CART Loses Penske

Penske is killing his CART operation and moving over to the IRL next season..... As I said earlier.... CART is dieing a slow painful death. CW

Cowen Wilson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Penske is killing his CART operation and moving over to the IRL next > season..... > Marlboro is forcing the change, bu-bye roger. > As I said earlier.... CART is dieing a slow painful death. > No, CART will be fine. > CW > >

Marlboro is forcing the change, bu-bye roger. No, CART will be fine.

Hehe Penske and AJ reunited again :-) who'd have thought it ...how long is it now ...5 years ago? jv "rik zeppelin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b_wF7.25515$[email hidden]...

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> > Cowen Wilson <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Penske is killing his CART operation and moving over to the IRL next > > season..... > > > > Marlboro is forcing the change, bu-bye roger. > > > As I said earlier.... CART is dieing a slow painful death. > > > > No, CART will be fine. > > > CW > > > > > >

> > No, CART will be fine. >You keep saying that, and honestly I hope your right because they offer about the best "racing" out there right now, but as you said to somebody else: Where do you get your evidence?

"Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > No, CART will be fine. > > > You keep saying that, and honestly I hope your right because they offer > about the best "racing" out there right now, but as you said to somebody > else: Where do you get your evidence? Evidence or no evidence. The point is that I don't see the point in running around saying CART is dead, CART is dead. Yes, there are huge problems, but someone needs to keep a positive side to it. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

> Evidence or no evidence. The point is that I don't see the point in > running around saying CART is dead, CART is dead. Yes, there are huge > problems, but someone needs to keep a positive side to it. Yes the Titanic has a wonderful band. How's that?

Art McEwen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9s6qu2$48a$[email hidden]... > > Evidence or no evidence. The point is that I don't see the point in > > running around saying CART is dead, CART is dead. Yes, there are huge > > problems, but someone needs to keep a positive side to it. > > Yes the Titanic has a wonderful band. How's that? >Champweb.net has announced that FedEx just signed a 3 year extension to sponsor CART. Seems the "CART is dead" crowd has their head in the wrong place.

rik zeppelin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:unCF7.6253$[email hidden]...

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> > Art McEwen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9s6qu2$48a$[email hidden]... > > > Evidence or no evidence. The point is that I don't see the point in > > > running around saying CART is dead, CART is dead. Yes, there are huge > > > problems, but someone needs to keep a positive side to it. > > > > Yes the Titanic has a wonderful band. How's that? > > > Champweb.net has announced that FedEx just signed a 3 year extension to > sponsor CART. > Seems the "CART is dead" crowd has their head in the wrong place. >

AR1 is reporting that SimpleGreen has signed for at leat 2 more years with CART and may sponsor a driver next season. CART is obviously alive and kicking, seems the "cart is dead" crowd has their head in the wrong place.

rik zeppelin <[email hidden]> wrote on 05 Nov 2001: > Marlboro is forcing the change, bu-bye roger.<snip> SO will they be back after 2006? -- Sceptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep insights can be winnowed from deep nonsense -- Carl Sagan The GPL Scrapyard returns (slowly): http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

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> rik zeppelin <[email hidden]> wrote on 05 Nov 2001: > > > Marlboro is forcing the change, bu-bye roger. > <snip> > > SO will they be back after 2006? >

Penske? dunno. Marlboro- completely out of all sports advertising in 2006. bu-bye cancer sticks.

There is no positive sign to it.. Not only is CART shooting itself in the foot with bad management but it is also slowly losing the owner base that made the company what it is. They are also under financial investigation by the SEC and are probably heading for bankruptcy. CW "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > No, CART will be fine. > > > > > You keep saying that, and honestly I hope your right because they offer > > about the best "racing" out there right now, but as you said to somebody > > else: Where do you get your evidence? > > Evidence or no evidence. The point is that I don't see the point in > running around saying CART is dead, CART is dead. Yes, there are huge > problems, but someone needs to keep a positive side to it. > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

