This will launch the game in a window but at the cost of a minor border you will get faaast framerates, fully functional mirros and cars in mirrors. Sure, it's annoying but it runs very well and should tide me over until the inevitable patch. Hope this helps.

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>I will return it tomorrow and buy both F1-2001 and Sony's >Formula One 2001 for my PS2. I will probably return one >of them based on which is the more deserving of return.. :) > >All I can say in a positive way about F1-2001 for the PC is >that Electronics Boutique is a great store. :) > >For those who have had good luck with it, good for you. >For me it will be only a bad memory by mid-afternoon.

Cheers, Dave

Completely Agree, thats how I feel. Ash | > Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? | | | I got F1 2001 on Friday and wasn't able to drive it until this afternoon.I

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| have already put in more laps in it then in GP3 and F1 CS2K combined. For | the first time since GP2 I have a modern F1 sim that I want to put in the | time to learn properly. For some reason it just feels right, even without | FF. | | Cheers | | Phil Lee | | Legends Central Admin | http://www.legendscentral.com | |

Well, I'd give you mine but my videocard, though having 16Mb of memory and being DX8 compatible (V3 3000 PCI) as stated in the minumum specs, is not supported by the game. Had to uninstall it due to current hardware incompatibilities (I'll upgrade eventually, but not for an F1 game with no FF). Frankly, in my honest opinion, they should have warned about not supporting some Voodoo based cards up front. I'm pretty cheesed off about this. In another of my honest opinions the "GPL will never be beaten crap" only exists in the mind of some RAS beholders. Personally, I can't remember having seen such a claim being made in earnest. What I have seen a lot of is people lamenting about yet another promising sim failing to beat GPL on all counts and about, worse still, developers deliberately aiming under the mark when developing a new sim. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "James Pickard" wrote...

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> Hi guys.. > > Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else > sucks. I just want honest opinions. > > Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > > Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love > GPL (have been since it came out), but I do get sick of > hearing the GPL will never be beaten crap. > > Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) > > > James

rrevved ha escrito: > I bought it, installed it and have spent a lot of time in an > effort to make it run without tiny pauses every few seconds. I experienced similar problems with FS2000. And tracked the cause to a conflict between my two USB devices (joystick and Wheel) May this be your case? -- [email hidden]

F1 2001 runs great for me with a system similar to yours. I'm using the 12.90 Nvidia drivers. You might give those drivers a try. Todd "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard"<[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Hi guys.. > > > >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. Ijust > >want honest opinions. > > > >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > > > >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (havebeen

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> >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be > >beaten crap. > > > >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) > > > > > >James > > > > Here's my opinion and it may not be shared by others. > But, you asked, right? > > I think F1-2001 is a piece of crap. > > I bought it, installed it and have spent a lot of time in an > effort to make it run without tiny pauses every few seconds. > > My system is pretty much a dedicated gaming system: > > It is a PIII-1000, GeForce 2 Ultra, 384mb, DX8, > 12.41 Detonator drivers, SB Live. I use Win98SE. > F1-2001 is installed on a clean partition with nothing else. > I have a fixed length swapfile of 800mb on a separate > drive. I use either a TSW wheel or an Act Labs Force RS. > Both of my drives are fully defragmented. TONS of > sims/games are installed and run flawlessly. > > I won't accept a game or sim that pauses like F1-2001. > I have reduced the sim's detail/sound to minimum levels > and reduced the resolution to 800x600. I use no FSAA. > > Same thing. > > A reinstallation of DX8, video (12.41) and audio drivers > (downloaded from creaf.com 2 days ago) had no effect. > > I have haunted newsgroup/web boards and tried MANY > things to prevent the irritating pauses. > > I will return it tomorrow and buy both F1-2001 and Sony's > Formula One 2001 for my PS2. I will probably return one > of them based on which is the more deserving of return.. :) > > All I can say in a positive way about F1-2001 for the PC is > that Electronics Boutique is a great store. :) > > For those who have had good luck with it, good for you. > For me it will be only a bad memory by mid-afternoon. > > ..next? >

Have you tried running the game in windowed mode??????? -- JB On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 04:25:59 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 05:04:21 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> I don't know if this applies, but I had similar experiences with F1cs. I >>'fixed' it by NOT overclocking. I had my Piii500 overclocked to 549 or >>something close by using SoftFsb. The menu's even had hesitations. >>Everytime my mouse would move over a menu item, it would stutter and echo. >>During a race the stutters would get worse and worse, even with all detail >>off and screen rez reduced. >> I don't remember why I tried with reducing the overclocking, probably >>testing the pedal fix from Microsoft for dx8a, but I did and the stutter >>disappeared. I can go up to 515mhz but the next step up brought on the >>stutters. Unfortunately, I don't know if it was just the chip speed >>difference or the reduction of the agp multiplyer that cured the >>stutters..But it was sound related combined with overclocking. >>dave henrie > >Hi Dave. I appreciate the suggestions, but I'm not overclocking anything. >Not the processor and not my video card. > >I thought right off that it was a soundcard driver problem, but installing >the latest drivers from Creative didn't have any effect. > >I've just gotten tired of it. I've exhausted my knowledge and >the only thing left is possibly to format c: and start over, but I'm >not going to do that. By the way, there are no background tasks >other than systray and explorer and my processor is showing >about 90-92% prior to launching F1-2001. >. >>"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:[email hidden]... >>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard" >><[email hidden]> wrote: >>> >>> >Hi guys.. >>> > >>> >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I >>just >>> >want honest opinions. >>> > >>> >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? >>> > >>> >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have >>been >>> >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be >>> >beaten crap. >>> > >>> >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) >>> > >>> > >>> >James >>> > >>> >>> Here's my opinion and it may not be shared by others. >>> But, you asked, right? >>> >>> I think F1-2001 is a piece of crap. >>> >>> I bought it, installed it and have spent a lot of time in an >>> effort to make it run without tiny pauses every few seconds. >>> >>> My system is pretty much a dedicated gaming system: >>> >>> It is a PIII-1000, GeForce 2 Ultra, 384mb, DX8, >>> 12.41 Detonator drivers, SB Live. I use Win98SE. >>> F1-2001 is installed on a clean partition with nothing else. >>> I have a fixed length swapfile of 800mb on a separate >>> drive. I use either a TSW wheel or an Act Labs Force RS. >>> Both of my drives are fully defragmented. TONS of >>> sims/games are installed and run flawlessly. >>> >>> I won't accept a game or sim that pauses like F1-2001. >>> I have reduced the sim's detail/sound to minimum levels >>> and reduced the resolution to 800x600. I use no FSAA. >>> >>> Same thing. >>> >>> A reinstallation of DX8, video (12.41) and audio drivers >>> (downloaded from creaf.com 2 days ago) had no effect. >>> >>> I have haunted newsgroup/web boards and tried MANY >>> things to prevent the irritating pauses. >>> >>> I will return it tomorrow and buy both F1-2001 and Sony's >>> Formula One 2001 for my PS2. I will probably return one >>> of them based on which is the more deserving of return.. :) >>> >>> All I can say in a positive way about F1-2001 for the PC is >>> that Electronics Boutique is a great store. :) >>> >>> For those who have had good luck with it, good for you. >>> For me it will be only a bad memory by mid-afternoon. >>> >>> ..next? >>> >> >

