OT: A Few Comments

A few OT comments: 1. I have been on a business trip/family visit....to Los Angeles, CA since Tuesday, Nov 6th (morning), I returned the evening of Nov 11th (Saturday). On the trip home, I managed to acquire some form of food poisoning (not anthrax) and have been recovering since. Because of the airport security issues here in the US, I did not take my laptop with me on this trip which meant I would not have access to this newsgroup or my email. Today is the first day I've visited R.A.S. since the afternoon of Nov 5th. I thought this might be useful information for a few of you who seem to think I would be an active and vocal member of this sim community for nearly five years......and a few "flames" would chase me away. 2. I'm calling this post an "OT" post because I'm not going to comment about the pre-Nov 4th topics any further than I already have. I said, I was kidding about the "fast guys (Aliens) cheating in GPL post".....those of you who won't or can't accept that answer can FOAD. Thank you....the majority of this sim community would appreciate you expediting that. 3. Who the fark is "Gavel".....??? I don't remember him from TEN but he sure seems to remember me. I guess that just explains why I stopped sending out those defective T-shirts with my autograph and picture on it.....near the end of the TEN era! He must have gotten one of those (maybe he bought the "two-pack" set???).... and has really been pissed off all this time for spending $129.95 and didn't get my real autograph! There's a very good reason I couldn't sign thousands and thousands of those "Pabst Photo" t-shirts.....but that's just old news so I'll let it be in the past. To Gavel: If you send me back the Pabst T-Shirt....I promise I will sign my real signature on it and return it to you "postage pre-paid"..... Will that make you happy? Will you stop being such an asshole if I do that? I hope? I'm really sorry for stressing you out for all these years, dude! And by the way, Greg.....what you might have thought were "lectures" by me about my SCCA racing was probably something more along these lines: 4 years ago I was probably the only active and vocal member of the online racing community with extensive experience and background also in real-world racing. There may have been a couple other guys who'd won two SCCA championships, instructed in SCCA race licensing schools and so forth....but I didn't know of any. Because of that, I was pretty much bombarded when ever I would race on TEN using my own name. There were tons of people who wanted to know if "sim racing was realistic"....questions about racing lines at tracks I had raced on for real....and I can imagine that you can guess other questions? After a few months of this, I realized I couldn't "race" on TEN under my real name, so I created (and paid for) a second account which I used for pickup racing and did most of my racing about 90% under that pseudo-name. When I had time to talk about racing and chat with other sim drivers, I would sign onto TEN with my real name....and was very glad to answer questions, take new drivers into a track and help them with problems they were having and so forth. If you popped into a TEN arena chat room and saw me engaged in one of these "conversations," it might be easy for you to think that's all I did...and that I was "lecturing" everyone in the room about how much I knew about racing. Perhaps had you been in the chat arena from the first question....you might have realized I was just engaging others in answers for questions they had asked me. Since I haven't got a clue who you are or remember ever talking with you about this issue, you clearly never asked me why I was doing this "lecturing" as you called it. Had you done that Greg, you would have heard from me the same thing I've said countless times in the last 4 to 5 years: "My real racing background is a handicap for me to become "fast" in sim racing. I will never be as fast or as good of a sim driver as many who dedicate themselves to this e-sport as a full-time hobby. My brain will always be confused to a certain extent by the 15 years it spent racing in a real race car......by the sim car I now drive." I believe this is a fact also explained by many other real-world drivers who have taken up sim racing in the last four years. Today, I'm not so unique in that regard.......you know? I don't know what the fark your remark was about "saying goodbye and going off to make sim racing better for everyone".....you pulled that out of your arse for sure. I left TEN the same month you did....when it closed. If you want to press the issue? Let's do this. Let's start a new string right here on r.a.s. I'll put my record up for the last three years of what I've done to "Bridge the gap between real-world racing and sim racing".....against your record for what you've done ....and we'll see who has contributed to this new e-sport....and who hasn't. Is that a deal? I know what I've done in the last three years to help raise the level of awareness about sim racing, its drivers and participants to people I know in real-world racing! What the fark have you done in that same time? 4. There's a "sub-post" under the string: "Re: GPL2 Confirmed" by "Ryan" made on 11/13/01 at 11:12 pm: Comment: You owe somebody $20 bucks, jack! I don't need it......maybe you should send it to Gavel....he might? Better yet, send it Guy Wilson via PayPal, so he can use it to fund the continuance of the VROC servers. I expect you to post "proof" that you have done that on this newsgroup. Thanks.....but you probably won't. 5. There's a string below starting on 11/12/01 at 3:16 am by Andre, entitled: "Aliens VS Pabst" with 38 sub-posts under it. Not one of them refers to me or anything about this "issue" between myself and the so-called "aliens" of GPL (and N4). However, the entire string that I read (I stopped reading after a dozen or so sub-posts...since it had nothing to do with me) would have been better titled: "Aliens VS Fisher"......how the fark did my name get sucked into this? And to David Fisher: I don't know why everyone's pounding you dude, but your "slate" is clean with me since I don't really know you. But, I would like to "thank you" for the things you pointed out in the original post that started all this crap. At the time, you were a "lone voice of reasonableness" and I appreciate you having the guts to stand up and say what you did. That was cool. 6. To those of you organizing the "Pabst For President" write-in campaign: I should tell you that I'm not officially a candidate for this position at this time. However, I will tell that if for some reason I should be elected to the presidency, one of my first acts as the new US President would be to ask Congress to send $4.5 million funding to Papyrus....immediately.....with the proviso that they create GPL-2, covering F1 cars and physics for years 1968 through 2001......with annual releases of at least 5 years each year starting this coming Spring-2002. Also, Papyrus would be required to release a beta version of a GPL -physics- CART sim....no later than June 2002...and allow all current VROC and GPL sim community members to participate in the beta testing and development of this "add-on" sim for GPL-2....which must be completed by Christmas-2002 (or they won't get another $4.5 mil for 2003). Now, as I said, I'm not officially running for this position....but I just thought it would be important to let you all know what I would do if I was accidentally to be elected via this write-in campaign that has seem to have been started while I was traveling in Los Angeles last week. 7. To those of you who have organized the nightly VROC "Death To Pabst" championship race series: I was going to send you a bill for the unauthorized use of my now-infamous name to promote your new online racing series (league). However, my attorney pointed out that with those races being primarily driven by the GPL "hotlapping" aliens......nobody ever completes more than two or three laps of the 20 lap event.....so it might not be worth actually trying to extract any funds for this illegal use of my name. Of course, I totally forgot about that....and I agreed with him completely. So, you may continue using my name for your new GPL league......you now have my permission to do that and continue your activity (I wanted to called it "racing" but I have a hard time using that term with hotlapping-crashing......what else could I call this??? "activity" seems like the only word I could use at the moment). 8. To those of your who participated in the nightly "Pabst Bashing" on Nov 3rd thru Nov 6th on VROC.......even though you admitted to never having actually read any of my posts on r.a.s. and you were just pissed at me because of what a few of your fellow VROC'ers were posting in the VROC chat room, about what "they said, I said"........I say this to you, now: "Shame on you." I should be 100% recovered from this food poisoning by tomorrow....and will be "back" on r.a.s. regularly - soon thereafter. Sorry...I am aware that may be "bad news" to some of you. Regards, Tom Pabst PS: To those of you who wrote email to BRD expressing a reasonable concern about whether I should be representing their products in the USA, when I am at the same time, one of the vocal participants within the online sim racing community....and may at times in that role, be involved in some level of controversy: May I say that your right to notify of BRD of this concern of yours is not at issue. But, I would point out to you that BRD is not my employer, they can not "fire me" as such, and they have been working with Pabst-Racing for over three years now and they are fully aware of my status within the sim racing community as a vocal participant in it....they always have been. I'm sure BRD is fully capable of making the ongoing decisions whether I and others who work at Pabst-Racing are good for their business or bad for their business....taking into account our technical knowledge of sim racing controls (of BRD products and the competition's products), our participation and assistance with BRD product warranty issues, customer tech support for USA based customers, reduction of shipping expense by warehousing product on US soil...and so forth......along with my "visibility" in the online sim racing community. To the few of you who decided to launch a slur campaign via email to BRD, extracting "parts of my written r.a.s. posts" lifted out of context and suited to you contentions.....threatening to boycott or lead a boycott organizing activity of BRD products on VROC or in other online sim racing forums......."if I was not fired immediately by BRD"......I say this to you: We believe this is blatant and flagrant "defamation of character" and the International laws, including the local English laws covering this "corruption of free speech" are as strict and exact as the USA laws have always been. We have the "email address of record" for those (few) emails, and the IP address of the computer they were compiled on. You will be contacted soon about the action we may take against you. The level of "reasonable responsibility" about what you might post or say on a newsgroup is quite different than the "reasonable responsibility" one has when using the Internet email system to send messages publicly to individuals and public companies and corporations. Perhaps some of you were not aware of that.....you are about to get a very distasteful lesson about this fact, I would believe?

