Different quality of sim programming!

Fellow sim racers, just a thought: How different the quality of programming really is between different racing simulation programs! What difficulties many of us have suffered with the otherwise quite promising F1 2001! And thanks to many, I can now run it reasonably well. But lots of tweaking! And on the other hand, how well the demo of the Rally Trophy installed itself! At least for me it needed no tweaking! And quite the same with GPL and N4..., well lots of "tweaking" later to make GPL even better... But back to F1 2001 and Rally Trophy: now I am very happy that I can run F1 2001 so that in Monza the start is about 15 fps, and then soon 20-25, and after a couple of turns, let us say after the two Lesmos, about 30-45 fps. That's ok. But with Rally Trophy demo straight "from the box" I get 40-60 fps' all the time after the strange 10 to 25 at the very start. And the graphics is really good! And actually the same comment applied also to N4, when it came out. In a way I think we do not even now have a "good modern F1 sim"! Let us hope there will be a patch for F1 2001, which gives us force feedback, AND also repairs the graphics engine: there really has to be something very wrong in it now! Arto PS The Rally Trophy demo is really, REALLY promising! And I am not even very interested in rally - even after quite many Finnish championships... Well, my first car, anyhow, was a Mini... ;-) -- http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/music.html

GPL ran like shit on all but the very top end CPU's when it was released. It also ran better on the Rendition cards, which most didn't have. David G Fisher "Arto Wikla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wikla.1003436057@kanasaari...

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> Fellow sim racers, > > just a thought: How different the quality of programming really is > between different racing simulation programs! > > What difficulties many of us have suffered with the otherwise > quite promising F1 2001! And thanks to many, I can now > run it reasonably well. But lots of tweaking! And on the other > hand, how well the demo of the Rally Trophy installed itself! > At least for me it needed no tweaking! And quite the same with > GPL and N4..., well lots of "tweaking" later to make GPL even > better... > > But back to F1 2001 and Rally Trophy: now I am very happy that > I can run F1 2001 so that in Monza the start is about 15 fps, > and then soon 20-25, and after a couple of turns, let us say > after the two Lesmos, about 30-45 fps. That's ok. But with Rally > Trophy demo straight "from the box" I get 40-60 fps' all the time > after the strange 10 to 25 at the very start. And the graphics > is really good! And actually the same comment applied also to N4, > when it came out. > > In a way I think we do not even now have a "good modern F1 sim"! > Let us hope there will be a patch for F1 2001, which gives us > force feedback, AND also repairs the graphics engine: there > really has to be something very wrong in it now! > > Arto > > PS The Rally Trophy demo is really, REALLY promising! And I am not > even very interested in rally - even after quite many Finnish > championships... Well, my first car, anyhow, was a Mini... ;-) > -- > http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/music.html

Demo managed all of 11fps on my P133 / V1 combination, lol. Fortunately the game had redeeming features. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "David G Fisher" wrote... > GPL ran like shit on all but the very top end CPU's when it was > released. It also ran better on the Rendition cards, which most > didn't have. > > David G Fisher

Yeah, but at least it kept running for more than a few laps ! Ian P David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7QHz7.140720$[email hidden]... > GPL ran like shit on all but the very top end CPU's when it was released.It > also ran better on the Rendition cards, which most didn't have. > > David G Fisher

On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:28:35 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >GPL ran like shit on all but the very top end CPU's when it was released. It >also ran better on the Rendition cards, which most didn't have. And I'm sure that three years from now you'll find a dedicated cadre of F1-2001 fanatics, with 100+ racing head-to-head online on a Friday night. <too absurd for words, eh? :> "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

If GPL had sold well enough to have a sequal like most auto sims on the market, no one would be playing GPL now either. MTM2 never had a sequal due to the TRI/MS split, and there are still over a hundred people racing against each other EVERY night. GPL isn't alone that respect. David G Fisher "Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:28:35 GMT, "David G Fisher" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >GPL ran like shit on all but the very top end CPU's when it was released.It