Hey rrevved, I'll save you some time with the PS2 versions: EA wins across the board. Here's my comparison: Physics: EA: Feels the way I expect an F1 would except a bit grippy at times and not enough feeling of inertia when lifting and "gliding" through chicanes. The feel is one of tremendous power and speed with very tight control. Easy to drive but hard to drive extremely well. Control is very direct and smooth. FF is good, not GP3 and certainly not GPL but the best F1 after those. Sony: Feels very similar to EA. Major difference for me is the actual wheel control (using the Logitech Force GP). The control isn't as direct or immediate in this one. EA wins here by transferring excellent physics to your hands via control and decent force feedback. I did my standard F1 physics test: cut the wheel and pop into first gear. This is the "celebration" dance where the car spins in circles. EA looked and behaved exactly as expected, spinning around the inside front tire. Sony felt artificial, spinning slightly, moving forward and STOPPING then spinning again. This just didn't feel real. Graphics: EA: I can't believe how good this looks with 22 cars on the track! GT3 are you listening? Trade in some eye candy for more cars and damage. Pure racing experience is far more important than the color of the sky at sunset. Back to EA, the tracks aren't the most accurate but the graphics are superb. Great textures, lighting effects, particle effects, etc. Best F1 visuals on a console by far. Sony: Looks dated but certainly still very nice. Little too much shimmer and jaggies. Colors muted and overall darker. Gameplay impact, it's harder to see what's ahead. EA wins handily again. Sound: EA: Best sound ever, period. Won't waste too much time describing since I think it's not even close. Sony: Sounds like a toy F1, not even close to reality. EA wins again. Gameplay: EA: Bottom line for me: fun. The AI is a huge improvement over prior years. Competitive, sometimes daring, far from perfect. I play sim mode, no driving aids with EASY opponents. For comparison, my avg. lap at monza is 1:28. I'm hardly an expert but on easy I'm in the race. I qualify 12-13 and generally stay competitive throughout, finishing anywhere from top 10 to last depending on the day I'm having. The racing is tight and exciting, probably more exciting than real F1 which is okay for me since 1 hour of lapping alone is not my idea of racing. I don't mind a slight departure from pure F1 that includes more passing and action but still seems realistic and credible. I really enjoy this game. The challenge mode was a fun bonus that is worth going back to as a sort of driving school for the newbies. Sony: The AI is pretty good around the track but I can't get around the first lap! At monza I've crashed and restarted at least 30 times. I'm either too fast and rear-ending the car in front or too slow and getting hit from behind. I know first turns can be treacherous but this is just poor. There are still hits and spins in EA but I get through the first chicane in EA at least 9/10 times. The lack of a true cockpit view is a big negative for me as well since I never feel like I'm actually IN a car. EA takes this category as well. Overall: EA is my choice for best modern F1. I won't spend anymore time with GP3 on the computer since EA on my TV looks better (amazing considering the PC resolution advantage), feels just as good if not better and is more fun and immersive. -- Joe Marques "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Hi guys.. > > > >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I just > >want honest opinions. > > > >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > > > >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have been > >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be > >beaten crap. > > > >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) > > > > > >James > > > > Here's my opinion and it may not be shared by others. > But, you asked, right? > > I think F1-2001 is a piece of crap. > > I bought it, installed it and have spent a lot of time in an > effort to make it run without tiny pauses every few seconds. > > My system is pretty much a dedicated gaming system: > > It is a PIII-1000, GeForce 2 Ultra, 384mb, DX8, > 12.41 Detonator drivers, SB Live. I use Win98SE. > F1-2001 is installed on a clean partition with nothing else. > I have a fixed length swapfile of 800mb on a separate > drive. I use either a TSW wheel or an Act Labs Force RS. > Both of my drives are fully defragmented. TONS of > sims/games are installed and run flawlessly. > > I won't accept a game or sim that pauses like F1-2001. > I have reduced the sim's detail/sound to minimum levels > and reduced the resolution to 800x600. I use no FSAA. > > Same thing. > > A reinstallation of DX8, video (12.41) and audio drivers > (downloaded from creaf.com 2 days ago) had no effect. > > I have haunted newsgroup/web boards and tried MANY > things to prevent the irritating pauses. > > I will return it tomorrow and buy both F1-2001 and Sony's > Formula One 2001 for my PS2. I will probably return one > of them based on which is the more deserving of return.. :) > > All I can say in a positive way about F1-2001 for the PC is > that Electronics Boutique is a great store. :) > > For those who have had good luck with it, good for you. > For me it will be only a bad memory by mid-afternoon. > > ..next? >

get the 21.81 detonator drivers, dx 8.1 and it should help, especially the 21.81 drivers.

"rrevved" wrote > > I thought right off that it was a soundcard driver problem, but installing > the latest drivers from Creative didn't have any effect. >Have you tried setting the Microsoft ADPCM Codec priority to 1? This was the fix for stuttering in CMR2. (Under Sounds & multimedia, Devidex, Audio codecs or similar). Might be worth a try... Tony

Yep, it's still got that problem! weird isn't it? Iain "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ly9w7.13614$[email hidden]...

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> Just guessing here (since I don't freaking have it yet!) but maybe you > still have to do the trick like we did with F1CS2K, where you have to > manually set the dead zone to zero in the player file? > > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Hi guys.. > > > > > >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I > just > > >want honest opinions. > > > > > >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > > > > > >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL > (have been > > >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never > be > > >beaten crap. > > > > > >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) > > > > Ok, for a change here's my honest opinion :) > > > > Quick first impressions were great. Before I installed it I allready > > read about the problems with various drivers, and about the > > run-it-in-a-window-or-use-fraps trick, so when I started it the game > > run very smooth. In ever way it's an improvement over f1cs. Better > > graphics, better fps, GREAT sound, AI seems to be very good (didn't > > test it enough though), variable weather is very good, and I love how > > bumpy the tracks are, fasten your seatbelts extra tight when you drive > > on Brazil :) > > > > Buuuuut there's one problem. The control of the car didn;t feel right > > to me. I had problems with steering, way to much oversteer, so much > > that I had to allmost before a corner before I could enter it. > > In the corner itself I had to constantly adjust the steering to keep > > the line. Braking also wasn't good, one time I braked perfectly before > > a corner, on the next lap my brakes hardly seemed to function. > > I spend a day on messing with my controller settings.. tried every > > possible combination of sensitivity and deadzone settings, but to no > > avail. The car remains crap to drive. I also tried settings from other > > players who don't have these controller problems, but they also > > didn;'t help. For now I gave up and deinstalled F1 2001, it's > > completely unplayable for me at this time. Hope someone finds a > > solution for this.. > > > > Oh, with a couple of guys from VROC we tried multiplayer. > > We were with 5 or 6 players. We had a couple of problems. > > It happened twice to me that I started at -exact- the same spot as > > another player, once in the pitbox, once at the start of a race. > > This resulted ofcourse in a major crash (of our cars, not the game). > > But worse, and this happend a couple of times to several players: > > First lap of the race - I was driving, nothing specaculair going on, > > some cars far behind me and some cars in front of me, and suddenly the > > cam switched to outside view, a moving tv-cam. I could still control > > my car. After a couple of seconds, without warning I was back in the > > chatroom. I can't think of any reason why this would happen, so I > > think this is a major bug, especially since it happend a couple of > > times. > > Besides this, the driving was reasonable fine. The cars were all > > warping quite a bit, but this could have been because of a bad > > connection, allthough the host and most of the players were on a fast > > cable connection. > > > > So all in all, it seems that the basis of f1 2001 is a very good sim, > > but as long as I can't get the controllers work correct I can't judge > > it.. I never liked GP3, untill I got the controller setting correct, > > and since then I love it. I hope the same will happen with f1 2001.. > > > > Andre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >James > > > > > >

Absolutely not in my opinion. The problem revved describes was exactly what I had when using the 21.81s on my GF2 Ultra and I was on the verge of dumping F1 2001. Whenever I moved back to the old trusty 12.90s wow! F1 2001 really is superb. Iain "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3bc1eba3$0$1561$[email hidden]...

