GPL and XP

Is anyone successfully running GPL with a Radeon card on Windows XP? I added the driver from papy for OpenGL (was worth a try), but I'm getting .75 frames per second. On a prior version of the os, same machine, I got 35+. GPL sees the OpenGL driver, but I'm thinking that the hardware acceleration just isn't happening.

have you tried the d3d patch for gpl? dh "hard_at_it" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BfgL7.3300$[email hidden]... > Is anyone successfully running GPL with a Radeon card on Windows XP? I > added the driver from papy for OpenGL (was worth a try), but I'm getting.75 > frames per second. On a prior version of the os, same machine, I got 35+. > GPL sees the OpenGL driver, but I'm thinking that the hardwareacceleration > just isn't happening. > >

"hard_at_it" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BfgL7.3300$[email hidden]... > Is anyone successfully running GPL with a Radeon card on Windows XP? I > added the driver from papy for OpenGL (was worth a try), but I'm getting.75 > frames per second. On a prior version of the os, same machine, I got 35+. > GPL sees the OpenGL driver, but I'm thinking that the hardwareacceleration > just isn't happening. I can't even get GPL running on XP. See the GPL splash screen then it drops to the desktop. Are you using NTFS or FAT32? I think my problem is relatd to NTFS. If I didn't have this problem I could see how GPL runs on the Radeon 8500 and maybe help you out.

hard_at_it wrote in message ... >Is anyone successfully running GPL with a Radeon card on Windows XP Use the D3D patch at papy.com. The OpenGL renderer sucks on ATi cards. D3D is almost perfect. I have GPL running on XP, ATi Radeon 32 DDR full resolution, all options on and never a problem. If you're unlucky enough to start the game and see an all black speedo with a big fat white needle then the ATi drivers weren't installed correctly... took me a day or two to figure that one out. Dale.

D3D patch worked fine for me. Thanks for the suggestion Dave. Also, I just found the followingon the ATI web site: The RADEON driver included with Windows XP does NOT support OpenGL. This would explain why I was having issues. A new driver is available on the Radeon site. I'm going to wait a bit before I install the new Radeon driver.... For STP - I'm very definietly running NTFS and it is working fine. Let's see if we can figure out why you are dropping out. There is apparantly a phase in GPL startup when the app screws around with the video card (maybe the audio card too). You can disable it talking to the video card by going into the app.ini file in the GPL directory and set lastRasterizerDLL = softdll.dll. Then start GPL. If the sim now starts, then you know something is going on with the video card. To edit the app.ini, go to start, run, notepad. Then file, open, and browse to the GPL directory to find the file. "STP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fImL7.203$[email hidden]...

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> > "hard_at_it" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BfgL7.3300$[email hidden]... > > Is anyone successfully running GPL with a Radeon card on Windows XP? I > > added the driver from papy for OpenGL (was worth a try), but I'm getting > .75 > > frames per second. On a prior version of the os, same machine, I got

35+. > > GPL sees the OpenGL driver, but I'm thinking that the hardware > acceleration > > just isn't happening. > > I can't even get GPL running on XP. See the GPL splash screen then itdrops > to the desktop. Are you using NTFS or FAT32? I think my problem is relatdto > NTFS. If I didn't have this problem I could see how GPL runs on the Radeon > 8500 and maybe help you out. > > >

What speed cpu are you running.? dan "hard_at_it" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BfgL7.3300$[email hidden]... > Is anyone successfully running GPL with a Radeon card on Windows XP? I > added the driver from papy for OpenGL (was worth a try), but I'm getting.75 > frames per second. On a prior version of the os, same machine, I got 35+. > GPL sees the OpenGL driver, but I'm thinking that the hardwareacceleration > just isn't happening. > >

"hard_at_it" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MdwL7.380$[email hidden]... > For STP - I'm very definietly running NTFS and it is working fine. > > Let's see if we can figure out why you are dropping out. There is > apparantly a phase in GPL startup when the app screws around with thevideo > card (maybe the audio card too). You can disable it talking to the video > card by going into the app.ini file in the GPL directory and set > lastRasterizerDLL = softdll.dll. Then start GPL. If the sim now starts, > then you know something is going on with the video card. > > To edit the app.ini, go to start, run, notepad. Then file, open, andbrowse > to the GPL directory to find the file. I already checked that and it was already set to softdll.dll. I even uninstalled it and reinstalled on the boot partition as per someone elses suggestion, and it still won't run. Have tried it unpatched, 1.2us patch, D3D patch....all no go.

"DG" <nospam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Use the D3D patch at papy.com. The OpenGL renderer sucks on ATi cards.D3D > is almost perfect. Not their latest drivers for the R8500. They have improved the Opengl renderer greatly. IL-2 uses OpenGL and it runs as good on the R8500 as it did on the GF3 I had in here recently.

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> >"DG" <nospam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >> Use the D3D patch at papy.com. The OpenGL renderer sucks on ATi cards. >D3D >> is almost perfect. > >Not their latest drivers for the R8500. They have improved the Opengl >renderer greatly. IL-2 uses OpenGL and it runs as good on the R8500 as it >did on the GF3 I had in here recently.

