Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

I'm a fairly-happy Win98SE user for Rally2K, GPL, SCGT, NFS-Porsche, Viper Racing, MB Truck Racing, Nascar 4 and MS Flight Sim 2000 Pro. As I'm building a new AMD 1600+/Abit KG7 DDR system, my gear-fetish has turned toward implementing more than the 256Mb RAM that I used on my PIII/733 box. Also, my GeForce256 is feeling S-L-O-W. So, I bought a Gainward GeForce2 Golden Sample Ti/500. I know it's no GF3, but hey, cut me some slack. For $139 at newegg.com, It'll be an improvement. I guess that I could consider XP, but I haven't been impressed. I use an Act-Labs Force RS wheel/shifter, and by the end of next week, the new clutch system. (Finally got an email - preordered 5/25/01!) Win98SE has served me fairly well, but I'm beginning to wonder about an OS that can use more memory. I also do digital video/audio, Divx, etc. Opinions? Is Win2K worth the upgrade? Can these driving sims utilize 512Mb or 1Gb RAM? Will I see better performance? With RAM so cheap, the temptation is great. Thanks for any info...

XP is the 'new and improved' win2k. If your not impressed with XP, I don't see what 2k would have to offer. The Win98 variants can run up to 512mb of memory. After that...bad news. Some sims like GPL will not run if you have more than 512mbs UNLESS you create a ramdisk that uses up the extra ram or limit the vcache to 512 megs in the system.ini or win.ini file(not sure which) Other sims probably won't notice it. Most likely the ONLY advantage you'd gain in exceeding 512mb using 2k or XP would be to get longer replays. I think the performance curve in Win98 starts flattening out after 196mb so while you can use more memory, the actually gains will be smaller. The 2k/Xp group most likely would only begin to perform well if you have at least 512, but that is the OS itself, actual sims may see little or no improvement with that much memory. I am just confused tho as I stated above what you expect to gain over XP by using 2k? Sorry I must be tired but I don't see any obvious reason why it would be better. dave henrie "daisykillbot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I'm a fairly-happy Win98SE user for Rally2K, GPL, SCGT, NFS-Porsche, > Viper Racing, MB Truck Racing, Nascar 4 and MS Flight Sim 2000 Pro. > > As I'm building a new AMD 1600+/Abit KG7 DDR system, my > gear-fetish has turned toward implementing more than the 256Mb RAM > that I used on my PIII/733 box. Also, my GeForce256 is feeling > S-L-O-W. So, I bought a Gainward GeForce2 > Golden Sample Ti/500. I know it's no GF3, but hey, cut me some slack. > For $139 at newegg.com, It'll be an improvement. > > I guess that I could consider XP, but I haven't been impressed. > > I use an Act-Labs Force RS wheel/shifter, and by the end of next > week, > the new clutch system. (Finally got an email - preordered 5/25/01!) > Win98SE has served me fairly well, but I'm beginning to wonder about > an OS > that can use more memory. I also do digital video/audio, Divx, etc. > > Opinions? > > Is Win2K worth the upgrade? Can these driving sims utilize 512Mb > or > 1Gb RAM? Will I see better performance? With RAM so cheap, the > temptation is great. > > Thanks for any info...

I'd say upgrading to XP would make more sense in your case. You're a gamer running 98. It's my understanding that XP will work with more games then Win00. It has some nifty features to fool software into thinking it's running on 98, etc. XP home edition was designed with gaming support in mind. Windows 2000 was designed for workstation applications, ie business, not necessarily for gaming. "daisykillbot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I'm a fairly-happy Win98SE user for Rally2K, GPL, SCGT, NFS-Porsche, > Viper Racing, MB Truck Racing, Nascar 4 and MS Flight Sim 2000 Pro. > > As I'm building a new AMD 1600+/Abit KG7 DDR system, my > gear-fetish has turned toward implementing more than the 256Mb RAM > that I used on my PIII/733 box. Also, my GeForce256 is feeling > S-L-O-W. So, I bought a Gainward GeForce2 > Golden Sample Ti/500. I know it's no GF3, but hey, cut me some slack. > For $139 at newegg.com, It'll be an improvement. > > I guess that I could consider XP, but I haven't been impressed. > > I use an Act-Labs Force RS wheel/shifter, and by the end of next > week, > the new clutch system. (Finally got an email - preordered 5/25/01!) > Win98SE has served me fairly well, but I'm beginning to wonder about > an OS > that can use more memory. I also do digital video/audio, Divx, etc. > > Opinions? > > Is Win2K worth the upgrade? Can these driving sims utilize 512Mb > or > 1Gb RAM? Will I see better performance? With RAM so cheap, the > temptation is great. > > Thanks for any info...

2k has less bugs and is faster :P I would try duel booting first though or something.... some games like viper racing have problems On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:54:34 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> XP is the 'new and improved' win2k. If your not impressed with XP, I >don't see what 2k would have to offer. The Win98 variants can run up to >512mb of memory. After that...bad news. > Some sims like GPL will not run if you have more than 512mbs UNLESS you >create a ramdisk that uses up the extra ram or limit the vcache to 512 megs >in the system.ini or win.ini file(not sure which) Other sims probably won't >notice it. Most likely the ONLY advantage you'd gain in exceeding 512mb >using 2k or XP would be to get longer replays. I think the performance >curve in Win98 starts flattening out after 196mb so while you can use more >memory, the actually gains will be smaller. The 2k/Xp group most likely >would only begin to perform well if you have at least 512, but that is the >OS itself, actual sims may see little or no improvement with that much >memory. > I am just confused tho as I stated above what you expect to gain over XP >by using 2k? Sorry I must be tired but I don't see any obvious reason why >it would be better. >dave henrie >"daisykillbot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I'm a fairly-happy Win98SE user for Rally2K, GPL, SCGT, NFS-Porsche, >> Viper Racing, MB Truck Racing, Nascar 4 and MS Flight Sim 2000 Pro. >> >> As I'm building a new AMD 1600+/Abit KG7 DDR system, my >> gear-fetish has turned toward implementing more than the 256Mb RAM >> that I used on my PIII/733 box. Also, my GeForce256 is feeling >> S-L-O-W. So, I bought a Gainward GeForce2 >> Golden Sample Ti/500. I know it's no GF3, but hey, cut me some slack. >> For $139 at newegg.com, It'll be an improvement. >> >> I guess that I could consider XP, but I haven't been impressed. >> >> I use an Act-Labs Force RS wheel/shifter, and by the end of next >> week, >> the new clutch system. (Finally got an email - preordered 5/25/01!) >> Win98SE has served me fairly well, but I'm beginning to wonder about >> an OS >> that can use more memory. I also do digital video/audio, Divx, etc. >> >> Opinions? >> >> Is Win2K worth the upgrade? Can these driving sims utilize 512Mb >> or >> 1Gb RAM? Will I see better performance? With RAM so cheap, the >> temptation is great. >> >> Thanks for any info... >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KM7C7.51823$[email hidden]... > I am just confused tho as I stated above what you expect to gain over XP > by using 2k? Sorry I must be tired but I don't see any obvious reason why > it would be better. Let's see - none of the notorious product activation (which will more than likely turn into a licensing scheme), none of the pervasive, hard-sell requests to get a Microsoft Passport, and fewer of the leveraged associations to Microsoft and its partners. XP is Microsoft's biggest attempt yet to leverage it's OS dominance into media and ecommerce of every kind. Every time you shop over the Internet, buy music, access news, view media, etc, Microsoft wants a fee. That's not about to happen yet, but it is most certainly their plan. As for 2k being poor with games, I haven't yet encountered any problems. I'm sure there are one or two examples that exist, but I am happy to forego them in order to avoid subjecting my wallet, privacy, etc. to Microsoft's control. I won't even repeat their security track record. The biggest joke is that they're advertising the product by hyping it's features such as "sending pictures all around the world", CD burning, movie editing - all stuff that can be handled (more than likely better) by existing applications. Maybe they should advertise the product activation "features", too - I'm sure that would have consumers thrilled. Maybe this is all a bit too conspiracy-theory-ish, but personally I don't think it's very far off the mark. To cap it all, the OS isn't exactly cheap, and the Home edition is crippled to prevent it from logging on to Win2k or Professional networks. Basically, MS is doing everything to protect its revenue stream, and actually very little (bar more bells and whistles) for its consumers who have been loyally turning it into the one of the richest companies in the world. As for me, I am fully intending that Win2k is my last MS purchase, unless they radically change their tack. Right now I am putting together a dual boot system with Linux and will make every effort to run as much as possible under Linux. Already there are office suites (e.g. OpenOffice), web browsers, email clients, databases, development tools, etc. for Linux. Games will be the very last applications that require MS's bloatware OS's. Maybe I'll end up with a PS2 (or whatever it's successor will be) for games, and a Linux machine for everything else . . . Read CNET's coverage for more info: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-7540650-0.html Ryan ______________________________________________________________________________ Posted Via Binaries.net = SPEED+RETENTION+COMPLETION = http://www.binaries.net

