F1 2001 major problems!

I installed F1 2001 (+ 1.0.7.4 beta patch + no cd patch) last night, over at a friend of mine. Basic specs: P3 1Ghz, 256MB SDRAM, Radeon 64MB DDR vivo (Omega drivers), Terratec 1024 soundcard, LWFF wheel, Win98. Everything installed fine, menus seemed ok, went through all the options. So then it's time to take the Ferrari out for a spin. But the in-game graphics were so corrupted (every circuit, every race type), it just made the game totally unplayable: you could only see part of the road in front of you, and above this point the graphics were very badly disturbed (as if the textures were very bright and liquid, and getting mixed up as you drove). So from left to right, part of the road and part of the sky is completely messed up, but above that 'belt' the sky suddenly looks normal again! It was like driving in hell. Anyway, we tried all sorts of things to cure this, to no avail. Looked around the web for people with similar problems, messed with some settings in the f1car.gen file, tried lower resolution, tried 16 bit instead of 32 bit, tried medium 3D settings, uninstalled, reinstalled (couldn't run game, had to uninstall patch separately), installed latest Omega drivers, reinstalled DirectX 8.1... What more can one do? (apart from jumping from a rather high building) Anyone recognize the problem? Ice D Ps: can you take screenshots in the game?

"Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:F6pQ7.93$[email hidden]... > I installed F1 2001 (+ 1.0.7.4 beta patch + no cd patch) last night, overat > a friend of mine. > > Basic specs: P3 1Ghz, 256MB SDRAM, Radeon 64MB DDR vivo (Omega drivers), > Terratec 1024 soundcard, LWFF wheel, Win98. > > Everything installed fine, menus seemed ok, went through all the options.So > then it's time to take the Ferrari out for a spin. But the in-gamegraphics > were so corrupted (every circuit, every race type), it just made the game > totally unplayable: you could only see part of the road in front of you,and > above this point the graphics were very badly disturbed (as if thetextures > were very bright and liquid, and getting mixed up as you drove). So from > left to right, part of the road and part of the sky is completely messedup, > but above that 'belt' the sky suddenly looks normal again! It was like > driving in hell. > > Anyway, we tried all sorts of things to cure this, to no avail. Looked > around the web for people with similar problems, messed with somesettings > in the f1car.gen file, tried lower resolution, tried 16 bit instead of 32 > bit, tried medium 3D settings, uninstalled, reinstalled (couldn't rungame,

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> had to uninstall patch separately), installed latest Omega drivers, > reinstalled DirectX 8.1... > > What more can one do? (apart from jumping from a rather high building) > Anyone recognize the problem? > > Ice D > > Ps: can you take screenshots in the game?

Run sfine on the R8500. Maybe you have a setting in your display properties that is causing it. Try looking for W buffer and turning that off or some other option that might be causing it. I loaded Operation Flashpoint yesterday and it was a mess of triangles. Went through all the options in my desktop properties settings for D3D and found it was caused by having Wbuffer support on. The Omega drivers turn that on by default. F12001 works fine with that option on though so not sure what your problem is.

"Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:F6pQ7.93$[email hidden]... > Basic specs: P3 1Ghz, 256MB SDRAM, Radeon 64MB DDR vivo (Omega drivers), > Terratec 1024 soundcard, LWFF wheel, Win98. > What more can one do? (apart from jumping from a rather high building) > Anyone recognize the problem? Replace your pile of crap radeon with a 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 :-) -- [email hidden]

Replace your pile of ***radeon with a 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 :-) --

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> "Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > Basic specs: P3 1Ghz, 256MB SDRAM, Radeon 64MB DDR vivo (Omega drivers), > > Terratec 1024 soundcard, LWFF wheel, Win98. > > > What more can one do? (apart from jumping from a rather high building) > > Anyone recognize the problem? > > Replace your pile of crap radeon with a 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 :-)

No thanks, I'd rather jump... Ice D

"STP" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Run sfine on the R8500. Maybe you have a setting in your displayproperties > that is causing it. Try looking for W buffer and turning that off or some > other option that might be causing it. I loaded Operation Flashpoint > yesterday and it was a mess of triangles. Went through all the options inmy > desktop properties settings for D3D and found it was caused by having > Wbuffer support on. The Omega drivers turn that on by default. > F12001 works fine with that option on though so not sure what your problem > is. Maybe I'll do some more testing with different settings, but my experience with this sort of thing is that the game will probably end up on a pile, labelled: "Permission Denied!" It's just too bad. Ice D

> > Replace your pile of crap radeon with a 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 :-) > > -- > Just last week when I was in a computer shop buying the latest and greatest parts, they had people buying tnt2 cards and the slowest duron available. And these are then the kind of people who complain about software running poorly. Makes you want to scream don't it. Roy Berube (now running F1-2001 and Nascar 4 at 1600x1200 and loving it.)