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> get the 21.81 detonator drivers, dx 8.1 and it should help, especially the > 21.81 drivers. > > > > >

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ly9w7.13614$[email hidden]... > Just guessing here (since I don't freaking have it yet!) but maybe you > still have to do the trick like we did with F1CS2K, where you have to > manually set the dead zone to zero in the player file? >Correct. Or use DxDeadzone utility. It free's up the steering and makes the game very enjoyable. Best *modern*F1 game to date. Graphics are now much improved and brighter than before.

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>On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 14:06:31 GMT, [email hidden] (John Bodin) wrote: > >>Have you tried running the game in windowed mode??????? > >John, Dave, Mike, and everyone who responded, I -finally- >got F1-2001 to run without pauses. It required me to >run in a window with my desktop set to the same res/depth >as the game as several had suggested. I didn't try that >before. It's pretty cool! > >I still will most likely buy the Sony and the EA F1 games >for my PS2. As I get older, it feels better to settle back >in my easy chair to play (anything).. hehe. > >F1-2001 PC seems to be -very- nice, and I thank each of you.

Glad you got it working. It's a nice sim... fingers crossed for a patch! Dave

I take it back, it doesn't seem to have that problem as I've just been in the control options, then looked at the plr file, and deadzone is still set to 0! Iain "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aLmw7.38473$[email hidden]...

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> Yep, it's still got that problem! weird isn't it? > Iain > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ly9w7.13614$[email hidden]... > > Just guessing here (since I don't freaking have it yet!) but maybe you > > still have to do the trick like we did with F1CS2K, where you have to > > manually set the dead zone to zero in the player file? > > > > > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Hi guys.. > > > > > > > >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I > > just > > > >want honest opinions. > > > > > > > >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > > > > > > > >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL > > (have been > > > >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never > > be > > > >beaten crap. > > > > > > > >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) > > > > > > Ok, for a change here's my honest opinion :) > > > > > > Quick first impressions were great. Before I installed it I allready > > > read about the problems with various drivers, and about the > > > run-it-in-a-window-or-use-fraps trick, so when I started it the game > > > run very smooth. In ever way it's an improvement over f1cs. Better > > > graphics, better fps, GREAT sound, AI seems to be very good (didn't > > > test it enough though), variable weather is very good, and I love how > > > bumpy the tracks are, fasten your seatbelts extra tight when you drive > > > on Brazil :) > > > > > > Buuuuut there's one problem. The control of the car didn;t feel right > > > to me. I had problems with steering, way to much oversteer, so much > > > that I had to allmost before a corner before I could enter it. > > > In the corner itself I had to constantly adjust the steering to keep > > > the line. Braking also wasn't good, one time I braked perfectly before > > > a corner, on the next lap my brakes hardly seemed to function. > > > I spend a day on messing with my controller settings.. tried every > > > possible combination of sensitivity and deadzone settings, but to no > > > avail. The car remains crap to drive. I also tried settings from other > > > players who don't have these controller problems, but they also > > > didn;'t help. For now I gave up and deinstalled F1 2001, it's > > > completely unplayable for me at this time. Hope someone finds a > > > solution for this.. > > > > > > Oh, with a couple of guys from VROC we tried multiplayer. > > > We were with 5 or 6 players. We had a couple of problems. > > > It happened twice to me that I started at -exact- the same spot as > > > another player, once in the pitbox, once at the start of a race. > > > This resulted ofcourse in a major crash (of our cars, not the game). > > > But worse, and this happend a couple of times to several players: > > > First lap of the race - I was driving, nothing specaculair going on, > > > some cars far behind me and some cars in front of me, and suddenly the > > > cam switched to outside view, a moving tv-cam. I could still control > > > my car. After a couple of seconds, without warning I was back in the > > > chatroom. I can't think of any reason why this would happen, so I > > > think this is a major bug, especially since it happend a couple of > > > times. > > > Besides this, the driving was reasonable fine. The cars were all > > > warping quite a bit, but this could have been because of a bad > > > connection, allthough the host and most of the players were on a fast > > > cable connection. > > > > > > So all in all, it seems that the basis of f1 2001 is a very good sim, > > > but as long as I can't get the controllers work correct I can't judge > > > it.. I never liked GP3, untill I got the controller setting correct, > > > and since then I love it. I hope the same will happen with f1 2001.. > > > > > > Andre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >James > > > > > > > > > > >

Uh, Joe? F1 2001 doesn't have any FF.... "Joe Marques" <Joe [email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ovkw7.52679$[email hidden]...

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> Hey rrevved, > > I'll save you some time with the PS2 versions: EA wins across the board. > Here's my comparison: > > Physics: > > EA: Feels the way I expect an F1 would except a bit grippy at times and

not > enough feeling of inertia when lifting and "gliding" through chicanes.The > feel is one of tremendous power and speed with very tight control. Easyto > drive but hard to drive extremely well. Control is very direct andsmooth. > FF is good, not GP3 and certainly not GPL but the best F1 after those. > > Sony: Feels very similar to EA. Major difference for me is the actualwheel > control (using the Logitech Force GP). The control isn't as direct or > immediate in this one. > > EA wins here by transferring excellent physics to your hands via controland > decent force feedback. I did my standard F1 physics test: cut the wheeland > pop into first gear. This is the "celebration" dance where the car spinsin > circles. EA looked and behaved exactly as expected, spinning around the > inside front tire. Sony felt artificial, spinning slightly, movingforward > and STOPPING then spinning again. This just didn't feel real. > > Graphics: > > EA: I can't believe how good this looks with 22 cars on the track! GT3are > you listening? Trade in some eye candy for more cars and damage. Pure > racing experience is far more important than the color of the sky atsunset. > Back to EA, the tracks aren't the most accurate but the graphics aresuperb. > Great textures, lighting effects, particle effects, etc. Best F1 visualson > a console by far. > > Sony: Looks dated but certainly still very nice. Little too much shimmer > and jaggies. Colors muted and overall darker. Gameplay impact, it'sharder

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> to see what's ahead. > > EA wins handily again. > > Sound: > > EA: Best sound ever, period. Won't waste too much time describing since I > think it's not even close. > > Sony: Sounds like a toy F1, not even close to reality. > > EA wins again. > > Gameplay: > > EA: Bottom line for me: fun. The AI is a huge improvement over prior

years. > Competitive, sometimes daring, far from perfect. I play sim mode, no > driving aids with EASY opponents. For comparison, my avg. lap at monza is > 1:28. I'm hardly an expert but on easy I'm in the race. I qualify 12-13 > and generally stay competitive throughout, finishing anywhere from top 10to > last depending on the day I'm having. The racing is tight and exciting, > probably more exciting than real F1 which is okay for me since 1 hour of > lapping alone is not my idea of racing. I don't mind a slight departure > from pure F1 that includes more passing and action but still seemsrealistic > and credible. I really enjoy this game. The challenge mode was a funbonus > that is worth going back to as a sort of driving school for the newbies. > > Sony: The AI is pretty good around the track but I can't get around the > first lap! At monza I've crashed and restarted at least 30 times. I'm > either too fast and rear-ending the car in front or too slow and gettinghit > from behind. I know first turns can be treacherous but this is just poor. > There are still hits and spins in EA but I get through the first chicanein

