F1 2001 - make your version of F1 Papy/Sierra!

Well, ..., I have tried to get in love to F1 2001... There are a couple of things that harm me in this project: Making the sim work fluently seems to be a big problem: getting over 10fps at the start of Suzuka seems to demand a lot of work... And my system is not a low end one: AMD 1.13, GF2 GTS (driver 12.90), ... An ff would be nice! A good ff, not any "EA ff" ..... :-/ Just for fun I tried the good old N4 (and of course GPL :-) and once again I found the professionalism, of how well Papyrus/Sierra make their products!!! Is there really no hope that they would make a modern F1 simulator based on the engines (physics, graphics...) of N4 (and thus GPL)??? Do you hear me, Papy/Sierra? Listen, please! :-) Arto -- http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/music.html

How many 'Modern' F1 sims are out there? Criminey! Why would Papyrus want to spend two-four years coding something that has to compete with almost a half dozen products? And of those, 3 are published by major distributors with Name brand identity already established. So you see there is really no REASON for Papyrus to venture into such crowded waters. A gem covered in a field of rocks is just another rock. Of course I said this about the Athlon Patch for GPL as well,<<so you can see I am not a good indicator>>...."we'd NEVER see such a patch," I said...hehehe(pssst I also said we'd never see another CART title from Papyrus....can Lightning Strike Thrice?) btw...that gts is letting you down some AND you can up that AMD several levels, everybit helps. also have you been running F12k+1 in a window? Check out the various threads going on. dave henrie "Arto Wikla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wikla.1002927728@kanasaari...

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> Well, ..., I have tried to get in love to F1 2001... > There are a couple of things that harm me in this project: > > Making the sim work fluently seems to be a big problem: > getting over 10fps at the start of Suzuka seems to demand > a lot of work... And my system is not a low end one: > AMD 1.13, GF2 GTS (driver 12.90), ... > > An ff would be nice! A good ff, not any "EA ff" ..... :-/ > > Just for fun I tried the good old N4 (and of course GPL :-) > and once again I found the professionalism, of how well > Papyrus/Sierra make their products!!! > > Is there really no hope that they would make a modern F1 > simulator based on the engines (physics, graphics...) of > N4 (and thus GPL)??? > > Do you hear me, Papy/Sierra? Listen, please! :-) > > Arto > -- > http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/music.html

I agree! The graphics have a 'breathing' effect to them. Lots of slow down's. Seems like it's always doing some sort of 'time compression', similar to what Grand Prix 2 did (but not nearly as well). Also, I have yet to get my MSFFW to work properly with it at all. -Larry "Arto Wikla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wikla.1002927728@kanasaari...

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> Well, ..., I have tried to get in love to F1 2001... > There are a couple of things that harm me in this project: > > Making the sim work fluently seems to be a big problem: > getting over 10fps at the start of Suzuka seems to demand > a lot of work... And my system is not a low end one: > AMD 1.13, GF2 GTS (driver 12.90), ... > > An ff would be nice! A good ff, not any "EA ff" ..... :-/ > > Just for fun I tried the good old N4 (and of course GPL :-) > and once again I found the professionalism, of how well > Papyrus/Sierra make their products!!! > > Is there really no hope that they would make a modern F1 > simulator based on the engines (physics, graphics...) of > N4 (and thus GPL)??? > > Do you hear me, Papy/Sierra? Listen, please! :-) > > Arto > -- > http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/music.html

In message <wikla.1002927728@kanasaari> [email hidden] (Arto Wikla) wrote: > Is there really no hope that they would make a modern F1 simulator based > on the engines (physics, graphics...) of N4 (and thus GPL)??? No, no, no! Modern F1 is boring!!! :-) And the market is saturated. What about using the N4/GPL engine to create a super-doopa touring car game? We could have 'BTC Touring[*]', Super Touring, Super Production, DTM, Oz V8 classes etc. Heck, if the physics were up to the N4/GPL standard, I'd pay 50ukp or more for a 'BTC Touring' game, even if it only had a couple of tracks!!! > Do you hear me, Papy/Sierra? Listen, please! :-) Nah... they can listen to me! ;-) [*] the amazing new British Touring Car Championship cars. See http://www.tocatour.co/uk/ecp http://www.tripleeight.co.uk http://www.vlrltd.com http://www.totalmotorsport.com http://www.redshoes-racing.com http://www.btccpages.com -- Richard. "Got to be good looking, cos it's so hard to please."

