OT - Windows XP

Now that Win XP is out, is there anyone who thinks it is a good move from ME or '98? Especially, is the activation process working and does it offer an advantages for Racing sims. Andi.

I don't have XP yet but my two cents ... I usually give every Win OS about 6 months to a year to "settle in" and let all the OS geeks bash their brains out on it :-) I didn't even try Win ME yet (still have 98). "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9rhnmd$eri$[email hidden]... > Now that Win XP is out, is there anyone who thinks it is a good move fromME

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> or '98? > > Especially, is the activation process working and does it offer an > advantages for Racing sims. > > Andi. > > >

On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:51:33 GMT, "Kevin" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I don't have XP yet but my two cents ... I usually give every Win OS about 6 >months to a year to "settle in" and let all the OS geeks bash their brains >out on it :-) I didn't even try Win ME yet (still have 98). You don't want ME either, it's crap. But I happen to like XP. The only driver I had to install was for my Santa Cruz soundcard, every other piece of equipment is supported, although I did install newer vid drivers and VIA drivers. Even my printer (Epson 870) is supported right in WinXP. Never had such a painless install of Windows yet.

Dave, Did you upgrade or do a "clean" install? Todd "Dave Ryerson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:51:33 GMT, "Kevin" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I don't have XP yet but my two cents ... I usually give every Win OSabout 6 > >months to a year to "settle in" and let all the OS geeks bash theirbrains

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> >out on it :-) I didn't even try Win ME yet (still have 98). > > You don't want ME either, it's crap. But I happen to like XP. The only > driver I had to install was for my Santa Cruz soundcard, every other > piece of equipment is supported, although I did install newer vid > drivers and VIA drivers. Even my printer (Epson 870) is supported > right in WinXP. Never had such a painless install of Windows yet.

In article <9S0D7.94770$[email hidden]>, "Kevin" <[email hidden]> writes: >I don't have XP yet but my two cents ... I usually give every Win OS about 6 >months to a year to "settle in" and let all the OS geeks bash their brains >out on it :-) I didn't even try Win ME yet (still have 98). > I don't have ANY interest in XP, or win2K, or ME. I'm still on 98se, too. Works fine on everything I run... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

XP is great if you DON"T have a Voodoo card, or an MPEG decoder card, support for both is pretty poor. And we all know the driver situation concerning our beloved voodoo-based cards. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Andi Cole <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9rhnmd$eri$[email hidden]... > Now that Win XP is out, is there anyone who thinks it is a good move from ME > or '98? > > Especially, is the activation process working and does it offer an > advantages for Racing sims. > > Andi. > > >

Sorry that's not true. XP is great if you have a VooDoo card. See http://www.falconfly.de/3dfx.htm as one example. There's XP drivers are available that support GLIDE! The user community support has been outstanding, sort of like patchin' GPL up. Stick that up your tailpipe and smoke it! :-) "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UuiD7.163437$[email hidden]... > XP is great if you DON"T have a Voodoo card, or an MPEG decoder card, > support for both is pretty poor. And we all know the driver situation > concerning our beloved voodoo-based cards. > > -- > Biz

It's even better idea to wait another 6 months for XP SE then. "Kevin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9S0D7.94770$[email hidden]... > I don't have XP yet but my two cents ... I usually give every Win OS about6 > months to a year to "settle in" and let all the OS geeks bash their brains > out on it :-) I didn't even try Win ME yet (still have 98). >

well, I was hesitant but I think XP rocks. ME is a POS. All that's good for is lockups. XP is much kmore stable. If you have a TSW, though, there are problems with F1 2001 recogning the accelerator. N4 works fine though. I think it is due to the fact that you can no longer disable polling like in 98SE. But, everything else is much better to me ... "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9rhnmd$eri$[email hidden]... > Now that Win XP is out, is there anyone who thinks it is a good move fromME

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> or '98? > > Especially, is the activation process working and does it offer an > advantages for Racing sims. > > Andi. > > >

"Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:irmD7.138203$[email hidden]... > well, I was hesitant but I think XP rocks. ME is a POS. All that's goodfor > is lockups. I've heard this twice today. ME is NOT a POS, it's a much more stable OS versus 95/98 IMO. I've had excellent success with it. With 98 on the same hardware I had to reinstall every three months or so due to some glitch. ME, rock solid. PIII-733, Intel mainboard, exV5. Now the other person who mentioned this today was quized. You know what the POS was, his system, ancient hardware, odd or no drivers for it, etc. but guess what gets the blame? >XP is much kmore stable. It should be it's a true 32bit OS.

In article <9rhnmd$eri$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Now that Win XP is out, is there anyone who thinks it is a good move from ME > or '98? You're pretty much "smoking crack" if you don't upgrade. I have had zero problems so far, and all of my hardware and software is working. > > Especially, is the activation process working and does it offer an > advantages for Racing sims. > The activation process is pretty much transparent; it's no big deal. I haven't installed any 3D games, so I can't comment on that. (PS2 gamer) -- "Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson

Voodoo card support using glide is still suspect, you must not be reading the appropriate posts. I understand it is working, but I've seen very few positive posts about its reliability/stability running GPL using 3dfx under XP. If yoiu reread my post, I said support is poor, not non-existent. I understand the user copmmunity has stepped up to try to fill the gap left by those nVidea morons, and I think its great, but its not 100% reliable yet on many systems. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Dragon <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b7kD7.49362$[email hidden]... > Sorry that's not true. XP is great if you have a VooDoo card. See > http://www.falconfly.de/3dfx.htm as one example. > There's XP drivers are available that support GLIDE! > > The user community support has been outstanding, sort of like patchin' GPL > up. > Stick that up your tailpipe and smoke it! :-) > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:UuiD7.163437$[email hidden]... > > XP is great if you DON"T have a Voodoo card, or an MPEG decoder card, > > support for both is pretty poor. And we all know the driver situation > > concerning our beloved voodoo-based cards. > > > > -- > > Biz > > >

