Best modern Rally sim for the PC?

Opinions, please... BB

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:23:09 GMT, Bart Brown <[email hidden]> wrote: >Opinions, please... > >BB Real stages, bad physics: RC2000 Short stages, good physics: Rally Trophy and most people seem to like Rally Masters allthough I never liked that one. Andre

IMO definitly "Rally Master" best physics , but average graphics -- Sebastien TIXIER - Game Developer Dynamics and Car Physics http://www.eden-studios.fr GPLRank Normal:-44.24 Monster:-124.44

I happen to love Colin McRae Rally 2, but I'm anxious to get a copy of Rally Trophy soon. Scott PA-Scott "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Opinions, please... > > BB

Rally Trophy isn't "modern" Andre :) Thanks, Alex PS, Id say Rally Masters for best modern rally sim "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:23:09 GMT, Bart Brown <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Opinions, please... > > > >BB > > Real stages, bad physics: RC2000 > Short stages, good physics: Rally Trophy > > and most people seem to like Rally Masters allthough I never liked > that one. > > Andre >

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:30:13 GMT, "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Rally Trophy isn't "modern" Andre :) Oops I missed that part :) Andre >Thanks, >Alex

Bart Brown <[email hidden]> wrote on 29 Nov 2001: > Opinions, please... Rally Masters, I think, especially if you have a lower-spec machine. Some people dislike the "grainy" look to the graphics, but I think it fits rallying perfectly, more so than the brighter arcadey look favoured by Colin McRae and Rally Trophy. -- Sceptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep insights can be winnowed from deep nonsense -- Carl Sagan The GPL Scrapyard returns (slowly): http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

I seem to be nearly alone here, but I like nearly everything abt. Rally Championship except the math (scoring); it cheats. Its successor, Rally Championship Xtreme, is supposed to be dumbed down (and sounds like it still has overly sensitive controls), but it *may* be worth a look. Impossible to find...so far, at least here in the States. --Steve Smith "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Opinions, please... > > BB

the MAJOR pb with rally Xtreme or rally champ 2002 as it is called here is that you can't set the controls right....you have about 20% deadzone in the steering and there is NO way to set this right.... "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: V9yN7.82655$[email hidden]... > I seem to be nearly alone here, but I like nearly everything abt. Rally > Championship except the math (scoring); it cheats. Its successor, Rally > Championship Xtreme, is supposed to be dumbed down (and sounds like itstill > has overly sensitive controls), but it *may* be worth a look. Impossibleto

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> find...so far, at least here in the States. > > --Steve Smith > > "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Opinions, please... > > > > BB > >

Not QUITE true: I've used DXTweak to reduce the dead-zone to zero and set the sensitivity to "Numbnuts" and I can just barely keep it on the tarmac (hairpin turns take abt. 1/8th of a turn of my LWFF). For all that, it's still easier to control, IMO, than F1 2001...and I am no stranger to controller issues. Or racing sims. --Steve Smith "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c06b1aa$0$203$[email hidden]... > the MAJOR pb with rally Xtreme or rally champ 2002 as it is called here is > that you can't set the controls right....you have about 20% deadzone inthe > steering and there is NO way to set this right.... > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message denews: > V9yN7.82655$[email hidden]... > > I seem to be nearly alone here, but I like nearly everything abt. Rally > > Championship except the math (scoring); it cheats. Its successor, Rally > > Championship Xtreme, is supposed to be dumbed down (and sounds like it > still > > has overly sensitive controls), but it *may* be worth a look.Impossible

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> to > > find...so far, at least here in the States. > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Opinions, please... > > > > > > BB > > > > > >

"Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Opinions, please... Well, depends on what's your cup of tea... I think most people here would agree about the following: Rally Championship (i.e. Mobil 1 Rally Championship) has good stages, very authentic, but the driving physics are horrendous. The cars don't seem to turn by the wheels, the grass is "sticky"... But the terrain is great... Rally Masters (i.e. Test Drive: Rally Masters) has completely fictional stages, but the "feel" of rallying sure shows... Sliding a car around a corner can almost be FELT, and the super-special stages adds some truly hair-raising moments as you go one-on-one with another driver. Not quite enough stages though. Colin McRae Rally 2 has fictional stages, but more stages. It's like right between the two titles above in terms to authenticity and fun. Car physics are quite good. --KC

Only one classic Rally sim is existing. Others are all modern Rally. ;) Y.Minami "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Opinions, please... > > BB

ah ? where can i get this DXT thing ? I just reinstalled XP and I a bit "lost" in the latest "tweaking issues", can this DXT thing be activated only for 1 game because my N4 and GPL settings are fine and I don't want to ruin them just for RC2K2... thx "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: 0syN7.82663$[email hidden]...

