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Whats the latest? Whats the url for the Website so I can find out myself? Thanks -- David Stamper Diamond Star Racing n/a

LOL JAN come here! Stamper, if you call in on us at www.simbin.com and check the news section you can see them work :-) Jan!! "DStamper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Whats the latest? Whats the url for the Website so I can find out myself? > > Thanks > > -- > David Stamper > Diamond Star Racing > n/a > >

Check 8 posts down if you wonder why I'm calling Jan :-) Ian www.SimBin.com "Ian Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VgcR7.26002$[email hidden]... > LOL > JAN come here! > > Stamper, if you call in on us at www.simbin.com and check the newssection

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Or up :) -Jacob "Ian Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XhcR7.26008$[email hidden]...

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> Check 8 posts down if you wonder why I'm calling Jan :-) > Ian > www.SimBin.com > > > "Ian Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:VgcR7.26002$[email hidden]... > > LOL > > JAN come here! > > > > Stamper, if you call in on us at www.simbin.com and check the news > section > > you can see them work :-) > > > > Jan!! > > > > > > > > > > "DStamper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Whats the latest? Whats the url for the Website so I can find out > myself? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > -- > > > David Stamper > > > Diamond Star Racing > > > n/a > > > > > > > > > > > >

Or up :) -Jacob

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> Check 8 posts down if you wonder why I'm calling Jan :-) > Ian > www.SimBin.com > > LOL > > JAN come here! > > Stamper, if you call in on us at www.simbin.com and check the news > section > > you can see them work :-) > > Jan!! > > > Whats the latest? Whats the url for the Website so I can find out > myself? > > > Thanks > > > -- > > > David Stamper > > > Diamond Star Racing > > > n/a

Oh my god... that's five in the last two days. It's got to be a conspiracy I tell you!! Jan. ;-) =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "Ian Bell" wrote...

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> LOL > JAN come here! > > Stamper, if you call in on us at www.simbin.com and > check the news section you can see them work :-) > > Jan!!

CART sim?

moo. TRUSRS85 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > CART sim?

On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:05:01 -0500, "DStamper" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Whats the latest? Whats the url for the Website so I can find out myself? > >Thanks You better go hide yourself in a cave now :) Andre

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WSC! WSC! WSC! Rafe Mc On 11 Dec 2001 03:07:59 GMT, [email hidden] (TRUSRS85) wrote: >CART sim?

"DStamper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Whats the latest? Whats the url for the Website so I can find out myself? > > Thanks If these sorts of posts keep popping up, WSC may quickly become as verboten a topic as GPAL :-/ (not that I'm comparing the two... yet)

www.simbin.com For all your sim needs! :-0 "nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HGkR7.107374$[email hidden]... > > "DStamper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Whats the latest? Whats the url for the Website so I can find outmyself? > > > > Thanks > > If these sorts of posts keep popping up, WSC may quickly become asverboten > a topic as GPAL :-/ > > (not that I'm comparing the two... yet) >

Andre Warringa wrote:

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> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:51:35 GMT, "nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >>If these sorts of posts keep popping up, WSC may quickly become as verboten >>a topic as GPAL :-/ >> > > TWO YEARS OF THERAPY FOR NOTHING!!!!! > > Andre > >

Lol.....why did he have to mention those 4 letters :) Ash

On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:51:35 GMT, "nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> wrote: >If these sorts of posts keep popping up, WSC may quickly become as verboten >a topic as GPAL :-/ TWO YEARS OF THERAPY FOR NOTHING!!!!! Andre

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> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:51:35 GMT, "nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >If these sorts of posts keep popping up, WSC may quickly become as verboten > >a topic as GPAL :-/ > > TWO YEARS OF THERAPY FOR NOTHING!!!!!