Cowen Wilson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3be74786$[email hidden]... > There is no positive sign to it.. Not only is CART shooting itself in the > foot with bad management but it is also slowly losing the owner base that > made the company what it is. They are also under financial investigationby > the SEC and are probably heading for bankruptcy. > > CW I do not know how they would be heading to bankruptcy with the amount of cash they currently have on the books. Infact since a lot of their income is from interest, I would say they would be hostely taken over by a company that wanted to strip the cash before they go bankrupt. Dave

CART is not under investigation by the SEC. Cowen Wilson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3be74786$[email hidden]... > There is no positive sign to it.. Not only is CART shooting itself in the > foot with bad management but it is also slowly losing the owner base that > made the company what it is. They are also under financial investigationby

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> the SEC and are probably heading for bankruptcy. > > CW > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > > > > No, CART will be fine. > > > > > > > You keep saying that, and honestly I hope your right because they

offer > > > about the best "racing" out there right now, but as you said tosomebody

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> > > else: Where do you get your evidence? > > > > Evidence or no evidence. The point is that I don't see the point in > > running around saying CART is dead, CART is dead. Yes, there are huge > > problems, but someone needs to keep a positive side to it. > > > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove .spam when replying > >

I guess it's time to quit smoking Marlboros... "Cowen Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Penske is killing his CART operation and moving over to the IRL next > season..... > > As I said earlier.... CART is dieing a slow painful death. > > CW > >

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:11:26 -0500, "Cowen Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote: >There is no positive sign to it.. Not only is CART shooting itself in the >foot with bad management but it is also slowly losing the owner base that >made the company what it is. They are also under financial investigation by >the SEC and are probably heading for bankruptcy. The SEC investigation is actually a smoke screen being used to get more bargaining power over CART. Nothing in it actually. Rafe Mc

In article <_NCF7.6260$[email hidden]>, "rik zeppelin" <[email hidden]> writes: >Marlboro- completely out of all sports advertising in 2006. >bu-bye cancer sticks. Good riddance. Filthy habit anyway, IMO... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <_NCF7.6260$[email hidden]>, "rik zeppelin" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Marlboro- completely out of all sports advertising in 2006. > >bu-bye cancer sticks. > > Good riddance. Filthy habit anyway, IMO... >

They obviously need to advertise to people who are dumb enough to start smoking. Guess that explains the switch!

"don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> writes: > I guess it's time to quit smoking Marlboros... Yup, quit smoking Marlboros and any other brand a few weeks ago. It's a tough fight, but it looks like I'm winning :)

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> > "Cowen Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Penske is killing his CART operation and moving over to the IRL next > > season..... > > > > As I said earlier.... CART is dieing a slow painful death. > > > > CW > > > > > >

-- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > I guess it's time to quit smoking Marlboros... > > Yup, quit smoking Marlboros and any other brand a few weeks ago. It's > a tough fight, but it looks like I'm winning :) >

Congrats to you my friend!!

"Olav K. Malmin" wrote:

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> > "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > I guess it's time to quit smoking Marlboros... > > Yup, quit smoking Marlboros and any other brand a few weeks ago. It's > a tough fight, but it looks like I'm winning :)

You go Olav !!!! I quit myself back in 87, the day I was discharged from the Navy in fact, and part from the odd Cigar at special occasions, I've been smoke free since, still get the urge for one every so often though, especially after lunch.....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Let's try this again, kids - there is *NO SEC INVESTIGATION*. Jon Vannini simply filed a required form with the SEC when he bought more stock, and expressed the desire to have a "racing guy" at the top and all of the team owners off the Delaware Board. CART is *far* from going bankrupt - they have between $100 and $200 million in cash. While CART may not be particularly healthy right now, that has a lot to do with the war that was fought between Honda and Toyota over the last few years, and the very skewed economics that came out of that war. There will be a retrenchment, but the series will, in the long run, be fine. Rick "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:11:26 -0500, "Cowen Wilson" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >There is no positive sign to it.. Not only is CART shooting itself inthe > >foot with bad management but it is also slowly losing the owner base that > >made the company what it is. They are also under financial investigationby > >the SEC and are probably heading for bankruptcy. > > The SEC investigation is actually a smoke screen being used to get > more bargaining power over CART. Nothing in it actually. > > Rafe Mc

rik zeppelin wrote:

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> > Art McEwen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9s6qu2$48a$[email hidden]... > > > Evidence or no evidence. The point is that I don't see the point in > > > running around saying CART is dead, CART is dead. Yes, there are huge > > > problems, but someone needs to keep a positive side to it. > > > > Yes the Titanic has a wonderful band. How's that? > > > Champweb.net has announced that FedEx just signed a 3 year extension to > sponsor CART. > Seems the "CART is dead" crowd has their head in the wrong place.

