St. Jovite Lap Times?

OK, I know I'm too competitive for my own good, but what is the fastest lap time right now? I'm DL'ing the track right now. -- Pat Dotson

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> There was another post awhile ago telling how > to decrease the tire wear. Honestly, I think > I like it the way it is. The tires don't wear > quickly unless you skid. I have a feeling that > tire wear at this track is closer to reality > than the stock N4 tire wear settings. If > oval tire wear was set like this, you'd see > a much different driving style. I think it > would be a more realistic driving style.

Interesting, Pat...if you get a chance, could you run enough laps to burn the tires right off the car and tell me how many laps that was? The tire wear is much higher than normal (to reflect future N4 road-course modifications), but if you think it's more realistic, I'd like to see how well it does...for example, how many laps at Sears/Glen do you get b4 the tires fall off the car? Cheers! Jan Kohl The Pits - 6 years and counting http://www.theuspits.com

OK I'll start. 1:43.7, but I was heel-toeing all the way! :) It was a pretty good lap, but I screwed up in the Gulch and Bridge turns. 1:43 flat shouldn't be a problem. BTW, it wasn't the stock setup. It was a modified <fast> setup. Interestingly, that one lap used up about 10% of the tires. There was another post awhile ago telling how to decrease the tire wear. Honestly, I think I like it the way it is. The tires don't wear quickly unless you skid. I have a feeling that tire wear at this track is closer to reality than the stock N4 tire wear settings. If oval tire wear was set like this, you'd see a much different driving style. I think it would be a more realistic driving style. -- Pat Dotson Pat Dotson wrote: > > OK, I know I'm too competitive for my own good, but > what is the fastest lap time right now? I'm DL'ing > the track right now. > > -- > Pat Dotson

Jan, Just guessing, if I really lean on the tires, they would be gone in 10 laps. That is with a lot of skidding/sliding, like most hotlaps are done. I'll try it real quick to confirm and get back to you. I think it would be relevant to know what a realistic lap time for one of these cars would be at this track in real life. I'd like to try running that lap time consistently and see what the wear does. As far as Glen and Sears, seems like you could go through a whole tank of gas pretty easily if you aren't pushing it. -- Pat Dotson Jan Kohl wrote: > > > There was another post awhile ago telling how > > to decrease the tire wear. Honestly, I think > > I like it the way it is. The tires don't wear > > quickly unless you skid. I have a feeling that > > tire wear at this track is closer to reality > > than the stock N4 tire wear settings. If > > oval tire wear was set like this, you'd see > > a much different driving style. I think it > > would be a more realistic driving style. > > Interesting, Pat...if you get a chance, could you run enough laps to burn > the > tires right off the car and tell me how many laps that was? The tire wear > is > much higher than normal (to reflect future N4 road-course modifications), > but if you think it's more realistic, I'd like to see how well it does...for > example, > how many laps at Sears/Glen do you get b4 the tires fall off the car? > > Cheers! > > Jan Kohl > The Pits - 6 years and counting > http://www.theuspits.com

Hi Pat, tirewear at St. Jovite is way off. About 5 times what it should be. You may wish to change the track_tire_wear parameter in the track's track.ini to something between 0.90 and 1.0. It's currently set to 4.5, which is wrong. A good racelap is probably a 1.40, an excellent one a high 1:39. Qual laps I don't know, haven't tried qual engine. Achim

Hi Jan, don't believe him ;-) Tires start getting weaker even during outlap - you won't even have full grip on the first timed lap. You can easily try and set track_tire_wear to 1. Your first hotlap (where normally there should hardly have been any tirewear yet) will be faster than in the original setting, indicating that in the original setting even on a moderately driven outlap you burn tire. Driving the 1:43 laptimes Pat suggests, the tires will indeed be gone in less than 10 laps, and that's certainly not realistic. If I remember this correctly, at Sears I can do around 18 fast racelaps before the tires go yellow and/or need to be changed. Track_tire_wear at Sears is 0.95. I'd go for a value of 1.0 for this value :-) Achim "Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IZjM7.57781$[email hidden]...

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> > There was another post awhile ago telling how > > to decrease the tire wear. Honestly, I think > > I like it the way it is. The tires don't wear > > quickly unless you skid. I have a feeling that > > tire wear at this track is closer to reality > > than the stock N4 tire wear settings. If > > oval tire wear was set like this, you'd see > > a much different driving style. I think it > > would be a more realistic driving style. > > Interesting, Pat...if you get a chance, could you run enough laps to burn > the > tires right off the car and tell me how many laps that was? The tire wear > is > much higher than normal (to reflect future N4 road-course modifications), > but if you think it's more realistic, I'd like to see how well it

does...for

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> example, > how many laps at Sears/Glen do you get b4 the tires fall off the car? > > Cheers! > > Jan Kohl > The Pits - 6 years and counting > http://www.theuspits.com > >

Joachim Trensz wrote: > > don't believe him ;-) > > Tires start getting weaker even during outlap - you won't even have full Yes. The tires wear is greatly exaggerated. I still think it should be higher than what it typically is in N4. Should you really be able to hotlap the way we do without wearing out the tires in 10 laps or more? What I thought was cool about how much tire wear there is at St. Jovite is that when you spin or slide sideways for a long time, the tires are basically shot. With normal N4 tire wear you could just keep going without much effect. Maybe N4 needs a steeper curve between slides within reasonable slip angles, and slides at greater slip angles. -- Pat Dotson

I can do around 20 laps on a set of tires with the current settings. That is doing lap times around 1:45. I could do 1:42 or 1:43's for about 4 laps and then the tire would be junk. I also like the current settings. It gets us out of the hotlapper mentality. It is almost like a endurance race now - who is quickest, smoothest and easiest on equipment and tires. "Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IZjM7.57781$[email hidden]...

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> > There was another post awhile ago telling how > > to decrease the tire wear. Honestly, I think > > I like it the way it is. The tires don't wear > > quickly unless you skid. I have a feeling that > > tire wear at this track is closer to reality > > than the stock N4 tire wear settings. If > > oval tire wear was set like this, you'd see > > a much different driving style. I think it > > would be a more realistic driving style. > > Interesting, Pat...if you get a chance, could you run enough laps to burn > the > tires right off the car and tell me how many laps that was? The tire wear > is > much higher than normal (to reflect future N4 road-course modifications), > but if you think it's more realistic, I'd like to see how well it

does...for

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> example, > how many laps at Sears/Glen do you get b4 the tires fall off the car? > > Cheers! > > Jan Kohl > The Pits - 6 years and counting > http://www.theuspits.com > >

Hi Pat, I agree that N4 doesn't perfectly calculate _all_ parameters which affect tirewear. But IMHO, overall it's a good compromise. I can clearly feel the tires become more slippery at Watkins Glen or Sears every two or three laps laps, although I give high priority to smooth driving. Maybe locked brakes and hard slides don't have the effect they should have (especially since you don't get a pad (correct term?) in the tire), but I think trying to introduce this through increased general tirewear would reduce overall realism WRT tirewear and race strategies. Achim "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Joachim Trensz wrote: > > > > don't believe him ;-) > > > > Tires start getting weaker even during outlap - you won't even have full > > Yes. The tires wear is greatly exaggerated. I still think > it should be higher than what it typically is in N4. > Should you really be able to hotlap the way we do without > wearing out the tires in 10 laps or more? > > What I thought was cool about how much tire wear there is > at St. Jovite is that when you spin or slide sideways > for a long time, the tires are basically shot. With > normal N4 tire wear you could just keep going without > much effect. > > Maybe N4 needs a steeper curve between slides within > reasonable slip angles, and slides at greater slip angles. > -- > Pat Dotson

Hi Alan, hotlapping mentality never works in N4, as tirewear _always_ is an issue. Those who preserve the tires better always will have an advantage, unless you set the race distance to a very low value. Everything above 5 laps at St. Jovite will already make tires an issue (at fast speeds) even if you set the tirewear parameter as I suggest it (and what the other N4 roadtracks are set to). With St. Jovite's original setting, tirewear becomes an issue on lap 2 even when you drive cleanly. IMO, good grip should be there for one or two fast laps. At St. Jovite's original settings, in Qualifying you have less grip on the first timed lap than you have on the outlap, if you drive the outlap in a way that brings the tires up to any raceworthy temperature. Maybe overall tirewear in N4 doesn't take into account some parameters in the way it should take them into account, I don't know that, but I think St. Jovite with tirewear set to between 0.90 and 1.00 will be a realistic racetrack allowing for realistic strategies and driving. Achim "Alan Orton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yuFM7.12076$[email hidden]... > I can do around 20 laps on a set of tires with the current settings. Thatis > doing lap times around 1:45. I could do 1:42 or 1:43's for about 4 lapsand > then the tire would be junk. > > I also like the current settings. It gets us out of the hotlappermentality.

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> It is almost like a endurance race now - who is quickest, smoothest and > easiest on equipment and tires. > > "Jan Kohl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IZjM7.57781$[email hidden]... > > > There was another post awhile ago telling how > > > to decrease the tire wear. Honestly, I think > > > I like it the way it is. The tires don't wear > > > quickly unless you skid. I have a feeling that > > > tire wear at this track is closer to reality > > > than the stock N4 tire wear settings. If > > > oval tire wear was set like this, you'd see > > > a much different driving style. I think it > > > would be a more realistic driving style. > > > > Interesting, Pat...if you get a chance, could you run enough laps to

burn > > the > > tires right off the car and tell me how many laps that was? The tirewear > > is > > much higher than normal (to reflect future N4 road-coursemodifications),

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> > but if you think it's more realistic, I'd like to see how well it > does...for > > example, > > how many laps at Sears/Glen do you get b4 the tires fall off the car? > > > > Cheers! > > > > Jan Kohl > > The Pits - 6 years and counting > > http://www.theuspits.com > > > > > >

"Joachim Trensz" > > Maybe locked brakes and hard slides don't have the effect they should have > (especially since you don't get a pad (correct term?) I believe we Yanks refer to that as a 'Flat Spot' i.e. "he flat-spotted the tars." dave henrie

In article <[email hidden]>, Pat Dotson <[email hidden]> writes: >As far as Glen and Sears, seems like you could go through >a whole tank of gas pretty easily if you aren't pushing >it. > Geez - I can't get through a whole tank at *Talladega*...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <yuFM7.12076$[email hidden]>, "Alan Orton" <[email hidden]> writes: >I also like the current settings. It gets us out of the hotlapper mentality. >It is almost like a endurance race now - who is quickest, smoothest and >easiest on equipment and tires. This from a guy who's quicker in F2's(honda, yet) than a lot of people in F1's...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Thanks for the info Dave Achim "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:N7RM7.85345$[email hidden]... > > "Joachim Trensz" > > > > Maybe locked brakes and hard slides don't have the effect they shouldhave > > (especially since you don't get a pad (correct term?) > I believe we Yanks refer to that as a 'Flat Spot' i.e. "he > flat-spotted the tars." > dave henrie > >

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:42:57 +0100, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Hi Pat, > >tirewear at St. Jovite is way off. About 5 times what it should be. > >You may wish to change the track_tire_wear parameter in the track's >track.ini to something between 0.90 and 1.0. It's currently set to 4.5, >which is wrong. > >A good racelap is probably a 1.40, an excellent one a high 1:39. Qual laps I >don't know, haven't tried qual engine. > >Achim >

Hey, Where are you guys finding the tire wear? My StJovite shows no tire wear in the track ini. Sam

Hi Sam, the parameter's name is track_tire_wear, it's in the [track] section of the track.ini Achim "Samuel Senior" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:42:57 +0100, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Hi Pat, > > > >tirewear at St. Jovite is way off. About 5 times what it should be. > > > >You may wish to change the track_tire_wear parameter in the track's > >track.ini to something between 0.90 and 1.0. It's currently set to 4.5, > >which is wrong. > > > >A good racelap is probably a 1.40, an excellent one a high 1:39. Qual

laps I

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> >don't know, haven't tried qual engine. > > > >Achim > > > Hey, Where are you guys finding the tire wear? My StJovite shows no > tire wear in the track ini. > Sam >

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:30:41 +0100, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hi Sam, > >the parameter's name is track_tire_wear, it's in the [track] section of the >track.ini > >AchimAchim, My track ini track section reads as follows: [ track ] track_name = St-Jovite track_name_short = St-Jovite track_num_turns = 15 track_length = 2.650m track_altitude = 230.0 ; Above, note track length given in miles, ; while altitude given in meters. Can I just tyoe in a line somewhere? Apparently my download of this track was incomplete, as I had to add on covers later, also. Thanx. Sam

Joachim is talking N4... "Samuel Senior" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:30:41 +0100, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Hi Sam, > > > >the parameter's name is track_tire_wear, it's in the [track] section ofthe

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> >track.ini > > > >Achim > Achim, > My track ini track section reads as follows: > [ track ] > track_name = St-Jovite > track_name_short = St-Jovite > track_num_turns = 15 > track_length = 2.650m > track_altitude = 230.0 > ; Above, note track length given in miles, > ; while altitude given in meters. > Can I just tyoe in a line somewhere? Apparently my download of this > track was incomplete, as I had to add on covers later, also. Thanx. > Sam