Nascar Heat: what da dilly-o?

I'm just curious, is there something unique about Nascar Heat that causes people to play it instead of Nascar4? I mean, other than the fact of not possibly wanting to purchase another game, why are addons, etc. still being made? I ask, only because I'm curious if I'm missing something good, hehe. If there have been some landmark changes, updates, patches, addons, etc. since the first of this year, could someone kindly let me know what they are, or please provide me with a url to the action? Thanks in advance

Nascar Heat is not that bad...in fact...with the exception of N4 it is the best online racing available. The AI behave somewhat now...and the real reason is...after the 3rd patch, you can load up any number of mods that run transparently in NH. So you can run many of the cars from the Le Mans series, or the IRL cars, or 70's Nascar Winged cars, or super modified oval racers, or pickups or or or or... The BIG mode for road racers is the DTM(German Touring Cars) V8 powered rear drive Sedans by Mercedes, Opal, & Alfa Romeo's. The framework of Heat is very conducive to making physic changes so the DTM cars drive way differently than the big lumbering Winston Cup cars. Keep in Mind, this kind of flexibility is NOT possible with the Papyrus sims. N4 is clearly superior in driving/racing aspects, but it just can't match the sheer number of additions you get with NH. Buy one sim..get a dozen more free. There are currently about 7 add-on road courses with a few more in the works. dave henrie "Jimmy Sparks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cH1F7.1068618$[email hidden]... > I'm just curious, is there something unique about Nascar Heat that causes > people to play it instead of Nascar4? I mean, other than the fact of not > possibly wanting to purchase another game, why are addons, etc. stillbeing > made? I ask, only because I'm curious if I'm missing something good,hehe.

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> > If there have been some landmark changes, updates, patches, addons, etc. > since the first of this year, could someone kindly let me know what they > are, or please provide me with a url to the action? > > Thanks in advance > >

"The following is IMO" :) Actually, in terms of stock car racing, more people are playing N4. Heat's mods are it's main calling card now, and for good reason; they're incredible. In terms of the stock car racing aspect, Heat is better in some areas than N4, and much worse in others. It has a much better stock car "feel"; you can sense the mass involved. N4 can be like driving a hovercraft :) Heat has better graphics, including track. Unfortunately, Heat's online aspect is basically non-existent for anything other than short sprints for various reasons, the main one being there are no yellow flags possible. It's AI racing is the same; AI cars rarely, if ever, cause a caution. There are cautions at times, but review will almost always show nothing physically caused them, just a code trip........and they consistently occur around the pit windows for the AI cars :) Heat simulates a single stock car better, but N4 simulates a stock car race better. Having said that, I rarely race AI, and haven't run Heat in months. -John Jimmy Sparks <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cH1F7.1068618$[email hidden]... > I'm just curious, is there something unique about Nascar Heat that causes > people to play it instead of Nascar4? I mean, other than the fact of not > possibly wanting to purchase another game, why are addons, etc. stillbeing > made? I ask, only because I'm curious if I'm missing something good,hehe.

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> > If there have been some landmark changes, updates, patches, addons, etc. > since the first of this year, could someone kindly let me know what they > are, or please provide me with a url to the action? > > Thanks in advance > >

The way to choose between Heat and N4 all depends on the way you play your games. If you are a offline player then go for Heat as the AI is much better. On the other hand if you are into online racing then N4 is the way to go do to Heats lack of yellows. The latest patch has seemed to helped the AI in N4, but I still think Heat's is better. The Craftsman Truck add-on is killer for offline play. MadDAWG

In article <3be68110$[email hidden]>, "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> writes: >The way to choose between Heat and N4 all depends on the way you play your >games. If you are a offline player then go for Heat as the AI is much >better. On the other hand if you are into online racing then N4 is the way >to go do to Heats lack of yellows. The latest patch has seemed to helped the >AI in N4, but I still think Heat's is better. The Craftsman Truck add-on is >killer for offline play. How many N4 online 'open' races run with yellows...? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

writes: How many N4 online 'open' races run with yellows...? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

True, but the lack of Heat yellows pertains to league play, not really the Sierra pickup wreckfests :) To be honest, if Heat had online yellows that worked(the offline ones don't either actually), and possibility of having longer races than a few percent length, I'd be playing it over N4 online. One thing they both have in common; the damage model stinks for both :) -John EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <3be68110$[email hidden]>, "MadDAWG"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >The way to choose between Heat and N4 all depends on the way you playyour > >games. If you are a offline player then go for Heat as the AI is much > >better. On the other hand if you are into online racing then N4 is theway > >to go do to Heats lack of yellows. The latest patch has seemed to helpedthe > >AI in N4, but I still think Heat's is better. The Craftsman Truck add-onis

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> >killer for offline play. > > How many N4 online 'open' races run with yellows...? > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> How many N4 online 'open' races run with yellows...? > > Eldred uuummmm.........none, but then I really don't play N4 or Heat that much. I think its more of my dwindling interest in NASCAR than anything. I'm a short track guy and all these damn 1.5 mile tri/quad ovals just have killed it for me. MadDAWG

No kidding; those cookie cutters are ridiculous. -John MadDAWG <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3be6d932$[email hidden]...