Andre, In case you missed it, there was a few posts from your "friend" here the other day. :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

On 11 Dec 2001 12:16:35 +0100, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote:

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>[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: > >> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:51:35 GMT, "nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >If these sorts of posts keep popping up, WSC may quickly become as verboten >> >a topic as GPAL :-/ >> >> TWO YEARS OF THERAPY FOR NOTHING!!!!! > >Andre, In case you missed it, there was a few posts from your "friend" >here the other day. :)

I don't have any personal against Jack, I just can't stand it when someone builds a lot of hype and then disappears without a word. Hence my WSC post :) Andre > >-- >Olav K. Malmin >remove .spam when replying

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:51:35 GMT, "nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >If these sorts of posts keep popping up, WSC may quickly become asverboten > >a topic as GPAL :-/ > > TWO YEARS OF THERAPY FOR NOTHING!!!!! >I was going to ask *the* question, but www.deja.com saved me from acquiring an enemy for life. :-) One question does beg an answer, but I'll just keep reading old threads. Seems safer. /Jens

> "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote > > TRUSRS85 <[email hidden]> wrote > > CART sim? > moo.Snuh? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Well that's good to hear. ;-)

On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:16:15 +0100, "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I was going to ask *the* question, but www.deja.com saved me from >acquiring an enemy for life. :-) > >One question does beg an answer, but I'll just keep reading old threads. >Seems safer. Too late.. now I must know the question.. Andre >/Jens

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:16:15 +0100, "Jens H. Kruuse" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I was going to ask *the* question, but www.deja.com saved me from > >acquiring an enemy for life. :-) > > > >One question does beg an answer, but I'll just keep reading old

threads. > >Seems safer. > > Too late.. now I must know the question.. >"Why does Andr� take it so personally?" I have now gone through the old threads and the way I see it, the "story" went like this: 1) Rambo announced GPAL. Andr� was happy. 2) Rambo announced imminent release. Andr� was very happy. 3) Rambo disappered. Andr� was puzzled. 4) Rambo reappeared. Andr� was cautiously optimistic. 5) Rambo disappeared. Andr� was borderline homicidal. GPAL becomes a dirty word. I haven't able to locate a thread that explains why people in general went from "Ah well, vapourware" to "We do not talk about GPAL". Seems to have happened almost overnight. Cheers, Jens P.S. For Andr�: If I were coding the next great GPL application, would you be interested in beta-testing? (No smily).

[jaws drop] Jack Rambo <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YfwR7.144475$[email hidden]... > Well that's good to hear. ;-) >

IT was a group thing actually outta kindness to Andre. We all swore an oath not to mention Gpal again. Anyone who violated this oath and mentioned Gpal online would be visited my many diverse evils. Yes you guessed right, a pack of lawyers and Nvidia driver coders. So you see, We have much to lose by even mentioning Gpal and do all we can to save Andre further grief by NOT talking about Gpal even when others bring the subject up. It's the least friends can do right? dave (remember don't talk about Gpal guys) henrie "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a6xR7.2780$[email hidden]...

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> "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse > news:[email hidden]... > > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:16:15 +0100, "Jens H. Kruuse" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >I was going to ask *the* question, but www.deja.com saved me from > > >acquiring an enemy for life. :-) > > > > > >One question does beg an answer, but I'll just keep reading old > threads. > > >Seems safer. > > > > Too late.. now I must know the question.. > > > "Why does Andr� take it so personally?" > > I have now gone through the old threads and the way I see it, the > "story" went like this: > 1) Rambo announced GPAL. Andr� was happy. > 2) Rambo announced imminent release. Andr� was very happy. > 3) Rambo disappered. Andr� was puzzled. > 4) Rambo reappeared. Andr� was cautiously optimistic. > 5) Rambo disappeared. Andr� was borderline homicidal. GPAL becomes a > dirty word. > > I haven't able to locate a thread that explains why people in general > went from "Ah well, vapourware" to "We do not talk about GPAL". Seems to > have happened almost overnight. > > Cheers, > Jens > > P.S. For Andr�: If I were coding the next great GPL application, would > you be interested in beta-testing? (No smily). > >

"nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HGkR7.107374$[email hidden]... > > "DStamper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Whats the latest? Whats the url for the Website so I can find outmyself? > > > > Thanks > > If these sorts of posts keep popping up, WSC may quickly become asverboten > a topic as GPAL :-/ > > (not that I'm comparing the two... yet) So there's no truth to the rumour that GPAL will support WSC as well?