> I am just confused tho as I stated above what you expect to gain over XP > by using 2k? Sorry I must be tired but I don't see any obvious reason why > it would be better. > dave henrie I know alot of people that stay one OS behind. Their thinking is that is that by the time Microsoft releases a new Os they final have the old one running correctly. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it myself. I'll probably go to XP after the first of the year myself. Getting a new video card then so with XP licensing crap I don't want to upgrade until I'm maxed out on my hardware. MadDAWG

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 05:24:31 -0300, "Drag0n" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'd say upgrading to XP would make more sense in your case. You're a gamer >running 98. >It's my understanding that XP will work with more games then Win00. It has >some nifty features to fool software into thinking it's running on 98, etc. >XP home edition was designed with gaming support in mind. Yea, but will *all* my windows games run on XP? I don't care so much about the dos games anymore. But, if XP will run all my windows games then I will buy it.

On 25 Oct 2001 23:34:06 -0700, [email hidden] (daisykillbot) wrote: >Also, my GeForce256 is feeling >S-L-O-W. So, I bought a Gainward GeForce2 >Golden Sample Ti/500. I know it's no GF3, but hey, cut me some slack. >For $139 at newegg.com, It'll be an improvement. TI/500 GF2?? TI means Titanium which I thought came only in the Geforce3 flavour.

My bet is that more will run on XP then will ever run on 2000. "Dave Ryerson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 05:24:31 -0300, "Drag0n" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I'd say upgrading to XP would make more sense in your case. You're agamer > >running 98. > >It's my understanding that XP will work with more games then Win00. Ithas > >some nifty features to fool software into thinking it's running on 98,etc. > >XP home edition was designed with gaming support in mind. > > Yea, but will *all* my windows games run on XP? I don't care so much > about the dos games anymore. But, if XP will run all my windows games > then I will buy it.

"Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KM7C7.51823$[email hidden]... > > I am just confused tho as I stated above what you expect to gain overXP > > by using 2k? Sorry I must be tired but I don't see any obvious reasonwhy

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> > it would be better. > > Let's see - none of the notorious product activation (which will more than > likely turn into a licensing scheme), none of the pervasive, hard-sell > requests to get a Microsoft Passport, and fewer of the leveraged > associations to Microsoft and its partners. XP is Microsoft's biggest > attempt yet to leverage it's OS dominance into media and ecommerce of

every > kind. Every time you shop over the Internet, buy music, access news, view > media, etc, Microsoft wants a fee. That's not about to happen yet, but itis > most certainly their plan. > If you have a fast internet connection you can purchase a copy of XP then download the corporate version. This does not have the activation code inside it. Or you could simply download the many cracks available to remove the activation code.

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:15:36 GMT, "John Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >My bet is that more will run on XP then will ever run on 2000. You dind't answer my question. :-) I said *all*, not more.

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:37:01 -0400, "AndrewS" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Or you could simply download the many cracks available to remove >the activation code. > Yea, and if you crack it you will probably never be able to install any security patches/service packs etc.

