Nascar Thunder 2002

I think that whoever wrote the review for this game that caused me to buy it should own me $50. (well, luckily I can return the game and get my money back) That has got to be the worst Nascar game I have played since Nascar Revolution. Graphics: These are horrible. They look like you are running N4 with a software rendered Audio: I personally find it just average so I do not really have much to say about this Control: Well, you have two choices really.. you can run with help such as Stability Control or without. The problems are major either way. If you run the game with Stability control it turns the game into 100% pure arcade. You can beat and bang and bash and get completely sideways, but you will never spin out. It turns the game into a .50cents store mall arcade game. Now if you run it without stability control it becomes more realistic, however impossible to actually race. The AI cars hit each other so often and bang each other around that I do not think there is any possible way to actually stay out of their way. Thus when they hit you, you wreck and there goes your day. So no matter which option you choose, the game is frustrating as hell Modes: You have the standard Quick Race mode, Season mode and Career Mode. Now alot of people wanted this game for the Career Mode. It allows you to build a car (you can semi-design it), then get sponsorships and through series of races and seasons you can move up to bigger sponsors, buy better equipment and hopefully move your way up to a WC championship. Sounds great doesn't it? Well it does sound good, but the execution is horrible. In Career mode you are FORCED to run 5% races, 12 tracks with limited damage and worse of all.. NO Cautions. Why Ed Martin (anyone else losing confidence in Ed Martin?) decided this is the way it should be, I have no idea. It is not so bad that those are the default options. What is bad is that you are not allowed to change them. Now, let me get down to the other miscellaneous problems that I noticed. To me one of the big problems is track realism. Sure they did try to make sure that the tracks "looked" realistic. You can definitely tell the difference between the tracks just by looking at them and if you are used to watching Nascar or playing Nascar Sims, you can definitely identify them pretty easily. However, that is all they tried to do with the tracks. Driving realism is out the window. It does not appear that they took any care to make the tracks actually drive realistic. Examples: At Pocono, you can do turn 3 at over 160 (actually, more like 170) mph. What is that all about?? At Texas you can run your car flat out without lifting from the gas. What am I driving? a CART car? Well they tried to make it really nice by not only having WC drivers, but also Busch drivers in the game. However, they completely overdid it. In any given WC race you are in, there are about 15 Busch drivers also running with you. Now this would not be so bad, except sometimes you have drivers like Jeff Green driving not only his WC car, but also his Busch car in the SAME race. Umm, that is kinda amazing don't you think? Another problem (well not really a problem, just something I do not like) is the paint jobs. They were nice to put in some Alternative paint jobs for some of the drivers (such as Jeff Gordon's Bugs Bunny car or Bobby Labonte's Coca-Cola polar bear car) but the problem is, when you go to race I think the game just picks the paint job at random. So that means for someone like Bobby Labonte that has 9 different paint jobs, you will only see him in his normal car 1 out of every 9 races. It gets to the point that every race had 15 special paint jobs out there. Not a big deal I know, but just something that is not very well thought out. Anyways, mine is going back to the store today. If you disagree with me about this game. So be it.. you are entitled to your own opinion.. however I just think that some people deserved to hear mine before they spent $50 out of their pocket for this game.

Nascar Revolution equaled Nascar Revulsion........so I guess Nascar Thunder must be Nascar Blunder <G> To bad; Papy could use some competition. -John Cliff Roman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I think that whoever wrote the review for this game that caused me to buyit

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> should own me $50. (well, luckily I can return the game and get my money > back) > > That has got to be the worst Nascar game I have played since Nascar > Revolution. > > Graphics: These are horrible. They look like you are running N4 with a > software rendered > > Audio: I personally find it just average so I do not really have much to

say > about this > > Control: Well, you have two choices really.. you can run with help such as > Stability Control or without. The problems are major either way. If you > run the game with Stability control it turns the game into 100% purearcade. > You can beat and bang and bash and get completely sideways, but you will > never spin out. It turns the game into a .50cents store mall arcade game. > > Now if you run it without stability control it becomes more realistic, > however impossible to actually race. The AI cars hit each other so often > and bang each other around that I do not think there is any possible wayto > actually stay out of their way. Thus when they hit you, you wreck andthere > goes your day. So no matter which option you choose, the game is > frustrating as hell > > Modes: You have the standard Quick Race mode, Season mode and CareerMode. > Now alot of people wanted this game for the Career Mode. It allows you to > build a car (you can semi-design it), then get sponsorships and through > series of races and seasons you can move up to bigger sponsors, buy better > equipment and hopefully move your way up to a WC championship. Soundsgreat > doesn't it? Well it does sound good, but the execution is horrible. > > In Career mode you are FORCED to run 5% races, 12 tracks with limiteddamage

