GPL: safe shift point for Honda?

Hi, In the GPVL we're having a winter "fun" series of GP length races using any combination of Honda/Cooper/Maserati chassis/engine. I decided to go Honda/Honda to increase my familiarity with this car. However, the engine went belly up on me after only 25 laps at Zandvoort last night. I'd been shifting up with the revs in the 12:30/1pm range (still using default dash so nu numbers on the counter), is that too high for reliabilities sake? Any of the more experienced Honda drivers care to make a a "safe" shift point suggestion? Thanks, Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. - FCMH schedule : http://home.att.net/~m.jeangerard/GPVLF2/calender.html - Contact : Mark Jeangerard ([email hidden])

That 12:30 sounds fine as long as you lift the throttle when shifting and be careful on downshifts. I made some "standard" setups in which the Honda is one of my favorite setups because I spent the most time on it. You can give them a shot. I tried them without FF and combined-axis and they really handle differently -- they were created using a Ferrari FF and split-axis. Your mileage may vary. http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl/Jasons Standard Setups.zip Jan Verschueren wrote:

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> > Hi, > > In the GPVL we're having a winter "fun" series of GP length races using any > combination of Honda/Cooper/Maserati chassis/engine. I decided to go > Honda/Honda to increase my familiarity with this car. > > However, the engine went belly up on me after only 25 laps at Zandvoort last > night. I'd been shifting up with the revs in the 12:30/1pm range (still > using default dash so nu numbers on the counter), is that too high for > reliabilities sake? > > Any of the more experienced Honda drivers care to make a a "safe" shift > point suggestion? > > Thanks, > > Jan. > =--- > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > > - FCMH schedule : http://home.att.net/~m.jeangerard/GPVLF2/calender.html > - Contact : Mark Jeangerard ([email hidden])

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It isn't really the shift point that makes it blow up...as long as you lift enough when you shift. What really makes it blow up is the downshifting (downshift later to keep the revs down) and 5th gear. In 5th gear if you are revving it right up to the top, it really hurts the engine. You might need to cut back on 5th gear to gain some reliability...the problem with this is that you can lose a half second at tracks like monza where you are in 5th gear a long time. So cut back a bit on 5th gear and downshift later, but the best advice is to hit F10 when you get on the long straight on the track and check your oil temp. Try to keep it under 250. If it gets to 250, shift a little early and downshift much later for a couple of laps. Keep checking the temp and it should fall a good amount. If you need to catch/pass someone, you might want to cut back for a lap or two to let the temp get down, then go all out...but watch out, the temp will sky rocket very fast. A quick note, I have run the Honda at 265 for an int long race at monza and it held together...but I wouldn't recommend getting close to that figure in a GP race...especially for a league. Good luck with the Honda...she is a good car if you treat her right. If you have any questions or want me to explain more/better, email me at [email hidden] Jesse

There is a fine line in the Honda. If you run it hard you can get more speed out of it but the reliability goes way down. I have found the honda to be lacking in power in low revs more than most of the other cars. Jesse gave some good advice. Watch your oil pressure gauge too. If it gets too high then back off for a couple of laps. "Jesse Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9v2rtk$ao6$[email hidden]... > It isn't really the shift point that makes it blow up...as long as youlift > enough when you shift. What really makes it blow up is the downshifting > (downshift later to keep the revs down) and 5th gear. In 5th gear if you > are revving it right up to the top, it really hurts the engine. You might > need to cut back on 5th gear to gain some reliability...the problem with > this is that you can lose a half second at tracks like monza where you are > in 5th gear a long time. So cut back a bit on 5th gear and downshiftlater,

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> but the best advice is to hit F10 when you get on the long straight on the > track and check your oil temp. Try to keep it under 250. If it gets to > 250, shift a little early and downshift much later for a couple of laps. > Keep checking the temp and it should fall a good amount. If you need to > catch/pass someone, you might want to cut back for a lap or two to let the > temp get down, then go all out...but watch out, the temp will sky rocket > very fast. A quick note, I have run the Honda at 265 for an int long race > at monza and it held together...but I wouldn't recommend getting close to > that figure in a GP race...especially for a league. > > Good luck with the Honda...she is a good car if you treat her right. > > If you have any questions or want me to explain more/better, email me at > [email hidden] > > Jesse > > >

Ok, thanks guys.... figuring out how to install Bruce's Honda at the moment so I can make sense of the cockpit gauges. Checking oil temp and pressure using F10 view is out of the question, if I even think about reaching for the keyboard while racing I have an off. Thanks for your input, Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "Brian Bowles" wrote... > There is a fine line in the Honda. If you run it hard you > can get more speed out of it but the reliability goes way > down. I have found the honda to be lacking in power in low > revs more than most of the other cars. Jesse gave some > good advice. Watch your oil pressure gauge too. If it gets > too high then back off for a couple of laps.

In article <9v2rtk$ao6$[email hidden]>, "Jesse Black" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>It isn't really the shift point that makes it blow up...as long as you lift >enough when you shift. What really makes it blow up is the downshifting >(downshift later to keep the revs down) and 5th gear. In 5th gear if you >are revving it right up to the top, it really hurts the engine. You might >need to cut back on 5th gear to gain some reliability...the problem with >this is that you can lose a half second at tracks like monza where you are >in 5th gear a long time. So cut back a bit on 5th gear and downshift later, >but the best advice is to hit F10 when you get on the long straight on the >track and check your oil temp. Try to keep it under 250. If it gets to >250, shift a little early and downshift much later for a couple of laps. >Keep checking the temp and it should fall a good amount. If you need to >catch/pass someone, you might want to cut back for a lap or two to let the >temp get down, then go all out...but watch out, the temp will sky rocket >very fast. A quick note, I have run the Honda at 265 for an int long race >at monza and it held together...but I wouldn't recommend getting close to >that figure in a GP race...especially for a league.

Is there someplace that shows the values for the gauges? I couldn't tell where 250 WAS if I wanted to... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred dont pay attention to the numbers. Just pay attention to the position on the guage. I know if mine gets to a certain point that I might be in danger. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <9v2rtk$ao6$[email hidden]>, "Jesse Black" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >It isn't really the shift point that makes it blow up...as long as youlift > >enough when you shift. What really makes it blow up is the downshifting > >(downshift later to keep the revs down) and 5th gear. In 5th gear if you > >are revving it right up to the top, it really hurts the engine. Youmight > >need to cut back on 5th gear to gain some reliability...the problem with > >this is that you can lose a half second at tracks like monza where youare > >in 5th gear a long time. So cut back a bit on 5th gear and downshiftlater, > >but the best advice is to hit F10 when you get on the long straight onthe > >track and check your oil temp. Try to keep it under 250. If it gets to > >250, shift a little early and downshift much later for a couple of laps. > >Keep checking the temp and it should fall a good amount. If you need to > >catch/pass someone, you might want to cut back for a lap or two to letthe > >temp get down, then go all out...but watch out, the temp will sky rocket > >very fast. A quick note, I have run the Honda at 265 for an int longrace > >at monza and it held together...but I wouldn't recommend getting close to > >that figure in a GP race...especially for a league. > > Is there someplace that shows the values for the gauges? I couldn't tellwhere

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> 250 WAS if I wanted to... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.