No-CD for the patch here!

Hi Boys, on F1-UMDS (www.drivingitalia.com/f12k1tutorial) you can find the No-CD for the patch

"DB" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio news:9tpes2$j6c$[email hidden]... > Hi Boys, on F1-UMDS (www.drivingitalia.com/f12k1tutorial) you can find the > No-CD for the patch thanks a lot, we are proud that you encourage piracy!

The CD-Check on retail software does not discourage piracy. Quite the reverse. I suppose EA subscribe to prohibitionist doctrines as well? I use no-cd on a legal copy of this game btw. All protection does is piss off legitimate users and slow loading times. iksteh "EA employed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JJ3M7.170421$[email hidden]... > > "DB" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:9tpes2$j6c$[email hidden]... > > Hi Boys, on F1-UMDS (www.drivingitalia.com/f12k1tutorial) you can findthe > > No-CD for the patch > > thanks a lot, we are proud that you encourage piracy! > >

"iksteh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c00e2b9$0$13482$[email hidden]... : The CD-Check on retail software does not discourage piracy. : Quite the reverse. I suppose EA subscribe to prohibitionist : doctrines as well? : : I use no-cd on a legal copy of this game btw. All protection : does is piss off legitimate users and slow loading times. : Exactly. They need another way to register to protect their software. Maybe they should go the online registration route, unique reg codes, or even phone in.

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> "iksteh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3c00e2b9$0$13482$[email hidden]... > : The CD-Check on retail software does not discourage piracy. > : Quite the reverse. I suppose EA subscribe to prohibitionist > : doctrines as well? > : > : I use no-cd on a legal copy of this game btw. All protection > : does is piss off legitimate users and slow loading times. > : > Exactly. They need another way to register to protect their software. > Maybe they should go the online registration route, unique reg codes, or > even phone in. >

It doesn't really matter what kind of copy-protection they use - it will always be inconvenient to the user. And it will always be bypassed in one way or another by those who want to. /TMaarlund

And i hate self righteous people telling me how i should act or what i should do.. Keep your opinion to yourself. Thanks for the tip on the NO cd patche. Comes in handy when you have to locate the cd in the dark... "Thomas M�rlund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c00f1a0$0$47262$[email hidden]...

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> > "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:o06M7.63678$[email hidden]... > > "iksteh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3c00e2b9$0$13482$[email hidden]... > > : The CD-Check on retail software does not discourage piracy. > > : Quite the reverse. I suppose EA subscribe to prohibitionist > > : doctrines as well? > > : > > : I use no-cd on a legal copy of this game btw. All protection > > : does is piss off legitimate users and slow loading times. > > : > > Exactly. They need another way to register to protect their software. > > Maybe they should go the online registration route, unique reg codes, or > > even phone in. > > > > It doesn't really matter what kind of copy-protection they use - it will > always be inconvenient to the user. And it will always be bypassed in one > way or another by those who want to. > > /TMaarlund > >

> "DB" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:9tpes2$j6c$[email hidden]... > > Hi Boys, on F1-UMDS (www.drivingitalia.com/f12k1tutorial) you can findthe > > No-CD for the patch > > thanks a lot, we are proud that you encourage piracy! Without getting into how a cd check prevents piracy(here's a clue cd checks don't stop pirates) why not take a page from the Microsoft book...(gasp did I just say that?) I buy the game. The cd is needed to run. Until I register the product. Then a key # is given to me that disables the cd check.. I buy all my software these days...although not always at full retail....and whenEVER possible I defeat the cd checking. If I, a no-code-talent end user can bypass these simple copy protection schemes, HOW ON EARTH DO CORPARATE EXECS JUSTIFY PAYING COPY PROTECTION COMPANIES FOR THEIR BOGUS PRODUCTS???????? I think I need to start a new company...Dave's Software Protection. Pay ME tons of cash and I personally will travel to each and every user's home and verify that they have the cd in place. That is NO more ridiculous than SecureRom or those other so-called copy protection programs. dave henrie

Its great how because its inconvienent for the legitimate owners, they even will rationalize that software piracy is ok. Why don't all you people that complain about how the existing methods don't work, expend your energy on developing a better method to prevent it, instead of expending all of your energy on bitching about it? -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TM8M7.75274$[email hidden]... > > "DB" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio > > news:9tpes2$j6c$[email hidden]... > > > Hi Boys, on F1-UMDS (www.drivingitalia.com/f12k1tutorial) you can find > the > > > No-CD for the patch > > > > thanks a lot, we are proud that you encourage piracy! > Without getting into how a cd check prevents piracy(here's a clue cd > checks don't stop pirates) why not take a page from the Microsoft > book...(gasp did I just say that?) I buy the game. The cd is needed to > run. Until I register the product. Then a key # is given to me that > disables the cd check.. > I buy all my software these days...although not always at full > retail....and whenEVER possible I defeat the cd checking. If I, a > no-code-talent end user can bypass these simple copy protection schemes, > HOW ON EARTH DO CORPARATE EXECS JUSTIFY PAYING COPY PROTECTION COMPANIES FOR > THEIR BOGUS PRODUCTS???????? > I think I need to start a new company...Dave's Software Protection. Pay > ME tons of cash and I personally will travel to each and every user's home > and verify that they have the cd in place. That is NO more ridiculous than > SecureRom or those other so-called copy protection programs. > dave henrie > > >

Just to clarify...how is removing copy protection by a legitimate owner(ME!) engaging in piracy? Beleive me, in my younger days I'd go to swap meets where we'd all bring out hundreds of floppy's and copy stuff back and forth...spent all night doing that... So I know what pirating is. But I don't see the connection between legitimate owners removing copy protection. I have probably a dozen or so cp protected programs on my hard drive, all have had the copy protection bypassed, yet NONE have been distrubuted for use by others. And...near the beginning of the thread, I gave one possible solution. So I'm carping and offering solutions. dave henrie "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LKaM7.128693$[email hidden]... > Its great how because its inconvienent for the legitimate owners, theyeven > will rationalize that software piracy is ok. Why don't all you peoplethat

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> complain about how the existing methods don't work, expend your energy on > developing a better method to prevent it, instead of expending all of your > energy on bitching about it? > > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:TM8M7.75274$[email hidden]... > > > "DB" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio > > > news:9tpes2$j6c$[email hidden]... > > > > Hi Boys, on F1-UMDS (www.drivingitalia.com/f12k1tutorial) you can

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> > run. Until I register the product. Then a key # is given to me that > > disables the cd check.. > > I buy all my software these days...although not always at full > > retail....and whenEVER possible I defeat the cd checking. If I, a > > no-code-talent end user can bypass these simple copy protection schemes, > > HOW ON EARTH DO CORPARATE EXECS JUSTIFY PAYING COPY PROTECTION COMPANIES > FOR > > THEIR BOGUS PRODUCTS???????? > > I think I need to start a new company...Dave's Software Protection.

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> > and verify that they have the cd in place. That is NO more ridiculous > than > > SecureRom or those other so-called copy protection programs. > > dave henrie > > > > > > > >

Yes, it is inconvenient for the legitimate owners, especially considering that the individuals who use the warez versions of the same software don't have that inconvenience. Is that fair ? I think not ! I really don't give a crap how they implement copy protection as long as I don't have the inconvenience of requiring a CD to run my software when the warez version has had it removed and I can make a back up copy for my personal use (I am quite entitled to do that). I don't condone software piracy, but the current protection schemes don't work and in many cases prevent the legitimate user from playing a game. Very poor state of affairs IMO. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Biz <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LKaM7.128693$[email hidden]... > Its great how because its inconvienent for the legitimate owners, they even > will rationalize that software piracy is ok. Why don't all you people that > complain about how the existing methods don't work, expend your energy on > developing a better method to prevent it, instead of expending all of your > energy on bitching about it? > > -- > Biz

Biz wrote: > > Its great how because its inconvienent for the legitimate owners, they even > will rationalize that software piracy is ok. Why don't all you people that > complain about how the existing methods don't work, expend your energy on > developing a better method to prevent it, instead of expending all of your > energy on bitching about it? It's not *my* job to do *their* job for them. Currect state of affairs in copy protection sucks, no doubt. How can it prevent piracy when only legite copys have it? Warez is copy-protection free. Sheesh. -- Fester

i agree. as a programmer, i've given up on trying to protect any software i've written. f1 2001 set an example by being sold for a lower price than other competing products. *thats* the way to discourage piracy imo. On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:13:39 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> "DB" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio >> news:9tpes2$j6c$[email hidden]... >> > Hi Boys, on F1-UMDS (www.drivingitalia.com/f12k1tutorial) you can find >the >> > No-CD for the patch >> > I think I need to start a new company...Dave's Software Protection. Pay >ME tons of cash and I personally will travel to each and every user's home >and verify that they have the cd in place. That is NO more ridiculous than >SecureRom or those other so-called copy protection programs. >dave henrie > >

Regards all, istoff

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> The CD-Check on retail software does not discourage piracy. > Quite the reverse. I suppose EA subscribe to prohibitionist > doctrines as well? > > I use no-cd on a legal copy of this game btw. All protection > does is piss off legitimate users and slow loading times. > > iksteh

with complete installation cd is required only to check that you've original copy of the game, no files are loaded from cd.during the game. this step is only one or two seconds long. if you've regular cd, install the official patch and play the game. if cd is damaged go to ea support page and ask for sostitution:soon your local store will give you a new copy.

You are missing the point of the conversation here. The common thread appears to be that spending time or effort developing copy protection systems is pointless as anything that has been developed in the past has failed and the skillsets of those cracking the copy protection exceeds the skillset of those making it. iksteh "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LKaM7.128693$[email hidden]... > Its great how because its inconvienent for the legitimate owners, theyeven > will rationalize that software piracy is ok. Why don't all you peoplethat > complain about how the existing methods don't work, expend your energy on > developing a better method to prevent it, instead of expending all of your > energy on bitching about it?<snip>

warning - rant follows. "EA employed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PdfM7.176082$[email hidden]... > with complete installation cd is required only to check that you'veoriginal > copy of the game, no files are loaded from cd.during the game. You're missing the point mate. With the no-cd installation the cd is not required at all! You are not required to show your drivers license and proof of purchase every time you play the game. > this step is only one or two seconds long. ok - can i bill you for cumulative time wasted? Careful because I've already recouped the cost of the game on this and waiting for re-draws with the 21.83 nvidia drivers. Lets see - on my machine, in two seconds, your software can either : a> draw 140-160 frames of sexy 3d artwork, simulate a formula one car in all it's glory, run an AI engine, generate 3d sound and run a force feedback device. or b> check for a few bytes on a cd. is the inefficiency apparent yet? At least get with the times and remove the cd-rom bottleneck from your protection systems. > if you've regular cd, install the official patch and play the game. > if cd is damaged go to ea support page and ask for sostitution:soon your > local store will give you a new copy. As far as I'm aware, I am legally entitled to make one backup copy of my software under the provision it is for stored backups in case my original installation media gets corrupted. Your copy protection violates my rights as a consumer by making my cd backup unusable. and besides - the only people who ever EVER excute the copy protection routines in your software are the legal owners of the software. Don't you realise the 000's you spend on this protection is simply fuel for the cracker races out in warez land? If you guys didn't copy protect your software, there wouldn't be cracking crews and all the cool coders would get back to demos like in the amiga days. iksteh

I think that you MUST read everything before accuse me of encourage piracy. First of all, read on my site, and you�ll find that i NEVER have encouraged piracy, also i reccomend to use ORIGINAL FILES that you can only find if you have the ORIGINAL CD, is this encourage piracy as you say? Don�t confuse an utility to preserve our OROGINAL CD�S with piracy. I�m talking in my site about F1 2001 like the DEFINITIVE SIM with a lot of good things (but not all). I�m in permanent contact with the EA Europe developers and you say that I�m a PIRATE? So let me say you that you MUST excuse for your words because there are a BIG LIE. If you visit my Principal server you�ll see a lot of screenshots with the ORIGINAL CD... is this piracy? And a final think, after you finish your crusade against my piracy encouragement try to resolve the VOODOO 3 unsopport of F1 2001, I�m receiving a lot of mails of users that can�t believe that EA didn�t give support on F1 2001 for this (very popular) videocard. Maybe you can explain all of us why F1 2001 don�t support Voodoo 3 and then we resolve for you the problem. Piracy encouragement? ... No thanks... and either lies, please (Ps: congratulations, after 3 attempts you did a good sim)

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> warning - rant follows. > > "EA employed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:PdfM7.176082$[email hidden]... > > with complete installation cd is required only to check that you've > original > > copy of the game, no files are loaded from cd.during the game. > > You're missing the point mate. With the no-cd installation > the cd is not required at all! You are not required to show > your drivers license and proof of purchase every time you > play the game. > > > this step is only one or two seconds long. > > ok - can i bill you for cumulative time wasted? Careful because > I've already recouped the cost of the game on this and waiting for > re-draws with the 21.83 nvidia drivers. > > Lets see - on my machine, in two seconds, your software can either : > > a> draw 140-160 frames of sexy 3d artwork, simulate a > formula one car in all it's glory, run an AI engine, generate > 3d sound and run a force feedback device. > > or > > b> check for a few bytes on a cd. > > is the inefficiency apparent yet? At least get with the times > and remove the cd-rom bottleneck from your protection systems. > > > if you've regular cd, install the official patch and play the game. > > if cd is damaged go to ea support page and ask for sostitution:soon

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> > local store will give you a new copy. > > As far as I'm aware, I am legally entitled to make > one backup copy of my software under the > provision it is for stored backups in case my > original installation media gets corrupted. > > Your copy protection violates my rights as a consumer > by making my cd backup unusable. > > and besides - the only people who ever EVER excute > the copy protection routines in your software are the > legal owners of the software. Don't you realise the 000's > you spend on this protection is simply fuel for the cracker > races out in warez land? If you guys didn't copy protect > your software, there wouldn't be cracking crews and all > the cool coders would get back to demos like in the amiga > days. > > iksteh

when you buy a software title you accecpt (almost in every country) some limitations as the prohibition of modifying in any kind parts of his (such as executable files). the time (very precious i suppose!) you spend waiting the cd check is lower then the time you spend searching and downloading no-cd files from warez sites or the time you spend applying unsafedisk patch to f1_2001.exe everytime a new update of the game is out.

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> when you buy a software title you accecpt (almost in every country) some > limitations as the prohibition of modifying in any kind parts of his (such > as executable files). > the time (very precious i suppose!) you spend waiting the cd check is lower > then the time you spend searching and downloading no-cd files from warez > sites or the time you spend applying unsafedisk patch to f1_2001.exe > everytime a new update of the game is out.

I'm just curious, since you do have a point about accepting terms about not modifying any parts of the software: How about using a cd-ripping software and put the entire CD content as a image file on the harddisk and let a virtual-cd program fool the operating system into thinking the CD is present ? I hope you do understand that it is pretty annoying for legal customers to find that CD. Since we're all here computer buffs, I guess noone's desk is nice and tidy :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

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> I think that you MUST read everything before accuse me of encourage > piracy. > First of all, read on my site, and you�ll find that i NEVER have > encouraged > piracy, also i reccomend to use ORIGINAL FILES that you can only find if > you > have the ORIGINAL CD, is this encourage piracy as you say? Don�t confuse > an > utility to preserve our OROGINAL CD�S with piracy.

you can't modify original files; it's a limitation that you accept when you buy a software title. And a final think, after you finish your crusade against my piracy

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> encouragement try to resolve the VOODOO 3 unsopport of F1 2001, I�m > receiving a lot of mails of users that can�t believe that EA didn�t give > support on F1 2001 for this (very popular) videocard. Maybe you can > explain > all of us why F1 2001 don�t support Voodoo 3 and then we resolve for you > the > problem

the game doesn't work with some old video cards (does ati rage pro IIc or s3 Trio do the work?); the limitation is firts due to the amount of video memory.

EA employed wrote: > the time (very precious i suppose!) you spend waiting the cd check is lower > then the time you spend searching and downloading no-cd files from warez > sites or the time you spend applying unsafedisk patch to f1_2001.exe > everytime a new update of the game is out. The time can be very considerable when CD-Roms choke on the copy protection schemes, sometimes even refusing to run. Don't tell me the software companies have never heard of THAT, thus penalizing the honest consumer. -- Fester

My dear Employed: "...you can't modify original files; it's a limitation that you accept when you buy a software title..." In my home I do what I want... didn�t you? XD "...the game doesn't work with some old video cards..." Congratulations, is the first game that doesn�t work with Voodoo3, come on find a solution to all Voodoo 3 users (it�s no difficult, believe me)

I forgot... "...you can't modify original files; it's a limitation that you accept when you buy a software title..." Maybe you�re saying that people like Ralph Hummerich or Simon Phillips are too pirats because they are modifying original files... I think that is best that you come back to work and stop saying incoherences... (Ps : I�m waiting your public excuses)

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:04:19 GMT, "EA employed" <[email hidden]> wrote: Another corporate shill *PLONK*

Good point...I recently tried to join a 3 player session online of Age of Kings with the Conquerer's expansion. I've know the 2 other users for years, we've played often online...but this was my first attempt at joining with that paticular game. I must have tried to start it a dozen times, couldn't even get to the main menu's.. Slapped on a no-cd patch and I was up and gaming with my friends. It's always refreshing to know the people I buy stuff from are placing programs on my cd that prevent me from using it. Thanks alot guys. And 2ndly. I had a new system about 2.5 years ago. Brand new, everything inside was fresh. The cdrom lasted about 18 months before dieing. So excuse me if I do everything I can to lengthen the life of it's replacement.(i.e. only put cd's in the tray when I really NEED them) dave henrie "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > EA employed wrote: > > > the time (very precious i suppose!) you spend waiting the cd check islower

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> > then the time you spend searching and downloading no-cd files from warez > > sites or the time you spend applying unsafedisk patch to f1_2001.exe > > everytime a new update of the game is out. > > > The time can be very considerable when CD-Roms choke on the copy > protection schemes, sometimes even refusing to run. Don't tell me the > software companies have never heard of THAT, thus penalizing the honest > consumer. > > -- > > Fester

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> > Good point...I recently tried to join a 3 player session online of Age of > Kings with the Conquerer's expansion. I've know the 2 other users for > years, we've played often online...but this was my first attempt at joining > with that paticular game. I must have tried to start it a dozen times, > couldn't even get to the main menu's.. Slapped on a no-cd patch and I was > up and gaming with my friends. It's always refreshing to know the people I > buy stuff from are placing programs on my cd that prevent me from using it. > Thanks alot guys. > And 2ndly. I had a new system about 2.5 years ago. Brand new, everything > inside was fresh. The cdrom lasted about 18 months before dieing. So > excuse me if I do everything I can to lengthen the life of it's > replacement.(i.e. only put cd's in the tray when I really NEED them) > dave henrie

Oh c'mon Dave, tell us how you really feel Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

"Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:[email hidden]... > I hope you do understand that it is pretty annoying for legal > customers to find that CD. Since we're all here computer buffs, I > guess noone's desk is nice and tidy :) >Really Olav, you disappoint me. Sure you can find a CD-case in the clutter, take out the CD, eject the CD in the drive, pick that up, realize that you have a CD in each hand, spot a different case under the can of coke, move the can, open the case with the tip of your nose, put the CD from the drive in the case, put the F1 CD in the CD-drive, push in the tray, close the open cases on the table, wait for the CD to spin up, look for your coke (hint: it's under the mouse now), and start playing the game ... in 2-3 seconds. Everybody else can. :-) /Jens

EA employed wrote: > > you can't modify original files; it's a limitation that you accept when you > buy a software title. You don't wanna open that can of worms. Licensing restrictions that can only be read AFTER the software is purchased & installed, and thus unreturnable in 99% of all stores. Click-thru licenses suck. (Technical term). That's not a real good attitude for a software company to take anyways, come to think of it. The titles that sell the best & have the longest community support are those where modification is widely done & accepted. I'm thinking of Flight Simulator/SCGT/GPL etc. here. Closed up programs tend to die quickly & have short shelf lives. Not a smart financial decision on the software companies part. -- Fester

One thing about this whole thread. If you are an EA employee...you should be picking up on something...we are customers. We 'seem' to have a gripe. It would behoove the corparate powers to listen to the end users. Whether the company or individuals agreee or disagree with the no cd issue, they still should be hearing loud and clear the disatisfaction of end users...purchasers. Pirating is wrong, pirating costs companies money. I will stipulate to both of those. But I will also say....current copy protection schemes are a waste of money.(money that 'could' have been spent getting F1 2001 to work with a wider range of vid-cards perhaps?) If there is a person or a pirate group that wants to copy your product...nothing you guys are paying for will stop them. But crippling MY purchase, in the name of cp, should at least be a toggle item. Get my money then free my cd. Don't spend money to induce errors into cd's that all but make them unreadable...(AND I HOPE PAPYRUS IS LISTENING AS WELL!) The recent N4 debacle is ludicrious. The copy protection(securerom) prevented many users from running the program due to hardware conflicts. Did I see a big fat sticker on the N4 box that alerted me to this? Was there a large display at the point of sale that stated that Vivendi/Havas/Sierra/Papyrus feel the need to protect thier product and do so by including errors in the media so that certain systems will NOT be able to load the program? I wonder if there are any class action lawyers sniffing about? dave henrie "EA employed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DsoM7.177272$[email hidden]...

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> buy a software title. > > And a final think, after you finish your crusade against my piracy > > encouragement try to resolve the VOODOO 3 unsopport of F1 2001, I�m > > receiving a lot of mails of users that can�t believe that EA didn�t give > > support on F1 2001 for this (very popular) videocard. Maybe you can > > explain > > all of us why F1 2001 don�t support Voodoo 3 and then we resolve for you > > the > > problem > > the game doesn't work with some old video cards (does ati rage pro IIc or

s3 > Trio do the work?); the limitation is firts due to the amount of video > memory. > > > >

I would have to agree on the copy protection as it is today. With technology what it is, you would think they could come up with some internal check through a hash code or something that would allow verification that the game is the real deal, without requiring the cd rom to be in the drive. While I haven't had a problem yet with N4 or F12001, I have had a problem with Operation Flashpoint. First I installed it from my cd burner drive, it installed fine but would not run period. I uninstalled and installed it from my plain jane cd rom drive, it installed but now I get upgrade it with the latest patch - the patch requires the cd rom to be in the drive just to install - ridiculous I think - and it doesn't recognize the OFP cd as being in the drive. I guarentee it is do to their copy protection scheme. Yet, I am sure there are probably hackers out there who have gotten around that and probably around their "fade" copy protection as well, where if the game is not original it begins to fade after a few hours use getting to the point of being unplayable. I love the OFP game, but this has really turned me off to it. More and more folks are buying computers with cd burners, dvd drives, etc as their one and only drive. Imagine the folks that don't have the know how or resources to research their problems and come up with a fix by dowloading certain drivers, secure rom updates, etc. Look at Win XP, certainly the XP cd does not have to be in the drive to operate the OS, yet it has some pretty secure features built in. Again, I am sure the most hardcore hackers find a way around this, but the casual user is not going to be burning copies for others consumption. It just seems to me something could be developed that satisfied both the developers and the end users. A person that goes into the store , checks out the requirements on the box, sees that their system meets these requirements, should be able to purchase it , install it, and run it fairly easily. Don Burnette "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BpEM7.82833$[email hidden]... > One thing about this whole thread. If you are an EA employee...youshould

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> be picking up on something...we are customers. We 'seem' to have a gripe. > It would behoove the corparate powers to listen to the end users. Whether > the company or individuals agreee or disagree with the no cd issue, they > still should be hearing loud and clear the disatisfaction of end > users...purchasers. > Pirating is wrong, pirating costs companies money. I will stipulate to > both of those. But I will also say....current copy protection schemes are

a > waste of money.(money that 'could' have been spent getting F1 2001 to work > with a wider range of vid-cards perhaps?) If there is a person or a > pirate group that wants to copy your product...nothing you guys are paying > for will stop them. But crippling MY purchase, in the name of cp, shouldat > least be a toggle item. Get my money then free my cd. Don't spend moneyto > induce errors into cd's that all but make them unreadable...(AND I HOPE > PAPYRUS IS LISTENING AS WELL!) The recent N4 debacle is ludicrious. The > copy protection(securerom) prevented many users from running the programdue

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> to hardware conflicts. Did I see a big fat sticker on the N4 box that > alerted me to this? Was there a large display at the point of sale that > stated that Vivendi/Havas/Sierra/Papyrus feel the need to protect thier > product and do so by including errors in the media so that certain systems > will NOT be able to load the program? > I wonder if there are any class action lawyers sniffing about? > dave henrie > "EA employed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:DsoM7.177272$[email hidden]... > > > > "DB" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio > > news:9tsi6j$if7$[email hidden]... > > > I think that you MUST read everything before accuse me of encourage > > > piracy. > > > First of all, read on my site, and you�ll find that i NEVER have > > > encouraged > > > piracy, also i reccomend to use ORIGINAL FILES that you can only find

if > > > you > > > have the ORIGINAL CD, is this encourage piracy as you say? Don�tconfuse

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> > > an > > > utility to preserve our OROGINAL CD�S with piracy. > > > > you can't modify original files; it's a limitation that you accept when > you > > buy a software title. > > > > And a final think, after you finish your crusade against my piracy > > > encouragement try to resolve the VOODOO 3 unsopport of F1 2001, I�m > > > receiving a lot of mails of users that can�t believe that EA didn�t

give > > > support on F1 2001 for this (very popular) videocard. Maybe you can > > > explain > > > all of us why F1 2001 don�t support Voodoo 3 and then we resolve foryou > > > the > > > problem > > > > the game doesn't work with some old video cards (does ati rage pro IIcor

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> s3 > > Trio do the work?); the limitation is firts due to the amount of video > > memory. > > > > > > > > > >

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:13:21 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > One thing about this whole thread. If you are an EA employee... Didn't Fluffypony also tell us he was an EA employee? Am I on to something here? :) Andre

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:28:05 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yet, I am sure there are probably hackers out there who have gotten around >that and probably around their "fade" copy protection as well, where if the >game is not original it begins to fade after a few hours use getting to the >point of being unplayable. Actually the FADE protection is in fact the first copy protection that really seems to be effective - it can be cracked, eveything can be cracked and it HAS been cracked, but it took quite a while before someone managed that. And overruling the FADE system still requires quite some hassle. Now the problems you had with the disc not being recognized are stupid and annoying, but the FADE system was a very clever protection. I still have problems with N4 though, after I click the N4 icon nothing happens, and it takes 30-60 seconds when N4 suddenly starts. 'Copy protections' are useless, allmost every game is being cracked before it's even released in the stores. The only people having problems with these copy protections are the buyers of the games. If you want to protect your software / make life for the warez people difficult, use some clever protections as the FADE system and not these stupid, TOTALLY USELESS copy protections. Derek Smart wrote on his Battlecruiser site that it was 'highly unlikely' that the Battlecruiser 3000 protection would ever be cracked. Right.. it was cracked before it was released. A couple of years ago a game called Robocop (one of the first good 3d action games) was released for the Amiga, with an 'unbeatable protection system' the game was delivered with a dongle. The protection system was much hyped by the publisher before the release of the game as being 100% uncrackable' But.. before the release of the game, cracked copies were send to a couple of game mags to show how good the protection was. Honest customers had to insert the dongle to play the game, ofcourse with all sorts of hardware conflicts, while the warez people had nice clean cracked copies that could be played without a dongle. The best way to defeat your enemy is to know your enemy.. publishers should look more into the warez world to see what's going on, what would be effective and what would NOT be effective. FADE and online key checks good, copy protections BAD. Releasing a patch? Make sure it won't work with the warez copy. Yes, the patch will be cracked too, but you can never avoid that, the best you can do is make life for the warez people hard. And release a representable demo of your game, so people don't have a reason to try the warez version first. Andre

[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: > I still have problems with N4 though, after I click the N4 icon > nothing happens, and it takes 30-60 seconds when N4 suddenly starts. Andre, do the CloneCD/Daemon-tools trick, it cost around 500 MB of your harddisk, but you will never have any problems starting N4 again. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

"EA employed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WioM7.177220$[email hidden]... > > "iksteh" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio<snip my own crap> > > when you buy a software title you accecpt (almost in every country) some > limitations as the prohibition of modifying in any kind parts of his (such > as executable files). Yes. But since you guys break your obligation to provide software which can be backed up, you give your customers no choice. We need to protect our original media from damage as we can't copy it! Seriously - I'd love to see EA try and prosecute a CUSTOMER for running an "ease of use" tool to make their software more user friendly. You remember what happened to Metallica with Napster? > the time (very precious i suppose!) you spend waiting the cd check islower > then the time you spend searching and downloading no-cd files from warez > sites or the time you spend applying unsafedisk patch to f1_2001.exe > everytime a new update of the game is out. It's not that my time is precious, it's just expensive. FWIW - if I start the game less than 15 times between patches, then you are correct, but I can download and install the no-cd crack in 29 seconds (cable plus fast athlon). As for warez sites - most no-cd files appear on FAN SITES. Do you understand yet? Is the customer right yet? Is the customer ever right with EA?. I think your responses to this thread pretty clearly advertise the paradigm paralysis that yourself and EA are currently experiencing. If you wish to represent your employer well, perhaps you should be intelligently discussing why EA take this approach above others, how it has helped reduce piracy (hahah) and therefore reduced game prices (ahahah) and improved EA's bottom line and shareholder value. Maybe this would help us to understand and be reasonable about the PITA that cd-checks are. Put simply - the customer is right, EA is wrong. EA are slowing getting up there with M$ in terms of arrogance and completely ignoring their customers (thank god for the lads at ISI) and spouting policy at every turn. So depressing since Chuck Yeagers flight trainer - EA were a cool company then. iksteh

Op Flashpoint was cracked and released on warez before it was on shelves. I downloaded it, played it, loved it, bought it two days later but I still run the patched cracked version. Codemasters *did good*. They got rewarded by getting my money. If the software had never been cracked and released there is a good chance I would never have tried the game and codemasters would not have had that sale. FADE was snazzy but really - do you think the "failure" mechanism makes any difference when usually the code is just removed, bypassed or replaced anyway? iksteh "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:28:05 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> > wrote:<snip>

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> Actually the FADE protection is in fact the first copy protection that > really seems to be effective - it can be cracked, eveything can be > cracked and it HAS been cracked, but it took quite a while before > someone managed that. And overruling the FADE system still requires > quite some hassle. Now the problems you had with the disc not being > recognized are stupid and annoying, but the FADE system was a very > clever protection.

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> Op Flashpoint was cracked and released on warez before > it was on shelves. I downloaded it, played it, loved it, bought > it two days later but I still run the patched cracked version. > > Codemasters *did good*. They got rewarded by getting > my money. If the software had never been cracked and > released there is a good chance I would never have tried > the game and codemasters would not have had that sale.

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On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:24:47 +1100, "iksteh" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Op Flashpoint was cracked and released on warez before >it was on shelves. I downloaded it, played it, loved it, bought >it two days later but I still run the patched cracked version. True, the FADE system was not enabled untill the release of the first patch.. that was the moment when lots of people started to buy OF to get rid of the FADE. >Codemasters *did good*. They got rewarded by getting >my money. If the software had never been cracked and >released there is a good chance I would never have tried >the game and codemasters would not have had that sale. Same here. But that's the good thing about the FADE system - you can still give the game a good try, but still you have to buy it if you want to get rid of the FADE. >FADE was snazzy but really - do you think the "failure" >mechanism makes any difference when usually the code is >just removed, bypassed or replaced anyway? In this case, yes. For fun, read the OF forums at gamecopyworld.com and see how good the protection is compared to all the other protections. OF is afaik the only game that was -really- difficult to crack, and it still requires a lot of hassle to get it cracked, even with instructions. Oh, btw, I DO have OF original, because it's simply one of this years best games. I had some superb online sessions, too bad that there are still quite some multiplayer problems though :( Andre

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>"iksteh" <[email hidden]> writes: > >> Op Flashpoint was cracked and released on warez before >> it was on shelves. I downloaded it, played it, loved it, bought >> it two days later but I still run the patched cracked version. >> >> Codemasters *did good*. They got rewarded by getting >> my money. If the software had never been cracked and >> released there is a good chance I would never have tried >> the game and codemasters would not have had that sale. > >Please be careful with such arguments.

I think his point was 'try before you buy', and I agree with him. I honestly would have bought much fewer games if I didn't try them first. I think I would have seen OF as just another fps shooter with average graphics, untill I actually tried it and saw how deep the gameplay was. It's simple, release a fully working demo. After playing the IL2 demo I can't wait for it to show up in the stores. GPL? Like others I couldn't get the demo running on my pc. A couple of months later I saw the warez version.. Wondered if it would be worth the hassle of downloading, but I was totally bored so I downloaded it. After the very first lap I was amazed.. I bought GPL the very first day it was in the stores in Holland, about a month after I downloaded that warez version.. Last game I bought on instinct, based on previews was SoS37.. says enough I think :) Andre >Olav K. Malmin >remove .spam when replying

[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: > Oh, btw, I DO have OF original, because it's simply one of this years > best games. I had some superb online sessions, too bad that there are > still quite some multiplayer problems though :( When I get my ADSL connection going, tell me when where and when, and I'll shoot your butt off. :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

On 27 Nov 2001 12:30:51 +0100, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote:

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>[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: > > >> Oh, btw, I DO have OF original, because it's simply one of this years >> best games. I had some superb online sessions, too bad that there are >> still quite some multiplayer problems though :( > >When I get my ADSL connection going, tell me when where and when, and >I'll shoot your butt off. :)

You better watch out.. in OF I'm more deadly than Surtees is at Monza.. Andre >Olav K. Malmin >remove .spam when replying

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> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:13:21 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > One thing about this whole thread. If you are an EA employee... > > Didn't Fluffypony also tell us he was an EA employee? > Am I on to something here? :) >

You mean, they only hire jerks? Andr�, you have no chance of getting hired!

In article <DsoM7.177272$[email hidden]>, "EA employed" <[email hidden]> writes: >you can't modify original files; it's a limitation that you accept when you >buy a software title. The .ini files are original - we can't modify those either...? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <LKaM7.128693$[email hidden]>, "Biz" <[email hidden]> writes: >Its great how because its inconvienent for the legitimate owners, they even >will rationalize that software piracy is ok. How do you draw that conclusion? I'd be willing to bet that very FEW people here condone software piracy... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>"iksteh" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio >news:3c00e2b9$0$13482$[email hidden]... >> The CD-Check on retail software does not discourage piracy. >> Quite the reverse. I suppose EA subscribe to prohibitionist >> doctrines as well? >> >> I use no-cd on a legal copy of this game btw. All protection >> does is piss off legitimate users and slow loading times. >> >> iksteh >with complete installation cd is required only to check that you've original >copy of the game, no files are loaded from cd.during the game. >this step is only one or two seconds long. >if you've regular cd, install the official patch and play the game. >if cd is damaged go to ea support page and ask for sostitution:soon your >local store will give you a new copy

At how much cost? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) writes: >I'm just curious, since you do have a point about accepting terms >about not modifying any parts of the software: How about using a >cd-ripping software and put the entire CD content as a image file on >the harddisk and let a virtual-cd program fool the operating system >into thinking the CD is present ? >Someone has suggested that before...can't remember who. :( >I hope you do understand that it is pretty annoying for legal >customers to find that CD. Since we're all here computer buffs, I >guess noone's desk is nice and tidy :) > No, I'm not tidy, and I have 150+ games and programs that I've bought over the years. I've had MANY times that I couldn't find the CD that I wanted to play at that moment. So much for "playablilty"...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > and besides - the only people who ever EVER excute > the copy protection routines in your software are the > legal owners of the software. Don't you realise the 000's > you spend on this protection is simply fuel for the cracker > races out in warez land? If you guys didn't copy protect > your software, there wouldn't be cracking crews and all > the cool coders would get back to demos like in the amiga > days.

No, "THEY" would still be stealing software, but at least the "few" remaining paying customers would not be consistently be pissed off about stupid protection schemes. "No, Sir, your CD drive is not compatibel to our software!" -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:13:21 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > One thing about this whole thread. If you are an EA employee... > > Didn't Fluffypony also tell us he was an EA employee? > Am I on to something here? :)

sigh... oh you *had* to bring up fluffypony again didn't you? i'd finally forgotten about the pictures...

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finally > forgotten about the pictures... >Like this one? http://www.submissionuk.org/bio/fpony.jpg

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> "Thomas M�rlund" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse > news:3c0405c7$0$47261$[email hidden]... > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in > message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:13:21 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > One thing about this whole thread. If you are an EA employee... > > > > > > Didn't Fluffypony also tell us he was an EA employee? > > > Am I on to something here? :) > > > > sigh... oh you *had* to bring up fluffypony again didn't you? i'd > finally > > forgotten about the pictures... > > > Like this one? > > http://www.submissionuk.org/bio/fpony.jpg >

Arrrggggghhhh!!! Don't... make... me.... c.. cl... click.... oh no... i did it... oh, the pain... my eyes...

I made a copy of my OFP CD (no special tricks, just a copy with cloneCD) and it runs just fine. Applying a no CD patch to either that or the original causes the fade protection to happen though. So to clarify, the game can still be easily pirated but the legitimate owner can't use a noCD patch. That sucks. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:28:05 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Yet, I am sure there are probably hackers out there who have gotten around > >that and probably around their "fade" copy protection as well, where if the > >game is not original it begins to fade after a few hours use getting to the > >point of being unplayable. > > Actually the FADE protection is in fact the first copy protection that > really seems to be effective - it can be cracked, eveything can be > cracked and it HAS been cracked, but it took quite a while before > someone managed that. And overruling the FADE system still requires > quite some hassle. Now the problems you had with the disc not being > recognized are stupid and annoying, but the FADE system was a very > clever protection.

The world is changing. Smart consumers are slowly becoming as cutthroat as the marketing departments which try to herd them. IMHO - this is a good thing I do have to say at this point I DO NOT condone piracy. Piracy is theft of software with no intention of purchase but an intention to keep using said software. More so piracy is an issue in terms of couterfeit cd and similar which are quite common around computer swap meets and available on the "black market" I don't see home users trying software as being a major "loss factor" for the corps. As for flashpoint : if I'd have gone by word of mouth or the ads/box, then I would have picked it as another delta force and ignored it. As said in my earlier post - if I like a game, it does get bought. Sheesh - I have papy *everything* almost, f1* whatever - I give good money to these companies. If I think a downloaded game sucks I'll delete it. - the same way if you think a game sucks that you buy, you delete it. The difference is, I haven't been sold a well designed cardboard box for more than 50 bucks which dazzled my eyes but contained utter garbage. I have simply spent a couple of hours shopping for what I want. Best of all, when I go to the local EB or wherever - I often discover the game I fell in love with while sitting at home is in a plain boring cover which just screams "ignore me". Lucky... iksteh "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "iksteh" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Op Flashpoint was cracked and released on warez before > > it was on shelves. I downloaded it, played it, loved it, bought > > it two days later but I still run the patched cracked version. > > > > Codemasters *did good*. They got rewarded by getting > > my money. If the software had never been cracked and > > released there is a good chance I would never have tried > > the game and codemasters would not have had that sale. > > Please be careful with such arguments. > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

BZZZTTT!!! BULLSHIT! The F1 2001 CD check takes a hell of a lot longer than that. First it displays a banner advertisement for the company that designed the "anti-theft" software. (I guess so I'll know who to bring my first home made bomb to?) It spins an "I'm working for your benefit and pleasure, Dave" graphic for about 15 seconds. Second, it pisses me right off. I paid money for that game. I worked in freezing weather, hauling a 250 pound 13 year old girl up an down 120 vertical feet of bunny slope for four hours straight to pay for it and my gas and lunch, sprained my wrist when she landed on me and you're calling me a thief? Every time I see that thing, and add it to not having a brake pedal and not being able to run graphics that are obviously short of SBK quality at SBK frame rates, I wanna make copies for all my friends just as a matter of principle. I have $10,000 software with no CD check... something aint right with your thinking. I won't be back for another EA title. -- "Racing! - Science for the action minded." mark "EA employed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PdfM7.176082$[email hidden]... > > "iksteh" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:3c00e2b9$0$13482$[email hidden]... > > The CD-Check on retail software does not discourage piracy. > > Quite the reverse. I suppose EA subscribe to prohibitionist > > doctrines as well? > > > > I use no-cd on a legal copy of this game btw. All protection > > does is piss off legitimate users and slow loading times. > > > > iksteh > with complete installation cd is required only to check that you've original > copy of the game, no files are loaded from cd.during the game. > this step is only one or two seconds long. > if you've regular cd, install the official patch and play the game. > if cd is damaged go to ea support page and ask for sostitution:soon your > local store will give you a new copy. > >

> >this step is only one or two seconds long. One or two seconds?? Don't bullshit me you lieing POS. It's more like 20-30 seconds.

Putz... "EA employed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JJ3M7.170421$[email hidden]... >thanks a lot, we are proud that you encourage piracy! > >