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> Not QUITE true: I've used DXTweak to reduce the dead-zone to zero and set > the sensitivity to "Numbnuts" and I can just barely keep it on the tarmac > (hairpin turns take abt. 1/8th of a turn of my LWFF). For all that, it's > still easier to control, IMO, than F1 2001...and I am no stranger to > controller issues. Or racing sims. > > --Steve Smith > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3c06b1aa$0$203$[email hidden]... > > the MAJOR pb with rally Xtreme or rally champ 2002 as it is called here

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> > that you can't set the controls right....you have about 20% deadzone in > the > > steering and there is NO way to set this right.... > > > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de > news: > > V9yN7.82655$[email hidden]... > > > I seem to be nearly alone here, but I like nearly everything abt.

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> > > Championship Xtreme, is supposed to be dumbed down (and sounds like it > > still > > > has overly sensitive controls), but it *may* be worth a look. > Impossible > > to > > > find...so far, at least here in the States. > > > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > > > "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Opinions, please... > > > > > > > > BB > > > > > > > > > > > >

http://www.wingmanteam.com/Latest_Software/Gadgets/gadgets.htm -- Cheers, Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. `o^=o- http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends (yeah it needs updating I know...) "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c06b59d$0$208$[email hidden]... > ah ? where can i get this DXT thing ? I just reinstalled XP and I a bit > "lost" in the latest "tweaking issues", can this DXT thing be activated only > for 1 game because my N4 and GPL settings are fine and I don't want to ruin > them just for RC2K2... > > thx > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: > 0syN7.82663$[email hidden]... > > Not QUITE true: I've used DXTweak to reduce the dead-zone to zero and set > > the sensitivity to "Numbnuts" and I can just barely keep it on the tarmac > > (hairpin turns take abt. 1/8th of a turn of my LWFF). For all that, it's > > still easier to control, IMO, than F1 2001...and I am no stranger to > > controller issues. Or racing sims. > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3c06b1aa$0$203$[email hidden]... > > > the MAJOR pb with rally Xtreme or rally champ 2002 as it is called here > is > > > that you can't set the controls right....you have about 20% deadzone in > > the > > > steering and there is NO way to set this right.... > > > > > > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de > > news: > > > V9yN7.82655$[email hidden]... > > > > I seem to be nearly alone here, but I like nearly everything abt. > Rally > > > > Championship except the math (scoring); it cheats. Its successor, > Rally > > > > Championship Xtreme, is supposed to be dumbed down (and sounds like it > > > still > > > > has overly sensitive controls), but it *may* be worth a look. > > Impossible > > > to > > > > find...so far, at least here in the States. > > > > > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > > > > > "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Opinions, please... > > > > > > > > > > BB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Real stages, bad physics: RC2000 You can mod a lot of parameters in RC200 to the point that it feels pretty good. I've tried them all except RT and RC2000 is the one I like the most. None of them are high fidelity sims though.

"Kasey Chang (send reply to excite.com)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:exyN7.1825$[email hidden]... > Rally Championship (i.e. Mobil 1 Rally Championship) > has good stages, very authentic, but the driving physics are horrendous. > The cars don't seem to turn by the wheels, the grass is "sticky"... But > the > terrain is great... You can modify all of those settings.

err, forgot to say, I'm on XP.... won't work with 2000/NT/XP thanks anyway "Robin Lord" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: v9zN7.4443$[email hidden]...