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <9S0D7.94770$[email hidden]>, "Kevin" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I don't have XP yet but my two cents ... I usually give every Win OSabout 6 > >months to a year to "settle in" and let all the OS geeks bash theirbrains > >out on it :-) I didn't even try Win ME yet (still have 98). > > > > I don't have ANY interest in XP, or win2K, or ME. I'm still on 98se, too. > Works fine on everything I run... Lol, heck I'm still on win98 original - well, I do keep it updated through the windows update sight so it is probably closer to SE now than not. I'll have to admit though, i am intrigued by what I have read on XP. I've been meaning to get a new hard drive and do a clean install of windows, XP may just push me to doing it. Don Burnette

First off, this is not a repsonse to get at you. It is not intended to be dissing you or anyone else. It may seem that way but these are some of the frustrations we have seen and after looking at what I wrote and how it was written, I can see how you might think I was so called "yelling" at you. I am too tired to rewrite it now though. <G> It really is to Microsoft for releasing ME in the first place. Well, when I bought ME last year, I had a Pentium III 1 Ghz system with an ASUS CUSL2-C motherboard,with 256 MB of Crucial RAM, a Ultra 66 30.8 GB Western Digital Hard disk, a 32 MB Hercules 3dProphet II-MX graphics card, a Sb Live! Value Card, and a Kingston 10/100 Network card. These were all top quality products then and all it did was crash. We received new PC's from Dell with name brand components, most of those the same as above with USR modem and network cards and the motherboards being the only difference, pre-installed with Windows Me. Crash city. So, reinstall from scratch. Crash city. BTW, what is the definition of crappy equipment? Did that guy you quizzed have that crappy equipment work with 98SE? If it did work with 98SE, then why should it not with ME? The people who've had success with ME are few and far between, not the other way around. Windows 98 has been the standard OS for years now, not Windows ME. I'm a programmer and IT consultant at work for smaller businesses. All we have ever seen with ME are bugs and incompatibilities. They changed the way a program sets window focus in Windows ME. Well, it caused Windows versions of our accounting software we resale to lose focus, basically to grey out the top bar so the keyboard wouldn't work without clicking on the window every time a new form would open. This problem was non-existant in 95, 98, 98SE, AND Windows 2000. Also, programs were now launched differently than before. For some reason, all of the other OS's worked with that syntax, including XP now. There are bugs with the software that have never been fixed. When the system crashed for whatever reason, it would restore a working version of the OS. Great, in theory. What if those programs that were on it at that time no longer were on the hard disk? It didnt reinstall those. What it did do was that it created useless shortcuts and also it added their entries back into the registry and would show up in Add/Remove Programs in Control Panel, which you couldnt take it out of the list and remove those entries because the uninstall program was gone. So, it leaves a crap load of registry entries for that program out there, as well as leaving the program listed as installed. Well, super! There are also problems in ME on local workgroup networks where the master broswer service conflicts with other OS's and causes mapped drives to show as disconnected, for no reason. I could go on. Guess what? They are discontinuing end user sales in November (at least that's what they said a month ago at the local Microsoft Technet session) for ME and 98 SE, no more updates. It was also slower than Christmas and not half as fun. That's why the people I know that have had limited success with ME switch to 98SE to play games such as Nascar 4. To even get ME to perform close to 98, you had to disable the new things added to ME that were really the only possible reasons to upgrade. XP Home is faster than ME, out of the box. Why? 98 is faster than ME. Why? Windows ME and 98 will no longer be available, period. Win 98 had incredible staying power because it was simply tons better than Windows ME, and no one trusted ME to run their critical apps. There was no reason at all to upgrade to Windows ME. The only reason it is out there in mass at all is because they started bundling that with new PC's and didn't give OEM's a lot of choice in the matter. Who actually bought Windows ME from a store? Not many folks. The only reason ME was even released is because they failed to have the home version of Windows 2000 ready. XP Home is what Windows 2000 Home was supposed to have been. All they did was add some features to 98, and package it up in a box to make some money off the features they had already spent time on that would work, when they couldn't get Win 2000 Home to work properly. They did this instead of just eating all of that development time that fiscal year to make their fiugres look better, when they couldn't get the Home version of 2000 to work properly. XP should not have meant the end for ME anymore than ME was the end for 98SE. The reason it is coming to an end now is because ME was a failure. If it were any good at all, they would still sell a few copies. But what are people buying at the store in retail sales? Either 98SE or now XP. DOS 6.0 to 6.22 had more success than 98SE to ME. I hate to sound harsh, I'm not trying to be to you. It's not directed to you personally. It's frustration as an IT person that saw people and small businesses that couldn't afford Win2k Professional taken for money for an inferior product that will no longer receive good support. I know that people will say, "well, it's not for business." That's just not realistic though. Even companies as large as Michelin use Windows 98 or Me. The ME users are now in effect forced to upgrade to keep current, only a year later, to avoid security issues that crop up weekly with the Microsoft OS's. Those will not be fixed in ME unless it is a major issue. The bugs that are there will not be fixed. To get their problems fixed, they must upgrade at regular upgrade prices, not even a year later, and to me that is wrong. Furthermore, it's also a pain just to have another OS to keep up with in those situations for a consultant as well. Who needs this patch, well they have 98, they have Me, different drivers for hardware in ME, and software patches for ME: it's just more to keep up with for no reason. At least if they said Win2k Home is not ready, keep using 98, then they could have had legacy support and drivers, along with more compatibility. But no, they couldn't just do that. They had to release something to try to make up for those failed promises, and it has cost everybody that has and still have problems. It's also frustration for a developer that had to patch software that worked perfectly fine in all other Windows OS's and works now in XP, one year later, that the development time spent was just a waste of time and cost developers money. Now the software doesn't need these patches any more. I'm sorry it cost us money to have to actually physically go to client sites and patch these systems, when we had other issues that to us, were more important, that with 98 we would have never had to deal with. I'm sorry some clients blamed our accounting system for not being compatible when it is with everything else, including Linux and Unix. But, to the dumb luser (Microsoft's term for users in Win2k server) that thinks Microsoft is God, they aren't gonna listen to us, and they have an attitude toward the accounting software as a result. I'm also sorry we had to tell folks not to use ME because of incompatibilities, bugs, and crashes, and have to take the time and money to explain why, IF they had a choice: most didn't if they bought a Dell or Gateway or any other name brand PC's. The only complete success stories with ME that I know of is your experience and a few others and most of them use ME only for internet and things like that. Those are in the minority. I'm glad it worked out for you, it just hasnt for most of the other people I know. In my opinion, Windows ME should have never happened, period. Have a nice day, Phillip "Drag0n" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yEmD7.49578$[email hidden]...