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:25:26 GMT, WB <[email hidden]> wrote: >2k has less bugs and is faster :P > >I would try duel booting first though or something.... >some games like viper racing have problems The 1.2.0.1 patch something works here on my Win2K. Ruud van Gaal Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:21:32 +0200, "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote: ... >Maybe this is all a bit too conspiracy-theory-ish, but personally I don't >think it's very far off the mark. In the movie of Bill Gates' (Microsoft's) history you hear Bill saying 'we have to get the people dependent on our software'. Everything I've ever seen from Microsoft points in that direction. ... >As for me, I am fully intending that Win2k is my last MS purchase, unless >they radically change their tack. I think, even hope, many people will feel the same. As Linux is heading in a very good direction, it is already quite a viable alternative. Especially with the way Microsoft is behaving. I'm also hesitant to even try XP. It's really heading off into the wrong direction. Which wouldn't be all bad if the system's design wasn't so inefficient and selfcentered. Ruud van Gaal Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

I have to agree with Ryan. The activation-scheme is one of the things that really turned me off about XP. What a hassle. I don't think MS cares about what video card I'm using, but they seem to be testing the waters for licensing. They have made this desire public. I don't plan on paying a monthly fee for Windows. So, maybe I'll buy full-blown copy of Win2K and hide until someone decides to design a new OS. I'd do it myself, but frankly, I'm just not that smart. What's the difference between Win2K and Win2K Pro. Anything useful?

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>On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 05:24:31 -0300, "Drag0n" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>I'd say upgrading to XP would make more sense in your case. You're a gamer >>running 98. >>It's my understanding that XP will work with more games then Win00. It has >>some nifty features to fool software into thinking it's running on 98, etc. >>XP home edition was designed with gaming support in mind. > >Yea, but will *all* my windows games run on XP? I don't care so much >about the dos games anymore. But, if XP will run all my windows games >then I will buy it.

I must be one of the few still running DOS games. I can stick with 98se for a few more years yet...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> On 25 Oct 2001 23:34:06 -0700, [email hidden] (daisykillbot) > wrote: > > >Also, my GeForce256 is feeling > >S-L-O-W. So, I bought a Gainward GeForce2 > >Golden Sample Ti/500. I know it's no GF3, but hey, cut me some slack. > >For $139 at newegg.com, It'll be an improvement. > > TI/500 GF2?? TI means Titanium which I thought came only in the > Geforce3 flavour.

Nope... Check it out: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=48&manufactory=1387 $139 at newegg.com. For the money, it seems like a great card. And I just can't justify $300+ for a GF3.

Well, posting a list of ALL your games would be a start if you want your question answered. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Dave Ryerson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:15:36 GMT, "John Smith" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >My bet is that more will run on XP then will ever run on 2000. > > > You dind't answer my question. :-) > I said *all*, not more. >

On 26 Oct 2001 12:06:18 -0700, daisykillbot wrote:

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> Dave Ryerson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > > On 25 Oct 2001 23:34:06 -0700, [email hidden] (daisykillbot) > > wrote: > > > > >Also, my GeForce256 is feeling > > >S-L-O-W. So, I bought a Gainward GeForce2 > > >Golden Sample Ti/500. I know it's no GF3, but hey, cut me some slack. > > >For $139 at newegg.com, It'll be an improvement. > > > > TI/500 GF2?? TI means Titanium which I thought came only in the > > Geforce3 flavour. > > Nope... > Check it out: > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=48&manufactory=1387 > > $139 at newegg.com. > > For the money, it seems like a great card. And I just can't justify > $300+ for a GF3. >

Hmm, I wonder if newegg.com is confused. From what I understand there are 3 Titanium cards including: GeForce3 Ti 500 GeForce3 Ti 200 GeForce2 Ti I never heard of a GeForce2 Ti 500. According to http://www.nvnews.net/previews/geforce3_titanium/page_1.shtml "the estimated price of the GeForce2 Ti will be $149" so I bet that is what they are selling at that price. There is no "500" attached to that card. -- Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:12:33 GMT, "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well, posting a list of ALL your games would be a start if you want your >question answered. That would a long process indeed, too long But, here's one that I know won't work on NT, Chessmaster 7000, does that work on XP? Or is it a case of if it doesn't work on NT 2000 then it won't work on XP either?