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> http://www.wingmanteam.com/Latest_Software/Gadgets/gadgets.htm > > -- > Cheers, > > Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. `o^=o- > > http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk > > N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends > (yeah it needs updating I know...) > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3c06b59d$0$208$[email hidden]... > > ah ? where can i get this DXT thing ? I just reinstalled XP and I a bit > > "lost" in the latest "tweaking issues", can this DXT thing be activated > only > > for 1 game because my N4 and GPL settings are fine and I don't want to > ruin > > them just for RC2K2... > > > > thx > > > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de > news: > > 0syN7.82663$[email hidden]... > > > Not QUITE true: I've used DXTweak to reduce the dead-zone to zero and > set > > > the sensitivity to "Numbnuts" and I can just barely keep it on the > tarmac > > > (hairpin turns take abt. 1/8th of a turn of my LWFF). For all that, > it's > > > still easier to control, IMO, than F1 2001...and I am no stranger to > > > controller issues. Or racing sims. > > > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:3c06b1aa$0$203$[email hidden]... > > > > the MAJOR pb with rally Xtreme or rally champ 2002 as it is called > here > > is > > > > that you can't set the controls right....you have about 20% deadzone > in > > > the > > > > steering and there is NO way to set this right.... > > > > > > > > > > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message

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> > > news: > > > > V9yN7.82655$[email hidden]... > > > > > I seem to be nearly alone here, but I like nearly everything abt. > > Rally > > > > > Championship except the math (scoring); it cheats. Its successor, > > Rally > > > > > Championship Xtreme, is supposed to be dumbed down (and sounds

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> it > > > > still > > > > > has overly sensitive controls), but it *may* be worth a look. > > > Impossible > > > > to > > > > > find...so far, at least here in the States. > > > > > > > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > > > > > > > "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Opinions, please... > > > > > > > > > > > > BB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

That's actually incorrect as it says on their website, I think they got two proggies mixed up. DXtweak definitely works on win2k, can't say about XP but it should be fine there too. Rafe Mc On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:48:27 +0100, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>err, forgot to say, I'm on XP.... > >won't work with 2000/NT/XP > > >thanks anyway > > >"Robin Lord" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans >le message de news: v9zN7.4443$[email hidden]... >> http://www.wingmanteam.com/Latest_Software/Gadgets/gadgets.htm >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. `o^=o- >> >> http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk >> >> N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends >> (yeah it needs updating I know...) >> "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:3c06b59d$0$208$[email hidden]... >> > ah ? where can i get this DXT thing ? I just reinstalled XP and I a bit >> > "lost" in the latest "tweaking issues", can this DXT thing be activated >> only >> > for 1 game because my N4 and GPL settings are fine and I don't want to >> ruin >> > them just for RC2K2... >> > >> > thx >> > >> > >> > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de >> news: >> > 0syN7.82663$[email hidden]... >> > > Not QUITE true: I've used DXTweak to reduce the dead-zone to zero and >> set >> > > the sensitivity to "Numbnuts" and I can just barely keep it on the >> tarmac >> > > (hairpin turns take abt. 1/8th of a turn of my LWFF). For all that, >> it's >> > > still easier to control, IMO, than F1 2001...and I am no stranger to >> > > controller issues. Or racing sims. >> > > >> > > --Steve Smith >> > > >> > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > > news:3c06b1aa$0$203$[email hidden]... >> > > > the MAJOR pb with rally Xtreme or rally champ 2002 as it is called >> here >> > is >> > > > that you can't set the controls right....you have about 20% deadzone >> in >> > > the >> > > > steering and there is NO way to set this right.... >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message >de >> > > news: >> > > > V9yN7.82655$[email hidden]... >> > > > > I seem to be nearly alone here, but I like nearly everything abt. >> > Rally >> > > > > Championship except the math (scoring); it cheats. Its successor, >> > Rally >> > > > > Championship Xtreme, is supposed to be dumbed down (and sounds >like >> it >> > > > still >> > > > > has overly sensitive controls), but it *may* be worth a look. >> > > Impossible >> > > > to >> > > > > find...so far, at least here in the States. >> > > > > >> > > > > --Steve Smith >> > > > > >> > > > > "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > > > > news:[email hidden]... >> > > > > > Opinions, please... >> > > > > > >> > > > > > BB >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >

There's a front-end launch proggie that let's you tweak all the physics. The worst offender, IMO, is the superfragilisticexpedaliocious braking power, but you can reduce that to any level you like. Don't have the URL, but it used to be avail @ simracingnews. --Steve "Kasey Chang (send reply to excite.com)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:exyN7.1825$[email hidden]...