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> "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:irmD7.138203$[email hidden]... > > well, I was hesitant but I think XP rocks. ME is a POS. All that's good > for > > is lockups. > > I've heard this twice today. ME is NOT a POS, it's a much more stable OS > versus 95/98 IMO. > I've had excellent success with it. With 98 on the same hardware I had to > reinstall every three months or so due to some glitch. ME, rock solid. > PIII-733, Intel mainboard, exV5. > > Now the other person who mentioned this today was quized. You know what

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> POS was, his system, ancient hardware, odd or no drivers for it, etc. but > guess what gets the blame? > > >XP is much kmore stable. > > It should be it's a true 32bit OS. > > >

Anything not based on the NT kernal is a POS, at least for computer users in the know. "Drag0n" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yEmD7.49578$[email hidden]...

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> "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:irmD7.138203$[email hidden]... > > well, I was hesitant but I think XP rocks. ME is a POS. All that's good > for > > is lockups. > > I've heard this twice today. ME is NOT a POS, it's a much more stable OS > versus 95/98 IMO. > I've had excellent success with it. With 98 on the same hardware I had to > reinstall every three months or so due to some glitch. ME, rock solid. > PIII-733, Intel mainboard, exV5. > > Now the other person who mentioned this today was quized. You know what

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> POS was, his system, ancient hardware, odd or no drivers for it, etc. but > guess what gets the blame? > > >XP is much kmore stable. > > It should be it's a true 32bit OS. > > >

"Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yHpD7.138891$[email hidden]... > First off, this is not a repsonse to get at you. It is not intended to > be dissing you or anyone else. > > I've heard this twice today. ME is NOT a POS, it's a much more stableOS > > versus 95/98 IMO. Your experience differs obviously. Your an IT consultant for small business. I'm an IT professional for a large company. I've also been working with and using PC technologies since 1982. You mention that your companies software doesn't work on ME, spent tons of time on development,etc. Well I don't run your software and I don't expect every piece of software to work on ME. However, not one application at my company has issues with ME, even old DOS FOXPRO applications. Not one game I own refuses to run on it. Even some of the DOS ones work with the boot to DOS tweak. You mention that it's not an option for your customers to upgrade to another OS to run your software, that's a weak argument for so many reasons. If they wanted it bad enough, they'd upgrade. System restore is not the end all, be all, for system backups. As a consultant I'd of had my customers purchase a tape drive to back their systems up or give them a ghost image on CD for faster recovery. XP Home is not faster than ME on my system, some games stutter for example. I won't blame the OS yet though as some of my hardware drivers may not be up to stuff. Another example is XP resource hogging. Look at the large number of services running in the background that aren't needed for gaming. You mentioned that security updates aren't available for ME, that's not true. I've been able to get security updates for this OS for quite some time now. Your main beef seems to be that you've spent a lot of time trying to get your software developed to work on ME and it hasn't panned out. I'm sorry. I won't get into a big debate on this, like I said IMO it's not a POS.

Read an article just yesterday about how few businesses expect to upgrade to XP, especially large companies, more so because the PCs AND OS they purchased 2 years ago are still very much productive. Since PC sales are down in this recessive year for the first time ever, I'd say fans of XP have their work cut out for them. And isn't XP supposed to be incrypted such to prevent 'illegal' distribution? Sounds more like a 1 billion dollar attempt at theft than anything else. True, the multimedia and browser enhancments are nice, and yes, conferencing is now a click away, instead of the phone features our businesses already have (by the way). Gee wiz, they're some reasons to scrap the thousands of working OS's already in place. MS is betting XP will be the next great leap since Win95, and even paid Sting to sing a song about it. How cute :) I'm thinkning Win95 was huge because of the leap from Windows, whereas ME, XP were more cosmetic than anything else. On another note, I take exception to your reference to small business support. Consulting is consulting. Your fooling your resume if you think the size of the customers you work with means anything. Oh, and I'm just curious, since I recall the first PC I bought in '82 was an Atari 800, just exactly what PC technologies were you 'working with' then? I think I remember a Radio Shack TRS80 or something like that, oh an that IBM thing running DOS we used in college in '84 to crash the mainframes in our labs :) Don't laugh, that Atari got me my first programming job :) Seriously, if you consider what's going on today, and I consult on PCs as much as the next guy, anything we used older than 3-4 years ago is landfill now; an experience long gone by in comparison to today's technology...2.0 Ghz CPUs will be under $500 by xmas, 100Gb drives under $300, all that memory for less that what a decent mouse costs, and my trusty Win98SE oem for 90 bucks. :) Tim White INTRAC Motorsports www.birds-i-view.com/intrac Drag0n <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IovD7.49725$[email hidden]... > > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yHpD7.138891$[email hidden]... > > First off, this is not a repsonse to get at you. It is not intendedto