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:51:35 GMT, "nobodyspecial" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >If these sorts of posts keep popping up, WSC may quickly become asverboten > >a topic as [SENSITIVE WORD DELETED] :-/ > > TWO YEARS OF THERAPY FOR NOTHING!!!!! Oops! My apologies, Andre. I really should have placed some sort of warning in the subject line. :-)

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:00:42 +0100, "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"Why does Andr� take it so personally?" > >I have now gone through the old threads and the way I see it, the >"story" went like this: >1) Rambo announced GPAL. Andr� was happy. Correct. >2) Rambo announced imminent release. Andr� was very happy. GPAL RELEASED TONIGHT!! These words still echo through my mind daily.. >3) Rambo disappered. Andr� was puzzled. Yes.. Rambo asked for betatesters and ofcourse I mailed him immediately. The night before the release the betatesters would get a copy. A bit short time to betatest it, but at least we could check if there weren't any main problems on different systems. Then I got a mail from Jack that we had to wait a couple of hours before we would get the beta, he -only- had a slight problem with the installer. Well.. despite of numerous emails, that was the last thing I heard from Jack. Suddenly he didn't appear on RAS anymore, didn't respond to my emails, and that pissed me off big time. >4) Rambo reappeared. Andr� was cautiously optimistic. Then I and others started to worry that something bad might have happened to Jack.. but a couple of months later he came back here telling he had a system crash, never made a backup of his software and all was lost. I never believed that, looking at the way things went. Now indeed Jack did not owe us anything and I'm gratefull for every contribution people are making for GPL, especially since I have no skills to add something usefull in the form of addons myself. But disappearing without a word after building all the hype, ignoring mails, not giving a reason why he suddenly disappeared, THAT pissed me off. Just a simply mail 'sorry man, I fucked up, GPAL will never see the light of day' would have been enough. >5) Rambo disappeared. Andr� was borderline homicidal. GPAL becomes a >dirty word. I hope you can understand why now and my cynism about WSC.. I'm fully convinced Chris and Tony are extremely dedicated to WSC and the project is still alive, but it's that information stop that annoys me.. at least SAY there's an information stop (and WHY would be nice too). Andre >P.S. For Andr�: If I were coding the next great GPL application, would >you be interested in beta-testing? (No smily). Ofcourse.. as long as you don't disappear without giving any reason I'd be happy too. Andre

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 04:50:09 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> IT was a group thing actually outta kindness to Andre. We all swore an >oath not to mention Gpal again. Anyone who violated this oath and mentioned >Gpal online would be visited my many diverse evils. Yes you guessed right, >a pack of lawyers and Nvidia driver coders. So you see, We have much to >lose by even mentioning Gpal and do all we can to save Andre further grief >by NOT talking about Gpal even when others bring the subject up. It's the >least friends can do right? >dave (remember don't talk about Gpal guys) henrie

I hate you Dave. Andre (nah, I don't)

So, considering that all the screen shots I've seen (sadly missed the ones on Simbin) are of cars mostly not even run in Sportscar Championship events anymore (early Panoz coupes, Ferrari 333SPs, McLaren GTR-1s), and that the series isn't even called "WSC" anymore (FIA Sportscar Championship, FIA GT Championship), is the first West Brothers' release going to be called "WSC Legends"? BB

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>"Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote > So, considering that all the screen shots I've seen (sadly missed the > ones on Simbin) are of cars mostly not even run in Sportscar > Championship events anymore (early Panoz coupes, Ferrari 333SPs, McLaren > GTR-1s), and that the series isn't even called "WSC" anymore (FIA > Sportscar Championship, FIA GT Championship), is the first West > Brothers' release going to be called "WSC Legends"?