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> > How many N4 online 'open' races run with yellows...? > > > > Eldred > > > uuummmm.........none, but then I really don't play N4 or Heat that much. I > think its more of my dwindling interest in NASCAR than anything. I'm a

short > track guy and all these damn 1.5 mile tri/quad ovals just have killed itfor > me. > > MadDAWG > >

In article <3be6d932$[email hidden]>, "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> How many N4 online 'open' races run with yellows...? >> >> Eldred > > >uuummmm.........none, but then I really don't play N4 or Heat that much. I >think its more of my dwindling interest in NASCAR than anything. I'm a short >track guy and all these damn 1.5 mile tri/quad ovals just have killed it for >me.

So you prefer Martinsville or NHIS over Charlotte or Texas? I like them all - I don't think I favor one over the other. I'd want a LOT more practice at either before I venture online. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I like Texas, but I'm not fond of Lowes. Actually all the tracks I really liked never made it past N3: Nashville (not the new one), I-70, Portland oval, Evergreen, etc. Can you tell I like short tracks? :) As far as N4 goes I'm not really sure what tracks I like. I'm just getting back into N4. I put it on the shelf after the wall riding "fix" of the 1.1 patch. I use to do ok at Phoenix before the patch, but now I can't get through the dog leg to save my ass. Oh well I never claimed to be any good. :) MadDAWG

In article <[email hidden]>, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> writes: > True, but the lack of Heat yellows pertains to league play, not really the >Sierra pickup wreckfests :) To be honest, if Heat had online yellows that >worked(the offline ones don't either actually), and possibility of having >longer races than a few percent length, I'd be playing it over N4 online. > > One thing they both have in common; the damage model stinks for both :) I haven't ventured online for NH, and very LITTLE for N4. I still had a dial-up until just recently. So I honestly can't speak for the damage model. For some reason, neither Nascar title grabs me like N2 and N3 did. Maybe I'll try it next weekend. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <3be7d422$[email hidden]>, "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I like Texas, but I'm not fond of Lowes. Actually all the tracks I really >liked never made it past N3: Nashville (not the new one), I-70, Portland >oval, Evergreen, etc. Can you tell I like short tracks? :) As far as N4 >goes I'm not really sure what tracks I like. I'm just getting back into N4. >I put it on the shelf after the wall riding "fix" of the 1.1 patch. I use to >do ok at Phoenix before the patch, but now I can't get through the dog leg >to save my ass. Oh well I never claimed to be any good. :) >

I don't remember hearing of those tracks. When did they stop being used? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The last WC race at Nashville was '83 IIRC. IMO, it is THE perfect stock car track. It was had banking steeper than Bristol, lol. Many of past and present drivers cut their teeth on it. -John EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <3be7d422$[email hidden]>, "MadDAWG"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >I like Texas, but I'm not fond of Lowes. Actually all the tracks I really > >liked never made it past N3: Nashville (not the new one), I-70, Portland > >oval, Evergreen, etc. Can you tell I like short tracks? :) As far as N4 > >goes I'm not really sure what tracks I like. I'm just getting back intoN4. > >I put it on the shelf after the wall riding "fix" of the 1.1 patch. I useto > >do ok at Phoenix before the patch, but now I can't get through the dogleg

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> >to save my ass. Oh well I never claimed to be any good. :) > > > > I don't remember hearing of those tracks. When did they stop being used? > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Forgot to add; the steep banking lasted a _very_ short time, in the 60's I think :) -John John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3be86879$[email hidden]... > The last WC race at Nashville was '83 IIRC. IMO, it is THE perfectstock

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> car track. It was had banking steeper than Bristol, lol. > Many of past and present drivers cut their teeth on it. > > -John > > > EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <3be7d422$[email hidden]>, "MadDAWG" > <[email hidden]> > > writes: > > > > >I like Texas, but I'm not fond of Lowes. Actually all the tracks I

really > > >liked never made it past N3: Nashville (not the new one), I-70,Portland > > >oval, Evergreen, etc. Can you tell I like short tracks? :) As far asN4 > > >goes I'm not really sure what tracks I like. I'm just getting back into > N4. > > >I put it on the shelf after the wall riding "fix" of the 1.1 patch. Iuse

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> to > > >do ok at Phoenix before the patch, but now I can't get through the dog > leg > > >to save my ass. Oh well I never claimed to be any good. :) > > > > > > > I don't remember hearing of those tracks. When did they stop being

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> > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >