Re: Good Video Card for GPL??

I guess that it depends somewhat on your system speed, but generally speaking the Voodoos work fine with GPL, since GPL supports Glide. I've use a Voodoo2 with it and have since upgraded to a voodoo5 (my current card). I'd recommend the Voodoo5. Bla Bla wrote: > Hi, > I'm looking for a good cheap 3d video card for GPL, does anyone have ideas? > How does the Voodoo's work with it? I don't even have money to buy one, but > I still want one.. that's how cheap I want it ;-) hehe -- Bert

Hi, I'm looking for a good cheap 3d video card for GPL, does anyone have ideas? How does the Voodoo's work with it? I don't even have money to buy one, but I still want one.. that's how cheap I want it ;-) hehe

Work with it! LOL. If your only interest is GPL then a Voodoo is the way to go. My V3 runs it nicely on a celeron 950 (but without the new cars, 3d wheels etc :( ). V3's are fairly cheap on ebay these days too. A V5 would be a wee bit better but probably not worth the extra cash, especially if your cpu is slow (ie less than a P3 850?). I know a couple guys still running GPL on V2's. Of course with the D3D patch you could run it in a TNT(2?) card but you'd get better performance/$ with a Voodoo card using glide. Ken Bla Bla wrote: > Hi, > I'm looking for a good cheap 3d video card for GPL, does anyone have ideas? > How does the Voodoo's work with it? I don't even have money to buy one, but > I still want one.. that's how cheap I want it ;-) hehe

voodoo cards do work very well with gpl but 3dfx who makes them has gone out of business. I have a voodoo 1, 2 ,and 5 cards. They all served me well, but now voodoo cards are not a good choice to buy. There is no support in Windows XP for voodoo cards. I got my v5 to work but only in d3d. You would be better off to go to bestbuy on friday between the hours of 7 and noon and TRY to get one of the visiontek geforce 3 ti200 cards. They are $99 after rebate. I have a gf3 that I picked up at newegg. The current price is $229. It will run circles around the voodoo 5. The gf3 ti200 is almost as fast. The memory is just slower. Then get the d3d patch from www.papy.com I run gpl at 1600x1200 at 36fps all the time. I do have a athlon xp processor running at 1549mhz so you may not get that resolution if your cpu is slower. Good Luck! "BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I guess that it depends somewhat on your system speed, but generallyspeaking > the Voodoos work fine with GPL, since GPL supports Glide. I've use aVoodoo2 > with it and have since upgraded to a voodoo5 (my current card). I'drecommend > the Voodoo5. > > Bla Bla wrote: > > > Hi, > > I'm looking for a good cheap 3d video card for GPL, does anyone haveideas? > > How does the Voodoo's work with it? I don't even have money to buy one,but > > I still want one.. that's how cheap I want it ;-) hehe > > -- > Bert > >

"Brian Bowles" wrote: (snipped) > be better off to go to bestbuy on friday between the hours of 7 and noonand > TRY to get one of the visiontek geforce 3 ti200 cards. They are $99 after > rebate. (snipped) Is Best Buy having some big sale that morning? Haven't seen any advertising for it. tia

Not to mention better image quality. I'm a bit disappointed at the poor level of graphics in D3D compared with Glide. My old V3 3000 ran GPL very nicely, but it's not the best with other games tho. If you only want GPL, then 3DFX is the best option... Rafe Mc On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:18:48 GMT, Ken MacKay <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Work with it! LOL. If your only interest is GPL then a Voodoo is the way to >go. My V3 runs it nicely on a celeron 950 (but without the new cars, 3d wheels >etc :( ). V3's are fairly cheap on ebay these days too. A V5 would be a wee >bit better but probably not worth the extra cash, especially if your cpu is >slow (ie less than a P3 850?). I know a couple guys still running GPL on V2's. > >Of course with the D3D patch you could run it in a TNT(2?) card but you'd get >better performance/$ with a Voodoo card using glide. > >Ken > > >Bla Bla wrote: > >> Hi, >> I'm looking for a good cheap 3d video card for GPL, does anyone have ideas? >> How does the Voodoo's work with it? I don't even have money to buy one, but >> I still want one.. that's how cheap I want it ;-) hehe