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> and worse of all.. NO Cautions. Why Ed Martin (anyone else losing > confidence in Ed Martin?) decided this is the way it should be, I have no > idea. It is not so bad that those are the default options. What is bad is > that you are not allowed to change them. > > Now, let me get down to the other miscellaneous problems that I noticed. > > To me one of the big problems is track realism. Sure they did try to make > sure that the tracks "looked" realistic. You can definitely tell the > difference between the tracks just by looking at them and if you are used

to > watching Nascar or playing Nascar Sims, you can definitely identify them > pretty easily. However, that is all they tried to do with the tracks. > Driving realism is out the window. It does not appear that they took any > care to make the tracks actually drive realistic. Examples: At Pocono,you > can do turn 3 at over 160 (actually, more like 170) mph. What is that all > about?? At Texas you can run your car flat out without lifting from the > gas. What am I driving? a CART car? > > Well they tried to make it really nice by not only having WC drivers, but > also Busch drivers in the game. However, they completely overdid it. Inany > given WC race you are in, there are about 15 Busch drivers also runningwith > you. Now this would not be so bad, except sometimes you have drivers like > Jeff Green driving not only his WC car, but also his Busch car in the SAME > race. Umm, that is kinda amazing don't you think? > > Another problem (well not really a problem, just something I do not like)is > the paint jobs. They were nice to put in some Alternative paint jobs for > some of the drivers (such as Jeff Gordon's Bugs Bunny car or BobbyLabonte's > Coca-Cola polar bear car) but the problem is, when you go to race I think > the game just picks the paint job at random. So that means for someonelike > Bobby Labonte that has 9 different paint jobs, you will only see him inhis > normal car 1 out of every 9 races. It gets to the point that every racehad > 15 special paint jobs out there. Not a big deal I know, but justsomething > that is not very well thought out. > > Anyways, mine is going back to the store today. If you disagree with me > about this game. So be it.. you are entitled to your own opinion.. howeverI > just think that some people deserved to hear mine before they spent $50out > of their pocket for this game. > > >

Oh, I forgot to mention the great Morphing Damage Repair In Career mode (and maybe even in other modes) if you car gets too damage it will say "Hit R2 to repair", you hit R2 and all the damage goes away!! Now if only the real WC drivers had that "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I think that whoever wrote the review for this game that caused me to buyit

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> should own me $50. (well, luckily I can return the game and get my money > back) > > That has got to be the worst Nascar game I have played since Nascar > Revolution. > > Graphics: These are horrible. They look like you are running N4 with a > software rendered > > Audio: I personally find it just average so I do not really have much to

say > about this > > Control: Well, you have two choices really.. you can run with help such as > Stability Control or without. The problems are major either way. If you > run the game with Stability control it turns the game into 100% purearcade. > You can beat and bang and bash and get completely sideways, but you will > never spin out. It turns the game into a .50cents store mall arcade game. > > Now if you run it without stability control it becomes more realistic, > however impossible to actually race. The AI cars hit each other so often > and bang each other around that I do not think there is any possible wayto > actually stay out of their way. Thus when they hit you, you wreck andthere > goes your day. So no matter which option you choose, the game is > frustrating as hell > > Modes: You have the standard Quick Race mode, Season mode and CareerMode. > Now alot of people wanted this game for the Career Mode. It allows you to > build a car (you can semi-design it), then get sponsorships and through > series of races and seasons you can move up to bigger sponsors, buy better > equipment and hopefully move your way up to a WC championship. Soundsgreat > doesn't it? Well it does sound good, but the execution is horrible. > > In Career mode you are FORCED to run 5% races, 12 tracks with limiteddamage