"Roy Berube" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Replace your pile of crap radeon with a 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 :-) > Just last week when I was in a computer shop buying the latest andgreatest

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> parts, they had people buying tnt2 cards and the slowest duron available. > And these are then the kind of people who complain about software running > poorly. Makes you want to scream don't it. > > Roy Berube > > (now running F1-2001 and Nascar 4 at 1600x1200 and loving it.)

I don't understand how this relates to my post. Care to explain? Ice D

In article <tHuQ7.20968$[email hidden]>, "Roy Berube" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> Just last week when I was in a computer shop buying the latest and greatest >parts, they had people buying tnt2 cards and the slowest duron available. >And these are then the kind of people who complain about software running >poorly. Makes you want to scream don't it. > >Roy Berube > >(now running F1-2001 and Nascar 4 at 1600x1200 and loving it.) >

Many people buy parts based on finances. Meaning, they get what they can afford. It causes problems later only because they don't understand how far OFF the manuf. recommended config guidelines are. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AgqQ7.2338$[email hidden]... > > Replace your pile of crap radeon with a 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 :-) > riiiggghhtttt... Ice D: I corrupted my Radeon 7500 drivers last week and got a similar effect to what you did. My solution: Remove every ATi driver/software you can, boot to safe mode and remove all ati* files from the system folder, delete all ATi registry keys. Reboot and reinstall the ATi drivers then software. Dale.

"Digital Lattice" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... I forgot... also uninstall the card in Device Manager before rebooting to safe mode. Dale.

"Digital Lattice" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:AgqQ7.2338$[email hidden]... > > > > Replace your pile of crap radeon with a 3dfx Voodoo5 5500 :-) > > > > riiiggghhtttt... > > Ice D: I corrupted my Radeon 7500 drivers last week and got a similar > effect to what you did. My solution: > > Remove every ATi driver/software you can, boot to safe mode and remove all > ati* files from the system folder, delete all ATi registry keys. Reboot

and > reinstall the ATi drivers then software. When you say similar effect, did you mean similar in F1 2001? Or did you have problems in other games / applications? Anyway, I'll think about doing what you suggested. Thanks, Ice D

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <tHuQ7.20968$[email hidden]>, "Roy Berube" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Just last week when I was in a computer shop buying the latest andgreatest

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> >parts, they had people buying tnt2 cards and the slowest duron available. > >And these are then the kind of people who complain about software running > >poorly. Makes you want to scream don't it. > > > >Roy Berube > > > >(now running F1-2001 and Nascar 4 at 1600x1200 and loving it.) > > > > Many people buy parts based on finances. Meaning, they get what they can > afford. It causes problems later only because they don't understand how

far > OFF the manuf. recommended config guidelines are. Specs: Aopen case (300W) Asus CUSL2-C mobo Pentium III 1 Ghz 256MB PC133 SDRAM (Crucial) IBM 40GB (60XP) ATI Radeon 64MB DDR vivo Terratec DMX X-Fire 1024 It's a pretty decent system, should be able to run F1 2001 with all bells on. Anything else? Ice D

"Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ycKQ7.72$[email hidden]...

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> Specs: > > Aopen case (300W) > Asus CUSL2-C mobo > Pentium III 1 Ghz > 256MB PC133 SDRAM (Crucial) > IBM 40GB (60XP) > ATI Radeon 64MB DDR vivo > Terratec DMX X-Fire 1024 > > It's a pretty decent system, should be able to run F1 2001 with all bells > on. Anything else?

