Wheel shopping

Hey y'all, I'm wheel shopping and looking to spend $150-175, should I just order a MOMO, or is there anything else comparable available now? TSW would be nice, but they're twice what I can spend. Are all wheels these days using pots? Or are digital wheels truly digital, ie: solid state? I'm currently using a Thrustmaster SuperSport with paddles, it's best feature is split axis for gas/brake, and not much else. I'd like some software which would allow the buttons to be mapped to keystroke combos, say, shift-r to get me back in a straight car, or esc-enter to leave track in N4. Finally, since I'm spending MY money here, I'd like it not to be a total piece of crap :^) Any and all ideas/opinions considered, TIA, Ed

One alternative to the Momo would be the Force RS with the gated shifter: http://www.act-labs.com/race6.htm I've never tried it myself, but I've read good things about it. Ed White wrote:

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> > Hey y'all, I'm wheel shopping and looking to spend $150-175, should I just > order a MOMO, or is there anything else comparable available now? TSW would > be nice, but they're twice what I can spend. Are all wheels these days using > pots? Or are digital wheels truly digital, ie: solid state? I'm currently > using a Thrustmaster SuperSport with paddles, it's best feature is split > axis for gas/brake, and not much else. I'd like some software which would > allow the buttons to be mapped to keystroke combos, say, shift-r to get me > back in a straight car, or esc-enter to leave track in N4. Finally, since > I'm spending MY money here, I'd like it not to be a total piece of crap :^) > Any and all ideas/opinions considered, TIA, Ed

Ed.. Why not look at getting one of the entry-level BRD wheels? They will give you the look and feel of real racing components (metal) and their wheels are upgradeable (they even have trade-in programs). You can add and build up your racing wheel/pedal system as your budget allows. They are the only wheel on the market designed, just to do that! You can ask a few guys who run them in VROC, what they think of them for "racing" and lap improvement. You will find no better sim racing controls for that....including the TSW or ECCI systems. Spending $150 on plastic and "game/arcade" systems....to me is a bigger waste of money, unless you are not a serious sim racer. Take a look at BRD at least, Ed. They deserve to be on your shopping list, I think. Tom "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6EAA7.10175$[email hidden]... > Hey y'all, I'm wheel shopping and looking to spend $150-175, should I just > order a MOMO, or is there anything else comparable available now? TSWwould > be nice, but they're twice what I can spend. Are all wheels these daysusing > pots? Or are digital wheels truly digital, ie: solid state? I'm currently > using a Thrustmaster SuperSport with paddles, it's best feature is split > axis for gas/brake, and not much else. I'd like some software which would > allow the buttons to be mapped to keystroke combos, say, shift-r to get me > back in a straight car, or esc-enter to leave track in N4. Finally, since > I'm spending MY money here, I'd like it not to be a total piece of crap:^) > Any and all ideas/opinions considered, TIA, Ed > >

I'm waiting for the MOMO to arrive this week. I have a TSW2, LWFF, Logitech force GP (PS2) and TM Ferrari (DC). The LWFF is the best of the lot since FF has changed the racing experience for me. The TSW2 is the most precise and durable but I can't give up FF. After reading mini-reviews from some guys in this ng I'm convinced the MOMO is the next level for me. Supposedly much improved pedals, both stiffer and more precise (the original LWFF pedals were fine except for GPL). Metal paddle shifters. Leather wrapped MOMO wheel with 6 buttons (real nice looking wheel). The type of custom mapping you're looking for using Wingman Profiler software. Gear driven mechanism, allegedly super smooth due to ball bearings. I have faith in the reviews I read based on the reputations of the guys who wrote them, so I'm pretty excited. As for Act Labs, I've heard mostly good things about the Force RS except for the pedals and notchiness in the wheel due to plastic gears. Someone who bought the MOMO thinks it's better than the Force RS they currently own. I know there's a 3 pedal upgrade coming out (yes it has a clutch) but that will put you over $175. Currently it's $139 for the wheel and $59 for the pedals. -- Joe Marques "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6EAA7.10175$[email hidden]... > Hey y'all, I'm wheel shopping and looking to spend $150-175, should I just > order a MOMO, or is there anything else comparable available now? TSW would > be nice, but they're twice what I can spend. Are all wheels these days using > pots? Or are digital wheels truly digital, ie: solid state? I'm currently > using a Thrustmaster SuperSport with paddles, it's best feature is split > axis for gas/brake, and not much else. I'd like some software which would > allow the buttons to be mapped to keystroke combos, say, shift-r to get me > back in a straight car, or esc-enter to leave track in N4. Finally, since > I'm spending MY money here, I'd like it not to be a total piece of crap :^) > Any and all ideas/opinions considered, TIA, Ed > >