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> >also ran better on the Rendition cards, which most didn't have. > > And I'm sure that three years from now you'll find a dedicated > cadre of F1-2001 fanatics, with 100+ racing head-to-head online on a > Friday night. > > <too absurd for words, eh? :> > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

I don't think comparing Rally Trophy and F1 2001 is a fair comparison because Rally Trophy doesn't have AI cars. When F1 2000 came out I was really shocked at how slow it ran, and it was unacceptable because the level of graphical detail didn't justify it, the 3d engine was just plain unfinished and unoptimized. However, to me F1 2001 has the most detailed tracks and cars i've seen, so the frame rate is understandable. F1RC runs a lot faster than F1 2001 also, but again has less detailed cars and tracks. "Arto Wikla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wikla.1003436057@kanasaari...

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> Fellow sim racers, > > just a thought: How different the quality of programming really is > between different racing simulation programs! > > What difficulties many of us have suffered with the otherwise > quite promising F1 2001! And thanks to many, I can now > run it reasonably well. But lots of tweaking! And on the other > hand, how well the demo of the Rally Trophy installed itself! > At least for me it needed no tweaking! And quite the same with > GPL and N4..., well lots of "tweaking" later to make GPL even > better... > > But back to F1 2001 and Rally Trophy: now I am very happy that > I can run F1 2001 so that in Monza the start is about 15 fps, > and then soon 20-25, and after a couple of turns, let us say > after the two Lesmos, about 30-45 fps. That's ok. But with Rally > Trophy demo straight "from the box" I get 40-60 fps' all the time > after the strange 10 to 25 at the very start. And the graphics > is really good! And actually the same comment applied also to N4, > when it came out. > > In a way I think we do not even now have a "good modern F1 sim"! > Let us hope there will be a patch for F1 2001, which gives us > force feedback, AND also repairs the graphics engine: there > really has to be something very wrong in it now! > > Arto > > PS The Rally Trophy demo is really, REALLY promising! And I am not > even very interested in rally - even after quite many Finnish > championships... Well, my first car, anyhow, was a Mini... ;-) > -- > http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/music.html

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> But back to F1 2001 and Rally Trophy: now I am very happy that > I can run F1 2001 so that in Monza the start is about 15 fps, > and then soon 20-25, and after a couple of turns, let us say > after the two Lesmos, about 30-45 fps. That's ok. But with Rally > Trophy demo straight "from the box" I get 40-60 fps' all the time > after the strange 10 to 25 at the very start. And the graphics > is really good! And actually the same comment applied also to N4, > when it came out.

Rally-type racing simulators have always been more PC-friendly (except that crappy programming of CMR2). You do not have any AI physics to model for the most, and of course that means you do not have to model their 3d-shape on screen. Try some hotlapping in modern F1 sims and you'll have about the same framerate. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:53:39 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I don't think comparing Rally Trophy and F1 2001 is a fair comparison >because Rally Trophy doesn't have AI cars. I believe you can race against the AI in the final version? Andre

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Jeff Vincent) writes: > And I'm sure that three years from now you'll find a dedicated >cadre of F1-2001 fanatics, with 100+ racing head-to-head online on a >Friday night. I thought F12001 didn't have good multiplayer options...? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +360.54... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Not finding that true with RT on my old 450/V3. I'm getting about 18FPS avg. from 6X4 through every point up to 12X10; no FPS change at any resolution, suggesting a CPU load heavier than GPL, N4, NH, F1RC, etc. Any other experiences on resolution-scaling out there? SB "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote... > Rally-type racing simulators have always been more PC-friendly (except that > crappy programming of CMR2). You do not have any AI physics to model for > the most, and of course that means you do not have to model their 3d-shape > on screen. Try some hotlapping in modern F1 sims and you'll have about the > same framerate.