Once again soemone has to point out to pointless pabst that the fastest hotlappers are the most consistent racers too. Look at any top div in the main leagues. btw .. do u take lessons in boring? dan ( an insect) "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:v%BI7.12774$[email hidden]... > A few OT comments: > > 1. I have been on a business trip/family visit....to Los Angeles, CAsince

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> Tuesday, Nov 6th (morning), I returned the evening of Nov 11th (Saturday). > On the trip home, I managed to acquire some form of food poisoning (not > anthrax) and have been recovering since. Because of the airport security > issues here in the US, I did not take my laptop with me on this trip which > meant I would not have access to this newsgroup or my email. Today is the > first day I've visited R.A.S. since the afternoon of Nov 5th. I thought > this might be useful information for a few of you who seem to think I

would > be an active and vocal member of this sim community for nearly five > years......and a few "flames" would chase me away. > > 2. I'm calling this post an "OT" post because I'm not going to comment > about the pre-Nov 4th topics any further than I already have. I said, Iwas > kidding about the "fast guys (Aliens) cheating in GPL post".....those ofyou > who won't or can't accept that answer can FOAD. Thank you....the majority > of this sim community would appreciate you expediting that. > > 3. Who the fark is "Gavel".....??? I don't remember him from TEN but he > sure seems to remember me. I guess that just explains why I stoppedsending > out those defective T-shirts with my autograph and picture on it.....near > the end of the TEN era! He must have gotten one of those (maybe he bought > the "two-pack" set???).... and has really been pissed off all this timefor > spending $129.95 and didn't get my real autograph! There's a very good > reason I couldn't sign thousands and thousands of those "Pabst Photo" > t-shirts.....but that's just old news so I'll let it be in the past. To > Gavel: If you send me back the Pabst T-Shirt....I promise I will sign my > real signature on it and return it to you "postage pre-paid"..... Willthat > make you happy? Will you stop being such an asshole if I do that? Ihope? > I'm really sorry for stressing you out for all these years, dude! And by > the way, Greg.....what you might have thought were "lectures" by me aboutmy > SCCA racing was probably something more along these lines: 4 years ago I > was probably the only active and vocal member of the online racingcommunity > with extensive experience and background also in real-world racing. There > may have been a couple other guys who'd won two SCCA championships, > instructed in SCCA race licensing schools and so forth....but I didn'tknow > of any. Because of that, I was pretty much bombarded when ever I wouldrace

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> on TEN using my own name. There were tons of people who wanted to know if > "sim racing was realistic"....questions about racing lines at tracks I had > raced on for real....and I can imagine that you can guess other questions? > After a few months of this, I realized I couldn't "race" on TEN under my > real name, so I created (and paid for) a second account which I used for > pickup racing and did most of my racing about 90% under that pseudo-name. > When I had time to talk about racing and chat with other sim drivers, I > would sign onto TEN with my real name....and was very glad to answer > questions, take new drivers into a track and help them with problems they > were having and so forth. If you popped into a TEN arena chat room and

saw > me engaged in one of these "conversations," it might be easy for you to > think that's all I did...and that I was "lecturing" everyone in the room > about how much I knew about racing. Perhaps had you been in the chatarena > from the first question....you might have realized I was just engaging > others in answers for questions they had asked me. Since I haven't got a > clue who you are or remember ever talking with you about this issue, you > clearly never asked me why I was doing this "lecturing" as you called it. > Had you done that Greg, you would have heard from me the same thing I've > said countless times in the last 4 to 5 years: "My real racing backgroundis > a handicap for me to become "fast" in sim racing. I will never be as fast > or as good of a sim driver as many who dedicate themselves to this e-sport > as a full-time hobby. My brain will always be confused to a certainextent > by the 15 years it spent racing in a real race car......by the sim car Inow > drive." I believe this is a fact also explained by many other real-world > drivers who have taken up sim racing in the last four years. Today, I'mnot > so unique in that regard.......you know? > > I don't know what the fark your remark was about "saying goodbye and going > off to make sim racing better for everyone".....you pulled that out ofyour > arse for sure. I left TEN the same month you did....when it closed. Ifyou > want to press the issue? Let's do this. Let's start a new string right > here on r.a.s. I'll put my record up for the last three years of whatI've > done to "Bridge the gap between real-world racing and sim > racing".....against your record for what you've done ....and we'll see who > has contributed to this new e-sport....and who hasn't. Is that a deal? I > know what I've done in the last three years to help raise the level of > awareness about sim racing, its drivers and participants to people I knowin

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> real-world racing! > > What the fark have you done in that same time? > > 4. There's a "sub-post" under the string: "Re: GPL2 Confirmed" by "Ryan" > made on 11/13/01 at 11:12 pm: > > Comment: You owe somebody $20 bucks, jack! I don't need

it......maybe > you should send it to Gavel....he might? Better yet, send it Guy Wilsonvia

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> PayPal, so he can use it to fund the continuance of the VROC servers. I > expect you to post "proof" that you have done that on this newsgroup. > Thanks.....but you probably won't. > > 5. There's a string below starting on 11/12/01 at 3:16 am by Andre, > entitled: "Aliens VS Pabst" with 38 sub-posts under it. Not one of them > refers to me or anything about this "issue" between myself and the

so-called > "aliens" of GPL (and N4). However, the entire string that I read (Istopped > reading after a dozen or so sub-posts...since it had nothing to do withme) > would have been better titled: "Aliens VS Fisher"......how the fark did my > name get sucked into this? And to David Fisher: I don't know why > everyone's pounding you dude, but your "slate" is clean with me since I > don't really know you. But, I would like to "thank you" for the thingsyou > pointed out in the original post that started all this crap. At the time, > you were a "lone voice of reasonableness" and I appreciate you having the > guts to stand up and say what you did. That was cool. > > 6. To those of you organizing the "Pabst For President" write-incampaign: > I should tell you that I'm not officially a candidate for this position at > this time. However, I will tell that if for some reason I should beelected > to the presidency, one of my first acts as the new US President would beto > ask Congress to send $4.5 million funding toPapyrus....immediately.....with

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> the proviso that they create GPL-2, covering F1 cars and physics for years > 1968 through 2001......with annual releases of at least 5 years each year > starting this coming Spring-2002. Also, Papyrus would be required to > release a beta version of a GPL -physics- CART sim....no later than June > 2002...and allow all current VROC and GPL sim community members to > participate in the beta testing and development of this "add-on" sim for > GPL-2....which must be completed by Christmas-2002 (or they won't get > another $4.5 mil for 2003). Now, as I said, I'm not officially running

for

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> this position....but I just thought it would be important to let you all > know what I would do if I was accidentally to be elected via this write-in > campaign that has seem to have been started while I was traveling in Los > Angeles last week. > > 7. To those of you who have organized the nightly VROC "Death To Pabst" > championship race series: I was going to send you a bill for the > unauthorized use of my now-infamous name to promote your new online racing > series (league). However, my attorney pointed out that with those races > being primarily driven by the GPL "hotlapping" aliens......nobody ever > completes more than two or three laps of the 20 lap event.....so it might > not be worth actually trying to extract any funds for this illegal use of

my > name. Of course, I totally forgot about that....and I agreed with him > completely. So, you may continue using my name for your new GPL > league......you now have my permission to do that and continue youractivity > (I wanted to called it "racing" but I have a hard time using that termwith > hotlapping-crashing......what else could I call this??? "activity" seems > like the only word I could use at the moment). > > 8. To those of your who participated in the nightly "Pabst Bashing" onNov > 3rd thru Nov 6th on VROC.......even though you admitted to never having > actually read any of my posts on r.a.s. and you were just pissed at me > because of what a few of your fellow VROC'ers were posting in the VROCchat > room, about what "they said, I said"........I say this to you, now:"Shame > on you." > > I should be 100% recovered from this food poisoning by tomorrow....andwill