I went the other way Joe. After fighting with the LWFF pedals for a year, I got a used TM Pro Digital 2 w/o FF. The ability to configure the pedal inputs more than makes up for the FF. I do miss running Zandvoort with FF tho...there is a right/left/right combo before the last hill with a slight dip. If you hit it right the dip catches the car and turns you into the last apex. Feeling that with Ff was cooler than cool. dave henrie "Joe Marques" <Joe [email hidden]> wrote in message news:kDGA7.55757$[email hidden]... > I'm waiting for the MOMO to arrive this week. I have a TSW2, LWFF,Logitech > force GP (PS2) and TM Ferrari (DC). The LWFF is the best of the lot since > FF has changed the racing experience for me. The TSW2 is the most precise > and durable but I can't give up FF. After reading mini-reviews from some > guys in this ng I'm convinced the MOMO is the next level for me.Supposedly > much improved pedals, both stiffer and more precise (the original LWFF > pedals were fine except for GPL). Metal paddle shifters. Leather wrapped > MOMO wheel with 6 buttons (real nice looking wheel). The type of custom > mapping you're looking for using Wingman Profiler software. Gear driven > mechanism, allegedly super smooth due to ball bearings. I have faith inthe > reviews I read based on the reputations of the guys who wrote them, so I'm > pretty excited. > > As for Act Labs, I've heard mostly good things about the Force RS exceptfor > the pedals and notchiness in the wheel due to plastic gears. Someone who > bought the MOMO thinks it's better than the Force RS they currently own.I

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> know there's a 3 pedal upgrade coming out (yes it has a clutch) but that > will put you over $175. Currently it's $139 for the wheel and $59 for the > pedals. > > -- > Joe Marques > > > "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6EAA7.10175$[email hidden]... > > Hey y'all, I'm wheel shopping and looking to spend $150-175, should I

just > > order a MOMO, or is there anything else comparable available now? TSW > would > > be nice, but they're twice what I can spend. Are all wheels these days > using > > pots? Or are digital wheels truly digital, ie: solid state? I'mcurrently > > using a Thrustmaster SuperSport with paddles, it's best feature is split > > axis for gas/brake, and not much else. I'd like some software whichwould > > allow the buttons to be mapped to keystroke combos, say, shift-r to getme > > back in a straight car, or esc-enter to leave track in N4. Finally,since

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> > I'm spending MY money here, I'd like it not to be a total piece of crap > :^) > > Any and all ideas/opinions considered, TIA, Ed > > > > > >

After logitech released there Wingman FF GP which should just be a toy for toddlers to play with, I'm not sure I trust logitech anymore to build anything reliable.

Hi Tom, Do you have a link for the BRD system? Thanks, -pierre Tom Pabst wrote:

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> > Ed.. > > Why not look at getting one of the entry-level BRD wheels? They will give > you the look and feel of real racing components (metal) and their wheels are > upgradeable (they even have trade-in programs). You can add and build up > your racing wheel/pedal system as your budget allows. They are the only > wheel on the market designed, just to do that! You can ask a few guys who > run them in VROC, what they think of them for "racing" and lap improvement. > You will find no better sim racing controls for that....including the TSW or > ECCI systems. Spending $150 on plastic and "game/arcade" systems....to me > is a bigger waste of money, unless you are not a serious sim racer. > > Take a look at BRD at least, Ed. They deserve to be on your shopping list, > I think. > > Tom > > "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6EAA7.10175$[email hidden]... > > Hey y'all, I'm wheel shopping and looking to spend $150-175, should I just > > order a MOMO, or is there anything else comparable available now? TSW > would > > be nice, but they're twice what I can spend. Are all wheels these days > using > > pots? Or are digital wheels truly digital, ie: solid state? I'm currently > > using a Thrustmaster SuperSport with paddles, it's best feature is split > > axis for gas/brake, and not much else. I'd like some software which would > > allow the buttons to be mapped to keystroke combos, say, shift-r to get me > > back in a straight car, or esc-enter to leave track in N4. Finally, since > > I'm spending MY money here, I'd like it not to be a total piece of crap > :^) > > Any and all ideas/opinions considered, TIA, Ed > > > >