CART as a series is still alive with a formula that'll remind many of a modified IRL. The CART series that many knew & loved, however, is dead. -- Fester

"Olav K. Malmin" wrote:

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> > "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > I guess it's time to quit smoking Marlboros... > > Yup, quit smoking Marlboros and any other brand a few weeks ago. It's > a tough fight, but it looks like I'm winning :)

Great job! The smokes *can* be beat. I quit in May of '94 after years of 3+ packs a day. The extra money has come in handy. :-) -- Fester

This is a statement I'll agree with :-( "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > CART as a series is still alive with a formula that'll remind many of a > modified IRL. The CART series that many knew & loved, however, is dead. > > -- > > Fester

Chewed Skoal for 20 years. Next week(the 13th, actually)will be one year tobaccoless:-). I consider chewing to be the harder of the two to quit(not to mention, the more disgusting) with direct assimulation(sp)and roughly 10x's the nicotine of cigarettes per dose. Hey, if I can do it-YOU can do it. Kick it in the ass,,,you'll be thankful for many years to come:-) Good luck bud. Don "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > I guess it's time to quit smoking Marlboros... > > Yup, quit smoking Marlboros and any other brand a few weeks ago. It's > a tough fight, but it looks like I'm winning :) > > > > > "Cowen Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Penske is killing his CART operation and moving over to the IRL next > > > season..... > > > > > > As I said earlier.... CART is dieing a slow painful death. > > > > > > CW > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying >

D_Vitale wrote:

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> > Chewed Skoal for 20 years. Next week(the 13th, actually)will be one year > tobaccoless:-). I consider chewing to be the harder of the two to quit(not > to mention, the more disgusting) with direct assimulation(sp)and roughly > 10x's the nicotine of cigarettes per dose. > > Hey, if I can do it-YOU can do it. Kick it in the ass,,,you'll be thankful > for many years to come:-) Good luck bud. > Don

Explains why turned into a grumpy old man all of a sudden Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes:

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> "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > > > "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > I guess it's time to quit smoking Marlboros... > > > > Yup, quit smoking Marlboros and any other brand a few weeks ago. It's > > a tough fight, but it looks like I'm winning :) > > > Great job! The smokes *can* be beat. I quit in May of '94 after years > of 3+ packs a day. The extra money has come in handy. :-)

Ouch! 3+ a day. I usually used 3 days on one if I were not going to the pub. Thanks for all the encouragment people. I will specially thank Ed Solheim for initial inspiration on the Le Mans bus trip. :) And the extra money can very well be used on a new Radeon or GF3... -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) writes: >> I guess it's time to quit smoking Marlboros... > >Yup, quit smoking Marlboros and any other brand a few weeks ago. It's >a tough fight, but it looks like I'm winning :) WooHOO!!!!! <g> Why anyone would want to inhale that crap in the first place is beyond me... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Good on yer Olav... keep it up! Jan./never smoked myself, but seen enough to know it's real hard to quit. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "Olav K. Malmin" wrote... > > <snip> > Yup, quit smoking Marlboros and any other brand a few weeks > ago. It's a tough fight, but it looks like I'm winning :)

I wouldn't use that as an excuse for me being "old and grumpy". Your reply to my post will do just fine. 38 is old? Hey, I can still pitch a taunt tent most mornings:-) Don "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > D_Vitale wrote: > > > > Chewed Skoal for 20 years. Next week(the 13th, actually)will be oneyear > > tobaccoless:-). I consider chewing to be the harder of the two toquit(not > > to mention, the more disgusting) with direct assimulation(sp)and roughly > > 10x's the nicotine of cigarettes per dose. > > > > Hey, if I can do it-YOU can do it. Kick it in the ass,,,you'll bethankful