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> be "back" on r.a.s. regularly - soon thereafter. Sorry...I am aware that > may be "bad news" to some of you. > > Regards, > > Tom Pabst > > PS: To those of you who wrote email to BRD expressing a reasonable

concern > about whether I should be representing their products in the USA, when Iam > at the same time, one of the vocal participants within the online simracing > community....and may at times in that role, be involved in some level of > controversy: May I say that your right to notify of BRD of this concernof > yours is not at issue. But, I would point out to you that BRD is not my > employer, they can not "fire me" as such, and they have been working with > Pabst-Racing for over three years now and they are fully aware of mystatus > within the sim racing community as a vocal participant in it....theyalways > have been. I'm sure BRD is fully capable of making the ongoing decisions > whether I and others who work at Pabst-Racing are good for their businessor > bad for their business....taking into account our technical knowledge ofsim > racing controls (of BRD products and the competition's products), our > participation and assistance with BRD product warranty issues, customertech

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> support for USA based customers, reduction of shipping expense by > warehousing product on US soil...and so forth......along with my > "visibility" in the online sim racing community. > > To the few of you who decided to launch a slur campaign via email to BRD, > extracting "parts of my written r.a.s. posts" lifted out of context and > suited to you contentions.....threatening to boycott or lead a boycott > organizing activity of BRD products on VROC or in other online sim racing > forums......."if I was not fired immediately by BRD"......I say this to

you: > We believe this is blatant and flagrant "defamation of character" and the > International laws, including the local English laws covering this > "corruption of free speech" are as strict and exact as the USA laws have > always been. We have the "email address of record" for those (few)emails, > and the IP address of the computer they were compiled on. You will be > contacted soon about the action we may take against you. The level of > "reasonable responsibility" about what you might post or say on anewsgroup

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> is quite different than the "reasonable responsibility" one has when using > the Internet email system to send messages publicly to individuals and > public companies and corporations. Perhaps some of you were not aware of > that.....you are about to get a very distasteful lesson about this fact, I > would believe? > > > >

Oh dear, a hypocrite with a lawyer. Sad. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "Tom Pabst" wrote...

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> A few OT comments: > <snip> > We believe this is blatant and flagrant "defamation of > character" and the International laws, including the local > English laws covering this "corruption of free speech" are > as strict and exact as the USA laws have always been. We > have the "email address of record" for those (few) emails, > and the IP address of the computer they were compiled on. > You will be contacted soon about the action we may take > against you.

>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote<snip> I just don't see the point. It's close to Derek Smart terrictory now. > 2. I'm calling this post an "OT" post because I'm not going to comment > about the pre-Nov 4th topics any further than I already have. I said, Iwas > kidding about the "fast guys (Aliens) cheating in GPL post".....those ofyou > who won't or can't accept that answer can FOAD. Thank you....the majority > of this sim community would appreciate you expediting that. Your post should had stopped here, really. Trust me. > 4 years ago I was probably the only active and vocal member of the online > racing community with extensive experience and background also inreal-world racing. <cough> untrue, and also quite ego-centrical. Plenty of us are real-life racers around the world, and yes even the vocals ones. That was unecessary, you are NOT superior to anybody. > Because of that, I was pretty much bombarded when ever I would race > on TEN using my own name. More ego-trip. I don't know if you are doing this on purpose, but it's really how you are portrayed by your words. You weren't "famous", you never were famous Tom. Just stop thinking that you are, because you are not. If you are famous, then I must be famous also. But I'm not. So, now that the NROS is dead, what was that secret "other" account you had? Please share Tom, really :) > I'll put my record up for the last three years of what I've > done to "Bridge the gap between real-world racing and sim > racing".....against your record for what you've done ....and we'll see who > has contributed to this new e-sport More ego-trip. You are not famous Tom, remember that! You've done nothing better, or more then anybody else here. Yes, you sure did some things, but we *ALL* have. We are just not as vocal or pompous about it, we don't brag. There's no need, nobody here is in search for net.celebrity. > To the few of you who decided to launch a slur campaign via email to BRD, > extracting "parts of my written r.a.s. posts" lifted out of context and > suited to you contentions.....threatening to boycott or lead a boycott > organizing activity of BRD products on VROC or in other online sim racing > forums......."if I was not fired immediately by BRD"......I say this toyou: > We believe this is blatant and flagrant "defamation of character" and the > International laws, including the local English laws covering this > "corruption of free speech" are as strict and exact as the USA laws have > always been. We have the "email address of record" for those (few)emails, > and the IP address of the computer they were compiled on. You will be > contacted soon about the action we may take against you. The level of > "reasonable responsibility" about what you might post or say on anewsgroup > is quite different than the "reasonable responsibility" one has when using > the Internet email system to send messages publicly to individuals and > public companies and corporations. Perhaps some of you were not aware of > that.....you are about to get a very distasteful lesson about this fact, I > would believe? <yawn> God bless lawyers and America. That was Derek-Smartesque. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:v%BI7.12774$[email hidden]... > A few OT comments: *yawn*

"> 4. There's a "sub-post" under the string: "Re: GPL2 Confirmed" by "Ryan" > made on 11/13/01 at 11:12 pm: > > Comment: You owe somebody $20 bucks, jack! I don't needit......maybe > you should send it to Gavel....he might? Better yet, send it Guy Wilsonvia > PayPal, so he can use it to fund the continuance of the VROC servers. I > expect you to post "proof" that you have done that on this newsgroup. > Thanks.....but you probably won't. Yes sir, Mr. Pabst, sir!! We were all "expecting" you to post "proof" of all this cheating too, so when that happens, I'll gladly put in $20 for VROC. I was simply commenting on your absence from RAS over the last ~10 days or so, that's it. Anyway, my name's not jack. Ryan

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:12:43 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote: >A few OT comments: > >1. <snip>On the trip home, I managed to acquire some form of food poisoning (not >anthrax) and have been recovering since. That sucks Tom.. Hope you feel better soon (nobody will believe me, but I mean that :) <S> <N> <I> <P> >5. There's a string below starting on 11/12/01 at 3:16 am by Andre, >entitled: "Aliens VS Pabst" with 38 sub-posts under it. Not one of them >refers to me or anything about this "issue" between myself and the so-called >"aliens" of GPL (and N4). However, the entire string that I read (I stopped >reading after a dozen or so sub-posts...since it had nothing to do with me)<snip> You must have missed my original post then.. you challenged me to a Monza race and I replied it would be a nicer idea to have a full distance race on the Ring, full damage, together with a bunch of aliens. What better way to test who are the better/more consistent drivers Tom, average drivers like you and me or the aliens? Come on, accept it, let's have some fun. Who knows, maybe all the aliens will crash and you have proven your point, maybe all the aliens will finish and you will see them in a different light. It's NOT meant as a 'lets kick Tom's ass' race, allthough obviously a lot of people will think differently :) >And to David Fisher: I don't know why >everyone's pounding you dude, but your "slate" is clean with me since I >don't really know you. Yes.. that is quite obvious :) >But, I would like to "thank you" for the things you >pointed out in the original post that started all this crap. At the time, >you were a "lone voice of reasonableness" and I appreciate you having the >guts to stand up and say what you did. That was cool. YEAH I got my first DGF fanclub member! :) Andre

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:12:43 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>6. To those of you organizing the "Pabst For President" write-in campaign: >I should tell you that I'm not officially a candidate for this position at >this time. However, I will tell that if for some reason I should be elected >to the presidency, one of my first acts as the new US President would be to >ask Congress to send $4.5 million funding to Papyrus....immediately.....with >the proviso that they create GPL-2, covering F1 cars and physics for years >1968 through 2001......with annual releases of at least 5 years each year >starting this coming Spring-2002. Also, Papyrus would be required to >release a beta version of a GPL -physics- CART sim....no later than June >2002...and allow all current VROC and GPL sim community members to >participate in the beta testing and development of this "add-on" sim for >GPL-2....which must be completed by Christmas-2002 (or they won't get >another $4.5 mil for 2003).