If GPL were my primary interest I think I'd be back to my TSW2 by now. I still haven't matched my best overall lap achieved using my TSW2. The LWFF feels great in GPL, I'm just a better driver with the TSW2. I attribute the difference to the braking capability with the far superior pedals on the TSW2. The tremendous resistance under heavy braking keeps my on the edge of lock. I can literally feel that tiny fraction before lock-up. I cannot do this with LWFF (not even close). This is worth about 4-5 seconds at Watkins. I'm hoping the MOMO pedals allow more precise braking so I can match my TSW2 times. More importantly, I hope MOMO adds more precision to F1 2001, my new obsession ;-). Until the release of . . . (holding breath) WSC. -- Joe Marques "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7eHA7.36968$[email hidden]... > I went the other way Joe. After fighting with the LWFF pedals for a year, > I got a used TM Pro Digital 2 w/o FF. The ability to configure the pedal > inputs more than makes up for the FF. I do miss running Zandvoort with FF > tho...there is a right/left/right combo before the last hill with a slight > dip. If you hit it right the dip catches the car and turns you into the > last apex. Feeling that with Ff was cooler than cool. > dave henrie > "Joe Marques" <Joe [email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kDGA7.55757$[email hidden]... > > I'm waiting for the MOMO to arrive this week. I have a TSW2, LWFF, > Logitech > > force GP (PS2) and TM Ferrari (DC). The LWFF is the best of the lot since > > FF has changed the racing experience for me. The TSW2 is the most precise > > and durable but I can't give up FF. After reading mini-reviews from some > > guys in this ng I'm convinced the MOMO is the next level for me. > Supposedly > > much improved pedals, both stiffer and more precise (the original LWFF > > pedals were fine except for GPL). Metal paddle shifters. Leather wrapped > > MOMO wheel with 6 buttons (real nice looking wheel). The type of custom > > mapping you're looking for using Wingman Profiler software. Gear driven > > mechanism, allegedly super smooth due to ball bearings. I have faith in > the > > reviews I read based on the reputations of the guys who wrote them, so I'm > > pretty excited. > > > > As for Act Labs, I've heard mostly good things about the Force RS except > for > > the pedals and notchiness in the wheel due to plastic gears. Someone who > > bought the MOMO thinks it's better than the Force RS they currently own. > I > > know there's a 3 pedal upgrade coming out (yes it has a clutch) but that > > will put you over $175. Currently it's $139 for the wheel and $59 for the > > pedals. > > > > -- > > Joe Marques > > > > > > "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:6EAA7.10175$[email hidden]... > > > Hey y'all, I'm wheel shopping and looking to spend $150-175, should I > just > > > order a MOMO, or is there anything else comparable available now? TSW > > would > > > be nice, but they're twice what I can spend. Are all wheels these days > > using > > > pots? Or are digital wheels truly digital, ie: solid state? I'm > currently > > > using a Thrustmaster SuperSport with paddles, it's best feature is split > > > axis for gas/brake, and not much else. I'd like some software which > would > > > allow the buttons to be mapped to keystroke combos, say, shift-r to get > me > > > back in a straight car, or esc-enter to leave track in N4. Finally, > since > > > I'm spending MY money here, I'd like it not to be a total piece of crap > > :^) > > > Any and all ideas/opinions considered, TIA, Ed > > > > > > > > > > > >