YES THEY ARE! -- But you better get there early! nobodyspecial wrote:

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> "Brian Bowles" wrote: > (snipped) > > be better off to go to bestbuy on friday between the hours of 7 and noon > and > > TRY to get one of the visiontek geforce 3 ti200 cards. They are $99 after > > rebate. (snipped) > > Is Best Buy having some big sale that morning? Haven't seen any advertising > for it. > > tia

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I hear what you guys are saying but think about this. D3d looked bad with my voodoo. D3d with my gf3 looks a lot better. I would say that the voodoo working in glide is better but voodoo cards are not a good option now because they are out business. If you have any desire at all to upgrade to windows xp, then the voodoo card is a bad choice. Best buy is having a special tomorrow from 7-12 it was in their flier today. The gf3 ti200 is only $99 after a $50 mail in rebate. I am giving my voodoo 5 to my four year old on his computer. He is running windows me and it will work great for him. I always liked my voodoo cards. The v5 was the best one too. I will say that I like the gf3 I have better. It runs way above its stock speed of 200/458. I am running mine at 230/540. I get 116.7 fps in quake 3 at 1600x1200 on high. Maybe if you could find a voodoo 3 or a voodoo 5 for about $40 then it would not be bad. Any more than that would too much. "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Not to mention better image quality. I'm a bit disappointed at the > poor level of graphics in D3D compared with Glide. My old V3 3000 ran > GPL very nicely, but it's not the best with other games tho. If you > only want GPL, then 3DFX is the best option... > > Rafe Mc > > > On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:18:48 GMT, Ken MacKay > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Work with it! LOL. If your only interest is GPL then a Voodoo is the way

to > >go. My V3 runs it nicely on a celeron 950 (but without the new cars, 3dwheels > >etc :( ). V3's are fairly cheap on ebay these days too. A V5 would be awee > >bit better but probably not worth the extra cash, especially if your cpuis > >slow (ie less than a P3 850?). I know a couple guys still running GPL onV2's. > > > >Of course with the D3D patch you could run it in a TNT(2?) card but you'dget

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> >better performance/$ with a Voodoo card using glide. > > > >Ken > > > > > >Bla Bla wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> I'm looking for a good cheap 3d video card for GPL, does anyone have

ideas? > >> How does the Voodoo's work with it? I don't even have money to buy one,but > >> I still want one.. that's how cheap I want it ;-) hehe >

Ken MacKay <[email hidden]> writes: > Work with it! LOL. If your only interest is GPL then a Voodoo is the way to > go. My V3 runs it nicely on a celeron 950 (but without the new cars, 3d wheels > etc :( ). V3's are fairly cheap on ebay these days too. A V5 would be a wee > bit better but probably not worth the extra cash, especially if your cpu is > slow (ie less than a P3 850?). I know a couple guys still running GPL on V2's. Nah, my experience with the V5 says that is perfroms like the V3 when 2xFSAA is enabled. Which is manadatory on race sims :) > Of course with the D3D patch you could run it in a TNT(2?) card but you'd get > better performance/$ with a Voodoo card using glide. But the D3D patch gives the possibility to use hi-res dashboards and so on. It may be only on the V5 though.

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> Ken > > > Bla Bla wrote: > > > Hi, > > I'm looking for a good cheap 3d video card for GPL, does anyone have ideas? > > How does the Voodoo's work with it? I don't even have money to buy one, but > > I still want one.. that's how cheap I want it ;-) hehe >

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"BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > YES THEY ARE! -- But you better get there early! thanks! only 4 hours until 7 so may as well stay up. :-/

V3's are going for $30+ on ebay, $30 on price watch, V5's for around $80+ on ebay, $89 at pricewatch. Was thinking about picking up a v5 for awhile, then a gf2 GTS, and then the gf3ti's, but think I'll hang on to the V3 until I have a good reason to run D3D (ie I get tired of GPL).....unless of course someone has a V5 they want to dust off and sell to me for a good price ;) Ken Brian Bowles wrote:

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> I hear what you guys are saying but think about this. D3d looked bad with my > voodoo. D3d with my gf3 looks a lot better. I would say that the voodoo > working in glide is better but voodoo cards are not a good option now > because they are out business. If you have any desire at all to upgrade to > windows xp, then the voodoo card is a bad choice. Best buy is having a > special tomorrow from 7-12 it was in their flier today. The gf3 ti200 is > only $99 after a $50 mail in rebate. I am giving my voodoo 5 to my four year > old on his computer. He is running windows me and it will work great for > him. I always liked my voodoo cards. The v5 was the best one too. I will say > that I like the gf3 I have better. It runs way above its stock speed of > 200/458. I am running mine at 230/540. I get 116.7 fps in quake 3 at > 1600x1200 on high. Maybe if you could find a voodoo 3 or a voodoo 5 for > about $40 then it would not be bad. Any more than that would too much. > "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Not to mention better image quality. I'm a bit disappointed at the > > poor level of graphics in D3D compared with Glide. My old V3 3000 ran > > GPL very nicely, but it's not the best with other games tho. If you > > only want GPL, then 3DFX is the best option... > > > > Rafe Mc > > > > > > On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:18:48 GMT, Ken MacKay > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Work with it! LOL. If your only interest is GPL then a Voodoo is the way > to > > >go. My V3 runs it nicely on a celeron 950 (but without the new cars, 3d > wheels > > >etc :( ). V3's are fairly cheap on ebay these days too. A V5 would be a > wee > > >bit better but probably not worth the extra cash, especially if your cpu > is > > >slow (ie less than a P3 850?). I know a couple guys still running GPL on > V2's. > > > > > >Of course with the D3D patch you could run it in a TNT(2?) card but you'd > get > > >better performance/$ with a Voodoo card using glide. > > > > > >Ken > > > > > > > > >Bla Bla wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> I'm looking for a good cheap 3d video card for GPL, does anyone have > ideas? > > >> How does the Voodoo's work with it? I don't even have money to buy one, > but > > >> I still want one.. that's how cheap I want it ;-) hehe > >

Considering ONLY GPL for a moment, what's the general consensus on 2 VooDoo2 cards in SLI mode? Just curious. BB Rafe McAuliffe wrote: > > Not to mention better image quality. I'm a bit disappointed at the > poor level of graphics in D3D compared with Glide. My old V3 3000 ran > GPL very nicely, but it's not the best with other games tho.m

Bart Brown <[email hidden]> writes: > Considering ONLY GPL for a moment, what's the general consensus on 2 > VooDoo2 cards in SLI mode? It should perform like the V3 AFAIK.

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> Just curious. > > BB > > Rafe McAuliffe wrote: > > > > Not to mention better image quality. I'm a bit disappointed at the > > poor level of graphics in D3D compared with Glide. My old V3 3000 ran > > GPL very nicely, but it's not the best with other games tho.m

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Bart Brown wrote: > > Considering ONLY GPL for a moment, what's the general consensus on 2 > VooDoo2 cards in SLI mode? If you're prepared to live with the "basic" GPL Gfx and are prepared to sacrifice some details on some tracks, I can't see a V2-SLi setup being a "bad" setup for GPL, but I would expect it to have problems with all the "high res" add on's that you can find these days After all, this is what GPL was designed to run on, that and 8 MB Rendition V2x00 cards, and I was rather pleased with that back then Come to think about it, GPL was the reason I bought my Hercules 3D Thriller V2200 card....now, I know I give nVidia a hard time about crappy drivers, Hercules.....oh man, I even got an e-mail from their tech support advising me to use Rendition's drivers instead, which of course meant I couldn't use the TV out.....good card for GPL though, guess most of the guys at Papy had something similar back then ...:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On 23 Nov 2001 16:02:24 +0100, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote: >Bart Brown <[email hidden]> writes: > >> Considering ONLY GPL for a moment, what's the general consensus on 2 >> VooDoo2 cards in SLI mode? > >It should perform like the V3 AFAIK. Nah, I had both SLI and then a V3 - V3 was quite faster than SLI. Sli in itself was only marginally faster than one V2. I believe it only gained me 2-3 fps in GPL. Andre

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> Bart Brown wrote: > > > > Considering ONLY GPL for a moment, what's the general consensus on 2 > > VooDoo2 cards in SLI mode? > > If you're prepared to live with the "basic" GPL Gfx and are prepared to > sacrifice some details on some tracks, I can't see a V2-SLi setup being > a "bad" setup for GPL, but I would expect it to have problems with all > the "high res" add on's that you can find these days.

