Puzzled by Logitech MOMO behavior

I have sold my good old LWFF, and bought the MOMO wheel. Installation (4.11 Wingman drivers) ended with an error, but the wheel seemed to be recognized anyway. Still, I have some questions about its behavior: 1. The wheel doesn't calibrate like the LWFF did (auto movement from left to right). Is this correct? 2. When connected (in WIndows), the wheel is very stiff and only one of the two lights is on. The other light *only* comes on when you go to the properties in the game controllers panel. The stiffness then also disappears, and you can turn the wheel easily (FF also works). But as soon as you leave this screen, the light is off again, and the stiffness is back. I later loaded Colin McRae, and the wheel was ok there, btw (except for the Force Feedback being a bit too strong for me!). Somehow, the wheel's behavior it didn't seem ok to me. Can anyone comment on this? Thanks, Ice D

"Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fD7O7.91$[email hidden]... > I have sold my good old LWFF, and bought the MOMO wheel. Installation(4.11 > Wingman drivers) ended with an error, but the wheel seemed to berecognized > anyway. Still, I have some questions about its behavior: > > 1. The wheel doesn't calibrate like the LWFF did (auto movement from leftto > right). Is this correct? Logitech support recommends you do this by hand (both wheel and pedals). Also get the latest drivers from www.wingmanteam.com. > 2. When connected (in WIndows), the wheel is very stiff and only one ofthe > two lights is on. The other light *only* comes on when you go to the > properties in the game controllers panel. The stiffness then also > disappears, and you can turn the wheel easily (FF also works). But as soon > as you leave this screen, the light is off again, and the stiffness isback. > I later loaded Colin McRae, and the wheel was ok there, btw (except forthe > Force Feedback being a bit too strong for me!). > > Somehow, the wheel's behavior it didn't seem ok to me. Can anyone commenton > this? This is how it should be. Bart Westra

On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:33:15 GMT, "Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote: [snip] >Somehow, the wheel's behavior it didn't seem ok to me. Can anyone comment on >this? The light on mine is only on during games and in the Control Panel like you said. It also exhibits the resistance when not being used. Sounds like everything is OK with yours. Since you've had both wheels, how do you feel about the MOMO vs. the old Wingman FF? I still have both, and despite the slop in the wheel shaft on the old version, I think the feedback feels better. The MOMO would have been great with the bearing shaft and the old cable drive. Tim

"Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9ub1n1$f0j$[email hidden]... > > "Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > Somehow, the wheel's behavior it didn't seem ok to me. > This is how it should be. Ok, thanks. Ice D

"Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> "Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Since you've had both wheels, how do you feel about the MOMO vs. the > old Wingman FF? I still have both, and despite the slop in the wheel > shaft on the old version, I think the feedback feels better. > The MOMO would have been great with the bearing shaft and the old > cable drive.

Well, it certainly feels different, but I find it hard to say whether it's better or worse than the LWFF. I've only played Colin McRae (1) so far, and I won't play other games untill I've build my new system (very soon). The MOMO pedals are similar to the LWFF, except for the pivot point, which is a good thing because you can sort of adjust the pressing angle with your toes. I may put a squash ball under the brake pedal one day, but for now it's alright by me (wouldn't know how anyway). The wheel itself feels more luxurious than the LWFF, because of the leather and the shape. The buttons are a bit harder to reach, but I'll get used to that. The steering feels good (precise), and it's smooth all the way round. You can feel that it's not cable-driven: I don't necessarily dislike that, but I'll have get used to it some more (I'm sure I will). All in all, I do like the MOMO wheel, and I have no regrets so far. But I can also understand what you mean, if you prefer the old wheel. Something can be said for that... Ice D

>I may put a squash ball under the brake pedal one day, but for now it'salright by me (wouldn't know how anyway).< It's been discussed here before, but the squash ball solution is HIGHLY recommended! It's pretty simple: just open the case, pull the brake spring, and drop in your squash ball. The round spring recess in the base holds the ball beautifully. Amazingly, and perhaps amusingly, the diameter of the squash ball matched the height of the spring perfectly. It's like they knew we were coming. ;-) The feel is superb. You can calibrate so that you really have to stand on it to lock the wheels, and the pedal resistance is very progressive. Don't fail to take advantage of the collection of the "gadget" utilities at the Logitech Wingman site. To me, the progressive feel is so nice that I'd be afraid to upgrade to the new BRD pedals , for fear of not being able to reproduce it. But, then again, BRD does have a 90-day return policy. Hmmm.... Jack Rambo Helpful links: New BRD pedals: http://www.interactiveracing.com/products/wheels/brdsim_speed7.asp MOMO beta drivers v4.11c: http://www.wingmanteam.com/Latest_Software/beta_drivers/beta_drivers.htm Wingman gadgets: http://www.wingmanteam.com/Latest_Software/Gadgets/gadgets.htm

"Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote: > It's been discussed here before, but the squash ball solution is HIGHLY > recommended! It's pretty simple: just open the case, pull the brakespring, > and drop in your squash ball. The round spring recess in the base holdsthe > ball beautifully. Amazingly, and perhaps amusingly, the diameter of the > squash ball matched the height of the spring perfectly. It's like theyknew > we were coming. ;-) > > The feel is superb. You can calibrate so that you really have to stand onit > to lock the wheels, and the pedal resistance is very progressive. Don'tfail > to take advantage of the collection of the "gadget" utilities at the > Logitech Wingman site. > > To me, the progressive feel is so nice that I'd be afraid to upgrade tothe > new BRD pedals , for fear of not being able to reproduce it. But, then > again, BRD does have a 90-day return policy. Hmmm.... Thanks for your recommendation, I'm definitely going to give it a try. I have a few more questions: - Is there any specific type of squash ball I need for this? - Do I need to use the Clear Calibration utility from Logitech (or anything else)? - How will the Clear Calibration utility affect my other controllers? (MS Freestyle Pro, MS Force Feedback 2) Cheers, Ice D

>- Is there any specific type of squash ball I need for this?< I just grabbed a few of the only type they had at my local Sports Authority...Dunlop Revelation Pro...two yellow dots for those for whom this means something. I like the feel. >Do I need to use the Clear Calibration utility from Logitech (or anythingelse)?...How will the Clear Calibration utility affect my other controllers? I'm feeling my way in the dark here, probably like most. I used the Clear Calibration utility early on, with no obvious harmful side effects. If anyone knows better, please chime in! Jack