Hmmm, no. Present, past, future cars. It makes no real difference. They can call it whatever they want, you know ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:59:33 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: ... >Then I and others started to worry that something bad might have >happened to Jack.. but a couple of months later he came back here >telling he had a system crash, never made a backup of his software and >all was lost. Didn't he come back and offer the source for some developer? There was some dispute about 'why not just put the source up for download' but he wanted to maintain a 'good' home and it ended there I think. >I hope you can understand why now and my cynism about WSC.. I'm fully >convinced Chris and Tony are extremely dedicated to WSC and the >project is still alive, but it's that information stop that annoys >me.. at least SAY there's an information stop (and WHY would be nice >too). There *is* an information stop. :) Not sure why though, there's no reason anymore to do so, except for perhaps devote more time into development instead of PR (reason enough), and hopefully to surprise us for X-Mas. :) In any case, get a credit card. Ruud van Gaal Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

Granted the McClaren F1 is no longer racing much. BUT!. Panoz is still using the OLD roadster, even after building a new model, the old one just works better, and they are updating the old roadster for more campaigning this year in ALMS. Also....Somebody has found a Ferrari 333sp and will be running it at the 2002 Rolex 24hours. So...sommmmmme of the WSC cars are still clanking around out there. dave henrie "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> So, considering that all the screen shots I've seen (sadly missed the > ones on Simbin) are of cars mostly not even run in Sportscar > Championship events anymore (early Panoz coupes, Ferrari 333SPs, McLaren > GTR-1s), and that the series isn't even called "WSC" anymore (FIA > Sportscar Championship, FIA GT Championship), is the first West > Brothers' release going to be called "WSC Legends"? > > BB

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:06:49 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) wrote: >Didn't he come back and offer the source for some developer? There was >some dispute about 'why not just put the source up for download' but >he wanted to maintain a 'good' home and it ended there I think. Yes.. after more than a year of silence. Except one 'say, whatever happened to that GPAL thingy?' post on RAS. >There *is* an information stop. :) >Not sure why though, there's no reason anymore to do so, except for >perhaps devote more time into development instead of PR (reason >enough), and hopefully to surprise us for X-Mas. :) > >In any case, get a credit card. I have heard about a december 2001 release of WSC from a couple of 'insiders' now. I write down all those names on a list. I will pay each of them a visit when WSC is not released this month. You have just been added to my list. :) Andre > >Ruud van Gaal >Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ >Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

ymenard wrote: > > Hmmm, no. > > Present, past, future cars. It makes no real difference. They can call it > whatever they want, you know ;) So you mean it could be, like, "Spirit of Speed 1937 through 1998"? Doesn't seem very true-to-real-world (whatever the hell THAT is). Iffin' you bought F12002 and there was a BRM P160 and a Simtek thrown in there, wouldn't it make you wonder what they really had in mind? Oops, sorry Frank... forgot to turn the subtlety switch off... BB

>"Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote > So you mean it could be, like, "Spirit of Speed 1937 through 1998"? > Doesn't seem very true-to-real-world (whatever the hell THAT is). Iffin' > you bought F12002 and there was a BRM P160 and a Simtek thrown in there, > wouldn't it make you wonder what they really had in mind? Well, my position on this is that they can give us whatever cars, whatever era they want. They can give us track configuration for any year. I don't see it as a lack of seriousness, au contraire they do it on purpose, yet they still keep a level of specific recreation over cars/tracks/billboards/etc... It opens new horizons, you could race modern cars over an older version of a track, or the opposite. Since the first days of the project they told us it would be more then a single series of a singular year. It was evident when the temporary car list they released were really of every era and every type of motorsports. I just don't see why it has to be "true-to-real-world" like you state :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:21:12 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote:

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>On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:06:49 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) >wrote: > >>Didn't he come back and offer the source for some developer? There was >>some dispute about 'why not just put the source up for download' but >>he wanted to maintain a 'good' home and it ended there I think. > >Yes.. after more than a year of silence. Except one 'say, whatever >happened to that GPAL thingy?' post on RAS.

I think by now though the utility is obsolete?