A friend of mine has dual 12M V2's and runs the fancy carsets without trouble at most tracks. He has problems (either fill rate or texture thrashing, we're not sure) running the highres carsets at a few of the more demanding tracks like Crystal Palace. He also has troubles with at some of the older tracks that have been updated with 16 bit textures and fancy skies. -GRC ========== Anti-Spam measures have been taken! Remove duplicate letters to reply.

"nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CpnL7.44675$[email hidden]... > > "BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]... > > YES THEY ARE! -- But you better get there early! > > thanks! only 4 hours until 7 so may as well stay up. :-/ Shouldn't have bothered- got there 20 minutes early and there was a huge crowd already there. Store only had a few in stock too, with no rain checks. Walked out empty handed and kind of pissed at myself for taking their lure.

The real drawback with the V3 is the limited texture memory. GPL in it's native form will run great on a V3 (provided you have a good cpu) but if you want to upgrade the graphics with the new large textures, then a V5 and the D3D patch become neccessary. dave henrie "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Considering ONLY GPL for a moment, what's the general consensus on 2 > VooDoo2 cards in SLI mode? > > Just curious. > > BB > > Rafe McAuliffe wrote: > > > > Not to mention better image quality. I'm a bit disappointed at the > > poor level of graphics in D3D compared with Glide. My old V3 3000 ran > > GPL very nicely, but it's not the best with other games tho.m

The initial specs for the V3 was that it was TWICE as fast as two V2s in SLI. The V3 3000 I had (oced from 166 to 200mhz) was pretty good even with 3d wheels and car updates, etc. Usually fine at 1280x1024, although some tracks I had to turn it down to 1024x768. I would imagine that SLI V2s would have trouble running higher than 800x600, they were limited to 1024x768 anyway. This was all with a 1.4 ghz tbird, plenty of CPU power certainly helps it out. :D Rafe Mc On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:49:20 GMT, Bart Brown <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Considering ONLY GPL for a moment, what's the general consensus on 2 >VooDoo2 cards in SLI mode? > >Just curious. > >BB > >Rafe McAuliffe wrote: >> >> Not to mention better image quality. I'm a bit disappointed at the >> poor level of graphics in D3D compared with Glide. My old V3 3000 ran >> GPL very nicely, but it's not the best with other games tho.m

I agree, that's why I dumped my V3 for a GF3. But 3DFX is still the best option for GPL in my book. Just for every other game around that it sucks :P Rafe Mc On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:28:52 GMT, "Brian Bowles" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I hear what you guys are saying but think about this. D3d looked bad with my >voodoo. D3d with my gf3 looks a lot better. I would say that the voodoo >working in glide is better but voodoo cards are not a good option now >because they are out business. If you have any desire at all to upgrade to >windows xp, then the voodoo card is a bad choice. Best buy is having a >special tomorrow from 7-12 it was in their flier today. The gf3 ti200 is >only $99 after a $50 mail in rebate. I am giving my voodoo 5 to my four year >old on his computer. He is running windows me and it will work great for >him. I always liked my voodoo cards. The v5 was the best one too. I will say >that I like the gf3 I have better. It runs way above its stock speed of >200/458. I am running mine at 230/540. I get 116.7 fps in quake 3 at >1600x1200 on high. Maybe if you could find a voodoo 3 or a voodoo 5 for >about $40 then it would not be bad. Any more than that would too much. >"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Not to mention better image quality. I'm a bit disappointed at the >> poor level of graphics in D3D compared with Glide. My old V3 3000 ran >> GPL very nicely, but it's not the best with other games tho. If you >> only want GPL, then 3DFX is the best option... >> >> Rafe Mc >> >> >> On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:18:48 GMT, Ken MacKay >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Work with it! LOL. If your only interest is GPL then a Voodoo is the way >to >> >go. My V3 runs it nicely on a celeron 950 (but without the new cars, 3d >wheels >> >etc :( ). V3's are fairly cheap on ebay these days too. A V5 would be a >wee >> >bit better but probably not worth the extra cash, especially if your cpu >is >> >slow (ie less than a P3 850?). I know a couple guys still running GPL on >V2's. >> > >> >Of course with the D3D patch you could run it in a TNT(2?) card but you'd >get >> >better performance/$ with a Voodoo card using glide. >> > >> >Ken >> > >> > >> >Bla Bla wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking for a good cheap 3d video card for GPL, does anyone have >ideas? >> >> How does the Voodoo's work with it? I don't even have money to buy one, >but >> >> I still want one.. that's how cheap I want it ;-) hehe >> >