<waiting for TRUSRS85 to post> "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8iLx7.717$[email hidden]... > How many 'Modern' F1 sims are out there? Criminey! Why wouldPapyrus > want to spend two-four years coding something that has to compete with > almost a half dozen products? And of those, 3 are published by major > distributors with Name brand identity already established. So you seethere > is really no REASON for Papyrus to venture into such crowded waters.A gem > covered in a field of rocks is just another rock. > Of course I said this about the Athlon Patch for GPL as well,<<so youcan > see I am not a good indicator>>...."we'd NEVER see such a patch," I > said...hehehe(pssst I also said we'd never see another CART title from > Papyrus....can Lightning Strike Thrice?) > btw...that gts is letting you down some AND you can up that AMDseveral

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> levels, everybit helps. > also have you been running F12k+1 in a window? Check out the various > threads going on. > dave henrie > "Arto Wikla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wikla.1002927728@kanasaari... > > Well, ..., I have tried to get in love to F1 2001... > > There are a couple of things that harm me in this project: > > > > Making the sim work fluently seems to be a big problem: > > getting over 10fps at the start of Suzuka seems to demand > > a lot of work... And my system is not a low end one: > > AMD 1.13, GF2 GTS (driver 12.90), ... > > > > An ff would be nice! A good ff, not any "EA ff" ..... :-/ > > > > Just for fun I tried the good old N4 (and of course GPL :-) > > and once again I found the professionalism, of how well > > Papyrus/Sierra make their products!!! > > > > Is there really no hope that they would make a modern F1 > > simulator based on the engines (physics, graphics...) of > > N4 (and thus GPL)??? > > > > Do you hear me, Papy/Sierra? Listen, please! :-) > > > > Arto > > -- > > http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/music.html > >

"Richard Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In message <wikla.1002927728@kanasaari> > [email hidden] (Arto Wikla) wrote: > > > Is there really no hope that they would make a modern F1 simulatorbased > > on the engines (physics, graphics...) of N4 (and thus GPL)??? > > No, no, no! Modern F1 is boring!!! :-) And the market is saturated. > > What about using the N4/GPL engine to create a super-doopa touring cargame? > We could have 'BTC Touring[*]', Super Touring, Super Production, DTM, OzV8

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> classes etc. > > Heck, if the physics were up to the N4/GPL standard, I'd pay 50ukp or more > for a 'BTC Touring' game, even if it only had a couple of tracks!!! > > > Do you hear me, Papy/Sierra? Listen, please! :-) > > Nah... they can listen to me! ;-)

IF! they could add some grip to the cars, so they could bounce off each other without spinning, and IF they could add side mirrors that could be knocked off and IF the modeled the glory years of BTCC from when Renault, Honda, and Nissan all had stellar teams...THEN...I'd go for it in an instant..(oh and Papy has to figure out how to model track bumps better) dave henrie

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> > > [*] the amazing new British Touring Car Championship cars. > > See http://www.tocatour.co/uk/ecp > http://www.tripleeight.co.uk > http://www.vlrltd.com > http://www.totalmotorsport.com > http://www.redshoes-racing.com > http://www.btccpages.com > > -- > Richard. > > "Got to be good looking, cos it's so hard to please."