On 26 Oct 2001 16:55:17 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >I must be one of the few still running DOS games. I can stick with 98se for a >few more years yet...<g> > >Eldred I have all of my old dos floppy disk games sitting about 10 feet from me now in a box and should probably throw them out, the only dos games I might play today are Steel Panthers (war game) and Fast Attack ( sub sim).

On 26 Oct 2001 12:06:18 -0700, [email hidden] (daisykillbot) wrote:

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>Nope... >Check it out: >http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=48&manufactory=1387 > >$139 at newegg.com. > >For the money, it seems like a great card. And I just can't justify >$300+ for a GF3.

Yea, I came across it last night while searching for prices on the Geforce3.

http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=14-128-110-01.JPG/14-128-110-02.JPG/14-128-110-03.JPG Here's the link to the box pic. For $10 more, I thought it was a better deal than the GeForce2 Pro with 4.5ns. Of course, its performance depends on my prowess at assembling the new computer. We'll see about that... Anybody run these with Win2K Pro? *) Rally2K *) Mercedes Benz Truck Racing *) Sports Car GT *) Grand Prix Legends *) Nascar 4 *) Nascar 3 *) Need For Speed - Porsche *) Viper Racing (I saw the patch note above) *) MS Flight Sim 2K Pro (surely, from the belly of the beast) Thanks for the response...

I put Win2K on my new 1.4 Athlon system with 512K. Much more stable OS wiithout activation. N4 and GPL run fine. Old DOS games would probably be a pain in the butt.

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>>few more years yet...<g> >> >>Eldred > >I have all of my old dos floppy disk games sitting about 10 feet from >me now in a box and should probably throw them out, the only dos games >I might play today are Steel Panthers (war game) and Fast Attack ( sub >sim).

Don't throw 'em out. Send 'em to me. -Tim

On 26 Oct 2001 21:58:23 -0700, daisykillbot wrote: > http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=14-128-110-01.JPG/14-128-110-02.JPG/14-128-110-03.JPG > > Here's the link to the box pic. Hmm, seems to me that Gainward has given it the "500" on their own. The nvidia site specifically says: Introducing the World's Most Powerful Series of Graphics Processors! � GeForce3 Ti 500 � GeForce3 Ti 200 � GeForce2 Ti Bottom line, that card is a GeForce2 Ti, especially at that price. -- Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com

On 26 Oct 2001 21:58:23 -0700, daisykillbot wrote: > http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=14-128-110-01.JPG/14-128-110-02.JPG/14-128-110-03.JPG > > Here's the link to the box pic. Yep, it's a GeForce2 Ti as per their website. Seems they have thrown in all kinds of strange numbers for the Titanium series cards: http://www.gainward.com/us/products/vgacard.htm -- Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:30:27 GMT, [email hidden] (The Enigmatic One) wrote: > Don't throw 'em out. Send 'em to me. > > > -Tim I think the shipping costs would be quite expensive. They are all probably corrupted now anyway. One of the pitfalls of the floppy disk was data becoming corrupted over time.

On 26 Oct 2001 21:58:23 -0700, [email hidden] (daisykillbot) wrote: >*) MS Flight Sim 2K Pro (surely, from the belly of the beast) Get FS2002, it runs *much* better than the 2K version. Looks great too.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 05:28:45 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: >I put Win2K on my new 1.4 Athlon system with 512K. > >Much more stable OS wiithout activation. > >N4 and GPL run fine. Old DOS games would probably be a pain in the >butt. I read that MS Train Sim has no keyboard support under XP. I own Train Sim so XP is definately off my shopping list now.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:09:03 -0400, Dave Ryerson <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:30:27 GMT, [email hidden] (The Enigmatic >One) wrote: > > >> Don't throw 'em out. Send 'em to me. >> >> >> -Tim > >I think the shipping costs would be quite expensive. They are all >probably corrupted now anyway. One of the pitfalls of the floppy disk >was data becoming corrupted over time.