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> > "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Opinions, please... > > Well, depends on what's your cup of tea... I think most people > here would agree about the following: > > Rally Championship (i.e. Mobil 1 Rally Championship) > has good stages, very authentic, but the driving physics are horrendous. > The cars don't seem to turn by the wheels, the grass is "sticky"... But > the > terrain is great... > > Rally Masters (i.e. Test Drive: Rally Masters) > has completely fictional stages, but the "feel" of rallying sure > shows... > Sliding a car around a corner can almost be FELT, and the super-special > stages adds some truly hair-raising moments as you go one-on-one with > another driver. Not quite enough stages though. > > Colin McRae Rally 2 > has fictional stages, but more stages. It's like right between the two > titles > above in terms to authenticity and fun. Car physics are quite good. > > --KC > > >

"Kasey Chang (send reply to excite.com)" wrote: > > Rally Masters (i.e. Test Drive: Rally Masters) > has completely fictional stages > Colin McRae Rally 2 > has fictional stages Fictional in the sense that they aren't authentic recreations of the actual rally stages purported to be represented? Why do they do that? BB

Rally Masters is very good - I'm not sure how anyone could describe the graphics as 'grainy' - they're as smooth and colourful as any racing game I've seen on my machine. I first got the game when I had a TNT2 and it was a bit average, but with a GeForce, the game really comes to life and runs at a liquid smooth frame rate. The physics are almost up there with Rally Trophy and are possibly better in some ways. Colin McRae Rally (the original) is the best choice for slightly less serious rallying - lots of fun to be had. The car doesn't seem to slide properly in the sequel. Australian buyers of "Commandos II" get a voucher for a free copy of Rally Masters!! - 2 kick-ass games!

"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > That's actually incorrect as it says on their website, I think they > got two proggies mixed up. DXtweak definitely works on win2k, can't > say about XP but it should be fine there too. > > Rafe Mc Does that prog reset after a reboot or are they saved as permanent settings? I ask this because if I change the settings for the wheel then won't it screw up my joystick too? Or can you save profiles for various devices?

"Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Fictional in the sense that they aren't authentic recreations of the > actual rally stages purported to be represented? Why do they do that? > > BB To make it more exciting for the arcade crowd. CM2.0 has so many winding turns that it makes me feel nauseous.

>"Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote > Fictional in the sense that they aren't authentic recreations of the > actual rally stages purported to be represented? Why do they do that? Because it's much easier to create fictional settings then to map 300km of terrain ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9u7rvl$6s7kj$[email hidden]... > Rally Masters is very good - I'm not sure how anyone could describethe > graphics as 'grainy' - they're as smooth and colourful as any racinggame > I've seen on my machine. I first got the game when I had a TNT2 andit was > a bit average, but with a GeForce, the game really comes to life andruns at > a liquid smooth frame rate. The physics are almost up there withRally > Trophy and are possibly better in some ways. I run RM on a Celeron 400 with TNT... Works great with default options. > Colin McRae Rally (the original) is the best choice for slightly less > serious rallying - lots of fun to be had. The car doesn't seem toslide > properly in the sequel. Make sure you try those fantasy tracks activated with cheat code in the original CMR... :-) --KC

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:37:11 -0500, "STP" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> That's actually incorrect as it says on their website, I think they >> got two proggies mixed up. DXtweak definitely works on win2k, can't >> say about XP but it should be fine there too. >> >> Rafe Mc > >Does that prog reset after a reboot or are they saved as permanent settings? >I ask this because if I change the settings for the wheel then won't it >screw up my joystick too? >Or can you save profiles for various devices?

Don't know the answer to that one, sorry. I thought it was a universal or global change, but I could be wrong. Rafe Mc

"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Don't know the answer to that one, sorry. I thought it was a universal > or global change, but I could be wrong. > > Rafe Mc I went ahead and tried it anyway. That prog has no effect under XP.