Cart: Heitzler Out as President!

Lovely picture of the guy - looks thrilled to be leaving eh? "Trenchfan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/03CART/011204c.html

In article <ugxP7.58069$[email hidden]>, rob.nospam- [email hidden] says... > Lovely picture of the guy - looks thrilled to be leaving eh? > Heh, it's the same look I've seen on friend's faces as they head for divorce court. :-)

Great news!!!! Now for Chris Kniefel's head :) Rafe Mc On Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:31:01 GMT, Trenchfan <[email hidden]> wrote: >http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/03CART/011204c.html

[email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) writes: > Great news!!!! > > Now for Chris Kniefel's head :) What's wrong with Chris Kniefel ? -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

Kniefe's an adequate road racer, but as Paul Tray states, the job he's done as CART Chief Steward is a joke. Perhaps it's not all his fault, hell CART leadership has been a joke for years now, which is why they're now playing 2nd fiddle to the IRL. "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) writes: > > > Great news!!!! > > > > Now for Chris Kniefel's head :) > > What's wrong with Chris Kniefel ? > > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

"Jay J" <[email hidden]> writes: > Kniefe's an adequate road racer, but as Paul Tray states, the job he's done > as CART Chief Steward is a joke. Perhaps it's not all his fault, hell CART > leadership has been a joke for years now, which is why they're now playing > 2nd fiddle to the IRL. They are ? Since when ?

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> > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) writes: > > > > > Great news!!!! > > > > > > Now for Chris Kniefel's head :) > > > > What's wrong with Chris Kniefel ? > > > > > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove .spam when replying > >

-- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

In article <8iKP7.556$L51.7207@rwcrnsc54>, "Jay J" <[email hidden]> writes: >Kniefe's an adequate road racer, but as Paul Tray states, the job he's done >as CART Chief Steward is a joke. Perhaps it's not all his fault, hell CART >leadership has been a joke for years now, which is why they're now playing >2nd fiddle to the IRL. How much did Tracy get fined for that slam, anyway? I missed that part of the story... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <> How much did Tracy get fined for that slam, anyway? I missed that part of the > story... > > Eldred A-lot! dave henrie

Olav... Since you see a bit uninformed, you might want to check out these links: http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/04IRL/011206a.html http://espn.go.com/rpm/cart/2001/1128/1286110.html http://espn.go.com/rpm/cart/2001/1205/1290519.html http://espn.go.com/rpm/irl/2001/1206/1291118.html http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/cart/2001-10-04-engine.htm http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.cfm?id=17431&series=7 I could go on posting links to major USA new/sports sites but you get the picture... "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Jay J" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Kniefe's an adequate road racer, but as Paul Tray states, the job he'sdone > > as CART Chief Steward is a joke. Perhaps it's not all his fault, hellCART > > leadership has been a joke for years now, which is why they're nowplaying

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> > 2nd fiddle to the IRL. > > They are ? Since when ? > > > > > > > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) writes: > > > > > > > Great news!!!! > > > > > > > > Now for Chris Kniefel's head :) > > > > > > What's wrong with Chris Kniefel ? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Olav K. Malmin > > > remove .spam when replying > > > > > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

"Jay J" <[email hidden]> writes: > Olav... Since you see a bit uninformed, you might want to check out these > links: I'm not uninformed, I just don't buy the "2nd fiddle to IRL" idea. :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 01:32:15 GMT, "Dave Henre" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"EldredP" <> How much did Tracy get fined for that slam, anyway? I missed >that part of the >> story... >> >> Eldred > A-lot! >dave henrie >

In other words, $50,000 plus 2 race probation plus docked 3 points. Pretty harsh, as Castro Neves knocked him out of the race in pit lane and got nothing. Tracy always cops it whenever he causes an incident. (admittedly quite frequently!) but nothing for HCN. Rafe Mc