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> and worse of all.. NO Cautions. Why Ed Martin (anyone else losing > confidence in Ed Martin?) decided this is the way it should be, I have no > idea. It is not so bad that those are the default options. What is bad is > that you are not allowed to change them. > > Now, let me get down to the other miscellaneous problems that I noticed. > > To me one of the big problems is track realism. Sure they did try to make > sure that the tracks "looked" realistic. You can definitely tell the > difference between the tracks just by looking at them and if you are used

to > watching Nascar or playing Nascar Sims, you can definitely identify them > pretty easily. However, that is all they tried to do with the tracks. > Driving realism is out the window. It does not appear that they took any > care to make the tracks actually drive realistic. Examples: At Pocono,you > can do turn 3 at over 160 (actually, more like 170) mph. What is that all > about?? At Texas you can run your car flat out without lifting from the > gas. What am I driving? a CART car? > > Well they tried to make it really nice by not only having WC drivers, but > also Busch drivers in the game. However, they completely overdid it. Inany > given WC race you are in, there are about 15 Busch drivers also runningwith > you. Now this would not be so bad, except sometimes you have drivers like > Jeff Green driving not only his WC car, but also his Busch car in the SAME > race. Umm, that is kinda amazing don't you think? > > Another problem (well not really a problem, just something I do not like)is > the paint jobs. They were nice to put in some Alternative paint jobs for > some of the drivers (such as Jeff Gordon's Bugs Bunny car or BobbyLabonte's > Coca-Cola polar bear car) but the problem is, when you go to race I think > the game just picks the paint job at random. So that means for someonelike > Bobby Labonte that has 9 different paint jobs, you will only see him inhis > normal car 1 out of every 9 races. It gets to the point that every racehad > 15 special paint jobs out there. Not a big deal I know, but justsomething > that is not very well thought out. > > Anyways, mine is going back to the store today. If you disagree with me > about this game. So be it.. you are entitled to your own opinion.. howeverI > just think that some people deserved to hear mine before they spent $50out > of their pocket for this game. > > >

"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Graphics: These are horrible. They look like you are running N4 with a > software rendered Really? I thought the graphics were quite nice. I don't recall software-rendered N4 sporting anti-aliasing, real-time reflection and environment mapping, damage skins, MIP'ing and LOD'ing textures and polys, or accurate horizon mapping. Have they released another version? > Audio: I personally find it just average so I do not really have much tosay > about this Hmm. Not to totally bash your review (which I'm about to do, lol), but I thought the sound was also very nicely rendered. Real-time engine RPM (like Revolution had) modeling, real-time skidding effects, accurate and real-time damage sounds, and real-time (yes, again) pit sounds. Real-time means it's rendered from the action on-screen, not played from an unchanging WAV. > Control: Well, you have two choices really.. you can run with help such as > Stability Control or without. The problems are major either way. If you > run the game with Stability control it turns the game into 100% purearcade. > You can beat and bang and bash and get completely sideways, but you will > never spin out. It turns the game into a .50cents store mall arcade game. Yes. > Now if you run it without stability control it becomes more realistic, > however impossible to actually race. The AI cars hit each other so often > and bang each other around that I do not think there is any possible wayto > actually stay out of their way. Thus when they hit you, you wreck andthere > goes your day. So no matter which option you choose, the game is > frustrating as hell Hmm. I just raced 10% at Tally against Legend (highest) AI skill. No yellows. No contact, other than the love tap from behind. Started 23rd, paired up with Gordon to draft, and finished 10th, well inside the lead pack. The game models restrictor plate racing extremely well. Reminds me of N2 multiplayer. > In Career mode you are FORCED to run 5% races, 12 tracks with limiteddamage > and worse of all.. NO Cautions. Why Ed Martin (anyone else losing > confidence in Ed Martin?) decided this is the way it should be, I have no > idea. It is not so bad that those are the default options. What is bad is > that you are not allowed to change them. There is an option in the Main Menu called "Settings." You will find you can modify your settings here. I guess some folks like to make things harder than they are. > Oh, I forgot to mention the great Morphing Damage Repair > In Career mode (and maybe even in other modes) if you car gets too damageit > will say "Hit R2 to repair", you hit R2 and all the damage goes away!! > Now if only the real WC drivers had that Again, under "Settings" you can change the damage model from "none" to "limited" (current setting given above results) to "full." > Anyways, mine is going back to the store today. If you disagree with me > about this game. So be it.. you are entitled to your own opinion.. howeverI > just think that some people deserved to hear mine before they spent $50out > of their pocket for this game. Noted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and (given their country) the freedom to express it. I'm sorry you didn't like the game. I hope (sincerely) that you have fun with N4. I have enormous fun with it. As far as console NASCAR sims go, this is the cream of the crop. It's much better than I expected it to be, having played NASCAR 2001 the day I got 2002. - John P. Wilson - [email hidden]

