OT: Cart Schedule 2002

Hi, I just saw the CART 2002 schedule and was a little bit irritated, due to the new canadien race in Montreal. Isn't the F1 racing on circuit Gilles Villenuve next year? I thought there was an agreement between CART & FIA not to race on the same circuits. Am I wrong? Joachim

Joachim B�ddeker <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted text (9 lines)

> Hi, > > I just saw the CART 2002 schedule and was a little bit > irritated, due to the new canadien race in Montreal. > > Isn't the F1 racing on circuit Gilles Villenuve next year? > > I thought there was an agreement between CART & FIA not to > race on the same circuits. Am I wrong?

Yes you are. That agreement were dropp last year I think. CART can race anywhere they want, but I think F1 get to choose first. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

Jacques Villeneuve is suppose to run in the CART race at Montreal as well. If that holds up is still a mystery. "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted text (18 lines)

> Joachim B�ddeker <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Hi, > > > > I just saw the CART 2002 schedule and was a little bit > > irritated, due to the new canadien race in Montreal. > > > > Isn't the F1 racing on circuit Gilles Villenuve next year? > > > > I thought there was an agreement between CART & FIA not to > > race on the same circuits. Am I wrong? > > Yes you are. That agreement were dropp last year I think. CART can > race anywhere they want, but I think F1 get to choose first. > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:32:14 +0100, Joachim B�ddeker <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (11 lines)

>Hi, > >I just saw the CART 2002 schedule and was a little bit >irritated, due to the new canadien race in Montreal. > >Isn't the F1 racing on circuit Gilles Villenuve next year? > >I thought there was an agreement between CART & FIA not to >race on the same circuits. Am I wrong? > >Joachim

Don't be disappointed, be happy! The CART race at Montreal should be great, and F1 will be there next year as well. Win, win. The agreement as I understand it is that CART will only race on oval tracks outside of N America. Road/street/ovals/whatever inside N America. Hence the two new ovals in UK and Germany. I'm not sure about any agreement for the same circuit, but others say that it has been abandoned. Rafe Mc

In article <9s9drt$11tq1a$[email hidden]>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joachim_B=F6ddeker?= <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted text (12 lines)

>Hi, > >I just saw the CART 2002 schedule and was a little bit >irritated, due to the new canadien race in Montreal. > >Isn't the F1 racing on circuit Gilles Villenuve next year? > >I thought there was an agreement between CART & FIA not to >race on the same circuits. Am I wrong? > >Joachim >

What's wrong - you DON'T want CART and F1 to run on the same track? Why not? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Relax Joachim, Both CART and F1 will be racing at JV. You are not loosing a round of F1 to CART. The CART track layout will most likely be modified somewhat, I beleive they are adding a couple of chicanes to the track layout. This will prevent fans from comparing the two series and drawing direct conclusions as to which is faster. dave henrie "Joachim B�ddeker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9s9drt$11tq1a$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (12 lines)

> Hi, > > I just saw the CART 2002 schedule and was a little bit > irritated, due to the new canadien race in Montreal. > > Isn't the F1 racing on circuit Gilles Villenuve next year? > > I thought there was an agreement between CART & FIA not to > race on the same circuits. Am I wrong? > > Joachim >

Rafe, The prohibition on CART running only ovals, not road courses, outside the U.S. was thanx to Bernie Ecclestone putting pressure on his stooge, Max Mosely, son of the WW II fascist, and currently major domo of the FIA. As usual, Bernie was treading roughshod on legality, and some Euro commerce commission shot him down. Now CART is free to run road races anywhere in the world they please...if they can just get their all-but-moribund act together. --Steve "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted text (26 lines)

> On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:32:14 +0100, Joachim B�ddeker > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I just saw the CART 2002 schedule and was a little bit > >irritated, due to the new canadien race in Montreal. > > > >Isn't the F1 racing on circuit Gilles Villenuve next year? > > > >I thought there was an agreement between CART & FIA not to > >race on the same circuits. Am I wrong? > > > >Joachim > > Don't be disappointed, be happy! The CART race at Montreal should be > great, and F1 will be there next year as well. Win, win. > > The agreement as I understand it is that CART will only race on oval > tracks outside of N America. Road/street/ovals/whatever inside N > America. Hence the two new ovals in UK and Germany. I'm not sure about > any agreement for the same circuit, but others say that it has been > abandoned. > > Rafe Mc >

