OT: There goes CART...

Autosport 12/7/01: Penske quits CART for switch to IRL

Old news. The Team owners (sponsors) wanted to run the Indy 500 and made him switch. Plus he's trying to buy GM and needs all the money he can muster, see also (#12 NASCAR Team closes doors...) Bart Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Autosport 12/7/01: Penske quits CART for switch to IRL

We already went over this a month ago. I don't think we need the same discussion again. JB

Like they said, old news. But CART is looking like coming back from the dead, now that they have finally sacked Joe Heitzler. Rafe Mc On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 22:11:27 GMT, Bart Brown <[email hidden]> wrote: >Autosport 12/7/01: Penske quits CART for switch to IRL

Well, at least now it's official old news. I can't see either series coming back from the dead, but then WDIK?

That's old news..... Marlboro needs to advertise to an audience that is dumb enough to start smoking..... besides, all tobacco advetising is banned after 2006. good riddance i say, tobacco is a terrible drug. "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Autosport 12/7/01: Penske quits CART for switch to IRL

"rik zeppelin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dZpQ7.10616$[email hidden]... > That's old news..... Marlboro needs to advertise to an audience that isdumb > enough to start smoking..... > besides, all tobacco advetising is banned after 2006. Does that apply to CART or other US based racing series?

"nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:anvQ7.104122$[email hidden]... > > "rik zeppelin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dZpQ7.10616$[email hidden]... > , all tobacco advetising is banned after 2006. > > Does that apply to CART or other US based racing series? all series, IIRC.

"rik zeppelin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZcwQ7.34931$[email hidden]...

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> > "nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:anvQ7.104122$[email hidden]... > > > > "rik zeppelin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:dZpQ7.10616$[email hidden]... > > , all tobacco advetising is banned after 2006. > > > > Does that apply to CART or other US based racing series? > > all series, IIRC.

I know the EU is doing it, which was why all the talk of Ecclestone moving F1 races to Asia and Russia got started, and I think that the FIA has since decided this also. But when did CART, NASCAR, or any other US based racing series decide to do this? Just curious. I know there's been talk but hadn't heard anything definite from any series or entity over here.

Nascar/RJR's approach to this has been (In best Sgt. Schultz voice) "We know nothing...nothing!" <G> IOW, something's happening, but not known publicly. It will be interesting; RJR literally saved Nascar's rearend with their sponsorship in '71. If a replacement needs to be found, won't be easy IMO.....and you can bet it would be some asinine pc type of corporation. -John > > I know the EU is doing it, which was why all the talk of Ecclestone moving > F1 races to Asia and Russia got started, and I think that the FIA hassince > decided this also. But when did CART, NASCAR, or any other US basedracing > series decide to do this? Just curious. I know there's been talk but > hadn't heard anything definite from any series or entity over here. >

"nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rTyQ7.104320$[email hidden]... > > I know the EU is doing it, which was why all the talk of Ecclestone moving > F1 races to Asia and Russia got started, and I think that the FIA hassince > decided this also. But when did CART, NASCAR, or any other US basedracing > series decide to do this? Just curious. I know there's been talk but > hadn't heard anything definite from any series or entity over here. The federal government sued the big tobacco companies a couple of years ago, this is part of the settlement. >

"rik zeppelin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ruAQ7.15339$[email hidden]... > > "nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rTyQ7.104320$[email hidden]... > > > > I know the EU is doing it, which was why all the talk of Ecclestonemoving

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> > F1 races to Asia and Russia got started, and I think that the FIA has > since > > decided this also. But when did CART, NASCAR, or any other US based > racing > > series decide to do this? Just curious. I know there's been talk but > > hadn't heard anything definite from any series or entity over here. > > The federal government sued the big tobacco companies a couple of years

ago, > this is part of the settlement. No, the settlement was what reduced them to the 'one sponsored series' deal, not a total withdrawal from racing. RJR, for example, cut their NHRA sponsorship but got to keep NASCAR and it's "Winston" brand involved. Same deal with Penske, who could race with Marlboro colors in CART but not when he ran Indy (mute point next year since he's jumping to the IRL). Or is this some kind of phased in deal I wasn't aware of? Some info at http://espn.go.com/rpm/2001/0717/1227221.html Under the Master Settlement Agreement, with which tobacco companies had to be in compliance by the end of the year, cigarette manufacturers had to reduce their sponsorship to a single program in a 12-month period.

"nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pSGQ7.105071$[email hidden]...