> Really? I thought the graphics were quite nice. I don't recall > software-rendered N4 sporting anti-aliasing, real-time reflection and > environment mapping, damage skins, MIP'ing and LOD'ing textures and polys, > or accurate horizon mapping. Have they released another version? The graphics were jagged and horrible. Anyone used to graphics on a game like N4 or NH on the PC would simply give out a "UGH" when loading up this game > > In Career mode you are FORCED to run 5% races, 12 tracks with limited > damage > > and worse of all.. NO Cautions. Why Ed Martin (anyone else losing > > confidence in Ed Martin?) decided this is the way it should be, I haveno > > idea. It is not so bad that those are the default options. What is badis > > that you are not allowed to change them. > > There is an option in the Main Menu called "Settings." You will find you > can modify your settings here. I guess some folks like to make things > harder than they are. You can NOT change these for Career mode. Notice I did not say for Quick Race or Season.. I said for Career mode. Like you said, guess some folks like to make things harder than they are > > > Oh, I forgot to mention the great Morphing Damage Repair > > In Career mode (and maybe even in other modes) if you car gets toodamage > it > > will say "Hit R2 to repair", you hit R2 and all the damage goes away!! > > Now if only the real WC drivers had that > > Again, under "Settings" you can change the damage model from "none" to > "limited" (current setting given above results) to "full." Not in Career mode.. do we need to cover this again? > > > Anyways, mine is going back to the store today. If you disagree with me > > about this game. So be it.. you are entitled to your own opinion..however > I > > just think that some people deserved to hear mine before they spent $50 > out > > of their pocket for this game. > > Noted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and (given their country)the > freedom to express it. I'm sorry you didn't like the game. I hope > (sincerely) that you have fun with N4. I have enormous fun with it. Asfar > as console NASCAR sims go, this is the cream of the crop. It's muchbetter > than I expected it to be, having played NASCAR 2001 the day I got 2002. If this is the cream of the crop, then it just shows that Nascar sims on consoles have a long way to go

Cliff, I agree with you that this game is crap. But you CAN change the settings in career mode sir. Just wanted to let ya know that. But the game still sucks. =) "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Really? I thought the graphics were quite nice. I don't recall > > software-rendered N4 sporting anti-aliasing, real-time reflection and > > environment mapping, damage skins, MIP'ing and LOD'ing textures andpolys,

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> > or accurate horizon mapping. Have they released another version? > > The graphics were jagged and horrible. Anyone used to graphics on a game > like N4 or NH on the PC would simply give out a "UGH" when loading up this > game > > > > In Career mode you are FORCED to run 5% races, 12 tracks with limited > > damage > > > and worse of all.. NO Cautions. Why Ed Martin (anyone else losing > > > confidence in Ed Martin?) decided this is the way it should be, I have > no > > > idea. It is not so bad that those are the default options. What is

bad > is > > > that you are not allowed to change them. > > > > There is an option in the Main Menu called "Settings." You will findyou

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> > can modify your settings here. I guess some folks like to make things > > harder than they are. > > You can NOT change these for Career mode. Notice I did not say for Quick > Race or Season.. I said for Career mode. Like you said, guess some folks > like to make things harder than they are > > > > > > > Oh, I forgot to mention the great Morphing Damage Repair > > > In Career mode (and maybe even in other modes) if you car gets too > damage > > it > > > will say "Hit R2 to repair", you hit R2 and all the damage goes away!! > > > Now if only the real WC drivers had that > > > > Again, under "Settings" you can change the damage model from "none" to > > "limited" (current setting given above results) to "full." > > Not in Career mode.. do we need to cover this again? > > > > > > Anyways, mine is going back to the store today. If you disagree with

me > > > about this game. So be it.. you are entitled to your own opinion.. > however > > I > > > just think that some people deserved to hear mine before they spent$50