Pierre - Try http://www.interactiveracing.com/ Cheers, SB "Pierre Robitaille" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi Tom, > > Do you have a link for the BRD system? > > Thanks, > -pierre > > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > Ed.. > > > > Why not look at getting one of the entry-level BRD wheels? They will give > > you the look and feel of real racing components (metal) and their wheels are > > upgradeable (they even have trade-in programs). You can add and build up > > your racing wheel/pedal system as your budget allows. They are the only > > wheel on the market designed, just to do that! You can ask a few guys who > > run them in VROC, what they think of them for "racing" and lap improvement. > > You will find no better sim racing controls for that....including the TSW or > > ECCI systems. Spending $150 on plastic and "game/arcade" systems....to me > > is a bigger waste of money, unless you are not a serious sim racer. > > > > Take a look at BRD at least, Ed. They deserve to be on your shopping list, > > I think. > > > > Tom > > > > "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:6EAA7.10175$[email hidden]... > > > Hey y'all, I'm wheel shopping and looking to spend $150-175, should I just > > > order a MOMO, or is there anything else comparable available now? TSW > > would > > > be nice, but they're twice what I can spend. Are all wheels these days > > using > > > pots? Or are digital wheels truly digital, ie: solid state? I'm currently > > > using a Thrustmaster SuperSport with paddles, it's best feature is split > > > axis for gas/brake, and not much else. I'd like some software which would > > > allow the buttons to be mapped to keystroke combos, say, shift-r to get me > > > back in a straight car, or esc-enter to leave track in N4. Finally, since > > > I'm spending MY money here, I'd like it not to be a total piece of crap > > :^) > > > Any and all ideas/opinions considered, TIA, Ed > > > > > >

I must disagree since quality is a function of cost for good companies. Logitech is a about as solid as you can get in terms of overall hardware quality. I don't think the crappy plastic wheel was a QA issue, I think it was a cost compromise. The LWFF is a fine wheel that retailed for $179 (street price $150 for a while then low $100's). Mine still performs flawlessly. I got what I paid for and enjoy it. I suspect they found this market way to thin and aimed at the sub-$100 price point. There's no free lunch so they had to cut the full soft red wheel, the nice paddles, and the cable driven motor. I bet the reduction of weight alone had a great cost savings given shipping weight costs to distributors or retailers (the LWFF is easily 40% heavier than the GP). Unfortunately, I think they aimed too low with the GP and hurt their reputation a bit. I think they are still capable of much better. Logitech, as with any capable manufacturer, probably has the intellectual capital and manufacturing capability to build a $1000 wheel that will blow our doors off. All metal, 3 pedals, industrial pots, etc. They'd also lose a boat load of cash on it since sales would not exceed development and manufacturing costs. I do think Logitech is rethinking their strategy for the $120+ market, especially after so many PS2 buyers laid out $100 for the crappy plastic wheel. Maybe the $150-175 market is large enough to serve. Figure the Force GP cost Logitech $30-40 to manufacture. Let's say the MOMO cost $60+ (I know these are estimates but they're probably fair, at least proportionally). I think doubling ones production cost adds a tremendous amount of quality to a product. Especially now when the R&D for FF is already paid for completely. I do agree they need to earn our trust but not for quality. They need to demonstrate they have a sensible marketing strategy and can delivering value with the MOMO wheel. -- Joe Marques "WB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > After logitech released there Wingman FF GP which should just be a toy > for toddlers to play with, I'm not sure I trust logitech anymore to > build anything reliable. > >

"Joe Marques" <Joe [email hidden]> wrote: >If GPL were my primary interest I think I'd be back to my TSW2 by now. >I still haven't matched my best overall lap achieved using my TSW2. The >LWFF feels great in GPL, I'm just a better driver with the TSW2. I >attribute the difference to the braking capability with the far superior >pedals on the TSW2. So why not use pedals from the TSW2 and wheel from LWFF? Should work in GPL just fine... Jussi

> Hey y'all, I'm wheel shopping and looking to spend $150-175, should I just > order a MOMO, or is there anything else comparable available now? TSWwould > be nice, but they're twice what I can spend. Are all wheels these daysusing > pots? Or are digital wheels truly digital, ie: solid state? I'm currently > using a Thrustmaster SuperSport with paddles, it's best feature is split > axis for gas/brake, and not much else. I'd like some software which would > allow the buttons to be mapped to keystroke combos, say, shift-r to get me > back in a straight car, or esc-enter to leave track in N4. Finally, since > I'm spending MY money here, I'd like it not to be a total piece of crap:^) > Any and all ideas/opinions considered, TIA, Ed >I just picked up a TM Ferrari FF wheel on Saturday - so far it passed the principle tests! a) It works in GPL b) it works in GP3 It was easy to set up & configure & I think there is more that can be done in terms of fine tuning how the FF is working. Other than that it seems very precise & easy to work with. I like all the different buttons & paddles it has in addition to the stick shifter which makes it easy to configure in an "appropiate" formation for different games (i.e. using paddle shifters in GPL would be all "wrong" and conversely using a stick shift in GP3 wouldn't be right either!) For the money it seems like a reasonable piece of kit. Only complaint so far is that that brake pedal is way too light (much lighter than my old TM F1 (Nascar) wheel - but I expect there is something I can do about that. That said the dual hinged pedals are nice.] rgds I.

