20 damn good reasons why Papy *SHOULDN'T* make GPL2!!!

Motorsport Magazine December issue 2001 Pages 25 to 45!! "Excess all areas" - a celebration of brute force and brilliance... -- ed_ The GPLEA -------------------------------------- - My name is Elliott Forbes Robinson. Spell it, please. - E-F-R. No, no, spell your name. - E-F-R!!

One very good reason why they shouldn't. Nobody would buy it. David G Fisher "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vGVK7.2088$[email hidden]...

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> Motorsport Magazine > December issue 2001 > Pages 25 to 45!! > "Excess all areas" > - a celebration of brute force and brilliance... > > > -- > ed_ > The GPLEA > -------------------------------------- > - My name is Elliott Forbes Robinson. > Spell it, please. > - E-F-R. > No, no, spell your name. > - E-F-R!! > > >

David G Fisher wrote: > > One very good reason why they shouldn't. > > Nobody would buy it. Why?

Well, I would buy it, so your opinion is wrong..... again. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3uWK7.242355$[email hidden]... > One very good reason why they shouldn't. > > Nobody would buy it. > > David G Fisher > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vGVK7.2088$[email hidden]... > > Motorsport Magazine > > December issue 2001 > > Pages 25 to 45!! > > "Excess all areas" > > - a celebration of brute force and brilliance... > > > > > > -- > > ed_ > > The GPLEA > > -------------------------------------- > > - My name is Elliott Forbes Robinson. > > Spell it, please. > > - E-F-R. > > No, no, spell your name. > > - E-F-R!! > > > > > > > >

David G Fisher wrote in message <3uWK7.242355$[email hidden]>... >One very good reason why they shouldn't. > >Nobody would buy it. > >David G Fisher The GPL community has been crying out for GPL2 for ages, so why all of a sudden would nobody buy it? Lol SpeedFreek.

Wrong, I would buy it :) Did you know GPL actually sold in line with expectations in europe? Sierra said they were not dissapointed with european sales at all. GPL2 has a few things in it's favour to do a little better than GPL, assuming of course that there is a GPL2 in production. For instance- - it's more recent and the cars look much more like modern F1 cars - the cars also look more exciting - it will run much better on current hardware than GPL did when released (I remember running GPL at 16 fps in training) - the cars will have more grip (through downforce) and should be easier to drive - there are more PC owners than 3 years ago - GPL has a good reputation - Papyrus have a good reputation and N4 has spread this reputation wider All things in it's favour. Anyway, I guess DK will be making it mainly because he wants to make it and not simply for sales. Simon. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3uWK7.242355$[email hidden]... > One very good reason why they shouldn't. > > Nobody would buy it. > > David G Fisher

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrot > One very good reason why they shouldn't. > Nobody would buy it. And with this post, DGF shows that he's only a troll, and will always be unless he admits that he actually doesn't give an arse about racing sims, that he never did. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"SpeedFreek" <[email hidden]> wrote > The GPL community has been crying out for GPL2 for ages, so why all of a > sudden would nobody buy it? DGF != the GPL community. He has never been part of it, far or close. He admitted it, that most of his GPL time comes from the demo. He can't understand our view of the situation, considering his external POV. He cannot grabs that GPL sold to the market that it was created for, and it sold pretty well for each and every one of us. That GPL still sells. That GPL in europe sold very well. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

<One major troll post ignored> Rafe Mc On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:08:47 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >One very good reason why they shouldn't. > >Nobody would buy it. > >David G Fisher >

Since Motorsport Mag doesn't make it over to this side of the pond very often...could you summarize what's contained in the pages you mention? Scann photos...links...text ...that would be nice too :) dave henrie "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vGVK7.2088$[email hidden]...

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> Motorsport Magazine > December issue 2001 > Pages 25 to 45!! > "Excess all areas" > - a celebration of brute force and brilliance... > > > -- > ed_ > The GPLEA > -------------------------------------- > - My name is Elliott Forbes Robinson. > Spell it, please. > - E-F-R. > No, no, spell your name. > - E-F-R!! > > >

I'm guessing it's something to do with Can-Am. Also, go to www.ewacars.com for pretty reasonable rates on US "MotorSport" subscriptions - much better than if you go to the publisher directly, I assume because they're shipping in bulk rather than individually. Rick "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lyYK7.55304$[email hidden]...