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> > out > > > of their pocket for this game. > > > > Noted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and (given their country) > the > > freedom to express it. I'm sorry you didn't like the game. I hope > > (sincerely) that you have fun with N4. I have enormous fun with it. As > far > > as console NASCAR sims go, this is the cream of the crop. It's much > better > > than I expected it to be, having played NASCAR 2001 the day I got 2002. > > > If this is the cream of the crop, then it just shows that Nascar sims on > consoles have a long way to go > > > >

I tried to change them, the only thing it would allow me to change was the AI level But yes you are right, the rest of the problems still kill the game for me. "Aaron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7TKA7.431040$[email hidden]...

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> Cliff, I agree with you that this game is crap. > > But you CAN change the settings in career mode sir. Just wanted to let ya > know that. But the game still sucks. =) > > > > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > Really? I thought the graphics were quite nice. I don't recall > > > software-rendered N4 sporting anti-aliasing, real-time reflection and > > > environment mapping, damage skins, MIP'ing and LOD'ing textures and > polys, > > > or accurate horizon mapping. Have they released another version? > > > > The graphics were jagged and horrible. Anyone used to graphics on a

game > > like N4 or NH on the PC would simply give out a "UGH" when loading upthis > > game > > > > > > In Career mode you are FORCED to run 5% races, 12 tracks withlimited > > > damage > > > > and worse of all.. NO Cautions. Why Ed Martin (anyone else losing > > > > confidence in Ed Martin?) decided this is the way it should be, Ihave

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> > no > > > > idea. It is not so bad that those are the default options. What is > bad > > is > > > > that you are not allowed to change them. > > > > > > There is an option in the Main Menu called "Settings." You will find > you > > > can modify your settings here. I guess some folks like to make things > > > harder than they are. > > > > You can NOT change these for Career mode. Notice I did not say for

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> > Race or Season.. I said for Career mode. Like you said, guess some folks > > like to make things harder than they are > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I forgot to mention the great Morphing Damage Repair > > > > In Career mode (and maybe even in other modes) if you car gets too > > damage > > > it > > > > will say "Hit R2 to repair", you hit R2 and all the damage goes

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> > > > Now if only the real WC drivers had that > > > > > > Again, under "Settings" you can change the damage model from "none" to > > > "limited" (current setting given above results) to "full." > > > > Not in Career mode.. do we need to cover this again? > > > > > > > > > Anyways, mine is going back to the store today. If you disagree

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> me > > > > about this game. So be it.. you are entitled to your own opinion.. > > however > > > I > > > > just think that some people deserved to hear mine before they spent > $50 > > > out > > > > of their pocket for this game. > > > > > > Noted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and (given their

country) > > the > > > freedom to express it. I'm sorry you didn't like the game. I hope > > > (sincerely) that you have fun with N4. I have enormous fun with it.As > > far > > > as console NASCAR sims go, this is the cream of the crop. It's much > > better > > > than I expected it to be, having played NASCAR 2001 the day I got2002.

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> > > > > > If this is the cream of the crop, then it just shows that Nascar sims on > > consoles have a long way to go > > > > > > > > > >

Another title from the direction of Ed (Mr Over-Hype) Martin....should we really be surprised? <VBG> Cliff Roman wrote:

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> I think that whoever wrote the review for this game that caused me to buy it > should own me $50. (well, luckily I can return the game and get my money > back) > > That has got to be the worst Nascar game I have played since Nascar > Revolution. > > Graphics: These are horrible. They look like you are running N4 with a > software rendered > > Audio: I personally find it just average so I do not really have much to say > about this > > Control: Well, you have two choices really.. you can run with help such as > Stability Control or without. The problems are major either way. If you > run the game with Stability control it turns the game into 100% pure arcade. > You can beat and bang and bash and get completely sideways, but you will > never spin out. It turns the game into a .50cents store mall arcade game. > > Now if you run it without stability control it becomes more realistic, > however impossible to actually race. The AI cars hit each other so often > and bang each other around that I do not think there is any possible way to > actually stay out of their way. Thus when they hit you, you wreck and there > goes your day. So no matter which option you choose, the game is > frustrating as hell > > Modes: You have the standard Quick Race mode, Season mode and Career Mode. > Now alot of people wanted this game for the Career Mode. It allows you to > build a car (you can semi-design it), then get sponsorships and through > series of races and seasons you can move up to bigger sponsors, buy better > equipment and hopefully move your way up to a WC championship. Sounds great > doesn't it? Well it does sound good, but the execution is horrible. > > In Career mode you are FORCED to run 5% races, 12 tracks with limited damage > and worse of all.. NO Cautions. Why Ed Martin (anyone else losing > confidence in Ed Martin?) decided this is the way it should be, I have no > idea. It is not so bad that those are the default options. What is bad is > that you are not allowed to change them. > > Now, let me get down to the other miscellaneous problems that I noticed. > > To me one of the big problems is track realism. Sure they did try to make > sure that the tracks "looked" realistic. You can definitely tell the > difference between the tracks just by looking at them and if you are used to > watching Nascar or playing Nascar Sims, you can definitely identify them > pretty easily. However, that is all they tried to do with the tracks. > Driving realism is out the window. It does not appear that they took any > care to make the tracks actually drive realistic. Examples: At Pocono, you > can do turn 3 at over 160 (actually, more like 170) mph. What is that all > about?? At Texas you can run your car flat out without lifting from the > gas. What am I driving? a CART car? > > Well they tried to make it really nice by not only having WC drivers, but > also Busch drivers in the game. However, they completely overdid it. In any > given WC race you are in, there are about 15 Busch drivers also running with > you. Now this would not be so bad, except sometimes you have drivers like > Jeff Green driving not only his WC car, but also his Busch car in the SAME > race. Umm, that is kinda amazing don't you think? > > Another problem (well not really a problem, just something I do not like) is > the paint jobs. They were nice to put in some Alternative paint jobs for > some of the drivers (such as Jeff Gordon's Bugs Bunny car or Bobby Labonte's > Coca-Cola polar bear car) but the problem is, when you go to race I think > the game just picks the paint job at random. So that means for someone like > Bobby Labonte that has 9 different paint jobs, you will only see him in his > normal car 1 out of every 9 races. It gets to the point that every race had > 15 special paint jobs out there. Not a big deal I know, but just something > that is not very well thought out. > > Anyways, mine is going back to the store today. If you disagree with me > about this game. So be it.. you are entitled to your own opinion.. however I > just think that some people deserved to hear mine before they spent $50 out > of their pocket for this game.

"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Really? I thought the graphics were quite nice. I don't recall > > software-rendered N4 sporting anti-aliasing, real-time reflection and > > environment mapping, damage skins, MIP'ing and LOD'ing textures andpolys,

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> > or accurate horizon mapping. Have they released another version? > > The graphics were jagged and horrible. Anyone used to graphics on a game > like N4 or NH on the PC would simply give out a "UGH" when loading up this > game > > > > In Career mode you are FORCED to run 5% races, 12 tracks with limited > > damage > > > and worse of all.. NO Cautions. Why Ed Martin (anyone else losing > > > confidence in Ed Martin?) decided this is the way it should be, I have > no > > > idea. It is not so bad that those are the default options. What is

bad > is > > > that you are not allowed to change them. > > > > There is an option in the Main Menu called "Settings." You will findyou

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> > can modify your settings here. I guess some folks like to make things > > harder than they are. > > You can NOT change these for Career mode. Notice I did not say for Quick > Race or Season.. I said for Career mode. Like you said, guess some folks > like to make things harder than they are > > > > > > > Oh, I forgot to mention the great Morphing Damage Repair > > > In Career mode (and maybe even in other modes) if you car gets too > damage > > it > > > will say "Hit R2 to repair", you hit R2 and all the damage goes away!! > > > Now if only the real WC drivers had that > > > > Again, under "Settings" you can change the damage model from "none" to > > "limited" (current setting given above results) to "full." > > Not in Career mode.. do we need to cover this again? > > > > > > Anyways, mine is going back to the store today. If you disagree with

me > > > about this game. So be it.. you are entitled to your own opinion.. > however > > I > > > just think that some people deserved to hear mine before they spent$50