About 5 seconds after you remove it from the drive, in my experience. :) Ruud van Gaal Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

"daisykillbot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=14-128-110-01.JPG/14-128-110-0 2.JPG/14-128-110-03.JPG > > Here's the link to the box pic. > > For $10 more, I thought it was a better deal than the GeForce2 Pro > with 4.5ns. You may be right, but don't sell the GeForce2 Pro with 4.5ns short. This card kicks butt. It's very overclockable. I've got mine running at 265/500 (default is 200/400)and it tests faster then the average GeForce 2 Ultra on 3D Mark 2001. It even works great with F1 2001!!! LOL!! Todd

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> Of course, its performance depends on my prowess at assembling the new > computer. > We'll see about that... > > Anybody run these with Win2K Pro? > *) Rally2K > *) Mercedes Benz Truck Racing > *) Sports Car GT > *) Grand Prix Legends > *) Nascar 4 > *) Nascar 3 > *) Need For Speed - Porsche > *) Viper Racing (I saw the patch note above) > *) MS Flight Sim 2K Pro (surely, from the belly of the beast) > > Thanks for the response...

What's a good URL for overclocking the 2 Pro? And does that have any potential side-effects, such as overheating/damage? "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:twCC7.241230$[email hidden]... > You may be right, but don't sell the GeForce2 Pro with 4.5ns short. This > card kicks butt. It's very overclockable. I've got mine running at 265/500 > (default is 200/400)and it tests faster then the average GeForce 2 Ultraon > 3D Mark 2001. It even works great with F1 2001!!! LOL!! >

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> > On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:12:33 GMT, "Biz" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Well, posting a list of ALL your games would be a start if you want your > >question answered. > > That would a long process indeed, too long But, here's one that I know > won't work on NT, Chessmaster 7000, does that work on XP? Or is it a > case of if it doesn't work on NT 2000 then it won't work on XP either?

http://xpsc.cjb.net/ -- Fester

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> > On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 05:28:45 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > > >I put Win2K on my new 1.4 Athlon system with 512K. > > > >Much more stable OS wiithout activation. > > > >N4 and GPL run fine. Old DOS games would probably be a pain in the > >butt. > > I read that MS Train Sim has no keyboard support under XP. I own Train > Sim so XP is definately off my shopping list now.

After reading this, I just went & tried it. MSTS works just fine with XP here, keyboard & all. This seems to be the quickest/most stable Windows platform I've run since Win 3.1. -- Fester Official Operating System Test Pilot...

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:27:26 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) wrote: >About 5 seconds after you remove it from the drive, in my experience. >:) Or when you lend your copy of Fleet Defender to a friend and he puts one of the floppies on top of his printer.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:17:47 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: >http://xpsc.cjb.net/ A moment too late. I was bored so went out and bought XP today. Have only installed a few games so far and they all run fine. Someone posted that MS Train Sim loses the keyboard functioning under XP, well it runs fine for me.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:33:39 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: >After reading this, I just went & tried it. MSTS works just fine with >XP here, keyboard & all. This seems to be the quickest/most stable >Windows platform I've run since Win 3.1. Yes, read my above post. Got XP today, Train Sim runs great for me too. Don't know what that other guy's problem was.

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >says... >> >> >>On 26 Oct 2001 16:55:17 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >> >> >>>I must be one of the few still running DOS games. I can stick with 98se >for >a >>>few more years yet...<g> >>> >>>Eldred >> >>I have all of my old dos floppy disk games sitting about 10 feet from >>me now in a box and should probably throw them out, the only dos games >>I might play today are Steel Panthers (war game) and Fast Attack ( sub >>sim). > > Don't throw 'em out. Send 'em to me. >

Have you NO shame, Tim? But yeah, I'll take half - you can have the other half...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Ryerson <[email hidden]> writes:

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>On 26 Oct 2001 16:55:17 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >>I must be one of the few still running DOS games. I can stick with 98se for >a >>few more years yet...<g> >> >>Eldred > >I have all of my old dos floppy disk games sitting about 10 feet from >me now in a box and should probably throw them out, the only dos games >I might play today are Steel Panthers (war game) and Fast Attack ( sub >sim).

I have Steel Panthers, as well as a few *more* SSI games. I've been a fan of theirs from Apple II days...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (daisykillbot) writes: >Anybody run these with Win2K Pro? >*) Rally2K >*) Mercedes Benz Truck Racing Hell, I can't get MBTR to even work with 98se... Couldn't get it to recognize my controller right(TSW2mod). Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 28 Oct 2001 15:14:46 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >I have Steel Panthers, as well as a few *more* SSI games. I've been a fan of >theirs from Apple II days...<g> > >Eldred Yea good stuff. Do you have Combat Mission? Not by SSI, but a very good tactical wargame. www.battlefront.com

> Is Win2K worth the upgrade? Can these driving sims utilize 512Mb > or It was two years ago, if you got the system XP is the way to go now.

Xp is way faster and more stable. "WB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> 2k has less bugs and is faster :P > > I would try duel booting first though or something.... > some games like viper racing have problems > > > > On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:54:34 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > XP is the 'new and improved' win2k. If your not impressed with XP, I > >don't see what 2k would have to offer. The Win98 variants can run up to > >512mb of memory. After that...bad news. > > Some sims like GPL will not run if you have more than 512mbs UNLESS you > >create a ramdisk that uses up the extra ram or limit the vcache to 512

megs > >in the system.ini or win.ini file(not sure which) Other sims probablywon't > >notice it. Most likely the ONLY advantage you'd gain in exceeding 512mb > >using 2k or XP would be to get longer replays. I think the performance > >curve in Win98 starts flattening out after 196mb so while you can usemore > >memory, the actually gains will be smaller. The 2k/Xp group most likely > >would only begin to perform well if you have at least 512, but that isthe > >OS itself, actual sims may see little or no improvement with that much > >memory. > > I am just confused tho as I stated above what you expect to gain overXP > >by using 2k? Sorry I must be tired but I don't see any obvious reasonwhy

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> >it would be better. > >dave henrie > >"daisykillbot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> I'm a fairly-happy Win98SE user for Rally2K, GPL, SCGT, NFS-Porsche, > >> Viper Racing, MB Truck Racing, Nascar 4 and MS Flight Sim 2000 Pro. > >> > >> As I'm building a new AMD 1600+/Abit KG7 DDR system, my > >> gear-fetish has turned toward implementing more than the 256Mb RAM > >> that I used on my PIII/733 box. Also, my GeForce256 is feeling > >> S-L-O-W. So, I bought a Gainward GeForce2 > >> Golden Sample Ti/500. I know it's no GF3, but hey, cut me some slack. > >> For $139 at newegg.com, It'll be an improvement. > >> > >> I guess that I could consider XP, but I haven't been impressed. > >> > >> I use an Act-Labs Force RS wheel/shifter, and by the end of next > >> week, > >> the new clutch system. (Finally got an email - preordered 5/25/01!) > >> Win98SE has served me fairly well, but I'm beginning to wonder about > >> an OS > >> that can use more memory. I also do digital video/audio, Divx, etc. > >> > >> Opinions? > >> > >> Is Win2K worth the upgrade? Can these driving sims utilize 512Mb > >> or > >> 1Gb RAM? Will I see better performance? With RAM so cheap, the > >> temptation is great. > >> > >> Thanks for any info... > > >