Thanks to everyone who responded to my V2/SLI question. So, all other things being equal (which, of course, they never are...) if you had a box with a good AMD processor (1GHz or better), a ton of RAM, Windows 98 (XP is a scam, so was ME) and all the necessary accoutrements, and you had no other use for the box but gaming, particularly (let's say) GPL, GP3, N4, Superbike 2K, GP3, SCGT -- the usual suspects -- what would be the video card of current choice to take advantage of all the textures, add-ons, and enhancements, and still have smooth framerates? BB

Agreed. If memory serves me correctly, I believe that my 2nd V2 allowed me to run GPL at a higher resolution, but detail and frame rates were only marginally better than with one. When I got my V5, it was a BIG improvement. Andre Warringa wrote:

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> On 23 Nov 2001 16:02:24 +0100, [email hidden] (Olav K. > Malmin) wrote: > > >Bart Brown <[email hidden]> writes: > > > >> Considering ONLY GPL for a moment, what's the general consensus on 2 > >> VooDoo2 cards in SLI mode? > > > >It should perform like the V3 AFAIK. > > Nah, I had both SLI and then a V3 - V3 was quite faster than SLI. > Sli in itself was only marginally faster than one V2. I believe it > only gained me 2-3 fps in GPL. > > Andre

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> > Thanks to everyone who responded to my V2/SLI question. So, all other > things being equal (which, of course, they never are...) if you had a > box with a good AMD processor (1GHz or better), a ton of RAM, Windows 98 > (XP is a scam, so was ME) and all the necessary accoutrements, and you > had no other use for the box but gaming, particularly (let's say) GPL, > GP3, N4, Superbike 2K, GP3, SCGT -- the usual suspects -- what would be > the video card of current choice to take advantage of all the textures, > add-ons, and enhancements, and still have smooth framerates?

Money no object ? GF3 Ti500 or ATI Radeon 8500 I'm going with the ATI some time early next year as my V5 runs the only game I'm currently playing very well and it looks superb, the game that is, not the V5 If you're not looking to spend too much money you can get a good deal on a GF2 PRO/TI or one of the outgoing ATI Radeon 64 MB DDR cards, somewhere between 100 and 150 US, some people speak highly of the "Kyro" cards as well, but I have mixed feeling about those, no personal experience though !, with a 1 Ghz + CPU I wouldn't go with a low end GF2 MX or ATI Radeon VE Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke" --Groucho Marx--

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>Money no object ? > >GF3 Ti500 or ATI Radeon 8500 > >I'm going with the ATI some time early next year as my V5 runs the only >game I'm currently playing very well and it looks superb, the game that >is, not the V5 > >If you're not looking to spend too much money you can get a good deal on >a GF2 PRO/TI or one of the outgoing ATI Radeon 64 MB DDR cards, >somewhere between 100 and 150 US, some people speak highly of the "Kyro" >cards as well, but I have mixed feeling about those, no personal >experience though !, with a 1 Ghz + CPU I wouldn't go with a low end GF2 >MX or ATI Radeon VE

I agree, but would add a middle option if you want a GREAT deal for a reasonable price. Get a GF3 ti 200 for around US$ 170-220 and overclock it to ti 500 specs. Best brands are Leadtek and Gainward, they are virtually guaranteed to get to the higher spec card, and also beat it :) Visiontek are also not bad, but hit-and-miss, some do REALLY well, others only average. Check out this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=593596 for a comprehensive roundup of everyone's results. BTW, for those who don't know, the ti 200 runs at 175mhz core, 400 mhz RAM. Standard GF3 is 200 core, 460 RAM. The ti 500 is at 230 core, 500 RAM. No other difference. My leadtek runs at 225 core, 540 RAM, so not a bad buy :) Well worth it. Rafe Mc