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> > out > > > of their pocket for this game. > > > > Noted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and (given their country) > the > > freedom to express it. I'm sorry you didn't like the game. I hope > > (sincerely) that you have fun with N4. I have enormous fun with it. As > far > > as console NASCAR sims go, this is the cream of the crop. It's much > better > > than I expected it to be, having played NASCAR 2001 the day I got 2002. > > > If this is the cream of the crop, then it just shows that Nascar sims on > consoles have a long way to go >

Why would anyone buy Thunder 2002 for a console, and expect it to be anything but arcade??? I don't even own a console for that very reason. Don Burnette

Well I was not planning on buying it, and then I actually read a good review from someone in here.. I shouldn't hjave listened :) At least I made sure I bought it from a store that takes returns. I will admit however that the game was a nice flashback to the Pole Position days

Hey cliff... I thought that was your review of N4 after the patch (that is, as long as you don't have a raid controller) ?? <VBG> ;P Well.. at least the damage model part! LOL Scott PA-Scott "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I think that whoever wrote the review for this game that caused me to buyit

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> should own me $50. (well, luckily I can return the game and get my money > back) > > That has got to be the worst Nascar game I have played since Nascar > Revolution. > > Graphics: These are horrible. They look like you are running N4 with a > software rendered > > Audio: I personally find it just average so I do not really have much to

say > about this > > Control: Well, you have two choices really.. you can run with help such as > Stability Control or without. The problems are major either way. If you > run the game with Stability control it turns the game into 100% purearcade. > You can beat and bang and bash and get completely sideways, but you will > never spin out. It turns the game into a .50cents store mall arcade game. > > Now if you run it without stability control it becomes more realistic, > however impossible to actually race. The AI cars hit each other so often > and bang each other around that I do not think there is any possible wayto > actually stay out of their way. Thus when they hit you, you wreck andthere > goes your day. So no matter which option you choose, the game is > frustrating as hell > > Modes: You have the standard Quick Race mode, Season mode and CareerMode. > Now alot of people wanted this game for the Career Mode. It allows you to > build a car (you can semi-design it), then get sponsorships and through > series of races and seasons you can move up to bigger sponsors, buy better > equipment and hopefully move your way up to a WC championship. Soundsgreat > doesn't it? Well it does sound good, but the execution is horrible. > > In Career mode you are FORCED to run 5% races, 12 tracks with limiteddamage

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> and worse of all.. NO Cautions. Why Ed Martin (anyone else losing > confidence in Ed Martin?) decided this is the way it should be, I have no > idea. It is not so bad that those are the default options. What is bad is > that you are not allowed to change them. > > Now, let me get down to the other miscellaneous problems that I noticed. > > To me one of the big problems is track realism. Sure they did try to make > sure that the tracks "looked" realistic. You can definitely tell the > difference between the tracks just by looking at them and if you are used

to > watching Nascar or playing Nascar Sims, you can definitely identify them > pretty easily. However, that is all they tried to do with the tracks. > Driving realism is out the window. It does not appear that they took any > care to make the tracks actually drive realistic. Examples: At Pocono,you > can do turn 3 at over 160 (actually, more like 170) mph. What is that all > about?? At Texas you can run your car flat out without lifting from the > gas. What am I driving? a CART car? > > Well they tried to make it really nice by not only having WC drivers, but > also Busch drivers in the game. However, they completely overdid it. Inany > given WC race you are in, there are about 15 Busch drivers also runningwith > you. Now this would not be so bad, except sometimes you have drivers like > Jeff Green driving not only his WC car, but also his Busch car in the SAME > race. Umm, that is kinda amazing don't you think? > > Another problem (well not really a problem, just something I do not like)is > the paint jobs. They were nice to put in some Alternative paint jobs for > some of the drivers (such as Jeff Gordon's Bugs Bunny car or BobbyLabonte's > Coca-Cola polar bear car) but the problem is, when you go to race I think > the game just picks the paint job at random. So that means for someonelike > Bobby Labonte that has 9 different paint jobs, you will only see him inhis > normal car 1 out of every 9 races. It gets to the point that every racehad > 15 special paint jobs out there. Not a big deal I know, but justsomething > that is not very well thought out. > > Anyways, mine is going back to the store today. If you disagree with me > about this game. So be it.. you are entitled to your own opinion.. howeverI > just think that some people deserved to hear mine before they spent $50out > of their pocket for this game. > > >