I'm in! Can swedish guys vote too, please? :) Cheers, /Martin

*cough, cough* Hey Tom.. you forgot somebody!! ;) Scott PA-Scott "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:keEI7.14560$[email hidden]... > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > <snip> > > > 4 years ago I was probably the only active and vocal member of theonline > > racing community with extensive experience and background also in > real-world racing. > > <cough> untrue, and also quite ego-centrical. Plenty of us are real-life > racers around the world, and yes even the vocals ones. That wasunecessary, > you are NOT superior to anybody. >

Man Tom, You are really touched in the head. The more I read from you through the years, the more convinced I become that you are mental. And it seems to be getting MUCH worse. Please seek help! And spare us the book! "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:v%BI7.12774$[email hidden]... > A few OT comments: > > 1. I have been on a business trip/family visit....to Los Angeles, CAsince

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> Tuesday, Nov 6th (morning), I returned the evening of Nov 11th (Saturday). > On the trip home, I managed to acquire some form of food poisoning (not > anthrax) and have been recovering since. Because of the airport security > issues here in the US, I did not take my laptop with me on this trip which > meant I would not have access to this newsgroup or my email. Today is the > first day I've visited R.A.S. since the afternoon of Nov 5th. I thought > this might be useful information for a few of you who seem to think I

would > be an active and vocal member of this sim community for nearly five > years......and a few "flames" would chase me away. > > 2. I'm calling this post an "OT" post because I'm not going to comment > about the pre-Nov 4th topics any further than I already have. I said, Iwas > kidding about the "fast guys (Aliens) cheating in GPL post".....those ofyou > who won't or can't accept that answer can FOAD. Thank you....the majority > of this sim community would appreciate you expediting that. > > 3. Who the fark is "Gavel".....??? I don't remember him from TEN but he > sure seems to remember me. I guess that just explains why I stoppedsending > out those defective T-shirts with my autograph and picture on it.....near > the end of the TEN era! He must have gotten one of those (maybe he bought > the "two-pack" set???).... and has really been pissed off all this timefor > spending $129.95 and didn't get my real autograph! There's a very good > reason I couldn't sign thousands and thousands of those "Pabst Photo" > t-shirts.....but that's just old news so I'll let it be in the past. To > Gavel: If you send me back the Pabst T-Shirt....I promise I will sign my > real signature on it and return it to you "postage pre-paid"..... Willthat > make you happy? Will you stop being such an asshole if I do that? Ihope? > I'm really sorry for stressing you out for all these years, dude! And by > the way, Greg.....what you might have thought were "lectures" by me aboutmy > SCCA racing was probably something more along these lines: 4 years ago I > was probably the only active and vocal member of the online racingcommunity > with extensive experience and background also in real-world racing. There > may have been a couple other guys who'd won two SCCA championships, > instructed in SCCA race licensing schools and so forth....but I didn'tknow > of any. Because of that, I was pretty much bombarded when ever I wouldrace

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> on TEN using my own name. There were tons of people who wanted to know if > "sim racing was realistic"....questions about racing lines at tracks I had > raced on for real....and I can imagine that you can guess other questions? > After a few months of this, I realized I couldn't "race" on TEN under my > real name, so I created (and paid for) a second account which I used for > pickup racing and did most of my racing about 90% under that pseudo-name. > When I had time to talk about racing and chat with other sim drivers, I > would sign onto TEN with my real name....and was very glad to answer > questions, take new drivers into a track and help them with problems they > were having and so forth. If you popped into a TEN arena chat room and

saw > me engaged in one of these "conversations," it might be easy for you to > think that's all I did...and that I was "lecturing" everyone in the room > about how much I knew about racing. Perhaps had you been in the chatarena > from the first question....you might have realized I was just engaging > others in answers for questions they had asked me. Since I haven't got a > clue who you are or remember ever talking with you about this issue, you > clearly never asked me why I was doing this "lecturing" as you called it. > Had you done that Greg, you would have heard from me the same thing I've > said countless times in the last 4 to 5 years: "My real racing backgroundis > a handicap for me to become "fast" in sim racing. I will never be as fast > or as good of a sim driver as many who dedicate themselves to this e-sport > as a full-time hobby. My brain will always be confused to a certainextent > by the 15 years it spent racing in a real race car......by the sim car Inow > drive." I believe this is a fact also explained by many other real-world > drivers who have taken up sim racing in the last four years. Today, I'mnot > so unique in that regard.......you know? > > I don't know what the fark your remark was about "saying goodbye and going > off to make sim racing better for everyone".....you pulled that out ofyour > arse for sure. I left TEN the same month you did....when it closed. Ifyou > want to press the issue? Let's do this. Let's start a new string right > here on r.a.s. I'll put my record up for the last three years of whatI've > done to "Bridge the gap between real-world racing and sim > racing".....against your record for what you've done ....and we'll see who > has contributed to this new e-sport....and who hasn't. Is that a deal? I > know what I've done in the last three years to help raise the level of > awareness about sim racing, its drivers and participants to people I knowin

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> real-world racing! > > What the fark have you done in that same time? > > 4. There's a "sub-post" under the string: "Re: GPL2 Confirmed" by "Ryan" > made on 11/13/01 at 11:12 pm: > > Comment: You owe somebody $20 bucks, jack! I don't need

it......maybe > you should send it to Gavel....he might? Better yet, send it Guy Wilsonvia

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> PayPal, so he can use it to fund the continuance of the VROC servers. I > expect you to post "proof" that you have done that on this newsgroup. > Thanks.....but you probably won't. > > 5. There's a string below starting on 11/12/01 at 3:16 am by Andre, > entitled: "Aliens VS Pabst" with 38 sub-posts under it. Not one of them > refers to me or anything about this "issue" between myself and the

so-called > "aliens" of GPL (and N4). However, the entire string that I read (Istopped > reading after a dozen or so sub-posts...since it had nothing to do withme) > would have been better titled: "Aliens VS Fisher"......how the fark did my > name get sucked into this? And to David Fisher: I don't know why > everyone's pounding you dude, but your "slate" is clean with me since I > don't really know you. But, I would like to "thank you" for the thingsyou > pointed out in the original post that started all this crap. At the time, > you were a "lone voice of reasonableness" and I appreciate you having the > guts to stand up and say what you did. That was cool. > > 6. To those of you organizing the "Pabst For President" write-incampaign: > I should tell you that I'm not officially a candidate for this position at > this time. However, I will tell that if for some reason I should beelected > to the presidency, one of my first acts as the new US President would beto > ask Congress to send $4.5 million funding toPapyrus....immediately.....with

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> the proviso that they create GPL-2, covering F1 cars and physics for years > 1968 through 2001......with annual releases of at least 5 years each year > starting this coming Spring-2002. Also, Papyrus would be required to > release a beta version of a GPL -physics- CART sim....no later than June > 2002...and allow all current VROC and GPL sim community members to > participate in the beta testing and development of this "add-on" sim for > GPL-2....which must be completed by Christmas-2002 (or they won't get > another $4.5 mil for 2003). Now, as I said, I'm not officially running

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> this position....but I just thought it would be important to let you all > know what I would do if I was accidentally to be elected via this write-in > campaign that has seem to have been started while I was traveling in Los > Angeles last week. > > 7. To those of you who have organized the nightly VROC "Death To Pabst" > championship race series: I was going to send you a bill for the > unauthorized use of my now-infamous name to promote your new online racing > series (league). However, my attorney pointed out that with those races > being primarily driven by the GPL "hotlapping" aliens......nobody ever > completes more than two or three laps of the 20 lap event.....so it might > not be worth actually trying to extract any funds for this illegal use of

my > name. Of course, I totally forgot about that....and I agreed with him > completely. So, you may continue using my name for your new GPL > league......you now have my permission to do that and continue youractivity > (I wanted to called it "racing" but I have a hard time using that termwith > hotlapping-crashing......what else could I call this??? "activity" seems > like the only word I could use at the moment). > > 8. To those of your who participated in the nightly "Pabst Bashing" onNov > 3rd thru Nov 6th on VROC.......even though you admitted to never having > actually read any of my posts on r.a.s. and you were just pissed at me > because of what a few of your fellow VROC'ers were posting in the VROCchat > room, about what "they said, I said"........I say this to you, now:"Shame > on you." > > I should be 100% recovered from this food poisoning by tomorrow....andwill

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> be "back" on r.a.s. regularly - soon thereafter. Sorry...I am aware that > may be "bad news" to some of you. > > Regards, > > Tom Pabst > > PS: To those of you who wrote email to BRD expressing a reasonable

concern > about whether I should be representing their products in the USA, when Iam > at the same time, one of the vocal participants within the online simracing > community....and may at times in that role, be involved in some level of > controversy: May I say that your right to notify of BRD of this concernof > yours is not at issue. But, I would point out to you that BRD is not my > employer, they can not "fire me" as such, and they have been working with > Pabst-Racing for over three years now and they are fully aware of mystatus > within the sim racing community as a vocal participant in it....theyalways > have been. I'm sure BRD is fully capable of making the ongoing decisions > whether I and others who work at Pabst-Racing are good for their businessor > bad for their business....taking into account our technical knowledge ofsim > racing controls (of BRD products and the competition's products), our > participation and assistance with BRD product warranty issues, customertech