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> EA at least 9/10 times. The lack of a true cockpit view is a big negative > for me as well since I never feel like I'm actually IN a car. > > EA takes this category as well. > > Overall: > > EA is my choice for best modern F1. I won't spend anymore time with GP3

on > the computer since EA on my TV looks better (amazing considering the PC > resolution advantage), feels just as good if not better and is more funand

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> immersive. > > > -- > Joe Marques > > > "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Hi guys.. > > > > > >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I > just > > >want honest opinions. > > > > > >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > > > > > >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have > been > > >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be > > >beaten crap. > > > > > >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) > > > > > > > > >James > > > > > > > Here's my opinion and it may not be shared by others. > > But, you asked, right? > > > > I think F1-2001 is a piece of crap. > > > > I bought it, installed it and have spent a lot of time in an > > effort to make it run without tiny pauses every few seconds. > > > > My system is pretty much a dedicated gaming system: > > > > It is a PIII-1000, GeForce 2 Ultra, 384mb, DX8, > > 12.41 Detonator drivers, SB Live. I use Win98SE. > > F1-2001 is installed on a clean partition with nothing else. > > I have a fixed length swapfile of 800mb on a separate > > drive. I use either a TSW wheel or an Act Labs Force RS. > > Both of my drives are fully defragmented. TONS of > > sims/games are installed and run flawlessly. > > > > I won't accept a game or sim that pauses like F1-2001. > > I have reduced the sim's detail/sound to minimum levels > > and reduced the resolution to 800x600. I use no FSAA. > > > > Same thing. > > > > A reinstallation of DX8, video (12.41) and audio drivers > > (downloaded from creaf.com 2 days ago) had no effect. > > > > I have haunted newsgroup/web boards and tried MANY > > things to prevent the irritating pauses. > > > > I will return it tomorrow and buy both F1-2001 and Sony's > > Formula One 2001 for my PS2. I will probably return one > > of them based on which is the more deserving of return.. :) > > > > All I can say in a positive way about F1-2001 for the PC is > > that Electronics Boutique is a great store. :) > > > > For those who have had good luck with it, good for you. > > For me it will be only a bad memory by mid-afternoon. > > > > ..next? > > > >

glad to hear all is well. That fix is something I should remember more often. I would like to have somebody explain why desktop color depths etc have positive or negative effects on game performance. Anybody have a clue(in PLAIN English)? dave henrie "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 14:06:31 GMT, [email hidden] (John Bodin)wrote: > > >Have you tried running the game in windowed mode??????? > > John, Dave, Mike, and everyone who responded, I -finally- > got F1-2001 to run without pauses.

He's comparing PS2 console versions. Sony doesn't have a current PC F1 sim that I'm aware of. The EA console version of F12k+1 does have FF. dave henrie "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Sqnw7.653355$[email hidden]... > Uh, Joe? F1 2001 doesn't have any FF....

"Jan Verschueren" < > In another of my honest opinions the "GPL will never be beaten crap" only > exists in the mind of some RAS beholders. Personally, I can't remember > having seen such a claim being made in earnest. What I have seen a lot ofis > people lamenting about yet another promising sim failing to beat GPL onall > counts and about, worse still, developers deliberately aiming under themark > when developing a new sim. > > Jan. > =--- Or rather 'promising' to better GPL while knowingly aiming for far less. dave henrie

Maybe try different vcache settings. DOK On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 04:25:59 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 05:04:21 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> I don't know if this applies, but I had similar experiences with F1cs. I >>'fixed' it by NOT overclocking. I had my Piii500 overclocked to 549 or >>something close by using SoftFsb. The menu's even had hesitations. >>Everytime my mouse would move over a menu item, it would stutter and echo. >>During a race the stutters would get worse and worse, even with all detail >>off and screen rez reduced. >> I don't remember why I tried with reducing the overclocking, probably >>testing the pedal fix from Microsoft for dx8a, but I did and the stutter >>disappeared. I can go up to 515mhz but the next step up brought on the >>stutters. Unfortunately, I don't know if it was just the chip speed >>difference or the reduction of the agp multiplyer that cured the >>stutters..But it was sound related combined with overclocking. >>dave henrie > >Hi Dave. I appreciate the suggestions, but I'm not overclocking anything. >Not the processor and not my video card. > >I thought right off that it was a soundcard driver problem, but installing >the latest drivers from Creative didn't have any effect. > >I've just gotten tired of it. I've exhausted my knowledge and >the only thing left is possibly to format c: and start over, but I'm >not going to do that. By the way, there are no background tasks >other than systray and explorer and my processor is showing >about 90-92% prior to launching F1-2001. >. >>"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:[email hidden]... >>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard" >><[email hidden]> wrote: >>> >>> >Hi guys.. >>> > >>> >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I >>just >>> >want honest opinions. >>> > >>> >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? >>> > >>> >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have >>been >>> >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be >>> >beaten crap. >>> > >>> >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) >>> > >>> > >>> >James >>> > >>> >>> Here's my opinion and it may not be shared by others. >>> But, you asked, right? >>> >>> I think F1-2001 is a piece of crap. >>> >>> I bought it, installed it and have spent a lot of time in an >>> effort to make it run without tiny pauses every few seconds. >>> >>> My system is pretty much a dedicated gaming system: >>> >>> It is a PIII-1000, GeForce 2 Ultra, 384mb, DX8, >>> 12.41 Detonator drivers, SB Live. I use Win98SE. >>> F1-2001 is installed on a clean partition with nothing else. >>> I have a fixed length swapfile of 800mb on a separate >>> drive. I use either a TSW wheel or an Act Labs Force RS. >>> Both of my drives are fully defragmented. TONS of >>> sims/games are installed and run flawlessly. >>> >>> I won't accept a game or sim that pauses like F1-2001. >>> I have reduced the sim's detail/sound to minimum levels >>> and reduced the resolution to 800x600. I use no FSAA. >>> >>> Same thing. >>> >>> A reinstallation of DX8, video (12.41) and audio drivers >>> (downloaded from creaf.com 2 days ago) had no effect. >>> >>> I have haunted newsgroup/web boards and tried MANY >>> things to prevent the irritating pauses. >>> >>> I will return it tomorrow and buy both F1-2001 and Sony's >>> Formula One 2001 for my PS2. I will probably return one >>> of them based on which is the more deserving of return.. :) >>> >>> All I can say in a positive way about F1-2001 for the PC is >>> that Electronics Boutique is a great store. :) >>> >>> For those who have had good luck with it, good for you. >>> For me it will be only a bad memory by mid-afternoon. >>> >>> ..next? >>> >>

Good to hear that they got rid of the arbitrary deadzone, bad to hear that this still doesn't clear up the vague steering. :o( "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3hnw7.38965$[email hidden]... > I take it back, it doesn't seem to have that problem as I've just beenin > the control options, then looked at the plr file, and deadzone isstill set