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:20:28 GMT, "Joe Marques" <Joe [email hidden]> wrote: > >I do think Logitech is rethinking their strategy for the $120+ market, Lets hope so....but their marketing ppl may be looking at Thrustmaster at the moment... In Denmark u can buy a Thrustmaster FF wheel for the Playstation2 for about 28-29 USD. We've often seen, that companies follow the "strategy" of a competing company for a while to "not loose" their market...:( TSW and others also makes money selling their products, and I'm convinced that a company like Logitech _can_ and _will_ make good quality products, when they find out, that the market for quality hardware is wide enough. Hope they haven't lost too much until that day... BTW. I'm thinking _deep_ about the Momo-wheel..::) -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Thore Sorensen - DK-2700 Bronshoj

You're absolutely right, it works fine. I did it for a while but I just don't have the space to connect both wheels at the same time any longer. -- Joe Marques "Jussi Lassila" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Joe Marques" <Joe [email hidden]> wrote: > > >If GPL were my primary interest I think I'd be back to my TSW2 by now. > >I still haven't matched my best overall lap achieved using my TSW2. The > >LWFF feels great in GPL, I'm just a better driver with the TSW2. I > >attribute the difference to the braking capability with the far superior > >pedals on the TSW2. > > So why not use pedals from the TSW2 and wheel from LWFF? Should work in > GPL just fine... > > > Jussi

http://www.interactiveracing.com/ Andi. "Pierre Robitaille" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi Tom, > > Do you have a link for the BRD system? > > Thanks, > -pierre > > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > Ed.. > > > > Why not look at getting one of the entry-level BRD wheels? They will

give > > you the look and feel of real racing components (metal) and their wheelsare > > upgradeable (they even have trade-in programs). You can add and buildup > > your racing wheel/pedal system as your budget allows. They are the only > > wheel on the market designed, just to do that! You can ask a few guyswho > > run them in VROC, what they think of them for "racing" and lapimprovement. > > You will find no better sim racing controls for that....including theTSW or > > ECCI systems. Spending $150 on plastic and "game/arcade" systems....tome > > is a bigger waste of money, unless you are not a serious sim racer. > > > > Take a look at BRD at least, Ed. They deserve to be on your shoppinglist,

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> > I think. > > > > Tom > > > > "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:6EAA7.10175$[email hidden]... > > > Hey y'all, I'm wheel shopping and looking to spend $150-175, should I

just > > > order a MOMO, or is there anything else comparable available now? TSW > > would > > > be nice, but they're twice what I can spend. Are all wheels these days > > using > > > pots? Or are digital wheels truly digital, ie: solid state? I'mcurrently > > > using a Thrustmaster SuperSport with paddles, it's best feature issplit > > > axis for gas/brake, and not much else. I'd like some software whichwould > > > allow the buttons to be mapped to keystroke combos, say, shift-r toget me > > > back in a straight car, or esc-enter to leave track in N4. Finally,since > > > I'm spending MY money here, I'd like it not to be a total piece ofcrap > > :^) > > > Any and all ideas/opinions considered, TIA, Ed > > > > > >

Steve Blankenship wrote:

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> > Pierre - > > Try http://www.interactiveracing.com/ > > Cheers, > > SB

THanks for the link. Cheers, -pierre

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> Pierre - > Try [link lost in import] > Cheers, > SB

THanks for the link. Cheers, -pierre

Thanks! Does anyone know if they plan to offer a FF wheel in the near future? Cheers, -pierre Andi Cole wrote:

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> > http://www.interactiveracing.com/ > > Andi. > > "Pierre Robitaille" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hi Tom, > > > > Do you have a link for the BRD system? > > > > Thanks, > > -pierre

Thanks! Does anyone know if they plan to offer a FF wheel in the near future? Cheers, -pierre

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> http://www.interactiveracing.com/ > Andi. > > Hi Tom, > > Do you have a link for the BRD system? > > Thanks, > > -pierre

Thanks, Steve. I forgot I made this post here, and just realized I had not put a link to BRD's site in it. Tom "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:t5MA7.103528$[email hidden]...