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> support for USA based customers, reduction of shipping expense by > warehousing product on US soil...and so forth......along with my > "visibility" in the online sim racing community. > > To the few of you who decided to launch a slur campaign via email to BRD, > extracting "parts of my written r.a.s. posts" lifted out of context and > suited to you contentions.....threatening to boycott or lead a boycott > organizing activity of BRD products on VROC or in other online sim racing > forums......."if I was not fired immediately by BRD"......I say this to

you: > We believe this is blatant and flagrant "defamation of character" and the > International laws, including the local English laws covering this > "corruption of free speech" are as strict and exact as the USA laws have > always been. We have the "email address of record" for those (few)emails, > and the IP address of the computer they were compiled on. You will be > contacted soon about the action we may take against you. The level of > "reasonable responsibility" about what you might post or say on anewsgroup

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> is quite different than the "reasonable responsibility" one has when using > the Internet email system to send messages publicly to individuals and > public companies and corporations. Perhaps some of you were not aware of > that.....you are about to get a very distasteful lesson about this fact, I > would believe? > > > >

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> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:12:43 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >6. To those of you organizing the "Pabst For President" write-in campaign: > >I should tell you that I'm not officially a candidate for this position at > >this time. However, I will tell that if for some reason I should be elected > >to the presidency, one of my first acts as the new US President would be to > >ask Congress to send $4.5 million funding to Papyrus....immediately.....with > >the proviso that they create GPL-2, covering F1 cars and physics for years > >1968 through 2001......with annual releases of at least 5 years each year > >starting this coming Spring-2002. Also, Papyrus would be required to > >release a beta version of a GPL -physics- CART sim....no later than June > >2002...and allow all current VROC and GPL sim community members to > >participate in the beta testing and development of this "add-on" sim for > >GPL-2....which must be completed by Christmas-2002 (or they won't get > >another $4.5 mil for 2003). > > I'm in! Can swedish guys vote too, please? :) > > Cheers, > > /Martin

I'm not in, I'm not *that* desperate..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Tom Pabst wrote: > Sorry to hear about your food poisoning, I hear it's not much fun..... Gavel is Greg Avella, used to be a fairly vocal member of the t.g.n.s and later Jacob's NG..... And btw Tom, I think most of us, even the non english speaking members, didn't assume you had anthrax poisoning when you said you had food poisoning, even without looking it up in a dictionary Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:45:43 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'm not in, I'm not *that* desperate..... Well, I must admit I rarely have the mental strength to read Tom's lengthy posts so I'm not sure how he compares to the average president. Can't be that bad can it? But when I comes to good open-wheeler sims I'll do almost anything! :) Cheers, /Martin

"Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > *cough, cough* Hey Tom.. you forgot somebody!! ;) No, he was talking about people with racing experience, doing a bit of Sunday Driving just isn't the same Scott :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

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> > On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:45:43 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I'm not in, I'm not *that* desperate..... > > Well, I must admit I rarely have the mental strength to read Tom's > lengthy posts so I'm not sure how he compares to the average > president. Can't be that bad can it? > > But when I comes to good open-wheeler sims I'll do almost anything! :)

Put it like this Martin, I'm a Socialist, the good old fashioned Scandinavian kind :-) and I'd rather vote GWB.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Damn union loving socialist swine pretending to be a capitalist . <VBG> ;) Scott PA-Scott "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Martin Granberg wrote: > > > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:45:43 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >I'm not in, I'm not *that* desperate..... > > > > Well, I must admit I rarely have the mental strength to read Tom's > > lengthy posts so I'm not sure how he compares to the average > > president. Can't be that bad can it? > > > > But when I comes to good open-wheeler sims I'll do almost anything! :) > > Put it like this Martin, I'm a Socialist, the good old fashioned > Scandinavian kind :-) and I'd rather vote GWB.... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

I think he was working under the assumption that we either a) assumed he would be a terrorist target or b) someone from the sim community would send him anthrax tainted mail. Personally, I think it would be tough for him to beat out ymenard ;) Scott PA-Scott "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > Sorry to hear about your food poisoning, I hear it's not much fun..... > > Gavel is Greg Avella, used to be a fairly vocal member of the t.g.n.s > and later Jacob's NG..... > > And btw Tom, I think most of us, even the non english speaking members, > didn't assume you had anthrax poisoning when you said you had food > poisoning, even without looking it up in a dictionary > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

"Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > Damn union loving socialist swine pretending to be a capitalist . <VBG> > ;) I'm your worst nightmare, a capitalistic socialist with his own business.....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Ya Poodle Walking Nancy Boy!! ;-) "Scott B. Husted" wrote:

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> *cough, cough* Hey Tom.. you forgot somebody!! ;) > > Scott > PA-Scott > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:keEI7.14560$[email hidden]... > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > <snip> > > > > > > 4 years ago I was probably the only active and vocal member of the > online > > > racing community with extensive experience and background also in > > real-world racing. > > > > <cough> untrue, and also quite ego-centrical. Plenty of us are real-life > > racers around the world, and yes even the vocals ones. That was > unecessary, > > you are NOT superior to anybody. > >

-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 7.01 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

Tom Pabst wrote:

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> > A few OT comments: > > 1. I have been on a business trip/family visit....to Los Angeles, CA since > Tuesday, Nov 6th (morning), I returned the evening of Nov 11th (Saturday). > On the trip home, I managed to acquire some form of food poisoning (not > anthrax) and have been recovering since.

<ONE SMALL SNIP FOR TOM, ONE GIANT SNIP FOR MANKIND> Tom -- Sorry to hear you have the shits. AND I see the verbal diarrhoea is acting up again too, bummer! Regards Gerry PS: Good luck with the court case. I hope you track down the guy who used an internet cafe along with a false name when he e-mailed BRD.

Bite me you whining, ungrateful SOB!! ;-) You still using N4 version 1.01 ?? =P Scott PA-Scott "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Ya Poodle Walking Nancy Boy!! ;-) > > "Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > > *cough, cough* Hey Tom.. you forgot somebody!! ;) > > > > Scott > > PA-Scott > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:keEI7.14560$[email hidden]... > > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > 4 years ago I was probably the only active and vocal member of the > > online > > > > racing community with extensive experience and background also in > > > real-world racing. > > > > > > <cough> untrue, and also quite ego-centrical. Plenty of us are

real-life

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> > > racers around the world, and yes even the vocals ones. That was > > unecessary, > > > you are NOT superior to anybody. > > > > > -- > Ric Seyler > Online Racing: RicSeyler > GPL Handicap 7.01 > [email hidden] > http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler > -------------------------------------- > "Homer no function beer well without." > - H.J. Simpson > > >

In America we call them DEMOCRATS. ROFLMAO ;) Scott PA-Scott "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > "Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > > > Damn union loving socialist swine pretending to be a capitalist . <VBG> > > ;) > > I'm your worst nightmare, a capitalistic socialist with his own > business.....:-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

I had to contact the miner that dug the coal, that fired the furnace, that melted the metal, that made the chips that are on my RAID board..... He hooked me up! So now I'm patched. HAHAHAHA!!!! "Scott B. Husted" wrote:

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> Bite me you whining, ungrateful SOB!! ;-) > > You still using N4 version 1.01 ?? =P > > Scott > PA-Scott > > "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Ya Poodle Walking Nancy Boy!! ;-) > > > > "Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > > > > *cough, cough* Hey Tom.. you forgot somebody!! ;) > > > > > > Scott > > > PA-Scott > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:keEI7.14560$[email hidden]... > > > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4 years ago I was probably the only active and vocal member of the > > > online > > > > > racing community with extensive experience and background also in > > > > real-world racing. > > > > > > > > <cough> untrue, and also quite ego-centrical. Plenty of us are > real-life > > > > racers around the world, and yes even the vocals ones. That was > > > unecessary, > > > > you are NOT superior to anybody. > > > > > > > > -- > > Ric Seyler > > Online Racing: RicSeyler > > GPL Handicap 7.01 > > [email hidden] > > http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler > > -------------------------------------- > > "Homer no function beer well without." > > - H.J. Simpson > > > > > >

-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 7.01 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