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> > be dissing you or anyone else. > > > > I've heard this twice today. ME is NOT a POS, it's a much more stable > OS > > > versus 95/98 IMO. > > Your experience differs obviously. Your an IT consultant for small > business. I'm an IT professional for a large company. I've also been > working with and using PC technologies since 1982. > > You mention that your companies software doesn't work on ME, spent tons of > time on development,etc. Well I don't run your software and I don't

expect > every piece of software to work on ME. However, not one application atmy > company has issues with ME, even old DOS FOXPRO applications. Not onegame > I own refuses to run on it. Even some of the DOS ones work with the bootto > DOS tweak. > > You mention that it's not an option for your customers to upgrade toanother

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> OS to run your software, that's a weak argument for so many reasons. If > they wanted it bad enough, they'd upgrade. > > System restore is not the end all, be all, for system backups. As a > consultant I'd of had my customers purchase a tape drive to back their > systems up or give them a ghost image on CD for faster recovery. > > XP Home is not faster than ME on my system, some games stutter for

example. > I won't blame the OS yet though as some of my hardware drivers may not beup > to stuff. Another example is XP resource hogging. Look at the largenumber

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> of services running in the background that aren't needed for gaming. > > You mentioned that security updates aren't available for ME, that's not > true. I've been able to get security updates for this OS for quite some > time now. > > Your main beef seems to be that you've spent a lot of time trying to get > your software developed to work on ME and it hasn't panned out. I'm

sorry. > > I won't get into a big debate on this, like I said IMO it's not a POS. > > >

"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rhDD7.38755$[email hidden]... > > On another note, I take exception to your reference to small business > support. It wasn't meant as a slight, you read more into it than was there. It was just that a reference, where he is, where I am. I re-read it and can see how it would appear snobby. I was just showing I read his post, I wasn't diss'n anyone. > Consulting is consulting. Your fooling your resume if you think > the size of the customers you work with means anything. I used to be a consultant. Sorry but I some what disagree with your view. Having major companies listed on your resume does open doors in a lot of cases. Experience talks though, any experience. >Oh, and I'm just > curious, since I recall the first PC I bought in '82 was an Atari 800,just > exactly what PC technologies were you 'working with' then? I think I > remember a Radio Shack TRS80 or something like that, oh an that IBM thing > running DOS we used in college in '84 to crash the mainframes in our labs:) >I know for sure I got these in the early 80's, don't remember the exact dates. Apple II in '82 (used), Atari 800 '83 (new). Timex Sinclair ('83 used). I still have my PCjr ('84 used). These are all PC's I believe. Oh, had a Commodore PET too can't remember when I got that one. I still have my Atari's and Timex Sinclairs. > Don't laugh, that Atari got me my first programming job :) > Cool, 6502 assembly and BASIC was fun. Remember Antic magazine? I lived for the next issue. > Seriously, if you consider what's going on today, and I consult on PCs as > much as the next guy, anything we used older than 3-4 years ago islandfill > now; an experience long gone by in comparison to today's technology...2.0 > Ghz CPUs will be under $500 by xmas, 100Gb drives under $300, all that > memory for less that what a decent mouse costs, and my trusty Win98SE oem > for 90 bucks. > I agree with your XP comments. The have a beefed up registration process and Media Player limits file distribution (easy don't use it). One thing, don't expect to run XP HOME in larger offices (with domains). MS will probably drop the price if they're not moving enough units. I tried XP HOME this weekend, I'm moving the PRO this week. I'm returning XP HOME ASAP.