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> > "rik zeppelin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ruAQ7.15339$[email hidden]... > > > > "nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:rTyQ7.104320$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I know the EU is doing it, which was why all the talk of Ecclestone > moving > > > F1 races to Asia and Russia got started, and I think that the FIA has > > since > > > decided this also. But when did CART, NASCAR, or any other US based > > racing > > > series decide to do this? Just curious. I know there's been talk but > > > hadn't heard anything definite from any series or entity over here. > > > > The federal government sued the big tobacco companies a couple of years > ago, > > this is part of the settlement. > > No, the settlement was what reduced them to the 'one sponsored series'

deal, > not a total withdrawal from racing. RJR, for example, cut their NHRA > sponsorship but got to keep NASCAR and it's "Winston" brand involved.Same

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> deal with Penske, who could race with Marlboro colors in CART but not when > he ran Indy (mute point next year since he's jumping to the IRL). Or is > this some kind of phased in deal I wasn't aware of? > > Some info at http://espn.go.com/rpm/2001/0717/1227221.html > > Under the Master Settlement Agreement, with which tobacco companies had to > be in compliance by the end of the year, cigarette manufacturers had to > reduce their sponsorship to a single program in a 12-month period. >

yea, its a gradual "withdrawl" with all sporting event advertising to end in 2006.

This is correct; one series only is allowed. -John > > No, the settlement was what reduced them to the 'one sponsored series'deal, > not a total withdrawal from racing. RJR, for example, cut their NHRA > sponsorship but got to keep NASCAR and it's "Winston" brand involved.Same

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> deal with Penske, who could race with Marlboro colors in CART but not when > he ran Indy (mute point next year since he's jumping to the IRL). Or is > this some kind of phased in deal I wasn't aware of? > > Some info at http://espn.go.com/rpm/2001/0717/1227221.html > > Under the Master Settlement Agreement, with which tobacco companies had to > be in compliance by the end of the year, cigarette manufacturers had to > reduce their sponsorship to a single program in a 12-month period. >

"rik zeppelin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xsLQ7.37106$[email hidden]...

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> > "nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:pSGQ7.105071$[email hidden]... > > > > "rik zeppelin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ruAQ7.15339$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:rTyQ7.104320$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > I know the EU is doing it, which was why all the talk of Ecclestone > > moving > > > > F1 races to Asia and Russia got started, and I think that the FIA

has > > > since > > > > decided this also. But when did CART, NASCAR, or any other US based > > > racing > > > > series decide to do this? Just curious. I know there's been talkbut > > > > hadn't heard anything definite from any series or entity over here. > > > > > > The federal government sued the big tobacco companies a couple ofyears

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> > ago, > > > this is part of the settlement. > > > > No, the settlement was what reduced them to the 'one sponsored series' > deal, > > not a total withdrawal from racing. RJR, for example, cut their NHRA > > sponsorship but got to keep NASCAR and it's "Winston" brand involved. > Same > > deal with Penske, who could race with Marlboro colors in CART but not

when > > he ran Indy (mute point next year since he's jumping to the IRL). Or is > > this some kind of phased in deal I wasn't aware of? > > > > Some info at http://espn.go.com/rpm/2001/0717/1227221.html > > > > Under the Master Settlement Agreement, with which tobacco companies hadto > > be in compliance by the end of the year, cigarette manufacturers had to > > reduce their sponsorship to a single program in a 12-month period. > > > yea, its a gradual "withdrawl" with all sporting event advertising to endin > 2006. No, it doesn't seem to be and nothing that I've read says that. Do you have any sources for this? You may be right but I'd like to read something that backs it up. So far everything seems to say otherwise.

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > This is correct; one series only is allowed. Thanks, that's what I thought. I think some people are confusing F1 and the FIA's decisions on 2006 with the US tobacco settlement.

Agreed. Lawyers are loving it :( -John nobodyspecial <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:F%QQ7.105497$[email hidden]... > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > This is correct; one series only is allowed. > > Thanks, that's what I thought. I think some people are confusing F1 andthe > FIA's decisions on 2006 with the US tobacco settlement. >

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Agreed. Lawyers are loving it :( > > -John > > > nobodyspecial <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:F%QQ7.105497$[email hidden]... > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > This is correct; one series only is allowed. > > > > Thanks, that's what I thought. I think some people are confusing F1 and > the > > FIA's decisions on 2006 with the US tobacco settlement. > >

good point, i'll try to find the source.