Been following this with a sort of morbid facination :) Most of what Tom writes is bollox, the rambings of someone who disappeared up his own arsehole some time ago. There were hints of reality in there too though: "My brain will always be confused to a certain extent" So true Tom, so very true. Oh, and when blowing your own trumpet about "I know what I've done in the last three years to help raise the level of awareness about sim racing, its drivers and participants to people I know in real-world racing!" maybe you should also consider how many people you've alienated or turned off racing because they think its made up of people like you. If you did indeed help people with setups and driving styles in the early days of sim-racing, cool. You shouldn't need to shout about it if its true - people should be lining up to sing your praises. We've heard a lot of self-praise from you but not a whole lot of others willing to echo it. Ever wondered why? Ever thought it might just be you? Or maybe you could use the old "silent majority" line again. You're fooling no-one. I suppose I can class myself as an insect, since I broke 1.30 at Monza a couple of times If you really are as slow as you say you are after owning the game for 3 years no wonder you're bitter! I broke 1.33 after about a week in the Cooper and I'm not one of the "fast guys" that you hate with such a passion. I can only do about 1.30.xx in the Cooper there now - but I know this: I'm far less of a danger to myself and other racers (of all abilities) than I was when I was doing 33's. If you can't see that you need to achieve a higher level of all round control to find the 3 seconds and that improved car control = less chance of incidents then frankly you're a lost cause. Complain about bad driving on Vroc by all means, but I'll tell you now when a German magazine gave free copies of GPL on the cover disk, the number of racers and standard of driving decreased markedly - you work it out. I wasn't bothered though, it was new blood which Vroc and GPL needs to survive - most improve quite quickly and become useful racers. I was happy to suffer their dodgy lines into corners, early braking and lockups, wild lurid slides, occasional railriding (hopefully unintentional) unpredictable behaviour - because a few months before, that was me. I've caused enough accidents in online races in my time, anyone who says they haven't is a liar. I strive to improve my skills so these incidents are less regular - its all you can do. There is also such a thing as a "racing accident" 6 of one and half a dozen of the other if you like. Warp plays a part too. Spend less time hyping yourself and more time contributing to this great community you claim to be a part of. This little world will be a happier place for it, believe me. Herb http://www.gplegends.co.uk "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> Oh dear, a hypocrite with a lawyer. Sad. > > Jan. > =--- > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > > "Tom Pabst" wrote... > > A few OT comments: > > <snip> > > We believe this is blatant and flagrant "defamation of > > character" and the International laws, including the local > > English laws covering this "corruption of free speech" are > > as strict and exact as the USA laws have always been. We > > have the "email address of record" for those (few) emails, > > and the IP address of the computer they were compiled on. > > You will be contacted soon about the action we may take > > against you.

Jan Verschueren wrote: > > Oh dear, a hypocrite with a lawyer. Sad. ROFL, I'm sorry but I find that funny as hell Guess us Europeans aren't too impressed about the "I've called my lawyer" comment, no offense to our US cousins intended, just an observation about cultural differences really Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

He was joking when he said that there was cheating in GPL. Huge mistake by you and many others. David G Fisher "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pMLI7.372$[email hidden]...

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>> Yes sir, Mr. Pabst, sir!! We were all "expecting" you to post "proof" of > all this cheating too, so when that happens, I'll gladly put in $20 for > VROC. I was simply commenting on your absence from RAS over the last ~10 > days or so, that's it. Anyway, my name's not jack. > > Ryan > >

He was joking about his 1:33's. Huge mistake by you and many others. David G Fisher "Herb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > I suppose I can class myself as an insect, since I broke 1.30 at Monza > a couple of times > If you really are as slow as you say you are after owning the game for > 3 years no wonder you're bitter! I broke 1.33 after about a week in > the Cooper and I'm not one of the "fast guys" that you hate with such > a passion. > I can only do about 1.30.xx in the Cooper there now - but I know this: > I'm far less of a danger to myself and other racers (of all abilities) > than I was when I was doing 33's. > > If you can't see that you need to achieve a higher level of all round > control to find the 3 seconds and that improved car control = less > chance of incidents then frankly you're a lost cause.

But did you get a permission slip signed? =) -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I had to contact the miner that dug the coal, > that fired the furnace, that melted the metal, > that made the chips that are on my RAID board..... > He hooked me up! So now I'm patched. HAHAHAHA!!!! > > "Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > > Bite me you whining, ungrateful SOB!! ;-) > > > > You still using N4 version 1.01 ?? =P > > > > Scott > > PA-Scott > > > > "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Ya Poodle Walking Nancy Boy!! ;-) > > > > > > "Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > > > > > > *cough, cough* Hey Tom.. you forgot somebody!! ;) > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > PA-Scott > > > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:keEI7.14560$[email hidden]... > > > > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4 years ago I was probably the only active and vocal member of the > > > > online > > > > > > racing community with extensive experience and background also in > > > > > real-world racing. > > > > > > > > > > <cough> untrue, and also quite ego-centrical. Plenty of us are > > real-life > > > > > racers around the world, and yes even the vocals ones. That was > > > > unecessary, > > > > > you are NOT superior to anybody. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ric Seyler > > > Online Racing: RicSeyler > > > GPL Handicap 7.01 > > > [email hidden] > > > http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler > > > -------------------------------------- > > > "Homer no function beer well without." > > > - H.J. Simpson > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ric Seyler > Online Racing: RicSeyler > GPL Handicap 7.01 > [email hidden] > http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler > -------------------------------------- > "Homer no function beer well without." > - H.J. Simpson > > >

He gave no clue that he was joking ( a <g> or a ;-) is usual) huge mistake?? i think not If thats the case then all those millions of 'i just broke 130 at monza' posts in RAS and LC forum must also be treated with a pinch of salt. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XGXI7.222219$[email hidden]...

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> He was joking about his 1:33's. Huge mistake by you and many others. > > David G Fisher > > "Herb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I suppose I can class myself as an insect, since I broke 1.30 at Monza > > a couple of times > > If you really are as slow as you say you are after owning the game for > > 3 years no wonder you're bitter! I broke 1.33 after about a week in > > the Cooper and I'm not one of the "fast guys" that you hate with such > > a passion. > > I can only do about 1.30.xx in the Cooper there now - but I know this: > > I'm far less of a danger to myself and other racers (of all abilities) > > than I was when I was doing 33's. > > > > If you can't see that you need to achieve a higher level of all round > > control to find the 3 seconds and that improved car control = less > > chance of incidents then frankly you're a lost cause. > > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > He was joking when he said that there was cheating in GPL. Huge mistake by > you and many others. I'd say it was a huge mistake by Tom. -- -asbjxrn

Tom, You might wanna check with a lawyer, but taking you words that were posted openly and sending them to a company you represent really is not slander or defimation of charater. I would say it is informing a company about who is representing them. And Tom, you are an idiot, you and BRD just do not know it yet. Dave Tom Pabst <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:v%BI7.12774$[email hidden]... > > PS: To those of you who wrote email to BRD expressing a reasonableconcern > about whether I should be representing their products in the USA, when Iam > at the same time, one of the vocal participants within the online simracing > community....and may at times in that role, be involved in some level of > controversy: May I say that your right to notify of BRD of this concernof > yours is not at issue. But, I would point out to you that BRD is not my > employer, they can not "fire me" as such, and they have been working with > Pabst-Racing for over three years now and they are fully aware of mystatus > within the sim racing community as a vocal participant in it....theyalways > have been. I'm sure BRD is fully capable of making the ongoing decisions > whether I and others who work at Pabst-Racing are good for their businessor > bad for their business....taking into account our technical knowledge ofsim > racing controls (of BRD products and the competition's products), our > participation and assistance with BRD product warranty issues, customertech

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> support for USA based customers, reduction of shipping expense by > warehousing product on US soil...and so forth......along with my > "visibility" in the online sim racing community. > > To the few of you who decided to launch a slur campaign via email to BRD, > extracting "parts of my written r.a.s. posts" lifted out of context and > suited to you contentions.....threatening to boycott or lead a boycott > organizing activity of BRD products on VROC or in other online sim racing > forums......."if I was not fired immediately by BRD"......I say this to

you: > We believe this is blatant and flagrant "defamation of character" and the > International laws, including the local English laws covering this > "corruption of free speech" are as strict and exact as the USA laws have > always been. We have the "email address of record" for those (few)emails, > and the IP address of the computer they were compiled on. You will be > contacted soon about the action we may take against you. The level of > "reasonable responsibility" about what you might post or say on anewsgroup

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> is quite different than the "reasonable responsibility" one has when using > the Internet email system to send messages publicly to individuals and > public companies and corporations. Perhaps some of you were not aware of > that.....you are about to get a very distasteful lesson about this fact, I > would believe? > > > >