This first section is not in response to you but I'm not going to respond to everybody's thread individually. This first section will cover it all. I see other posts in this thread that say that XP is barely different than ME but they are soo inaccurate. I think some folks don't really know what they are talking about. I say that based on what they are posting. There is a HUGE difference between XP Home and ME. The XP OS is true 32 bit, not mix and match, which is one of if not the most important reason it makes the OS TONS more stable than 98 or ME. Read any major magazine, from PC Magazine to PCGamer, XP Home is the best home operating system available. PCGamer benchmarked XP vs Me. XP out of the box beats Me with all its patches in every benchmark. In the 3dmark 2001, Quake3 Arena, and in MDK2 benchmarks that they test sytems with, it outperforms ME. PCGamer recommends keeping 98SE, note they recommend 98SE not ME, only if older apps will not run in the 32 bit environment. The games that don't perform well are due to that mixed mode OS that was on the market for several years. When those apps are optimized for 32 bit use, they will fly. XP is a resource hog?? XP is the first home OS to ever take full advantage of more than 192 MB of RAM. Win 98 and ME always would tailor off in performance gains after reaching that threshold. Secondly, I see that people say that there are processes running that wouldn't run in 98. Most of those processes running, the ones you see in Task Manager under user names "system" and "local service", have always been there in 98 and Me. Yep! That's right! The ones that show under your user name are the ones you would had seen in 98 and Me's OS. Most of the others were hidden. Do you think those OS's ran with explorer and systray controlling the whole works?? Those programs were not in charge of everything! Just because those processes show now does not mean they are hogging resources. The rest of the processes that are running in that list that were not in 98 and ME are there to provide better information to the user about hardware issues, better system stability, and allow for a true audit system of system messages. Now if there's an error, it doesn't get lost forever: it is available in Event Viewer and you don't always have to reboot to fix the problem. The print spooler can fail, for example, that in 98 or Me would require a reboot to fix. Not any more, just stop and restart the spooler service in the Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Services program. Plus, any of these can be disabled for gaming through the same services program and they can be disabled forever if that is what you wish. And you don't have to guess what these things are doing based on a path and name of the exe file like in 98 and ME's msconfig program. The Services program gives a description of each service's function. BTW folks, the operating system on a PC is not meant for just gaming. If you truly want that, get a console. There has never been an OS dedicated to gaming, ever. XP takes advantage of resources better than any other consumer Microsoft OS ever, while giving the user the say in what goes on in the background. Xp's version of Windows Explorer has the ability to burn data cd's. You can also create, expand zip files and open and view the individual files in them without an external program being necessary, a software firewall option, etc. It also has many wizards for novice to do tasks that were before very difficult, such as user accounts (formerly profiles), and internet connection sharing, the help section is actually useful now and its interface has been streamlined. It is also very easy to get up and running. To quote PC Gamer's story, it is the "first version of Windows that our grandmothers could install and use without cursing at the computer every two seconds." These are the reasons why it is outperforming ME in benchmarks, and is being recommended to anyone that doesn't run apps that won't run in a 32 bit environment. Even then a dual boot configuration is recommended by PcGamer for those older apps, not returning XP. XP Home is definitely the way to go for a home user. Now, on the business side, as I said before, Win ME screwed over not only hardware producers (having to write new drivers just because of ME), software developers(the same reason as hardware), and software resellers (because it made the software look inferior when it was not). As far as your response to my post, it seems to me you didnt read that post of mine closely, the problems we have with Me has nothing to do with our software. It's not even our software, it is the software we resale, as I said in the post. This software company has over 25,000 resellers worldwide. This software, furthermore, was written in early 2000, not an older application mind you. I think you just skimmed my post. The main points of the post are that the same software works in all OS's, including the new Windows XP, without what had to be done to get it to keep window focus. just in Windows ME. This is not to mention programs and development tools, some of which were shareware products, that would not launch the same way in ME, as they would in 95,98, 98SE, 2000 family and now even in XP. When you add in the time to put it on at the sites, explain why it was needed in the first place, and then add in the need to manage another OS's drivers and new bugs, it made it a complete waste. The other main point that you did not get out of my post, is that after November, those updates to ME will stop, unless it is a major issue, and when they buy a new Operating System, most must buy XP Professional. Please re-read that section. And no, not all small companies can afford or justify spending $200 to upgrade only a year later. Not every company has an unlimited budget. In smaller businesses, the PC's are not the most impotant thing money-wise in their budget. There is a weaker economy now than in the past. That's reality. If they are on a domain, they are screwed as well now because XP Home will not join a domain. Are they telling people of that limitation? Nope. You either have to dig around microsoft.com or the internet, or you have to go to a Microsoft Technet session. And they buy it dumbly and expect it to work? Yes, smaller family owned companies make those decisions on their own and only get your help after something doesn't work. That is also reality. Now, they will have no choice whatsoever in the matter. They must buy XP Professional. Why must they? Because Win98 and ME will no longer be available, they have to have some kind of OS and you can't buy an upgrade to XP Professional on a new PC. Since most local stores and chains only come preinstalled with the home versions of the software, they must buy it from someone that can put XP Professional on it. No more going out to the local store to buy a computer. Plain and simple, small businesses get screwed. I'm very happy for you that you had no problems with ME and it actually worked better than 98SE. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. If it ain't broke, then don't fix it. That just never happened it any situation we have faced or seen comments on, from home users to workgroup LANs to domain controlled environments, and to us, that made Windows Me a waste. I'm not going to debate this further either. People can take what I've said in these posts and get what they want out of it. If they don't agree, then fine. That is their right. Regards, Phillip "Drag0n" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IovD7.49725$[email hidden]... <snip> for space

Heck I'm still on Win 95!!! Thats what came on my system and i never saw any reason to change. Everything (almost) works fine. DX8 screwed up my system but I went back to DX7 and its fine. Im going with the same "if it aint broke dont fix it" adage. Cause hey...its true. Chris "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I don't have ANY interest in XP, or win2K, or ME. I'm still on 98se, too. > Works fine on everything I run... I haven't even got that far! I'm still on 98 1st ed. I've got a 98SE CD, ready to install when the first edition throws a shoe, but it's working fine, and I'm a definate believer in the "if it aint broke, don't fix it" adage. R .

> dates. > Apple II in '82 (used), Atari 800 '83 (new). Timex Sinclair ('83 used).I > still have my PCjr ('84 used). These are all PC's I believe. > Oh, had a Commodore PET too can't remember when I got that one. I still > have my Atari's and Timex Sinclairs. >Well at least atari was more like a mac, ROM OS and so on.....

Well MS won't be fixin' it after Dec. 31st 2001. Might want to keep your eye out for a 98Se copy cheap.

"Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:l4KD7.143212$[email hidden]... I believe I read your posts OK. First it's ... "it caused Windows versions of OUR accounting software we resale to lose focus" Now its ... "It's not even our software, it is the software we resale, as I said in the post." Maybe you should have written it as versions of THE accounting software ... ".. after November, those updates to ME will stop, unless it is a major issue, and when they buy a new Operating System, most must buy XP Professional." Where did you get this information? Please share. As far as I'm know, ME is not being dropped in November, unlike 95 in December. You're also not forced to buy an operating system on your PC, at least in my experience. What if you wanted LINUX? Your certainly not forced to buy XP Pro, 2000's still around. "No more going out to the local store to buy a computer. Plain and simple, small businesses get screwed." So you're saying the local store can't install XP Pro? Man, I wouldn't want to buy from them if they couldn't, XP is so easy to install.

Yes they were fun in their day. Atari was my fav.

In article <l4KD7.143212$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > This first section is not in response to you but I'm not going to > respond to everybody's thread individually. This first section will cover it > all. I see other posts in this thread that say that XP is barely different > than ME but they are soo inaccurate. The difference between Me and XP is huge! -- "Trying is the first step towards failure" Homer Simpson

> > ".. after November, those updates to ME will stop, unless it > is a major issue, and when they buy a new Operating System, most must buyXP > Professional." > > Where did you get this information? Please share. > As far as I'm know, ME is not being dropped in November, unlike 95 inDecember. Microsoft Technet session in early October. > You're also not forced to buy an operating system on your PC, at least inmy experience. What if > you wanted LINUX? > Your certainly not forced to buy XP Pro, 2000's still around. When you go to a store and buy a PC you are. There's not a major PC supplier out there that does not bundle the OS in the deal. Companies like Gateway, Dell, Compaq, HP. That's who the average small businesses buy from. They come bundled with an OS, dont they? You pay for it. Now what happens when you find out your OS wont connect to the domain??? You are screwed! You cant return it, you must then buy a full version of XP Professional. You cannot upgrade from XP Home. You must format the Pc, and do a complete reinstall, a complete waste of time and money for them. Or, they have to pay someone to come in and do it Either way, you get bent over. This is the way you are forced to do so. Linux is not a viable solution for any business except for one that has a technically savvy user group. And btw, 2000 Prof is the same price. Why the heck would you even want 2000 Prof when XP Prof is available? > > "No more going out to the local store to buy a computer. Plain and simple, > small businesses get screwed." > > So you're saying the local store can't install XP Pro? Man, I wouldn'twant to buy from them if > they couldn't, XP is so easy to install. > Like I said above.

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> > > > ".. after November, those updates to ME will stop, unless it > > is a major issue, and when they buy a new Operating System, most must buy > XP > > Professional." > > > > Where did you get this information? Please share. > > As far as I'm know, ME is not being dropped in November, unlike 95 in > December. > > Microsoft Technet session in early October. >

OK, I'll qualify this with our rep.. Till then it's hear-say! :-) > > You're also not forced to buy an operating system on your PC, at least in > my experience. What if > > you wanted LINUX? > > Your certainly not forced to buy XP Pro, 2000's still around. > > When you go to a store and buy a PC you are. No you're not. I've never been forced to buy an OS with ANY Modern PC I've bought. I like home built. Now work likes Compaq/Toshiba, that's another story. > There's not a major PC supplier > out there that does not bundle the OS in the deal. Companies like Gateway, > Dell, Compaq, HP. That's who the average small businesses buy from. They > come bundled with an OS, dont they? Certainly this is a different story. > You pay for it. Now what happens when > you find out your OS wont connect to the domain??? You are screwed! You cant > return it, you must then buy a full version of XP Professional. You cannot > upgrade from XP Home. You're making a big assumption, the assumption that it'll come with XP He only. The last laptop I bought, you had a choice at boot up. You picked either Windows 98 or Windows 2000 and the system installed it. No technicians involved. I picked 2000 of course. I suspect you'll get similar options with XP, although you'll probably pay more for the ones that allow to to select XP Pro. >You must format the Pc, and do a complete reinstall, a > complete waste of time and money for them. Or, they have to pay someone to > come in and do it Either way, you get bent over. This is the way you are > forced to do so. See above. > Linux is not a viable solution for any business except for > one that has a technically savvy user group. And btw, 2000 Prof is the same > price. Why the heck would you even want 2000 Prof when XP Prof is available? > LINUX may soon be. www.lindows.com for example. Why the heck, well that's my answer "why the heck". Maybe you like the GUI, maybe you have an obscure piece of hardware that only works on 2000 as it was custom built for it. Maybe your company hasn't OK'ed XP as the 'corporate standard', a whole bunch of reasons. Not saying I'd pick that option give the choice between it and XP, others might though.

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> > "No more going out to the local store to buy a computer. Plain and simple, > > small businesses get screwed." > > > > So you're saying the local store can't install XP Pro? Man, I wouldn't > want to buy from them if > > they couldn't, XP is so easy to install. > > > > Like I said above. >

That's not my experience. Most stores I frequent have the skills to install XP Pro if asked. I can see maybe at a chain store, like Costco or something where they might not. For my personal shopping, I like the small corners in the wall kinda stores, smaller stores, stores with people that I can get to know on a first name basis. Compaq and others will also build systems to your wishes too, costs a bit more though. You can send them a Ghost image and they arrive exactly the way you want, even with your applications all preinstalled.

Re: Dual boot upgrade - if I buy the Win XP Home upgrade box to upgrade from Win ME, is dual boot an option or do I need to install some kind of partition manager first? I'm afraid my DSL setup and home network (SyGate) won't work under XP. Thanks > Even then a dual boot configuration is recommended by > PcGamer for those older apps, not returning XP. XP Home is definitely the > way to go for a home user. >

"Geoff Waters" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Re: Dual boot upgrade - if I buy the Win XP Home upgrade box to upgradefrom Win > ME, is dual boot an option or do I need to install some kind of partition > manager first? I'm not dual booting with XP, but I did read some info on it yesterday, if you are going to dual boot then install WinME first and just install XP to a seperate partion or harddrive afterwards and it will take care of the rest. You can only use the XP boot manager for Win9X/NT/2000 and not for OS like Linux/BeoS etc. You can install to the same partition, but you increase your chance of problems greatly so just make another partion, XP will come up with a partiton manager allowing you to create/destroy partions and format in FAT, FAT32 or NTFS. > I'm afraid my DSL setup and home network (SyGate) won't work under XP. XP should support your DSL, and it comes with it's own networking capabilites anyway.

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> "Geoff Waters" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Re: Dual boot upgrade - if I buy the Win XP Home upgrade box to upgrade > from Win > > ME, is dual boot an option or do I need to install some kind of partition > > manager first? > > I'm not dual booting with XP, but I did read some info on it yesterday, if > you are going to dual boot then install WinME first and just install XP to a > seperate partion or harddrive afterwards and it will take care of the rest. > You can only use the XP boot manager for Win9X/NT/2000 and not for OS like > Linux/BeoS etc.