Well, I guess that makes the question that I was going to ask a moot point. I was wondering if there were any plans to port Nascar Thunder 2002 to the PC since I doubt it would look very good on the PS1 and I don't have a PS2 or XBox. Thanks, John -- John Manning [email hidden] "Bob Geddes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Another title from the direction of Ed (Mr Over-Hype) Martin....should we really > be surprised? <VBG> > > Cliff Roman wrote: > > > I think that whoever wrote the review for this game that caused me to buy it > > should own me $50. (well, luckily I can return the game and get my money > > back) > > > > That has got to be the worst Nascar game I have played since Nascar > > Revolution. > > > > Graphics: These are horrible. They look like you are running N4 with a > > software rendered > > > > Audio: I personally find it just average so I do not really have much to say > > about this > > > > Control: Well, you have two choices really.. you can run with help such as > > Stability Control or without. The problems are major either way. If you > > run the game with Stability control it turns the game into 100% pure arcade. > > You can beat and bang and bash and get completely sideways, but you will > > never spin out. It turns the game into a .50cents store mall arcade game. > > > > Now if you run it without stability control it becomes more realistic, > > however impossible to actually race. The AI cars hit each other so often > > and bang each other around that I do not think there is any possible way to > > actually stay out of their way. Thus when they hit you, you wreck and there > > goes your day. So no matter which option you choose, the game is > > frustrating as hell > > > > Modes: You have the standard Quick Race mode, Season mode and Career Mode. > > Now alot of people wanted this game for the Career Mode. It allows you to > > build a car (you can semi-design it), then get sponsorships and through > > series of races and seasons you can move up to bigger sponsors, buy better > > equipment and hopefully move your way up to a WC championship. Sounds great > > doesn't it? Well it does sound good, but the execution is horrible. > > > > In Career mode you are FORCED to run 5% races, 12 tracks with limited damage > > and worse of all.. NO Cautions. Why Ed Martin (anyone else losing > > confidence in Ed Martin?) decided this is the way it should be, I have no > > idea. It is not so bad that those are the default options. What is bad is > > that you are not allowed to change them. > > > > Now, let me get down to the other miscellaneous problems that I noticed. > > > > To me one of the big problems is track realism. Sure they did try to make > > sure that the tracks "looked" realistic. You can definitely tell the > > difference between the tracks just by looking at them and if you are used to > > watching Nascar or playing Nascar Sims, you can definitely identify them > > pretty easily. However, that is all they tried to do with the tracks. > > Driving realism is out the window. It does not appear that they took any > > care to make the tracks actually drive realistic. Examples: At Pocono, you > > can do turn 3 at over 160 (actually, more like 170) mph. What is that all > > about?? At Texas you can run your car flat out without lifting from the > > gas. What am I driving? a CART car? > > > > Well they tried to make it really nice by not only having WC drivers, but > > also Busch drivers in the game. However, they completely overdid it. In any > > given WC race you are in, there are about 15 Busch drivers also running with > > you. Now this would not be so bad, except sometimes you have drivers like > > Jeff Green driving not only his WC car, but also his Busch car in the SAME > > race. Umm, that is kinda amazing don't you think? > > > > Another problem (well not really a problem, just something I do not like) is > > the paint jobs. They were nice to put in some Alternative paint jobs for > > some of the drivers (such as Jeff Gordon's Bugs Bunny car or Bobby Labonte's > > Coca-Cola polar bear car) but the problem is, when you go to race I think > > the game just picks the paint job at random. So that means for someone like > > Bobby Labonte that has 9 different paint jobs, you will only see him in his > > normal car 1 out of every 9 races. It gets to the point that every race had > > 15 special paint jobs out there. Not a big deal I know, but just something > > that is not very well thought out. > > > > Anyways, mine is going back to the store today. If you disagree with me > > about this game. So be it.. you are entitled to your own opinion.. however I > > just think that some people deserved to hear mine before they spent $50 out > > of their pocket for this game. >