Been gone a few days. Lost the beginning of the thread so I'll post here for convenience sake to that self inflated "nobody" Pabst. Who the "fark" am I? Somebody who has watched you rewrite yourself as an authority on things you had litle if nothing to do with. You lie with the ease of the braggart. Period. Were your musings about what went on in R.A.S. or TEN just rememberances of a fond old day then they perhaps could be excused on the basis of looking back on the "good old days". But you seek to insert yourself into the past as if you were seminal or, for that matter some kind of authority in the sim community. You weren't. You know it. You weren't around in the R.A.S. during Hawaii. You weren't on TEN for very long either. Certainly not till the end as you now pretend. Not even close. During TEN I raced in a league made up of folks who helped develop the sim products you allegedly use. I assure you that you weren't involved in any way shape or form with their development. As for your SCCA comments. Really, no one gave a rats ass. They didn't inundate you with queries for advice. On the contrary. Your inability to beat 13 year olds who had the sim for a week coupled with a complete lack of interest in your self aggrandizing " I'm a real driver" posts is probably what drove you off of TEN. But there's no shame in leaving a place where you're ignored. Yet, today , as then you build yourself up as some sort of authority on that part of the sim racing community. You basically spout stuff that isn't true. Y2K Rick was more a part of the sim community than you ever were then. I took you to task on your comments about TEN, as did Ymenard. I will continue to do so as you manufacture these tall tales. Nothing more. Just here to remind you that someone was really there. You just damned well better hope I don't find that old 2 gig drive of mine with your retiring from TEN speech on it. > I don't know what the fark your remark was about "saying goodbye and going > > off to make sim racing better for everyone".....you pulled that out of > your > > arse for sure. I left TEN the same month you did....when it closed. It was goodbye to go and " pave the way " to make sim racing better for us. Your words, your arse. You weren't the only vocal real race car driveron TEN. There are and were plenty of others during TEN and beyond. You weren't paying attention. They weren't beating us over the head with ego inflating tomes like you were. So start your inane " See what I did " post. I'm hoping it'll include your track building and programming skills. ;)But in fact, Pabst, you could build the perfect sim and it still wouldn't erase the fact that you are arrogant. " Those who weren't around for history tend to rewrite it". gavel Have a wonderful day. Your most ardent fan, Gavel

No offense taken Goy... it is one of the more pathetic aspects of our society. Oopps, I just burped too hard and my nose hurts. I think I'll call my lawyer and sue Pepsi for pain and suffering for not having a warning label that says drinking their product could cause me to burp. I'll save you the spiel on how it's related to the 'liberal' and 'politically correct' aspect that ran rapid in the 90s and how everything that goes wrong in your life is someone else's fault. Damn Socialists ;-) Scott PA-Scott "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Jan Verschueren wrote: > > > > Oh dear, a hypocrite with a lawyer. Sad. > > ROFL, I'm sorry but I find that funny as hell > > Guess us Europeans aren't too impressed about the "I've called my > lawyer" comment, no offense to our US cousins intended, just an > observation about cultural differences really > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > http://www.teammirage.com > > "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" > --Groucho Marx--

On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 04:31:56 -0800, "Gavel" <[email hidden]> wrote: > You just damned well >better hope I don't find that old 2 gig drive of mine with your retiring >from TEN speech on it. 2 gig was enough for that speech? :) Andre

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> > No offense taken Goy... it is one of the more pathetic aspects of our > society. Oopps, I just burped too hard and my nose hurts. I think I'll > call my lawyer and sue Pepsi for pain and suffering for not having a warning > label that says drinking their product could cause me to burp. > > I'll save you the spiel on how it's related to the 'liberal' and > 'politically correct' aspect that ran rapid in the 90s and how everything > that goes wrong in your life is someone else's fault. Damn Socialists ;-)

Actually, although I kinda agree with you on the point of a lot of people tending to blame their problems on others, I believe this problem is actually the lawyer's and the judicial system's fault.... If you give people the chance to make an easy buck, most people will take it, especially if you're not actually "steeling" it from an individual, but taking it from a big ass insurance company or something, so at some point, some ambulance chasing lawyer sat down and figured out he could make a ton of money by suing on other people's behalf for some stupid mistake or something, others saw what he was doing and hey presto, we have a new business going..... And people wonder why I don't like lawyers.......isn't there an Eagles song about this; "We'll kill all the lawyers" or something, can't remember which song though Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

> And people wonder why I don't like lawyers.......isn't there an Eagles > song about this; "We'll kill all the lawyers" or something, can't > remember which song though Yeah, Goy, it's called Get Over It and it was one of four new songs on the Hell Freezes Over album from awhile back. Great stuff. Ryan

Yes Goy... The Eagles "Get over it". I've posted the lyrics on several occasions ;) You are also correct about the lawyers and judicial system. There should be penalties for people who chase settlement dollars in case after case against companies. These lawyers drool over class action suits. The 'plaintiffs' get $1.50 and the lawyer walks away with $10 million. I also know people who think its 'free' money since it comes from the insurance companies. A couple of solutions, IMHO: 1) No % of claim payment. I know they will argue that plaintiffs then could not afford to hire attorneys, but if that is the case then put an upper limit on the reward based on hours spent on the case. 2) Higher penalties for those who bring false cases to the courts. Make them pay the defendents expenses if the judge determines the case has no merit as well as fines. 3) "Kill all the lawyers" ;) Scott PA-Scott "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > "Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > > > No offense taken Goy... it is one of the more pathetic aspects of our > > society. Oopps, I just burped too hard and my nose hurts. I thinkI'll > > call my lawyer and sue Pepsi for pain and suffering for not having awarning > > label that says drinking their product could cause me to burp. > > > > I'll save you the spiel on how it's related to the 'liberal' and > > 'politically correct' aspect that ran rapid in the 90s and howeverything > > that goes wrong in your life is someone else's fault. Damn Socialists;-)

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> > Actually, although I kinda agree with you on the point of a lot of > people tending to blame their problems on others, I believe this problem > is actually the lawyer's and the judicial system's fault.... > > If you give people the chance to make an easy buck, most people will > take it, especially if you're not actually "steeling" it from an > individual, but taking it from a big ass insurance company or something, > so at some point, some ambulance chasing lawyer sat down and figured out > he could make a ton of money by suing on other people's behalf for some > stupid mistake or something, others saw what he was doing and hey > presto, we have a new business going..... > > And people wonder why I don't like lawyers.......isn't there an Eagles > song about this; "We'll kill all the lawyers" or something, can't > remember which song though > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

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> > > And people wonder why I don't like lawyers.......isn't there an Eagles > > song about this; "We'll kill all the lawyers" or something, can't > > remember which song though > > Yeah, Goy, it's called Get Over It and it was one of four new songs on the > Hell Freezes Over album from awhile back. Great stuff.

Right, Husted's fav song....:-) Yeah, that's a good album, I'm gonna play it tonight I think :-), thx Ryan Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

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> > Yes Goy... The Eagles "Get over it". I've posted the lyrics on several > occasions ;) > > You are also correct about the lawyers and judicial system. There should be > penalties for people who chase settlement dollars in case after case against > companies. These lawyers drool over class action suits. The 'plaintiffs' > get $1.50 and the lawyer walks away with $10 million. I also know people > who think its 'free' money since it comes from the insurance companies. > > A couple of solutions, IMHO: > > 1) No % of claim payment. I know they will argue that plaintiffs then > could not afford to hire attorneys, but if that is the case then put an > upper limit on the reward based on hours spent on the case. > > 2) Higher penalties for those who bring false cases to the courts. Make > them pay the defendents expenses if the judge determines the case has no > merit as well as fines. > > 3) "Kill all the lawyers"

Sounds like a plan....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

wtf are you talking about. The huge mistake comes everytime Tom opens his mouth. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MFXI7.222217$[email hidden]...

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> He was joking when he said that there was cheating in GPL. Huge mistake by > you and many others. > > David G Fisher > > "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:pMLI7.372$[email hidden]... > >> Yes sir, Mr. Pabst, sir!! We were all "expecting" you to post "proof"

of > > all this cheating too, so when that happens, I'll gladly put in $20 for > > VROC. I was simply commenting on your absence from RAS over the last~10

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> > days or so, that's it. Anyway, my name's not jack. > > > > Ryan > > > > > >

Goy Larsen wrote: > > ...isn't there an Eagles song about this; "We'll kill all the lawyers" or something, can't > remember which song though "...Ol' Willie was right Let's kill all the lawyers, kill 'em tonight..." from "Get Over It" -- Don Henley Come to think of it, "Get Over It" is excellent advice, if I may be allowed to say so, that applies equally to everyone involved in this thread... I'll probably regret saying this (NAAAaaaahhhhh!), but if all the collective energy involved in this particular thread could have been harnessed for useful purposes, RAS could have singlehandedly captured Bin Laden, cured cancer, and gotten a new brain for George W. Bush so he didn't have to keep borrowing Dick Cheney's...