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> Since Motorsport Mag doesn't make it over to this side of the pond very > often...could you summarize what's contained in the pages you mention? > Scann photos...links...text ...that would be nice too :) > dave henrie > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vGVK7.2088$[email hidden]... > > Motorsport Magazine > > December issue 2001 > > Pages 25 to 45!! > > "Excess all areas" > > - a celebration of brute force and brilliance... > > > > > > -- > > ed_ > > The GPLEA > > -------------------------------------- > > - My name is Elliott Forbes Robinson. > > Spell it, please. > > - E-F-R. > > No, no, spell your name. > > - E-F-R!! > > > > > > > >

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ucYK7.24073$[email hidden]... > He can't understand our view of the situation, considering his externalPOV. Spoken like a true simmer!

Dang! Those are cheaper prices?? I'm glad I'm poor enough NOT to be tempted...some of those looked very interesting..:) Thanks for the URL... dave henrie "Rick Baumhauer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9thqe7$2o8gl$[email hidden]... > I'm guessing it's something to do with Can-Am. Also, go towww.ewacars.com > for pretty reasonable rates on US "MotorSport" subscriptions - much better > than if you go to the publisher directly, I assume because they'reshipping

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> in bulk rather than individually. > > Rick > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lyYK7.55304$[email hidden]... > > Since Motorsport Mag doesn't make it over to this side of the pond

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> > often...could you summarize what's contained in the pages you mention? > > Scann photos...links...text ...that would be nice too :) > > dave henrie > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:vGVK7.2088$[email hidden]... > > > Motorsport Magazine > > > December issue 2001 > > > Pages 25 to 45!! > > > "Excess all areas" > > > - a celebration of brute force and brilliance... > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ed_ > > > The GPLEA > > > -------------------------------------- > > > - My name is Elliott Forbes Robinson. > > > Spell it, please. > > > - E-F-R. > > > No, no, spell your name. > > > - E-F-R!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

The GPL community is a very small group in relation to the mainstream market.... GPL2 wouldn't sell enough for Papy to break even on the project. CW "SpeedFreek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9thi2p$2pgnf$[email hidden]...

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> David G Fisher wrote in message > <3uWK7.242355$[email hidden]>... > >One very good reason why they shouldn't. > > > >Nobody would buy it. > > > >David G Fisher > > > The GPL community has been crying out for GPL2 for ages, so why all of a > sudden would nobody buy it? > > Lol SpeedFreek. > >

>"Cowen Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote > The GPL community is a very small group in relation to the mainstream > market.... GPL2 wouldn't sell enough for Papy to break even on theproject. Rubbish. The platform is already there, they have a stable game engine that produced already two solid titles. When will people in the racing community start to learn that selling to a specific market *is* something possible? They do it all the time in the flight sim community, the space sim community, the RPG community, the adventure community, naval sims, war-historic games, etc... Licensing is the only issue here, because the man-hour work on GPL2 wouldn't be that much as the major basis for the sim is already there. Considering that GPL sold pretty well in Europe, and as the rumours unfold, it is enough of a hit to satisfy a second version of the title. GPL did not need an FIA license, I doubt GPL2 would. Less money spent. The only key features left are some principal drivers and the major team licensing. As they were able to get them in GPL (Lotus, Ferrari, etc..), it shouldn't be a problem in GPL2. Their russian artwork team doesn't cost as much as having one in North America, another way to cut the cost of production. You have nothing to stand on stating that it wouldn't sell enough because 1) you don't know how many copies GPL2 would sell (it could be a major hit) and 2) you can't say about the total budget of the speculated GPL2. In the entertainment it's all about taking risks. You only speculate, I can only do that either, but to say that it absolutely cannot break even is just plain FALSE. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:23:21 -0500, "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:ucYK7.24073$[email hidden]... >> He can't understand our view of the situation, considering his external >POV. > >Spoken like a true simmer!

Lol :) Andre

Having fun David? :) For the record, I'd buy it. For the record. I don't think it gonna happen. For the record. I hope I'm wrong. On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:08:47 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >One very good reason why they shouldn't. > >Nobody would buy it. > >David G Fisher Regards all, istoff

>Rubbish. The platform is already there, they have a stable game engine that >produced already two solid titles. When will people in the racing community >start to learn that selling to a specific market *is* something possible? >They do it all the time in the flight sim community, the space sim >community, the RPG community, the adventure community, naval sims, >war-historic games, etc... Agreed, if they can publish games like "trophy bass fishing", deer hunting games and the like...Even MS train sim was reasonably popular, and that is certainly a niche market. If it is done well, then the niche market will embrace it as they have with GPL. Just not with Nascar 4 or Quake 3 sales figures. Rafe Mc

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> > >Rubbish. The platform is already there, they have a stable game engine that > >produced already two solid titles. When will people in the racing community > >start to learn that selling to a specific market *is* something possible? > >They do it all the time in the flight sim community, the space sim > >community, the RPG community, the adventure community, naval sims, > >war-historic games, etc... > > Agreed, if they can publish games like "trophy bass fishing", deer > hunting games and the like...Even MS train sim was reasonably popular, > and that is certainly a niche market. If it is done well, then the > niche market will embrace it as they have with GPL. Just not with > Nascar 4 or Quake 3 sales figures.

