Geforce 2 GTS locks up in NASCAR 4 and GPL - HELP!

I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card in my system, but it seems to have some sort of problem when running demanding D3D and OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I have anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it's not long before the video goes dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only way out is to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it unstable. I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41 drivers just for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remains and is still intolerable. Is there a work around for this or am I the only one having a problem? I'm hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more stable. Should I go back and install them? Thanks in advance! John Cauthen

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> I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card in my system, > but it seems to have some sort of problem when running demanding D3D and > OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I have > anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it's not long before the video goes > dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only way out > is to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it unstable. > > I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41 drivers

just > for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remains and is still > intolerable. Is there a work around for this or am I the only one havinga > problem? I'm hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more stable. > Should I go back and install them? What's in the rest of the system? Might be helpful. =) -- - Will DeRivera - GPL Rank 113.13, damn the 'ring! - http://www.numic.net - http://www.luxt.com

What are your system temps like, particularly your case temp? This is almost always a heat related issue, and I solved mine by adding two additional case fans to help move air through the case. Does your video card have a fan on it or just a heatsink? Good luck, Ryan

"Will DeRivera" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V29R7.1415$[email hidden]... > John Cauthen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9v34ui$aiuc$[email hidden]... > > I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card in mysystem, > > but it seems to have some sort of problem when running demanding D3D and > > OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I have > > anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it's not long before the videogoes > > dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only wayout > > is to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it unstable. > > > > I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41 drivers > just > > for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remains and isstill > > intolerable. Is there a work around for this or am I the only onehaving > a > > problem? I'm hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more stable. > > Should I go back and install them? > > What's in the rest of the system? Might be helpful. =) It's a Celeron 900 overclocked to 1200 at 1.85 volts. I also have a Sound Blaster Live Value card. I'm running on an ABit BH6 motherboard, and I'm using 256 MB of Micron PC-133 RAM. Thanks, John

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> -- > - Will DeRivera > - GPL Rank 113.13, damn the 'ring! > - http://www.numic.net > - http://www.luxt.com > >

"Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6b9R7.188$[email hidden]... > What are your system temps like, particularly your case temp? This is > almost always a heat related issue, and I solved mine by adding two > additional case fans to help move air through the case. Does your video > card have a fan on it or just a heatsink? System temp is 86 deg F, case temperature is 77 degrees F (never higher). I've actually got the case off the enclosure right now just to preclude that possibility. My video card has a fan on the heatsink. Is there a way to monitor the card temp? If so, where's the best place to monitor it? Thanks! John > > Good luck, > Ryan > >

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> > "Will DeRivera" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:V29R7.1415$[email hidden]... > > John Cauthen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9v34ui$aiuc$[email hidden]... > > > I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card > > > in my system, but it seems to have some sort of problem when > > > running demanding D3D and OpenGL applications. Most noteable > > > are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I have anything greater than 1X AGP > > > enabled, it's not long before the video goes dark and the audio > > > goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only way out is to > > > reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it > > > unstable. > > > > > > I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41 > > > drivers just for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the > > > problem remains and is still intolerable. Is there a work > > > around for this or am I the only one having a problem? I'm > > > hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more stable. > > > Should I go back and install them? > > > > What's in the rest of the system? Might be helpful. =) > > It's a Celeron 900 overclocked to 1200 at 1.85 volts. I also have > a Sound Blaster Live Value card. I'm running on an ABit BH6 > motherboard, and I'm using 256 MB of Micron PC-133 RAM. > > Thanks, > > John

The BH6 seems to be the problem here. I used to have one and loved it, it's a great board. But it also is pre GeForce, and seems to have too weak powersupply to the AGP port. I experienced the same problems as you, and the only thing that helped me was replacing the BH6 for a modern board that is build to supply powerhungry modern graphics cards. Never had the problem again. -- René van Lobberegt, The Netherlands.

"Ren� van Lobberegt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... John Cauthen wrote: The BH6 seems to be the problem here. I used to have one and loved it, it's a great board. But it also is pre GeForce, and seems to have too weak powersupply to the AGP port. I experienced the same problems as you, and the only thing that helped me was replacing the BH6 for a modern board that is build to supply powerhungry modern graphics cards. Never had the problem again. I see... now that you say it, that makes a lot of sense, Rene. Also, my system only has a 250 watt power supply; but I don't know if that has any bearing on it or not. There's no way to regulate the power the BH6 sends to the AGP slot? I really like the MB, I hate to part with it... Thanks for your help! John -- Ren� van Lobberegt, The Netherlands.