Sorry but I have to think the problem is your video card. Especially since you were getting corrupt graphics. Are you using DX8.1 along with the latest drivers? Also I would suggest trying different refresh frequencies at different resolutions. There are a bunch to choose from on my V5 5500, and I assume the same is true for your Radeon. BTW, I was mostly joking about getting the V5 5500, but the fact is mine is still kicking and there is no way I would replace it. Certainly not for a Radeon :-) -- [email hidden]

"Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:r5KQ7.69$[email hidden]... > > Ice D: I corrupted my Radeon 7500 drivers last week and got a similar > > effect to what you did. My solution: > > > > Remove every ATi driver/software you can, boot to safe mode and removeall

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> > ati* files from the system folder, delete all ATi registry keys. Reboot > and > > reinstall the ATi drivers then software. > > When you say similar effect, did you mean similar in F1 2001? Or did you > have problems in other games / applications? > > Anyway, I'll think about doing what you suggested.

If my suggestion of trying different refresh frequencies and different resolutions doesn't work, you really have no choice but to do what Ice D suggested. Unless you want to give my real solution a shot :-) -- [email hidden]

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> "Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Specs: > > > > Aopen case (300W) > > Asus CUSL2-C mobo > > Pentium III 1 Ghz > > 256MB PC133 SDRAM (Crucial) > > IBM 40GB (60XP) > > ATI Radeon 64MB DDR vivo > > Terratec DMX X-Fire 1024 > > > > It's a pretty decent system, should be able to run F1 2001 with all

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> > on. Anything else? > Sorry but I have to think the problem is your video card. Especially > since you were getting corrupt graphics. Are you using DX8.1 > along with the latest drivers? Also I would suggest trying different > refresh frequencies at different resolutions. There are a bunch to > choose from on my V5 5500, and I assume the same is true > for your Radeon.

First of all, it isn't really my problem, it's a pc of a friend of mine (as I've said). I normally help him out, since he knows even less about computers than myself... Anyway, I agree the videocard is the main suspect here, it seems obvious. The difficulty is always pinpointing the problem to a specific issue, because that could be a lot of things: drivers, DirectX, OS, advanced settings, etc. Or maybe a bad combination of some of these things, which makes it even more difficult to trace. He's had a few problems before, with games that gave blue screens randomly (mostly Microsoft titles). The soundcard is the suspect there. But I've never seen a game produce such weird graphic artifacts with the Radeon 64MB on this system. In fact, the games I've seen looked very good, even outstanding. So I'm quite convinced that there must to be a way to make F1 2001 work properly. > BTW, I was mostly joking about getting the V5 5500, but the fact > is mine is still kicking and there is no way I would replace it. Certainly > not for a Radeon :-) Well, you can keep your V5 as far as I'm concerned. I'm getting a Radeon 8500, despite this particular problem. The card has a lot of potential, although I admit the current drivers still need improvement. But I have faith! Amen. Ice D

"Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:r5KQ7.69$[email hidden]... > When you say similar effect, did you mean similar in F1 2001? Or did you > have problems in other games / applications? > Yeah, in F1 2001 only I got that "belt" effect you mentioned. I was having other major video issues as well... NFS:PU wouldn't run, 3D screensavers crashed the system, 3DMark2001 crashed the system, etc. In my case I had just upgraded from a Radeon32DDR to a Radeon 7500 and some remanant of the 32DDR's drivers was causing trouble (I suspect something related to DirectX). I did the complete reinstall method I mentioned and I've been stable for several days now. F1 2001 is perfect and 3DMark2001 works. Dale.

"Digital Lattice" <[email hidden]> wrote: > "Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > When you say similar effect, did you mean similar in F1 2001? Or did you > > have problems in other games / applications? > Yeah, in F1 2001 only I got that "belt" effect you mentioned. I washaving > other major video issues as well... NFS:PU wouldn't run, 3D screensavers > crashed the system, 3DMark2001 crashed the system, etc. > > In my case I had just upgraded from a Radeon32DDR to a Radeon 7500 andsome > remanant of the 32DDR's drivers was causing trouble (I suspect something > related to DirectX). I did the complete reinstall method I mentioned and > I've been stable for several days now. F1 2001 is perfect and 3DMark2001 > works. Ah, so you've experienced the 'belt' effect as well, cool (at least I'm not the only one). Do you happen to know which driver version you were using, and what drivers you use now (the Omega drivers or the ATI one's)? By the way, is it really important to perform the drastic reinstall method? Do you have bad experience doing it the simple way (by that I mean: just running the installer for the new drivers)? Cheers, Ice D

"Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:t9OQ7.127$[email hidden]... > Well, you can keep your V5 as far as I'm concerned. I'm getting a Radeon > 8500, despite this particular problem. The card has a lot of potential, > although I admit the current drivers still need improvement. But I have > faith! OK you can have your faith. I will have a computer/video card combo that works well with everything :-) -- [email hidden]

"Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wSRQ7.197$[email hidden]... > Ah, so you've experienced the 'belt' effect as well, cool (at least I'mnot > the only one). Do you happen to know which driver version you were using, > and what drivers you use now (the Omega drivers or the ATI one's)? > ATI, most recent XP drivers (drivers 3276 - same driver set for Radeon 32DDR (7200) as the 7500) > By the way, is it really important to perform the drastic reinstallmethod? > Do you have bad experience doing it the simple way (by that I mean: just > running the installer for the new drivers)? Usually the installer works fine. I've had four or five ATi cards now and I update the drivers each time a new one is released... so that's a lot of updates. I've probably had to do the "drastic install method" five times over several years. Dale.

In article <ycKQ7.72$[email hidden]>, "Ice D" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> Many people buy parts based on finances. Meaning, they get what they can >> afford. It causes problems later only because they don't understand how >far >> OFF the manuf. recommended config guidelines are. > >Specs: > >Aopen case (300W) >Asus CUSL2-C mobo >Pentium III 1 Ghz >256MB PC133 SDRAM (Crucial) >IBM 40GB (60XP) >ATI Radeon 64MB DDR vivo >Terratec DMX X-Fire 1024 > >It's a pretty decent system, should be able to run F1 2001 with all bells >on. Anything else?

Um, I was responding to someone else. I really don't know if your system can run F1 2001 or not. Why did you ask? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <ycKQ7.72$[email hidden]>, "Ice D" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >> Many people buy parts based on finances. Meaning, they get what theycan > >> afford. It causes problems later only because they don't understandhow

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> >far > >> OFF the manuf. recommended config guidelines are. > > > >Specs: > > > >Aopen case (300W) > >Asus CUSL2-C mobo > >Pentium III 1 Ghz > >256MB PC133 SDRAM (Crucial) > >IBM 40GB (60XP) > >ATI Radeon 64MB DDR vivo > >Terratec DMX X-Fire 1024 > > > >It's a pretty decent system, should be able to run F1 2001 with all bells > >on. Anything else? > > Um, I was responding to someone else. I really don't know if your system

can > run F1 2001 or not. Why did you ask? You were responding to Roy Berube, who stated this: "Just last week when I was in a computer shop buying the latest and greatest parts, they had people buying tnt2 cards and the slowest duron available. And these are then the kind of people who complain about software running poorly. Makes you want to scream don't it." And because I'm the one complaining here, he must have been talking about me (it seemed that way anyway). And then you went on about that, saying that many people primarily consider the price tag when they buy hardware. This is not the case here. The system (that belongs to a friend) was built with quality in mind, and also the price tag of course, but to a lesser extent. For instance, it's got Crucial CAS2 memory, instead of some cheap no-name DIMMs. But never mind, enough said about this. Ice D

"Digital Lattice" wrote: > "Ice D" wrote: > > Do you happen to know which driver version you were using, > > and what drivers you use now (the Omega drivers or the ATI one's)? > ATI, most recent XP drivers (drivers 3276 - same driver set for Radeon32DDR > (7200) as the 7500) XP drivers? My friend's system is running Win98... but thanks anyway, I'll keep it in mind. Ice D

"Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:t9OQ7.127$[email hidden]...

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> Well, you can keep your V5 as far as I'm concerned. I'm getting a Radeon > 8500, despite this particular problem. The card has a lot of potential, > although I admit the current drivers still need improvement. But I have > faith! > > Amen. > > Ice D

The R8500 has no problem with F12001 and runs it very well. > > >

"STP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7K5R7.8747$[email hidden]...

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> > "Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:t9OQ7.127$[email hidden]... > > Well, you can keep your V5 as far as I'm concerned. I'm getting a Radeon > > 8500, despite this particular problem. The card has a lot of potential, > > although I admit the current drivers still need improvement. But I have > > faith! > > > > Amen. > > > > Ice D > > The R8500 has no problem with F12001 and runs it very well.

Bullshit... You pussy :-) -- [email hidden]

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eO8R7.1999$[email hidden]... > > The R8500 has no problem with F12001 and runs it very well. > > Bullshit... You pussy :-) Runs it just as well as a GF3 and even better than a GF3 until the patch. I sold my V5 looong time ago.V5 is a nice card so long as you only use it to view screenshots, do some office apps and play Mine Sweeper.