Trophy Bass fishing was bloody great actually, we played it over the LAN here at the shop a bit, 4-5 guys sitting around fishing, drinking "spiced" coffee and swapping fishing stories.....not a bad way to spend an evening when it's cold enough outside to freeze your gonads off...:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

"trophy bass fishing" LOL...well said DC Rafe McAuliffe <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > >Rubbish. The platform is already there, they have a stable game enginethat > >produced already two solid titles. When will people in the racingcommunity

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> >start to learn that selling to a specific market *is* something possible? > >They do it all the time in the flight sim community, the space sim > >community, the RPG community, the adventure community, naval sims, > >war-historic games, etc... > > Agreed, if they can publish games like "trophy bass fishing", deer > hunting games and the like...Even MS train sim was reasonably popular, > and that is certainly a niche market. If it is done well, then the > niche market will embrace it as they have with GPL. Just not with > Nascar 4 or Quake 3 sales figures. > > Rafe Mc

Ah. I see you've broken your four month streak of not butting into GPL threads. -- Pat Dotson David G Fisher wrote: > > One very good reason why they shouldn't. > > Nobody would buy it. > > David G Fisher > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vGVK7.2088$[email hidden]... > > Motorsport Magazine > > December issue 2001 > > Pages 25 to 45!! > > "Excess all areas" > > - a celebration of brute force and brilliance... > > > > > > -- > > ed_ > > The GPLEA > > -------------------------------------- > > - My name is Elliott Forbes Robinson. > > Spell it, please. > > - E-F-R. > > No, no, spell your name. > > - E-F-R!! > > > > > >

Wow....I agree with you 100%, Fran�ois!?!?! Marc. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ps%K7.24428$[email hidden]...

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> >"Cowen Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote > > The GPL community is a very small group in relation to the mainstream > > market.... GPL2 wouldn't sell enough for Papy to break even on the > project. > > > Rubbish. The platform is already there, they have a stable game engine

that > produced already two solid titles. When will people in the racingcommunity

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> start to learn that selling to a specific market *is* something possible? > They do it all the time in the flight sim community, the space sim > community, the RPG community, the adventure community, naval sims, > war-historic games, etc... > > > Licensing is the only issue here, because the man-hour work on GPL2

wouldn't > be that much as the major basis for the sim is already there. Considering > that GPL sold pretty well in Europe, and as the rumours unfold, it isenough > of a hit to satisfy a second version of the title. GPL did not need anFIA > license, I doubt GPL2 would. Less money spent. The only key featuresleft > are some principal drivers and the major team licensing. As they wereable > to get them in GPL (Lotus, Ferrari, etc..), it shouldn't be a problem in > GPL2. Their russian artwork team doesn't cost as much as having one in > North America, another way to cut the cost of production. > > > You have nothing to stand on stating that it wouldn't sell enough because1) > you don't know how many copies GPL2 would sell (it could be a major hit)and

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> 2) you can't say about the total budget of the speculated GPL2. In the > entertainment it's all about taking risks. You only speculate, I can only > do that either, but to say that it absolutely cannot break even is just > plain FALSE. > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vGVK7.2088$[email hidden]...

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> Motorsport Magazine > December issue 2001 > Pages 25 to 45!! > "Excess all areas" > - a celebration of brute force and brilliance... > > > -- > ed_ > The GPLEA > -------------------------------------- > - My name is Elliott Forbes Robinson. > Spell it, please. > - E-F-R. > No, no, spell your name. > - E-F-R!! > > >

DGF's mummy says he pulls his puud too much too! hahahaha :)~ "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zaYK7.24065$[email hidden]...

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| >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrot | > One very good reason why they shouldn't. | > Nobody would buy it. | | | And with this post, DGF shows that he's only a troll, and will always be | unless he admits that he actually doesn't give an arse about racing sims, | that he never did. | | | | | -- | -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> | -- May the Downforce be with you... | -- http://www.ymenard.com/ | -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez | Corporation - helping America into the New World... | | |