In message <bt8y7.6158$[email hidden]> "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> "Richard Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > What about using the N4/GPL engine to create a super-doopa touring car > > game? We could have 'BTC Touring[*]', Super Touring, Super Production, > > DTM, Oz V8 classes etc. > > > > Heck, if the physics were up to the N4/GPL standard, I'd pay 50ukp or > > more for a 'BTC Touring' game, even if it only had a couple of tracks!!! > > IF! they could add some grip to the cars, so they could bounce off each > other without spinning, and IF they could add side mirrors that could be > knocked off

Pretty simple stuff. I'd even be happy with the existing N4/GPL tracks! > and IF the modeled the glory years of BTCC from when Renault, Honda, and > Nissan all had stellar teams...THEN...I'd go for it in an instant.. Oh, the Super Touring cars, eh? I dunno... In a way, I'd like to see those, but I think the new-for-2001 'BTC Touring' cars would be more fun to drive! > (oh and Papy has to figure out how to model track bumps better) True! -- Richard. "In Penny Lane there is a barber showing photographs."

They haven't gotten up to speed yet with N4, but they do have most of the GPL tracks converted for use with n3, The TPTCC touring/V8 league at the uspits.com. It's not a true class series, but a 'one size fits all' type. Due to the limitations of N3. They will be moving to N4 eventually. The pits also has a video of the N4 Winston Cup car rumbling around Monaco. Not a classic sim in the sense of N4 or F1 2001 that models all the minutae of the form, but it does provide some pretty good road racing, both online and off. dave henrie "Richard Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In message <bt8y7.6158$[email hidden]> > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > "Richard Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > What about using the N4/GPL engine to create a super-doopa touring car > > > game? We could have 'BTC Touring[*]', Super Touring, Super Production, > > > DTM, Oz V8 classes etc. > > > > > > Heck, if the physics were up to the N4/GPL standard, I'd pay 50ukp or > > > more for a 'BTC Touring' game, even if it only had a couple of

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> > > > IF! they could add some grip to the cars, so they could bounce off each > > other without spinning, and IF they could add side mirrors that could be > > knocked off > > Pretty simple stuff. I'd even be happy with the existing N4/GPL tracks! > > > and IF the modeled the glory years of BTCC from when Renault, Honda, and > > Nissan all had stellar teams...THEN...I'd go for it in an instant.. > > Oh, the Super Touring cars, eh? I dunno... In a way, I'd like to see > those, but I think the new-for-2001 'BTC Touring' cars would be more fun

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> drive! > > > (oh and Papy has to figure out how to model track bumps better) > > True! > > > -- > Richard. > > "In Penny Lane there is a barber showing photographs."

In message <aNjy7.7919$[email hidden]> "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: [ Richard wants an N4/GPL-based touring car sim! ] > They haven't gotten up to speed yet with N4, but they do have most of the > GPL tracks converted for use with n3, The TPTCC touring/V8 league at the > uspits.com. It's not a true class series, but a 'one size fits all' type. > Due to the limitations of N3. They will be moving to N4 eventually. The > pits also has a video of the N4 Winston Cup car rumbling around Monaco. Hmm... so there could be a 'The Pits Touring Car' add-on for N4? That would be pretty good. Anyone have any ideas as to when such a thing might appear? -- Richard. "I'm back in the U.S.S.R. You don't know how lucky you are boy."

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> > In message <aNjy7.7919$[email hidden]> > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > [ Richard wants an N4/GPL-based touring car sim! ] > > > They haven't gotten up to speed yet with N4, but they do have most of the > > GPL tracks converted for use with n3, The TPTCC touring/V8 league at the > > uspits.com. It's not a true class series, but a 'one size fits all' type. > > Due to the limitations of N3. They will be moving to N4 eventually. The > > pits also has a video of the N4 Winston Cup car rumbling around Monaco. > > Hmm... so there could be a 'The Pits Touring Car' add-on for N4? That would > be pretty good. Anyone have any ideas as to when such a thing might appear?

There will be one, and as for when......when it's finished...:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com