I worded that badly. The *Papy* OpenGL renderer sucks on ATi cards. ATi OpenGL is beautiful. Half-Life looks great with it. I've used ATi cards since my P75... ATi's OpenGL has always been great. Dale.

If you have lastrasterizerdll set to softdll.dll, I think, not sure, but I think you are telling GPL to use no hardware assist for video. What else is running on this system, and are you running the final release or are you still running an early beta? "STP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fTyL7.232$[email hidden]...

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> > "hard_at_it" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MdwL7.380$[email hidden]... > > For STP - I'm very definietly running NTFS and it is working fine. > > > > Let's see if we can figure out why you are dropping out. There is > > apparantly a phase in GPL startup when the app screws around with the > video > > card (maybe the audio card too). You can disable it talking to the

video > > card by going into the app.ini file in the GPL directory and set > > lastRasterizerDLL = softdll.dll. Then start GPL. If the sim nowstarts,

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> > then you know something is going on with the video card. > > > > To edit the app.ini, go to start, run, notepad. Then file, open, and > browse > > to the GPL directory to find the file. > > I already checked that and it was already set to softdll.dll. I even > uninstalled it and reinstalled on the boot partition as per someone elses > suggestion, and it still won't run. > Have tried it unpatched, 1.2us patch, D3D patch....all no go. > > >

"hard_at_it" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Y8DL7.1106$[email hidden]... > If you have lastrasterizerdll set to softdll.dll, I think, not sure, but I > think you are telling GPL to use no hardware assist for video. I've unisntalled it now. But, I could'nt even get into the game to set the renderer anyway. But, app.ini was set to use software mode. I even tried changing it manually to D3D. > What else is running on this system, and are you running the final release > or are you still running an early beta? Yea, final release. Someone posted to me on this problem in another thread and he thinks it's because I'm using NTFS and not FAT32. If I had converted to NTFS from FAT32 while GPL was installed it would work on the boot partition. But, I wiped all my partitions clean and converted all partitions to NTFS beofre installing XP so that is why it won't run. I could convert one parttion to FAT32, but then I would lose the data on it so don't want to do that right now. I'll just have to wait until GPL2 comes out. :-)

"DG" <nospam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I worded that badly. > > The *Papy* OpenGL renderer sucks on ATi cards. ATi OpenGL is beautiful. > Half-Life looks great with it. I've used ATi cards since my P75... ATi's > OpenGL has always been great. OK, got you now. I guess I'll have to use D3D then when I get around to re-installing N4. Can't you force N4 to use the ATI Opengl files dll's instead of Papy's by deleting their version form the N4 folder? It should then use the Opengl dll's in the system32 folders. No?

On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:58:16 GMT, "hard_at_it" <[email hidden]> wrote: >If you have lastrasterizerdll set to softdll.dll, I think, not sure, but I >think you are telling GPL to use no hardware assist for video. That is true, but GPL doesn't use any hardware acceleration until you enter the cockpit and drive away. It will only be using the 2D drivers when it starts up. I have heard of the res problem you mentioned previously, this could be the cause of it (hopefully). Try setting your desktop to 640x480, 16bit color, 60 hz and see if that helps. Rafe Mc

I just don't believe the issue is NTFS. I'm running NTFS. I've seen another post of people running NTFS. And I did a complete clean load of XP on a brand new hard drive. I think you are having some other problem. Given the problems I've had with video and GPL in the past, that is the first place I would start. clean load, use the out of the box drivers from Microsoft and at least see if the thing comes up. Then start changing things. Good luck I used to have a problem where "STP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LyGL7.324$[email hidden]... > > "hard_at_it" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Y8DL7.1106$[email hidden]... > > If you have lastrasterizerdll set to softdll.dll, I think, not sure, butI

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> > think you are telling GPL to use no hardware assist for video. > > I've unisntalled it now. But, I could'nt even get into the game to set the > renderer anyway. But, app.ini was set to use software mode. I even tried > changing it manually to D3D. > > > What else is running on this system, and are you running the final

release > > or are you still running an early beta? > > Yea, final release. Someone posted to me on this problem in another thread > and he thinks it's because I'm using NTFS and not FAT32. If I hadconverted > to NTFS from FAT32 while GPL was installed it would work on the boot > partition. But, I wiped all my partitions clean and converted allpartitions > to NTFS beofre installing XP so that is why it won't run. I could convert > one parttion to FAT32, but then I would lose the data on it so don't wantto > do that right now. I'll just have to wait until GPL2 comes out. :-) > > > >

"hard_at_it" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%eRL7.2241$[email hidden]... > I just don't believe the issue is NTFS. I'm running NTFS. I've seen > another post of people running NTFS. And I did a complete clean load ofXP > on a brand new hard drive. I think you are having some other problem. > Given the problems I've had with video and GPL in the past, that is the > first place I would start. clean load, use the out of the box driversfrom > Microsoft and at least see if the thing comes up. Then start changing > things. > > Good luck OK, thx. I'm not interested in this title enough anymore (sacrilege, I know) to go screwing around with my drivers when I have already tried it on two sets of video drivers and I like the drivers I have now because they solve a problem with FS2002, which I would rather play than GPL anyway. I'll just leave it hanging for now until the next driver upgrade.