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>>There *is* an information stop. :) >>Not sure why though, there's no reason anymore to do so, except for >>perhaps devote more time into development instead of PR (reason >>enough), and hopefully to surprise us for X-Mas. :) >> >>In any case, get a credit card. > >I have heard about a december 2001 release of WSC from a couple of >'insiders' now. >I write down all those names on a list. >I will pay each of them a visit when WSC is not released this month. > >You have just been added to my list. >:)

Hehe, I said 'hopefully'. I would be surprised too though. Someone said they'd being working till 4am some day. That almost looks like an attempt to make X-Mas. The D3D port is working, there are Max plugins (but these may not be sold). I don't know when the release will be, and I don't have any interest in asking Chris about that, because he'll ofcourse not answer that, but we do have occasional contact so that's why I know that he's still working on it, and sometimes what he's working on. Biggest problem I think at the moment will be getting licensing fixed. If WSC doesn't come out by X-Mas, please note that Racer v0.4.9 will be there before then. ;-) Ruud van Gaal Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:37:42 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) wrote: >>Yes.. after more than a year of silence. Except one 'say, whatever >>happened to that GPAL thingy?' post on RAS. > >I think by now though the utility is obsolete? Absolutely, now we have GEM+ and we can forget GPaL once and for all. If nobody would ever mention GPaL here again that is.. :) >Hehe, I said 'hopefully'. I would be surprised too though. Someone >said they'd being working till 4am some day. That almost looks like an >attempt to make X-Mas. The D3D port is working, there are Max plugins >(but these may not be sold). I thought 4am was a normal working time for us computer freaks? >I don't know when the release will be, and I don't have any interest >in asking Chris about that, because he'll ofcourse not answer that, >but we do have occasional contact so that's why I know that he's still >working on it, and sometimes what he's working on. Biggest problem I >think at the moment will be getting licensing fixed. Thanks for the info. One tip for C&T when you speak to them again: FIRST arrange the licensing, THEN start to program. Not much use spending years on building cars and tracks, and then not getting the licensing arranged.. >If WSC doesn't come out by X-Mas, please note that Racer v0.4.9 will >be there before then. ;-) Whoopy :) Andre > >Ruud van Gaal >Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ >Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:05:19 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: >Absolutely, now we have GEM+ and we can forget XXXX once and for all. >If nobody would ever mention XXXX here again that is.. :) What? I'm sorry, thought you said something. >>Hehe, I said 'hopefully'. I would be surprised too though. Someone >>said they'd being working till 4am some day. That almost looks like an >>attempt to make X-Mas. The D3D port is working, there are Max plugins >>(but these may not be sold). > >I thought 4am was a normal working time for us computer freaks? Not for me anymore; I'm getting too old. ;-) Although yesterday was 2:30am, cleaning up some 3rd party's bug. That was pretty bad too.

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>>I don't know when the release will be, and I don't have any interest >>in asking Chris about that, because he'll ofcourse not answer that, >>but we do have occasional contact so that's why I know that he's still >>working on it, and sometimes what he's working on. Biggest problem I >>think at the moment will be getting licensing fixed. > >Thanks for the info. One tip for C&T when you speak to them again: >FIRST arrange the licensing, THEN start to program. Not much use >spending years on building cars and tracks, and then not getting the >licensing arranged..

Doesn't seem to work like that. Licenses ofcourse take money, and you can't really buy the license *now* for over 3 years (or at least that seems very scary). Besides, that puts a deadline up. Notice a Chris-West post from that Google search yesterday (or was it 2 days ago?); he seems to have started at around april '99. Add 3 years... oops! :) Anyway, car companies can retreat while you think you have a verbal deal for the future. So the Wests just have a couple of cars lying around, but they won't be released unless licensed. Tracks are more work, so more important anyway, I think. And ofcourse, programming. For me, I'd also buy v0.8 if it was there, a bit incomplete. >>If WSC doesn't come out by X-Mas, please note that Racer v0.4.9 will >>be there before then. ;-) > >Whoopy :) :) Ruud van Gaal Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

By the time WSC is released, the cars WILL be legends.......LoL