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> to 0! > Iain > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aLmw7.38473$[email hidden]... > > Yep, it's still got that problem! weird isn't it? > > Iain > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Ly9w7.13614$[email hidden]... > > > Just guessing here (since I don't freaking have it yet!) but maybe

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> > > manually set the dead zone to zero in the player file? > > > > > > > > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard" > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Hi guys.. > > > > > > > > > >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else

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> > > just > > > > >want honest opinions. > > > > > > > > > >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > > > > > > > > > >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL > > > (have been > > > > >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will

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> > > be > > > > >beaten crap. > > > > > > > > > >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) > > > > > > > > Ok, for a change here's my honest opinion :) > > > > > > > > Quick first impressions were great. Before I installed it I

allready > > > > read about the problems with various drivers, and about the > > > > run-it-in-a-window-or-use-fraps trick, so when I started it thegame > > > > run very smooth. In ever way it's an improvement over f1cs.Better > > > > graphics, better fps, GREAT sound, AI seems to be very good(didn't > > > > test it enough though), variable weather is very good, and Ilove how > > > > bumpy the tracks are, fasten your seatbelts extra tight when youdrive > > > > on Brazil :) > > > > > > > > Buuuuut there's one problem. The control of the car didn;t feelright > > > > to me. I had problems with steering, way to much oversteer, somuch > > > > that I had to allmost before a corner before I could enter it. > > > > In the corner itself I had to constantly adjust the steering tokeep > > > > the line. Braking also wasn't good, one time I braked perfectlybefore > > > > a corner, on the next lap my brakes hardly seemed to function. > > > > I spend a day on messing with my controller settings.. triedevery > > > > possible combination of sensitivity and deadzone settings, butto no > > > > avail. The car remains crap to drive. I also tried settings fromother

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> > > > players who don't have these controller problems, but they also > > > > didn;'t help. For now I gave up and deinstalled F1 2001, it's > > > > completely unplayable for me at this time. Hope someone finds a > > > > solution for this.. > > > > > > > > Oh, with a couple of guys from VROC we tried multiplayer. > > > > We were with 5 or 6 players. We had a couple of problems. > > > > It happened twice to me that I started at -exact- the same spot

as > > > > another player, once in the pitbox, once at the start of a race. > > > > This resulted ofcourse in a major crash (of our cars, not thegame). > > > > But worse, and this happend a couple of times to severalplayers: > > > > First lap of the race - I was driving, nothing specaculair goingon, > > > > some cars far behind me and some cars in front of me, andsuddenly the > > > > cam switched to outside view, a moving tv-cam. I could stillcontrol > > > > my car. After a couple of seconds, without warning I was back inthe > > > > chatroom. I can't think of any reason why this would happen, soI > > > > think this is a major bug, especially since it happend a coupleof > > > > times. > > > > Besides this, the driving was reasonable fine. The cars were all > > > > warping quite a bit, but this could have been because of a bad > > > > connection, allthough the host and most of the players were on afast > > > > cable connection. > > > > > > > > So all in all, it seems that the basis of f1 2001 is a very goodsim, > > > > but as long as I can't get the controllers work correct I can'tjudge > > > > it.. I never liked GP3, untill I got the controller settingcorrect, > > > > and since then I love it. I hope the same will happen with f12001..

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No vague steering here - my Ferrari wheel works like a dream! Iain "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1ipw7.13646$[email hidden]...

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> Good to hear that they got rid of the arbitrary deadzone, bad to hear > that this still doesn't clear up the vague steering. :o( > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3hnw7.38965$[email hidden]... > > I take it back, it doesn't seem to have that problem as I've just been > in > > the control options, then looked at the plr file, and deadzone is > still set > > to 0! > > Iain > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:aLmw7.38473$[email hidden]... > > > Yep, it's still got that problem! weird isn't it? > > > Iain > > > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:Ly9w7.13614$[email hidden]... > > > > Just guessing here (since I don't freaking have it yet!) but maybe > you > > > > still have to do the trick like we did with F1CS2K, where you have > to > > > > manually set the dead zone to zero in the player file? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:53:03 GMT, "James Pickard" > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Hi guys.. > > > > > > > > > > > >Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else > sucks. I > > > > just > > > > > >want honest opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > >Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > > > > > > > > > > > >Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL > > > > (have been > > > > > >since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will > never > > > > be > > > > > >beaten crap. > > > > > > > > > > > >Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) > > > > > > > > > > Ok, for a change here's my honest opinion :) > > > > > > > > > > Quick first impressions were great. Before I installed it I > allready > > > > > read about the problems with various drivers, and about the > > > > > run-it-in-a-window-or-use-fraps trick, so when I started it the > game > > > > > run very smooth. In ever way it's an improvement over f1cs. > Better > > > > > graphics, better fps, GREAT sound, AI seems to be very good > (didn't > > > > > test it enough though), variable weather is very good, and I > love how > > > > > bumpy the tracks are, fasten your seatbelts extra tight when you > drive > > > > > on Brazil :) > > > > > > > > > > Buuuuut there's one problem. The control of the car didn;t feel > right > > > > > to me. I had problems with steering, way to much oversteer, so > much > > > > > that I had to allmost before a corner before I could enter it. > > > > > In the corner itself I had to constantly adjust the steering to > keep > > > > > the line. Braking also wasn't good, one time I braked perfectly > before > > > > > a corner, on the next lap my brakes hardly seemed to function. > > > > > I spend a day on messing with my controller settings.. tried > every > > > > > possible combination of sensitivity and deadzone settings, but > to no > > > > > avail. The car remains crap to drive. I also tried settings from > other > > > > > players who don't have these controller problems, but they also > > > > > didn;'t help. For now I gave up and deinstalled F1 2001, it's > > > > > completely unplayable for me at this time. Hope someone finds a > > > > > solution for this.. > > > > > > > > > > Oh, with a couple of guys from VROC we tried multiplayer. > > > > > We were with 5 or 6 players. We had a couple of problems. > > > > > It happened twice to me that I started at -exact- the same spot > as > > > > > another player, once in the pitbox, once at the start of a race. > > > > > This resulted ofcourse in a major crash (of our cars, not the > game). > > > > > But worse, and this happend a couple of times to several > players: > > > > > First lap of the race - I was driving, nothing specaculair going > on, > > > > > some cars far behind me and some cars in front of me, and > suddenly the > > > > > cam switched to outside view, a moving tv-cam. I could still > control > > > > > my car. After a couple of seconds, without warning I was back in > the > > > > > chatroom. I can't think of any reason why this would happen, so > I > > > > > think this is a major bug, especially since it happend a couple > of > > > > > times. > > > > > Besides this, the driving was reasonable fine. The cars were all > > > > > warping quite a bit, but this could have been because of a bad > > > > > connection, allthough the host and most of the players were on a > fast > > > > > cable connection. > > > > > > > > > > So all in all, it seems that the basis of f1 2001 is a very good > sim, > > > > > but as long as I can't get the controllers work correct I can't > judge > > > > > it.. I never liked GP3, untill I got the controller setting > correct, > > > > > and since then I love it. I hope the same will happen with f1 > 2001.. > > > > > > > > > > Andre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Dave, No he wasn't: <<EA: Feels the way I expect an F1 would except a bit grippy at times and not enough feeling of inertia when lifting and "gliding" through chicanes. The feel is one of tremendous power and speed with very tight control. Easy to drive but hard to drive extremely well. Control is very direct and smooth. FF is good, not GP3 and certainly not GPL but the best F1 after those.>> What's it say at the head of that paragraph? Sony? No, "EA," which is what Joe was calling the PC version. Of course, I could be wrong. --Steve "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UZnw7.93804$[email hidden]...

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> He's comparing PS2 console versions. Sony doesn't have a current PC F1 > sim that I'm aware of. The EA console version of F12k+1 does have FF. > dave henrie > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Sqnw7.653355$[email hidden]... > > Uh, Joe? F1 2001 doesn't have any FF.... > > >

Dave, I see. I thought Joe was comparing EA's "F1 2001" for the PC with EA's "Formula One 2001" for the *Sony* PS2. Apples, apologies & oranges. --Steve "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UZnw7.93804$[email hidden]...

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> He's comparing PS2 console versions. Sony doesn't have a current PC F1 > sim that I'm aware of. The EA console version of F12k+1 does have FF. > dave henrie > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Sqnw7.653355$[email hidden]... > > Uh, Joe? F1 2001 doesn't have any FF.... > > >

I just tried the dual shock. It's actually easier to drive in a straight line with the dual shock then the wheel. You should be fine. -- Joe Marques "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:29:34 GMT, "Joe Marques" <Joe [email hidden]> wrote: > > Joe, thanks for the info. > > Is F1-2001-PS2 easily controllable in the sim mode using > a dual-shock? I heard it was extremely difficult to drive in > a straight line. I have no way to position myself with a wheel > and pedals in front of my TV. > > Thanks for any additional info! > > >Hey rrevved, > > > >I'll save you some time with the PS2 versions: EA wins across the board. > >Here's my comparison: > > > >Physics: > > > >EA: Feels the way I expect an F1 would except a bit grippy at times and not > >enough feeling of inertia when lifting and "gliding" through chicanes. The > >feel is one of tremendous power and speed with very tight control. Easy to > >drive but hard to drive extremely well. Control is very direct and smooth. > >FF is good, not GP3 and certainly not GPL but the best F1 after those. > > > >Sony: Feels very similar to EA. Major difference for me is the actual wheel > >control (using the Logitech Force GP). The control isn't as direct or > >immediate in this one. > > > >EA wins here by transferring excellent physics to your hands via control and > >decent force feedback. I did my standard F1 physics test: cut the wheel and > >pop into first gear. This is the "celebration" dance where the car spins in > >circles. EA looked and behaved exactly as expected, spinning around the > >inside front tire. Sony felt artificial, spinning slightly, moving forward > >and STOPPING then spinning again. This just didn't feel real. > > > >Graphics: > > > >EA: I can't believe how good this looks with 22 cars on the track! GT3 are > >you listening? Trade in some eye candy for more cars and damage. Pure > >racing experience is far more important than the color of the sky at sunset. > >Back to EA, the tracks aren't the most accurate but the graphics are superb. > >Great textures, lighting effects, particle effects, etc. Best F1 visuals on > >a console by far. > > > >Sony: Looks dated but certainly still very nice. Little too much shimmer > >and jaggies. Colors muted and overall darker. Gameplay impact, it's harder > >to see what's ahead. > > > >EA wins handily again. > > > >Sound: > > > >EA: Best sound ever, period. Won't waste too much time describing since I > >think it's not even close. > > > >Sony: Sounds like a toy F1, not even close to reality. > > > >EA wins again. > > > >Gameplay: > > > >EA: Bottom line for me: fun. The AI is a huge improvement over prior years. > >Competitive, sometimes daring, far from perfect. I play sim mode, no > >driving aids with EASY opponents. For comparison, my avg. lap at monza is > >1:28. I'm hardly an expert but on easy I'm in the race. I qualify 12-13 > >and generally stay competitive throughout, finishing anywhere from top 10 to > >last depending on the day I'm having. The racing is tight and exciting, > >probably more exciting than real F1 which is okay for me since 1 hour of > >lapping alone is not my idea of racing. I don't mind a slight departure > >from pure F1 that includes more passing and action but still seems realistic > >and credible. I really enjoy this game. The challenge mode was a fun bonus > >that is worth going back to as a sort of driving school for the newbies. > > > >Sony: The AI is pretty good around the track but I can't get around the > >first lap! At monza I've crashed and restarted at least 30 times. I'm > >either too fast and rear-ending the car in front or too slow and getting hit > >from behind. I know first turns can be treacherous but this is just poor. > >There are still hits and spins in EA but I get through the first chicane in > >EA at least 9/10 times. The lack of a true cockpit view is a big negative > >for me as well since I never feel like I'm actually IN a car. > > > >EA takes this category as well. > > > >Overall: > > > >EA is my choice for best modern F1. I won't spend anymore time with GP3 on > >the computer since EA on my TV looks better (amazing considering the PC > >resolution advantage), feels just as good if not better and is more fun and > >immersive. >

In article <985w7.35964$[email hidden]>, "Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> writes: >I got F1 2001 on Friday and wasn't able to drive it until this afternoon. I >have already put in more laps in it then in GP3 and F1 CS2K combined. For >the first time since GP2 I have a modern F1 sim that I want to put in the >time to learn properly. For some reason it just feels right, even without >FF. You didn't run that many laps in GP3 and F1CS2k? Why - were they that difficult, or just that bad? If they were that bad, why do you think so? I have them both. I'm not GOOD at them(no surprise), but I think they're ok... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

This is what I saw...we may be crossing threads :) ___ Hey rrevved, I'll save you some time with the PS2 versions: EA wins across the board. Here's my comparison: ____ dh "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OOrw7.654368$[email hidden]...

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> Dave, > > No he wasn't: > > <<EA: Feels the way I expect an F1 would except a bit grippy at times and > not > enough feeling of inertia when lifting and "gliding" through chicanes.

The > feel is one of tremendous power and speed with very tight control. Easyto > drive but hard to drive extremely well. Control is very direct andsmooth. > FF is good, not GP3 and certainly not GPL but the best F1 after those.>> > > What's it say at the head of that paragraph? Sony? No, "EA," which iswhat

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> Joe was calling the PC version. Of course, I could be wrong. > > --Steve > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:UZnw7.93804$[email hidden]... > > He's comparing PS2 console versions. Sony doesn't have a current PC

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> > sim that I'm aware of. The EA console version of F12k+1 does have FF. > > dave henrie > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Sqnw7.653355$[email hidden]... > > > Uh, Joe? F1 2001 doesn't have any FF.... > > > > > > > >

It's because a lot of drivers (mainly nVidia ones) have a setting for "use the desktop color depth". I guess it has problems when you have desktop at 16bit, the drivers try to use 16bit, and the game wants to use 32bit. And vice versa. There may be other reasons as well (I'm sure someone will help us there...) Rafe Mc On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:23:55 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> glad to hear all is well. That fix is something I should remember more >often. I would like to have somebody explain why desktop color depths etc >have positive or negative effects on game performance. Anybody have a >clue(in PLAIN English)? >dave henrie >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 14:06:31 GMT, [email hidden] (John Bodin) >wrote: >> >> >Have you tried running the game in windowed mode??????? >> >> John, Dave, Mike, and everyone who responded, I -finally- >> got F1-2001 to run without pauses. >

"Stephen Smith" wrote > Dave, > > I see. I thought Joe was comparing EA's "F1 2001" for the PC with EA's > "Formula One 2001" for the *Sony* PS2. Apples, apologies & oranges. > > --Steve You think you'll get away with that gaff using simple fruit, Steve? Flame him, flame him I say :-) Tony