Dave, I was under the impression that they were REMOVING a couple of chicanes, on the theory that a) the CART cars don't handle well enuf to handle the chicanes, or b) they're too slow to need them (take yer pick). But basically, yer right, they will run slightly different courses to avoid direct comparisons. --Steve "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:F_4G7.88$[email hidden]... > Relax Joachim, > Both CART and F1 will be racing at JV. You are not loosing a round ofF1 > to CART. The CART track layout will most likely be modified somewhat, I > beleive they are adding a couple of chicanes to the track layout. Thiswill > prevent fans from comparing the two series and drawing direct conclusionsas

Quoted text (18 lines)

> to which is faster. > dave henrie > "Joachim B�ddeker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9s9drt$11tq1a$[email hidden]... > > Hi, > > > > I just saw the CART 2002 schedule and was a little bit > > irritated, due to the new canadien race in Montreal. > > > > Isn't the F1 racing on circuit Gilles Villenuve next year? > > > > I thought there was an agreement between CART & FIA not to > > race on the same circuits. Am I wrong? > > > > Joachim > > > >

Stephen Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (7 lines)

> Dave, > I was under the impression that they were REMOVING a couple of chicanes, on > the theory that a) the CART cars don't handle well enuf to handle the > chicanes, or b) they're too slow to need them (take yer pick). But > basically, yer right, they will run slightly different courses to avoid > direct comparisons.

I imagine if CART removes just one chicane they face the threat of lapping the circuit slower than F1, despite an obviously faster layout. I'm not sure if CART is concerned with such comparisons, though - for sure they shouldn't be. Should CART go to any F1 venue, I hope they'd make them slightly less Mickey-Mouse, rather than the opposite. -- J. Sakari Salonen / [email hidden]

Dave Henrie wrote: > Relax Joachim, > Both CART and F1 will be racing at JV. You are not loosing a round of F1 > to CART. The CART track layout will most likely be modified somewhat, I > beleive they are adding a couple of chicanes to the track layout. This will > prevent fans from comparing the two series and drawing direct conclusions as > to which is faster. It's too bad that has to done. It would be interesting to see how the two series compare on a track like Montreal. I know the F1 cars would get around quicker, but by how much? Adding more chicanes to that circuit is also a shame. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

about the only place the CART cars would stand a chance would be the back straight...their top end should pull them past an F1 car there...however, the SUPER-DUPER brakes on an F1 car would guarentee that no CART car would be close enough by the time they got to that last hairpin. dave henrie "David Ewing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Dave Henrie wrote: > > > Relax Joachim, > > Both CART and F1 will be racing at JV. You are not loosing a roundof F1 > > to CART. The CART track layout will most likely be modified somewhat, I > > beleive they are adding a couple of chicanes to the track layout. Thiswill > > prevent fans from comparing the two series and drawing directconclusions as > > to which is faster. > > It's too bad that has to done. It would be interesting to see how the two > series compare on a track like Montreal. I know the F1 cars would getaround > quicker, but by how much? Adding more chicanes to that circuit is also ashame.

Quoted text (11 lines)

> > Dave Ewing > > -- > ***************************************************** > David A. Ewing > Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] > ***************************************************** > > >

In article <bi8G7.14908$[email hidden]>, "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted text (7 lines)

>Dave, > >I was under the impression that they were REMOVING a couple of chicanes, on >the theory that a) the CART cars don't handle well enuf to handle the >chicanes, or b) they're too slow to need them (take yer pick). But >basically, yer right, they will run slightly different courses to avoid >direct comparisons.

What a chicken-(bleep) way to do things... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted text (7 lines)

> >I was under the impression that they were REMOVING a couple of chicanes, on > >the theory that a) the CART cars don't handle well enuf to handle the > >chicanes, or b) they're too slow to need them (take yer pick). But > >basically, yer right, they will run slightly different courses to avoid > >direct comparisons. > > What a chicken-(bleep) way to do things... :(

Why not wait and see what the actual configuration is before making a judgement? It's all just rumor at this point... BTW, the idea that Champ Cars can't handle chicanes or aren't fast enough to need them is just ludicrous. Sure, F1 cars are quicker on road courses, but the CART machines are no slouches. Jim

In article <MPG.1654fa378fe88df39896ac@news>, Jim <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted text (12 lines)

>In article <[email hidden]>, >> >I was under the impression that they were REMOVING a couple of chicanes, >on >> >the theory that a) the CART cars don't handle well enuf to handle the >> >chicanes, or b) they're too slow to need them (take yer pick). But >> >basically, yer right, they will run slightly different courses to avoid >> >direct comparisons. >> >> What a chicken-(bleep) way to do things... :( > >Why not wait and see what the actual configuration is before making a >judgement? It's all just rumor at this point...

Ok, will do. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.