I thought PT was in the right on that pitlane deal, but then after the penalty they showed the replay again and Paul made two small moves over towards Helio, pinching him toward the pitwall. Not much but he had plenty of room to the right....I think Kneiffel used a common law concept...the last guy with a chance to avoid an accident is at fault...Yes HCN squirreled out alongside Tracey and pushed into his driving line, but Paul had more than enough room to avoid that and continue on. So I think Tracey was fined for NOT avoiding the contact rather than being the sole cause. However...I would have loved to have seen the next sequence in the pits when Paul pulled up alongside the Penske pits and smoked his tires to show his displeasure...TV missed that one... dave henrie "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 01:32:15 GMT, "Dave Henre" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > > >"EldredP" <> How much did Tracy get fined for that slam, anyway? Imissed

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> >that part of the > >> story... > >> > >> Eldred > > A-lot! > >dave henrie > > > In other words, $50,000 plus 2 race probation plus docked 3 points. > > Pretty harsh, as Castro Neves knocked him out of the race in pit lane > and got nothing. Tracy always cops it whenever he causes an incident. > (admittedly quite frequently!) but nothing for HCN. > > Rafe Mc > > >

On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 07:29:52 GMT, [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) wrote:

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>On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 01:32:15 GMT, "Dave Henre" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >> >>"EldredP" <> How much did Tracy get fined for that slam, anyway? I missed >>that part of the >>> story... >>> >>> Eldred >> A-lot! >>dave henrie >> >In other words, $50,000 plus 2 race probation plus docked 3 points. > >Pretty harsh, as Castro Neves knocked him out of the race in pit lane >and got nothing. Tracy always cops it whenever he causes an incident. >(admittedly quite frequently!) but nothing for HCN. > >Rafe Mc > >

From what I remember watching the video on RPM2nite Tracy was way over in Casto Neves's lane. Ultimatley Tracy did Tracy in (again). Then he threw salt in his own wound. OTOH, Tracy seems to be at his best once he's on probation... With no Team Marlboro Penske to compete against it'll be interesting in CART this year.

They did seem to be playing chicken with each other, PT lost out pretty badly. Still surprised that HCN never got anything for not dropping back as he should have. That burnout in the Penske pits would've been good to see, PT doesn't mind firing up a bit, does he???? I cracked up when I heard him talking to the pits commentator, don't hold back now PT :) Expensive 30 secs tho. Rafe Mc On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:49:42 GMT, "Dave Henre" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I thought PT was in the right on that pitlane deal, but then after the >penalty they showed the replay again and Paul made two small moves over >towards Helio, pinching him toward the pitwall. Not much but he had plenty >of room to the right....I think Kneiffel used a common law concept...the >last guy with a chance to avoid an accident is at fault...Yes HCN squirreled >out alongside Tracey and pushed into his driving line, but Paul had more >than enough room to avoid that and continue on. So I think Tracey was fined >for NOT avoiding the contact rather than being the sole cause. > However...I would have loved to have seen the next sequence in the pits >when Paul pulled up alongside the Penske pits and smoked his tires to show >his displeasure...TV missed that one... >dave henrie >"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 01:32:15 GMT, "Dave Henre" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >"EldredP" <> How much did Tracy get fined for that slam, anyway? I >missed >> >that part of the >> >> story... >> >> >> >> Eldred >> > A-lot! >> >dave henrie >> > >> In other words, $50,000 plus 2 race probation plus docked 3 points. >> >> Pretty harsh, as Castro Neves knocked him out of the race in pit lane >> and got nothing. Tracy always cops it whenever he causes an incident. >> (admittedly quite frequently!) but nothing for HCN. >> >> Rafe Mc >> >> >> >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Rafe McAuliffe) writes: >In other words, $50,000 plus 2 race probation plus docked 3 points. > >Pretty harsh, as Castro Neves knocked him out of the race in pit lane >and got nothing. Tracy always cops it whenever he causes an incident. >(admittedly quite frequently!) but nothing for HCN. Whoa - I guessed right? I was on the phone with a friend of mine during PT's outburst. I told my friend "That's gonna cost him at LEAST $50,000." I didn't even think about probation or points, though. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.