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> > for many years to come:-) Good luck bud. > > Don > > Explains why turned into a grumpy old man all of a sudden > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com >

In article <CGJF7.8511$[email hidden]>, rik zeppelin <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <_NCF7.6260$[email hidden]>, "rik zeppelin" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Marlboro- completely out of all sports advertising in 2006. > > >bu-bye cancer sticks. > > > > Good riddance. Filthy habit anyway, IMO... > > > They obviously need to advertise to people who are dumb enough to start > smoking. > Guess that explains the switch!

You mean they are switching to NASCAR? -- UNIX/Perl/C/[email hidden]

In article <m22G7.21721$[email hidden]>, "D_Vitale" <[email hidden]> writes: >38 is old? Hey, I can still pitch a taunt tent most mornings:-) > *Definitely* TMI...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

rik zeppelin wrote: > They obviously need to advertise to people who are dumb enough to start > smoking. > Guess that explains the switch! LOL! Good one.

D_Vitale wrote: > > I wouldn't use that as an excuse for me being "old and grumpy". Your reply > to my post will do just fine. > > 38 is old? Hey, I can still pitch a taunt tent most mornings:-) Yeah, I heard Viagra actually works........ Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

:-) Don "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <m22G7.21721$[email hidden]>, > "D_Vitale" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >38 is old? Hey, I can still pitch a taunt tent most mornings:-) > > > > *Definitely* TMI...<g> > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

Cool thread. The death of CART, Penske leaving, morning wood. I love USENET btgoss "D_Vitale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BreG7.23265$[email hidden]...

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> :-) > Don > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <m22G7.21721$[email hidden]>, > > "D_Vitale" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >38 is old? Hey, I can still pitch a taunt tent most mornings:-) > > > > > > > *Definitely* TMI...<g> > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > >

Does a Leantoo count? dave henrie "btgoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gMfG7.69279$[email hidden]...

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> Cool thread. > The death of CART, Penske leaving, morning wood. > I love USENET > > btgoss > > > "D_Vitale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BreG7.23265$[email hidden]... > > :-) > > Don > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <m22G7.21721$[email hidden]>, > > > "D_Vitale" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > >38 is old? Hey, I can still pitch a taunt tent most mornings:-) > > > > > > > > > > *Definitely* TMI...<g> > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > > > > >

No. That means your pajamas are too tight. btgoss "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hdlG7.2853$[email hidden]...

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> Does a Leantoo count? > dave henrie > "btgoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:gMfG7.69279$[email hidden]... > > Cool thread. > > The death of CART, Penske leaving, morning wood. > > I love USENET > > > > btgoss > > > > > > "D_Vitale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:BreG7.23265$[email hidden]... > > > :-) > > > Don > > > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > In article

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> > > > "D_Vitale" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > > >38 is old? Hey, I can still pitch a taunt tent most mornings:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Definitely* TMI...<g> > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Congrats on quitting smoking, Olav! My mother smoked like a fiend for years. One day she went to the doctor for a routine physical, and the doctor wanted to take a chest X-ray because he didn't like the sounds he heard from her breathing. When the X-ray came back, there was very little healthy lung tissue left. The doctor told my mother that if she didn't quit immediately, she'd be dead in less than a year. She quit cold turkey, that day. Then she called my dad, who was out of town on a business trip, and cried over the phone for hours! (Thank God the Internet wasn't really big back then, 'cuz I would've never gotten on that night)!! Hopefuuly, Olav, your experience won't be as bad as my mom's. Bob Jan Verschueren wrote:

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> Good on yer Olav... keep it up! > > Jan./never smoked myself, but seen enough to know it's real hard to quit. > =--- > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > > "Olav K. Malmin" wrote... > >>><snip> >>> >>Yup, quit smoking Marlboros and any other brand a few weeks >>ago. It's a tough fight, but it looks like I'm winning :) >> > >