I don't know how the boot manager for XP works, but here at work I have a multiboot system with WinME, Win2000 and Red Hat Linux 7.1 and everything works from the Win2000 boot manager. You just have do some funny lilo tinkering, which is fun :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

I've been using XP in various forms for 4 months. I currently run the Home release version. Don't let the word "Pro" coerce your decision. If you aren't running NT Domains at home, there's not much to miss. Save the $100. Activation is no problem, unless you wanna cheat :) The phsycological effect of Microsoft having a leash stuck up yer butt is a bit harder to overcome... It is very, very stable as long as you follow the rules. Supported hardware and drivers and software. It's far better for gaming than either 98, ME (yuk) or Windows 2000. Compatibility with games is far better than with Win2K. This is my system (home-built, of course), and I have ZERO issues with anything: ABIT KG7 (non-RAID) Motherboard. Antec PP-352x 350w Power Supply. VisionTek GeForce 3 Ti500. AMD AthlonXP 1800+. 512MB Crucial PC2100 DDR CAS2.5. Maxtor D740X 80GB ATA/133 Drive. Turtle Beach Santa Cruz (folks, this is THE sound card for use under Windows XP). Intel In-Business 10/100 NIC. Klipsch ProMedia 5.1 Speakers. Mitsubishi DiamondPro 2060u 22" monitor. Dymo LabelWriter 330 Turbo Label Printer. HP LaserJet 6L. Epson Stylus Color 800. Epson Stylus Photo 1270. Logitech Cordless Freedom Pro Keyboard/Optical Mouse. TDK 16/10/24 CDRW. Pioneer DVD-113 DVD Drive. Logitech Momo Wheel. Logitech Rumblepad. Logitech Force Feedback Joystick. As far as software goes: Office XP. Visio 2002. DriveImage 5 PartitionMagic 7 FileMaker Pro 5 (seems ok, but not heavily tested yet). FileMaker Pro 5 Developer (seems ok, but not heavily tested yet. Winzip 8. Plus! XP (yeah, yeah. I feel screwed too). Connectix Virtual PC 4.2. Quicken 2002. DVD Profiler. Nascar Racing 4 Grand Prix Legends. Max Payne. blah, blah, blah... I haven't gotten around to installing a lot of games yet, but so far so good. The only game that is causing me grief is EA F1-2001. I'm not suprised, though... It just don't feel 'right'. With the exception of F1-2001, I can really, truly honestly say that this is the best running computer I have EVER had. I have a lot of stuff smooshed into one box, and it has not caused ANY problems whatsoever. It should be noted that I am not into or interested in overclocking. If you are, your mileage may vary... -Larry "Andi Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9rhnmd$eri$[email hidden]... > Now that Win XP is out, is there anyone who thinks it is a good move fromME

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> or '98? > > Especially, is the activation process working and does it offer an > advantages for Racing sims. > > Andi. > > >

Is that Santa Cruz sweet under XP, or what :) -Larry "Dave Ryerson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:51:33 GMT, "Kevin" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I don't have XP yet but my two cents ... I usually give every Win OSabout 6 > >months to a year to "settle in" and let all the OS geeks bash theirbrains

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> >out on it :-) I didn't even try Win ME yet (still have 98). > > You don't want ME either, it's crap. But I happen to like XP. The only > driver I had to install was for my Santa Cruz soundcard, every other > piece of equipment is supported, although I did install newer vid > drivers and VIA drivers. Even my printer (Epson 870) is supported > right in WinXP. Never had such a painless install of Windows yet.

Tim, You really underestimate XP's strengths. I can tell you've never used it. You really should. Much of your post would change... I hate WPA as much as the next person, but since I don't intend on giving my copy out to people, it's not an issue... -Larry "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rhDD7.38755$[email hidden]... > Read an article just yesterday about how few businesses expect to upgradeto > XP, especially large companies, more so because the PCs AND OS they > purchased 2 years ago are still very much productive. Since PC sales are > down in this recessive year for the first time ever, I'd say fans of XPhave

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> their work cut out for them. > > And isn't XP supposed to be incrypted such to prevent 'illegal' > distribution? Sounds more like a 1 billion dollar attempt at theft than > anything else. True, the multimedia and browser enhancments are nice, and > yes, conferencing is now a click away, instead of the phone features our > businesses already have (by the way). Gee wiz, they're some reasons to > scrap the thousands of working OS's already in place. > > MS is betting XP will be the next great leap since Win95, and even paid > Sting to sing a song about it. How cute :) > I'm thinkning Win95 was huge because of the leap from Windows, whereas ME, > XP were more cosmetic than anything else. > > On another note, I take exception to your reference to small business > support. Consulting is consulting. Your fooling your resume if you think > the size of the customers you work with means anything. Oh, and I'm just > curious, since I recall the first PC I bought in '82 was an Atari 800,

just > exactly what PC technologies were you 'working with' then? I think I > remember a Radio Shack TRS80 or something like that, oh an that IBM thing > running DOS we used in college in '84 to crash the mainframes in our labs:) > > Don't laugh, that Atari got me my first programming job :) > > Seriously, if you consider what's going on today, and I consult on PCs as > much as the next guy, anything we used older than 3-4 years ago islandfill

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> now; an experience long gone by in comparison to today's technology...2.0 > Ghz CPUs will be under $500 by xmas, 100Gb drives under $300, all that > memory for less that what a decent mouse costs, and my trusty Win98SE oem > for 90 bucks. > > :) > > > Tim White > INTRAC Motorsports > www.birds-i-view.com/intrac > > > Drag0n <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IovD7.49725$[email hidden]... > > > > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:yHpD7.138891$[email hidden]... > > > First off, this is not a repsonse to get at you. It is not

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> > time on development,etc. Well I don't run your software and I don't > expect > > every piece of software to work on ME. However, not one application at > my > > company has issues with ME, even old DOS FOXPRO applications. Not one > game > > I own refuses to run on it. Even some of the DOS ones work with the

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> up > > to stuff. Another example is XP resource hogging. Look at the large > number > > of services running in the background that aren't needed for gaming. > > > > You mentioned that security updates aren't available for ME, that's not > > true. I've been able to get security updates for this OS for quite some > > time now. > > > > Your main beef seems to be that you've spent a lot of time trying to get > > your software developed to work on ME and it hasn't panned out. I'm > sorry. > > > > I won't get into a big debate on this, like I said IMO it's not a POS. > > > > > > > >

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On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:18:44 -0700, "JJ Sricklin" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Do you run GPL? If so do you get a lot of static, poping etc in GPL? >I have a Santa Cruz using the latest drivers and those are issues with >my card. I have SB Live and get the same problems -- seems that it might be something in the game itself rather than the card you happen to have.

Yes I beginning to think that also. It sounds go with all my other sims N4 , DTM Heat etc. I also reinstalled GPL and just installed the patchs needed, and the problem still exists. Maybe its the way the DirectX patch works anyway that is what drove me to DTM for road racing. "The Black Cat =^..^=" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:18:44 -0700, "JJ Sricklin" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Do you run GPL? If so do you get a lot of static, poping etc in GPL? > >I have a Santa Cruz using the latest drivers and those are issues with > >my card. > > I have SB Live and get the same problems -- seems that it might be > something in the game itself rather than the card you happen to have.

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ox0G7.109577$%[email hidden]... > It is very, very stable as long as you follow the rules. Supportedhardware > and drivers and software. Heh...I had a crash in a game and it was caused by the *supported* 21.83 Nvidia XP drivers. I've gone back to the unsupported Win2K drivers, plus with these drivers I can see the cars in the mirrors in F12001.

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ly0G7.109578$%[email hidden]... > Is that Santa Cruz sweet under XP, or what :) Yes, XP. I see there are some new beta drivers around for the SC under XP. Sometimes the sound drops out in games under XP and you need to force another sound to get it back. I don't see why MS gave these drivers certification when they still have a problem. But, overall they work pretty good. Think I'll give those beta drivers a go.

"The Black Cat =^..^=" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:18:44 -0700, "JJ Sricklin" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > I have SB Live and get the same problems -- seems that it might be > something in the game itself rather than the card you happen to have. I think it supposed to sound that way. Loud and dirty. It's been that way on every soundcard I've had since the game came out.

The static creates a sudden and very, very brief framerate hit so I really don't think it suppose to sound like that. Its pretty strange it happens also with the games default sounds. "STP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b8bG7.965$[email hidden]...

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> > "The Black Cat =^..^=" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:18:44 -0700, "JJ Sricklin" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > I have SB Live and get the same problems -- seems that it might be > > something in the game itself rather than the card you happen to have. > > I think it supposed to sound that way. Loud and dirty. It's been that way

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"JJ Sricklin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OpgG7.346$[email hidden]... > The static creates a sudden and very, very brief framerate hit so I really > don't think it suppose to sound like that. Its pretty strange it happens > also with the games default sounds. I haven't installed it on XP yet so will later today and see how it is. I have a Santa Cruz card and some games under XP drop the sound out on occasion until I force a new sound to play. Should be new drivers soon. One thing you can try is to turn the sound hardware acceleration down a notch under your multimedia properties.

Interesting... I've had absolutely ZERO problems with the TBSC card under XP with the official, release XP drivers. In fact, the TBSC has been the best sounding, most trouble-free sound card I've owned in 22 years of computing. I also have a Hercules Game Theater XP card/breakout box. I originally had to remove it due to Hercules inability to get it working under XP. They have _finally_ released XP drivers for it. I still haven't removed the TBSC because it's been simply perfect, and has 95% of the features of the GTXP at half the cost. It sounds just as good, which is not a suprise since they are based on the same reference chipset and drivers. I wonder if maybe there isn't something on your system conflicting with the TBSC or drivers? -Larry "STP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%bvG7.1478$[email hidden]... > > "JJ Sricklin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:OpgG7.346$[email hidden]... > > The static creates a sudden and very, very brief framerate hit so Ireally > > don't think it suppose to sound like that. Its pretty strange it happens > > also with the games default sounds. > > I haven't installed it on XP yet so will later today and see how it is. I > have a Santa Cruz card and some games under XP drop the sound out on > occasion until I force a new sound to play. Should be new drivers soon.One > thing you can try is to turn the sound hardware acceleration down a notch > under your multimedia properties. > >

Dual booting works perfectly with XP, and is incredibly easy to do. Just fire it up and make sure you don't choose to upgrade your existins OS (which is the default). It will do a scan, then prompt you for a location to install. I recommend choosing D, but you can also use another drive. When it's all said and done, you will have a prompt at the beginning for your choice of OS. It's all built in, and there is no need to use a third party partition program. IMHO, I really recommend dual booting, especially right now when there can be some problems running certain games, because of driver or patch issues. Case in point is my Linksys network card, which still doesn't have a suitable driver under XP. On Sat, 03 Nov 2001 20:47:47 GMT, Geoff Waters <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Re: Dual boot upgrade - if I buy the Win XP Home upgrade box to upgrade from Win >ME, is dual boot an option or do I need to install some kind of partition >manager first? > >I'm afraid my DSL setup and home network (SyGate) won't work under XP. > >Thanks > >> Even then a dual boot configuration is recommended by >> PcGamer for those older apps, not returning XP. XP Home is definitely the >> way to go for a home user. >>

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c8XG7.9054$[email hidden]... > Interesting... I've had absolutely ZERO problems with the TBSC card underXP > with the official, release XP drivers. > > In fact, the TBSC has been the best sounding, most trouble-free sound card > I've owned in 22 years of computing. > > I also have a Hercules Game Theater XP card/breakout box. I originallyhad > to remove it due to Hercules inability to get it working under XP. > > They have _finally_ released XP drivers for it. I still haven't removedthe > TBSC because it's been simply perfect, and has 95% of the features of the > GTXP at half the cost. It sounds just as good, which is not a suprisesince > they are based on the same reference chipset and drivers. > > I wonder if maybe there isn't something on your system conflicting withthe > TBSC or drivers? > > -Larry I've made sure I have no conflicts. This sound drop out happens on just a few games. IL-2 Sturmovik being one, it's just a beta demo too. I'm happy with the card too, just have this one glitch. The XP drivers are better than the Win9x drivers for the SC. On Win9x there are some games that will BSOD if you don't turn off the hardware acceleration when playing those games. Now don't say there must be somthing wrong with my system because this bug is well known to Turtle Beach and has been verified. There are supposd to be new drivers out soon to fix it.