[email hidden] says... > I'm a fairly-happy Win98SE user for Rally2K, GPL, SCGT, NFS-Porsche, > Viper Racing, MB Truck Racing, Nascar 4 and MS Flight Sim 2000 Pro. Great! > As I'm building a new AMD 1600+/Abit KG7 DDR system, my > gear-fetish has turned toward implementing more than the 256Mb RAM > that I used on my PIII/733 box. Also, my GeForce256 is feeling > S-L-O-W. So, I bought a Gainward GeForce2 > Golden Sample Ti/500. I know it's no GF3, but hey, cut me some slack. > For $139 at newegg.com, It'll be an improvement. Man, I'm still on my GeForce 256 > I guess that I could consider XP, but I haven't been impressed. Sod XP, I'm using it now. After using 2000 for a loong time, I can safely say that XP is nothing special. it seems to run *slower* on my 1.33ghz AMD than 2000 ever did, and thats *after* I disabled all that stupid skins nonsense, and all the crap and services that load up by default.

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> I use an Act-Labs Force RS wheel/shifter, and by the end of next > week, > the new clutch system. (Finally got an email - preordered 5/25/01!) > Win98SE has served me fairly well, but I'm beginning to wonder about > an OS > that can use more memory. I also do digital video/audio, Divx, etc. > > Opinions? > > Is Win2K worth the upgrade? Can these driving sims utilize 512Mb > or > 1Gb RAM? Will I see better performance? With RAM so cheap, the > temptation is great.

Don't waste your money on ram. 512 Meg is overkill as it is. If you can 'aqquire' windows 2000, then I would definately suggest you install it, with service pack 2, downloadable from microsofts site (about 100 megs). It is MUCH more stable than 98se. I experienced no problems with my millions of driving games and quake type games. As long as you got all your drivers ready, you will be ok. 2000 also has the added bonus that it doesn't 'hide' any of the more useful options, like XP does. I found it MORE difficult setting up my network on XP with the so called wizard than I did with the standard way on 2000. > > Thanks for any info... Hope its been a help! probably not :) Burco

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Ryerson <[email hidden]> writes:

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>On 28 Oct 2001 15:14:46 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >>I have Steel Panthers, as well as a few *more* SSI games. I've been a fan >of >>theirs from Apple II days...<g> >> >>Eldred > >Yea good stuff. Do you have Combat Mission? Not by SSI, but a very >good tactical wargame. > >www.battlefront.com

No, I don't. I'll check it out, thanks. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Just for an update... I built the box and it rocks! I really had very little trouble, and I'm very thankful. Esp. after hearing about other peoples problems. The Abit KG7-Raid does NOT like RPM-reporting fans on its headers. It caused "checksum error" at boot. Couldn't even get into the BIOS. After I connected the fans directly to the power supply, it cleared up everything. Specs: Win98SE Abit KG7-Raid Athlon 1600+ XP Aplha PAL8045 HSF Crucial DDR2100 2.5 256Mb Gainward GeForce2 Ti/500 Golden Sample IBM 7200rpm ATA100 20Gb Enermax Whisper 350W EIGHT! Enermax UC-8FAB rpm-controllable fans (very quiet even at max) and a killer case - http://www.colorcomputercase.com/products/AT821.html It's small, but has space for seven 80mm case fans and it's only $59. I had to drill out a bad rivet and install a bolt, but for the money, can't really complain. Temps: 39/41 degC (Idle/Load) 31 degC case temp Sisoft Sandra Scores: (I don't OC) 1024 X 768 @ 32bit CPU: (Dry) 3904 / (Whet) 1947 CPU-MM: (Int) 7798 / (Fpu) 8973 Memory: (Int) 690 / (Fpu) 748 HD: 26439 (with no raid, on IDE 3) Note: That HD speed blasts the Cheetah U2W SCSI LVD setup on my PIII at 19756. $1100 for the SCSI set-up versus $77 for the IBM ATA-100 drive and the Abit mobo. BAM! So far, so good. I'm using it as I "speak". And finally, I can run SCGT full bore in a pack of cars! Haven't loaded up GPL yet, but it ran pretty good on my PIII/733/GeForce256. No crashes or BSODs yet. And all under $1000 at newegg. I paid $3000 for my Micron system two years ago. Never again. Oh yeah, and the day I built my system, my Act-Labs clutch replacement pedals came! What am I doing writing this? I gotta go...