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> Pierre - > > Try http://www.interactiveracing.com/ > > Cheers, > > SB > > "Pierre Robitaille" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > Hi Tom, > > > > Do you have a link for the BRD system? > > > > Thanks, > > -pierre > > > > > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > > > Ed.. > > > > > > Why not look at getting one of the entry-level BRD wheels? They will

give > > > you the look and feel of real racing components (metal) and theirwheels are > > > upgradeable (they even have trade-in programs). You can add and buildup > > > your racing wheel/pedal system as your budget allows. They are theonly > > > wheel on the market designed, just to do that! You can ask a few guyswho > > > run them in VROC, what they think of them for "racing" and lapimprovement. > > > You will find no better sim racing controls for that....including theTSW or > > > ECCI systems. Spending $150 on plastic and "game/arcade"systems....to me > > > is a bigger waste of money, unless you are not a serious sim racer. > > > > > > Take a look at BRD at least, Ed. They deserve to be on your shoppinglist,

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> > > I think. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:6EAA7.10175$[email hidden]... > > > > Hey y'all, I'm wheel shopping and looking to spend $150-175, should

I just > > > > order a MOMO, or is there anything else comparable available now?TSW > > > would > > > > be nice, but they're twice what I can spend. Are all wheels thesedays > > > using > > > > pots? Or are digital wheels truly digital, ie: solid state? I'mcurrently > > > > using a Thrustmaster SuperSport with paddles, it's best feature issplit > > > > axis for gas/brake, and not much else. I'd like some software whichwould > > > > allow the buttons to be mapped to keystroke combos, say, shift-r toget me > > > > back in a straight car, or esc-enter to leave track in N4. Finally,since > > > > I'm spending MY money here, I'd like it not to be a total piece ofcrap > > > :^) > > > > Any and all ideas/opinions considered, TIA, Ed > > > > > > > > > >

I have to agree with Tom here. Four or five years ago there wasn't a great choice of wheels in the U.K. and I came across the basic model, at that time it was a Digital Edge F1 Sim (I think). This was the wheel that I was using when the GPL demo first came out and I instantly fell in love, both with the sim and the wheel because finally there was something worth playing it with. The wheel was very solid, apart from the cheap pedals, and the steering was very accurate - which was essential in GPL. However, after a many problems with the wheel/pedal pots. etc I gave up with theDigital Edge ... I think that they may even be out of business now. I believe that the BRD guys also gave up on them too and from what I hear it was because of this shoddy workmanship. Unfortunately, when I was looking for a new wheel BRD possibly didn't exist or weren't found on search engines anyway. I have now spent too much money with Act Labs to change, however I'm now wishing that I hadn't for many reasons. Given a new choice and the money, I'd go with 'real' BRD wheels and upgrade as and when I could ... :o) Cheers Paul T "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mHFA7.51464$[email hidden]... > Ed.. > > Why not look at getting one of the entry-level BRD wheels? They will give > you the look and feel of real racing components (metal) and their wheelsare > upgradeable (they even have trade-in programs). You can add and build up > your racing wheel/pedal system as your budget allows. They are the only > wheel on the market designed, just to do that! You can ask a few guys who > run them in VROC, what they think of them for "racing" and lapimprovement. > You will find no better sim racing controls for that....including the TSWor > ECCI systems. Spending $150 on plastic and "game/arcade" systems....to me > is a bigger waste of money, unless you are not a serious sim racer. > > Take a look at BRD at least, Ed. They deserve to be on your shoppinglist,

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> I think. > > Tom > > > > > "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6EAA7.10175$[email hidden]... > > Hey y'all, I'm wheel shopping and looking to spend $150-175, should I

just > > order a MOMO, or is there anything else comparable available now? TSW > would > > be nice, but they're twice what I can spend. Are all wheels these days > using > > pots? Or are digital wheels truly digital, ie: solid state? I'mcurrently > > using a Thrustmaster SuperSport with paddles, it's best feature is split > > axis for gas/brake, and not much else. I'd like some software whichwould > > allow the buttons to be mapped to keystroke combos, say, shift-r to getme > > back in a straight car, or esc-enter to leave track in N4. Finally,since

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> > I'm spending MY money here, I'd like it not to be a total piece of crap > :^) > > Any and all ideas/opinions considered, TIA, Ed > > > > > >