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> > Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > ...isn't there an Eagles song about this; "We'll kill all the lawyers" or something, can't > > remember which song though > > "...Ol' Willie was right > Let's kill all the lawyers, > kill 'em tonight..." > > from "Get Over It" -- Don Henley > > Come to think of it, "Get Over It" is excellent advice, if I may be > allowed to say so, that applies equally to everyone involved in this thread... > > I'll probably regret saying this (NAAAaaaahhhhh!), but if all the > collective energy involved in this particular thread could have been > harnessed for useful purposes, RAS could have singlehandedly captured > Bin Laden, cured cancer, and gotten a new brain for George W. Bush so he > didn't have to keep borrowing Dick Cheney's...

Like you've ever regretted anything you've said in public....:-) Still think Ol' Willie was right though...... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

LOL! Gavel "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 04:31:56 -0800, "Gavel" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > You just damned well > >better hope I don't find that old 2 gig drive of mine with your retiring > >from TEN speech on it. > > 2 gig was enough for that speech? > :) > > Andre

>"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote > I'll save you the spiel on how it's related to the 'liberal' and > 'politically correct' aspect that ran rapid in the 90s and how everything > that goes wrong in your life is someone else's fault. Damn Socialists;-) must... restrain... urge... to slap... the Posse ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Oh, MANY times... TOO many times. Goy Larsen wrote: > > Like you've ever regretted anything you've said in public....:-)

Oh, MANY times... TOO many times. > Like you've ever regretted anything you've said in public....:-)

;-) Scott PA-Scott "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LteJ7.33293$[email hidden]... > >"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I'll save you the spiel on how it's related to the 'liberal' and > > 'politically correct' aspect that ran rapid in the 90s and howeverything

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> > that goes wrong in your life is someone else's fault. Damn Socialists > ;-) > > > must... restrain... urge... to slap... the Posse ;-) > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

Bart Brown wrote: > > Oh, MANY times... TOO many times. > > Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > Like you've ever regretted anything you've said in public....:-) Another hero falls from his too tall pedestall.......oh well, life goes on Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

Tom Pabst <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:v%BI7.12774$[email hidden]... > A few OT comments:<snipped a helluva lot of crap> You know...i would add my own recollections of the way things were on TEN, but i think that shovel Tom's using to dig his own hole is large enough... -- - Will DeRivera - http://www.numic.net - http://www.luxt.com

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>No offense taken Goy... it is one of the more pathetic aspects of our >society. Oopps, I just burped too hard and my nose hurts. I think I'll >call my lawyer and sue Pepsi for pain and suffering for not having a warning >label that says drinking their product could cause me to burp. > >I'll save you the spiel on how it's related to the 'liberal' and >'politically correct' aspect that ran rapid in the 90s and how everything >that goes wrong in your life is someone else's fault. Damn Socialists ;-) >

From one of the humor lists I'm subscribed to: Laffaday: Somebody sent me this and I thought it was a fitting sign of the times. Let's see if I understand how America works lately... If a woman burns her thighs on the hot coffee she was holding in her lap while driving, she blames the restaurant. If your teen-age son kills himself, you blame the rock 'n' roll music or musician he liked. If you smoke three packs a day for 40 years and die of lung cancer, your family blames the tobacco company. If your daughter gets pregnant by the football captain you blame the school for poor sex education. If your neighbor crashes into a tree while driving home drunk, you blame the bartender. If your cousin gets AIDS because the needle he used to shoot heroin was dirty, you blame the government or not providing clean ones. If your grandchildren are brats without manners, you blame television. If your friend is shot by a deranged madman, you blame the gun manufacturer. And if a crazed person breaks into the cockpit and tries to kill the pilots at 35,000 feet, and the passengers kill him instead, the mother of the deceased blames the airline. I must have lived too long to understand the world as it is anymore. So if I die while my old, wrinkled ass is parked in front of this computer, I want you to blame Bill Gates, OK? -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote: > > I must have lived too long to understand the world as it is anymore. So if I > die while my old, wrinkled ass is parked in front of this computer, I want you > to blame Bill Gates, OK? Actually, we blame him for your presence....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

Quite good Eldred. Scary, but good :) Rafe Mc.

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>From one of the humor lists I'm subscribed to: >Laffaday: >Somebody sent me this and I thought it was a fitting sign of the >times. > >Let's see if I understand how America works lately... > >If a woman burns her thighs on the hot coffee she was holding in her lap while >driving, she blames the restaurant. > >If your teen-age son kills himself, you blame the rock 'n' roll music or >musician he liked. > >If you smoke three packs a day for 40 years and die of lung cancer, your family >blames the tobacco company. > >If your daughter gets pregnant by the football captain you blame the school for >poor sex education. > >If your neighbor crashes into a tree while driving home drunk, you blame the >bartender. > >If your cousin gets AIDS because the needle he used to shoot heroin was dirty, >you blame the government or not providing clean ones. > >If your grandchildren are brats without manners, you blame television. > >If your friend is shot by a deranged madman, you blame the gun manufacturer. > >And if a crazed person breaks into the cockpit and tries to kill the pilots at >35,000 feet, and the passengers kill him instead, the mother of the deceased >blames the airline. > >I must have lived too long to understand the world as it is anymore. So if I >die while my old, wrinkled ass is parked in front of this computer, I want you >to blame Bill Gates, OK?

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > If a woman burns her thighs on the hot coffee she was holding in her lapwhile > driving, she blames the restaurant. > Not that I think the settlement in this case was justifiable, but there were some interesting facts in this case. I have been studying thermal injury to skin and muscle lately, so that's how I came across this. McDonalds used to hold their coffee at about 80�C (180�F), pretty high. Most other restaurants, and the coffee machines at home, hold the coffee at 60�C (140�F). The relationship between temperature of exposure, time of exposure and tissue injury is such that this seemingly small increase in temperature means instant and deep burns if it spills, compared to much less severe consequences at the "normal" temperature. Still, no excuses for driving with coffee in your lap (although she wasn't driving) and also no excuses for wearing really absorbent, pink fleece track pants in any circumstances! Stephen

somewhere....somebody...said Mcdonalds kept their coffee extra hot...to discourage the old farts from sitting around taking up space with cup after cup. That was the basis of the decision, not that she spilled the coffee herself, but that they made a conscious decision, and were even cited several times by the local health department, to overheat the brew. dave henrie "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3bfa0e43$[email hidden]...

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> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > If a woman burns her thighs on the hot coffee she was holding in her lap > while > > driving, she blames the restaurant. > > > > Not that I think the settlement in this case was justifiable, but there

were > some interesting facts in this case. I have been studying thermal injuryto > skin and muscle lately, so that's how I came across this. McDonalds usedto > hold their coffee at about 80�C (180�F), pretty high. Most other > restaurants, and the coffee machines at home, hold the coffee at 60�C > (140�F). The relationship between temperature of exposure, time ofexposure > and tissue injury is such that this seemingly small increase intemperature > means instant and deep burns if it spills, compared to much less severe > consequences at the "normal" temperature. > > Still, no excuses for driving with coffee in your lap (although she wasn't > driving) and also no excuses for wearing really absorbent, pink fleecetrack > pants in any circumstances! > > Stephen > > >

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>Not that I think the settlement in this case was justifiable, but there were >some interesting facts in this case. I have been studying thermal injury to >skin and muscle lately, so that's how I came across this. McDonalds used to >hold their coffee at about 80�C (180�F), pretty high. Most other >restaurants, and the coffee machines at home, hold the coffee at 60�C >(140�F). The relationship between temperature of exposure, time of exposure >and tissue injury is such that this seemingly small increase in temperature >means instant and deep burns if it spills, compared to much less severe >consequences at the "normal" temperature.

Ouch... Of course, I don't DRINK coffee, so it'll never happen to ME...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Getting your 'nads frostbitten through the ice in a "large" coke is no fun either. Jan. ;-) =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > Ouch... Of course, I don't DRINK coffee, so it'll never > happen to ME...<g> > > Eldred

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>EldredP wrote: >> >> I must have lived too long to understand the world as it is anymore. So if >I >> die while my old, wrinkled ass is parked in front of this computer, I want >you >> to blame Bill Gates, OK? > >Actually, we blame him for your presence....:-)

Heyy!!! I didn't say *I* wrote that...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

That's what cup-holders are for. And if your nads are already in the cup-holder, then you have bigger problems than frostbite ;) -Larry "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Getting your 'nads frostbitten through the ice in a "large" coke is no fun > either. > > Jan. ;-) > =--- > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > > "EldredP" wrote... > > <snip> > > Ouch... Of course, I don't DRINK coffee, so it'll never > > happen to ME...<g> > > > > Eldred > >