On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 06:23:36 GMT, [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) wrote: >It's because a lot of drivers (mainly nVidia ones) have a setting for >"use the desktop color depth". That only applies to the OpenGL drivers. Some games do not switch to 16bit though, even though you have it set to in the game options, and use your desktop settings.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > You didn't run that many laps in GP3 and F1CS2k? Why - were they that > difficult, or just that bad? If they were that bad, why do you think so?I > have them both. I'm not GOOD at them(no surprise), but I think they'reok... I'd better start by saying that I buy almost all the race sims around so that I can post about them at Legends Central if required. This means that I have a pretty extensive collection so inevitably sims get left by the way side. My main sim of choice is GPL with N4 as a backup. In the last 3 or 4 months I can't recall running another sim apart from these two. I didn't run many laps in GP3 because the AI weren't very good plus you couldn't hear them. I got fed up with crashing into the AI when I turned in simply because I had no idea they were there. I also wasn't a big fan of the graphics which looked very dated. I did try the GPxPatch and the graphical updates but the sim simply didn't appeal to me. I didn't run many laps in F1CS2k because I didn't like the track graphics, particularly the arcade style brake boards. I also didn't like the FF. Again the sim lacked that certain something to get me excited. F1 2001 certainly appears to have appeal at the moment. I have run 80+ laps at Silverstone so far working on setups and have really enjoyed it. The only other tracks I have run at are Spa and Monacop where I have done a couple of laps each. Silverstone just seems right. It is the only F1 track I have been to and I was really impressed by some of the details. For example, I sat in a stand next to the BRDC building during part of the F1 test day I went to. That stand is modelled as a track side object and even has BRDC written in the seats. A very nice touch that shows atention to detail. Cheers Phil Lee Legends Central Admin http://www.legendscentral.com

Glad you like it! After reading many of your posts over the last couple of years, I had a feeling you'd be impressed. Although I haven't played F1 2001 for the PC, I do know that F1 2000 isn't close to the PS2 F1 2001 in terms of FF, physics, feel and racing fun. Someone mentioned that the PS2 version was developed in house by EA Sports and not by ISI. He claimed that in the credits there is a "special thanks" to ISI. Doesn't sound like the developer would thank themselves ;-) so this must be an EA Sports production. I haven't checked the credits yet but it makes sense that this is not ISI based on the fact that the newest PC version has no FF while the PS2 not only has FF but it's far better than last years PC version. Hardly absolute proof but certainly reasonable doubt. Have fun with F1 2001 for PS2. -- Joe Marques "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:29:34 GMT, "Joe Marques" <Joe [email hidden]> wrote: > > Joe, I just got this thing and I am in the middle of my 'tests'. > I am SO impressed, I can hardly contain myself. I think a lot > of people here will simply dismiss this as the 'PS2 version > of F1-2001 PC'. As you know, nothing could be further off > the mark. There is no similarity whatsoever. I encourage those > that haven't seen this on PS2 to ...see it. > > I am more thrilled than a very thrilled thing. Thanks for > taking the time to give me an idea of what this was like. > > To quote those much younger than myself: > > This r00lz! > > :) > > >Hey rrevved, > > > >I'll save you some time with the PS2 versions: EA wins across the board. > >Here's my comparison: > > > >Physics: > > > >EA: Feels the way I expect an F1 would except a bit grippy at times and not > >enough feeling of inertia when lifting and "gliding" through chicanes. The > >feel is one of tremendous power and speed with very tight control. Easy to > >drive but hard to drive extremely well. Control is very direct and smooth. > >FF is good, not GP3 and certainly not GPL but the best F1 after those. > > > >Sony: Feels very similar to EA. Major difference for me is the actual wheel > >control (using the Logitech Force GP). The control isn't as direct or > >immediate in this one. > > > >EA wins here by transferring excellent physics to your hands via control and > >decent force feedback. I did my standard F1 physics test: cut the wheel and > >pop into first gear. This is the "celebration" dance where the car spins in > >circles. EA looked and behaved exactly as expected, spinning around the > >inside front tire. Sony felt artificial, spinning slightly, moving forward > >and STOPPING then spinning again. This just didn't feel real. > > > >Graphics: > > > >EA: I can't believe how good this looks with 22 cars on the track! GT3 are > >you listening? Trade in some eye candy for more cars and damage. Pure > >racing experience is far more important than the color of the sky at sunset. > >Back to EA, the tracks aren't the most accurate but the graphics are superb. > >Great textures, lighting effects, particle effects, etc. Best F1 visuals on > >a console by far. > > > >Sony: Looks dated but certainly still very nice. Little too much shimmer > >and jaggies. Colors muted and overall darker. Gameplay impact, it's harder > >to see what's ahead. > > > >EA wins handily again. > > > >Sound: > > > >EA: Best sound ever, period. Won't waste too much time describing since I > >think it's not even close. > > > >Sony: Sounds like a toy F1, not even close to reality. > > > >EA wins again. > > > >Gameplay: > > > >EA: Bottom line for me: fun. The AI is a huge improvement over prior years. > >Competitive, sometimes daring, far from perfect. I play sim mode, no > >driving aids with EASY opponents. For comparison, my avg. lap at monza is > >1:28. I'm hardly an expert but on easy I'm in the race. I qualify 12-13 > >and generally stay competitive throughout, finishing anywhere from top 10 to > >last depending on the day I'm having. The racing is tight and exciting, > >probably more exciting than real F1 which is okay for me since 1 hour of > >lapping alone is not my idea of racing. I don't mind a slight departure > >from pure F1 that includes more passing and action but still seems realistic > >and credible. I really enjoy this game. The challenge mode was a fun bonus > >that is worth going back to as a sort of driving school for the newbies. > > > >Sony: The AI is pretty good around the track but I can't get around the > >first lap! At monza I've crashed and restarted at least 30 times. I'm > >either too fast and rear-ending the car in front or too slow and getting hit > >from behind. I know first turns can be treacherous but this is just poor. > >There are still hits and spins in EA but I get through the first chicane in > >EA at least 9/10 times. The lack of a true cockpit view is a big negative > >for me as well since I never feel like I'm actually IN a car. > > > >EA takes this category as well. > > > >Overall: > > > >EA is my choice for best modern F1. I won't spend anymore time with GP3 on > >the computer since EA on my TV looks better (amazing considering the PC > >resolution advantage), feels just as good if not better and is more fun and > >immersive. >

Rrevved, When you've thrashed it around a bit, please post some in-depth comments. Personally, as a notebook user, I cannot justify purchasing a desktop just to run a game (which is what it would probably take to do the PC version justice), but there is a conspicuously empty space under my TV which as of yet does not contain a DVD player, and the PS2 just dropped to 440 SFr (about 260 USD) here in Switzerland, and with WRC just around the corner as well... However, the F1 games to date on the PS2 (F1RC, Sony's F1-2001) left me flat after a few laps. There was no comparison to the perceived realism of a PC-based sim. Sure, GP3 is ugly as a brick compared to the newer PS2 and PC games, but I still have a great feel of leaning on the car on a hot lap, and of dicing with proper opponents (especially in GP3-2000). GPL with all the graphical updates still leaves me breathless, and I've yet to find a console rally sim which approaches RallyMasters for car feel. So, give me a shout when you come up for air. Stephen rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:29:34 GMT, "Joe Marques" <Joe [email hidden]>wrote:

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> > Joe, I just got this thing and I am in the middle of my 'tests'. > I am SO impressed, I can hardly contain myself. I think a lot > of people here will simply dismiss this as the 'PS2 version > of F1-2001 PC'. As you know, nothing could be further off > the mark. There is no similarity whatsoever. I encourage those > that haven't seen this on PS2 to ...see it. > > I am more thrilled than a very thrilled thing. Thanks for > taking the time to give me an idea of what this was like. > > To quote those much younger than myself: > > This r00lz! > > :) > > >Hey rrevved, > > > >I'll save you some time with the PS2 versions: EA wins across the board. > >Here's my comparison: > > > >Physics: > > > >EA: Feels the way I expect an F1 would except a bit grippy at times and

not > >enough feeling of inertia when lifting and "gliding" through chicanes.The > >feel is one of tremendous power and speed with very tight control. Easyto > >drive but hard to drive extremely well. Control is very direct andsmooth. > >FF is good, not GP3 and certainly not GPL but the best F1 after those. > > > >Sony: Feels very similar to EA. Major difference for me is the actualwheel > >control (using the Logitech Force GP). The control isn't as direct or > >immediate in this one. > > > >EA wins here by transferring excellent physics to your hands via controland > >decent force feedback. I did my standard F1 physics test: cut the wheeland > >pop into first gear. This is the "celebration" dance where the car spinsin > >circles. EA looked and behaved exactly as expected, spinning around the > >inside front tire. Sony felt artificial, spinning slightly, movingforward > >and STOPPING then spinning again. This just didn't feel real. > > > >Graphics: > > > >EA: I can't believe how good this looks with 22 cars on the track! GT3are > >you listening? Trade in some eye candy for more cars and damage. Pure > >racing experience is far more important than the color of the sky atsunset. > >Back to EA, the tracks aren't the most accurate but the graphics aresuperb. > >Great textures, lighting effects, particle effects, etc. Best F1 visualson > >a console by far. > > > >Sony: Looks dated but certainly still very nice. Little too muchshimmer > >and jaggies. Colors muted and overall darker. Gameplay impact, it'sharder

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> >to see what's ahead. > > > >EA wins handily again. > > > >Sound: > > > >EA: Best sound ever, period. Won't waste too much time describing since

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> >think it's not even close. > > > >Sony: Sounds like a toy F1, not even close to reality. > > > >EA wins again. > > > >Gameplay: > > > >EA: Bottom line for me: fun. The AI is a huge improvement over prior

years. > >Competitive, sometimes daring, far from perfect. I play sim mode, no > >driving aids with EASY opponents. For comparison, my avg. lap at monzais > >1:28. I'm hardly an expert but on easy I'm in the race. I qualify 12-13 > >and generally stay competitive throughout, finishing anywhere from top 10to > >last depending on the day I'm having. The racing is tight and exciting, > >probably more exciting than real F1 which is okay for me since 1 hour of > >lapping alone is not my idea of racing. I don't mind a slight departure > >from pure F1 that includes more passing and action but still seemsrealistic > >and credible. I really enjoy this game. The challenge mode was a funbonus > >that is worth going back to as a sort of driving school for the newbies. > > > >Sony: The AI is pretty good around the track but I can't get around the > >first lap! At monza I've crashed and restarted at least 30 times. I'm > >either too fast and rear-ending the car in front or too slow and gettinghit > >from behind. I know first turns can be treacherous but this is justpoor. > >There are still hits and spins in EA but I get through the first chicanein > >EA at least 9/10 times. The lack of a true cockpit view is a bignegative

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> >for me as well since I never feel like I'm actually IN a car. > > > >EA takes this category as well. > > > >Overall: > > > >EA is my choice for best modern F1. I won't spend anymore time with GP3

on > >the computer since EA on my TV looks better (amazing considering the PC > >resolution advantage), feels just as good if not better and is more funand > >immersive. >

Heh, GPL, GP3 and Rally Masters - all games that I hated at first but now I can't get enough of them. Can't wait to try F1 2001 - PC or PS2 if it's as great as people say it is.

In article <S6Hw7.2878$[email hidden]>, "Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> You didn't run that many laps in GP3 and F1CS2k? Why - were they that >> difficult, or just that bad? If they were that bad, why do you think so? >I >> have them both. I'm not GOOD at them(no surprise), but I think they're >ok... > >I'd better start by saying that I buy almost all the race sims around so >that I can post about them at Legends Central if required. This means that >I have a pretty extensive collection so inevitably sims get left by the way >side. My main sim of choice is GPL with N4 as a backup. In the last 3 or 4 >months I can't recall running another sim apart from these two. >

That's cool. Most of the time(when I *have* time), I'm running GPL. >I didn't run many laps in GP3 because the AI weren't very good plus you >couldn't hear them. I got fed up with crashing into the AI when I turned in >simply because I had no idea they were there. I also wasn't a big fan of >the graphics which looked very dated. I did try the GPxPatch and the >graphical updates but the sim simply didn't appeal to me. Maybe I knew the AI was there because I'm used to being lapped, and thus use my mirrors more than you?<g> I guess I never got good enough to actually RACE with the AI. Or, I attributed any accidents to my lack of skill. I haven't run the GPxPatch yet. > >I didn't run many laps in F1CS2k because I didn't like the track graphics, >particularly the arcade style brake boards. I also didn't like the FF. >Again the sim lacked that certain something to get me excited. It's probable that I didn't notice the graphics in F1CS2K because I was too busy just trying to stay on the TRACK.<g> I don't have a FF wheel, so that's not an issue. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The AI cars in GP3 aren't too bad - if you're too aggressive, you'll be pounded. The 3D sound in GP32000 does make quite a difference - much easier to hear when a car is making an overly ambitious overtaking manoeuvre.

I bought it. Fiddled with the controller setup for the longest time (to get the feel right) until I decided to copy my F1-2000 settings! LOL. Something like 50%, 35% sensitivity and 0% dead zone. I run it in 1024x768x32 with all AI, full track, medium AI car details and get 25-40ish FPS. With 25ish on the grid. The only bug I can see, is the mirrors don't work for me on my KyroII even in 16-bit color mode. I love the physics, graphics and sound. I wish it had telemetry. I'm working on testing multiplayer -- at least it has online practice, qualify and warm-up sessions! :) It is better than F1-2000 -- Yes. I don't have F1-2000-CS so I can't comment on that, but for $45 CAD it was pretty cheap! :) Jason. James Pickard wrote:

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> > Hi guys.. > > Ok, none of this sensationlist: GPL rules, everything else sucks. I just > want honest opinions. > > Is F1 2001 worth getting? better than F1 2000 CS? > > Personally, I liked all of them, and GP3, but I'm also love GPL (have been > since it came out), but I do get sick of hearing the GPL will never be > beaten crap. > > Honest opinions need apply only... ;0))) > > James

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On Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:46:02 GMT, Jason Monds <[email hidden]> wrote: >I bought it. Fiddled with the controller setup for the longest time (to >get the feel right) until I decided to copy my F1-2000 settings! LOL. >Something like 50%, 35% sensitivity and 0% dead zone. > >I run it in 1024x768x32 with all AI, full track, medium AI car details and >get 25-40ish FPS. With 25ish on the grid. Don't run it in 32bit mode. You will get no benefit by doing so, but will slow the game down by doing so.