I don't know about monitoring the video card, I suppose you could buy a temp sensor and plug it in to your motherboard if if has the ability to do so. But from reading about your system and also the temperatures you gave, I think Rene is right - your motherboard is to blame. Ryan

"Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wcbR7.276$[email hidden]... > I don't know about monitoring the video card, I suppose you could buy atemp > sensor and plug it in to your motherboard if if has the ability to do so. > But from reading about your system and also the temperatures you gave, I > think Rene is right - your motherboard is to blame. I'd have to look into the motherboard temp sensor options. Having read Rene's comments, I then did a search on Google for BH6/Geforce 2 GTS problems and find that others are having the same problem to some degree or another. It's funny, my Geforce 2 MX 400 didn't have a problem at all. I guess it's the added demands of the GTS that's at play here. It seems like there would be a way I could boost the supply voltage and/or power to the AGP slot... I'm going to look into that option for a while. The fiddler in me can't resist this challenge! :-) John

Simple--stop overclocking and see if the problem goes away. It likely will. Marc "John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9v37l5$akj7$[email hidden]...

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> > "Will DeRivera" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:V29R7.1415$[email hidden]... > > John Cauthen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9v34ui$aiuc$[email hidden]... > > > I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card in my > system, > > > but it seems to have some sort of problem when running demanding D3D

and > > > OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I have > > > anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it's not long before the video > goes > > > dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only way > out > > > is to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes itunstable.

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> > > > > > I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41 drivers > > just > > > for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remains and is > still > > > intolerable. Is there a work around for this or am I the only one > having > > a > > > problem? I'm hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more stable. > > > Should I go back and install them? > > > > What's in the rest of the system? Might be helpful. =) > > It's a Celeron 900 overclocked to 1200 at 1.85 volts. I also have a Sound > Blaster Live Value card. I'm running on an ABit BH6 motherboard, and I'm > using 256 MB of Micron PC-133 RAM. > > Thanks, > > John > > -- > > - Will DeRivera > > - GPL Rank 113.13, damn the 'ring! > > - http://www.numic.net > > - http://www.luxt.com > > > > > >

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O0hR7.15045$%[email hidden]... > Simple--stop overclocking and see if the problem goes away. It likelywill. I"ve ruled out overclocking as the problem. I can stick my Geforce 2 MX in this same computer and it doesn't miss a beat. I think Rene is onto something concerning my ABit Bh6's inability to supply the GTS adequate power via the AGP slot. My FSB is 133 MHz, which sets the card up with the optimum clock speed. Thanks, John Cauthen

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> > Marc > > "John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9v37l5$akj7$[email hidden]... > > > > "Will DeRivera" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:V29R7.1415$[email hidden]... > > > John Cauthen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:9v34ui$aiuc$[email hidden]... > > > > I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card in my > > system, > > > > but it seems to have some sort of problem when running demanding D3D > and > > > > OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I have > > > > anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it's not long before the video > > goes > > > > dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only

way > > out > > > > is to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it > unstable. > > > > > > > > I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41drivers

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> > > just > > > > for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remains and is > > still > > > > intolerable. Is there a work around for this or am I the only one > > having > > > a > > > > problem? I'm hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more

stable. > > > > Should I go back and install them? > > > > > > What's in the rest of the system? Might be helpful. =) > > > > It's a Celeron 900 overclocked to 1200 at 1.85 volts. I also have aSound > > Blaster Live Value card. I'm running on an ABit BH6 motherboard, andI'm

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> > using 256 MB of Micron PC-133 RAM. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > -- > > > - Will DeRivera > > > - GPL Rank 113.13, damn the 'ring! > > > - http://www.numic.net > > > - http://www.luxt.com > > > > > > > > > > > >

That doesnt rule out overclocking The combination of oc' and the nvidia 32mb video hp may be the culprit Youll have to turn off the oc' With the GF2 card and test to be sure The Mx card doesnt have near the hp so the oc' isnt affected (near as much) -- Tim White INTRAC Motorsports www.birds-i-view.com/intrac John Cauthen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9v4p5p$bviu$[email hidden]... > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:O0hR7.15045$%[email hidden]... > > Simple--stop overclocking and see if the problem goes away. It likely > will. > > I"ve ruled out overclocking as the problem. I can stick my Geforce 2 MX in > this same computer and it doesn't miss a beat. I think Rene is onto > something concerning my ABit Bh6's inability to supply the GTS adequate > power via the AGP slot. My FSB is 133 MHz, which sets the card up with the > optimum clock speed. > > Thanks, > > John Cauthen > > > > > Marc > > > > "John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9v37l5$akj7$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Will DeRivera" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:V29R7.1415$[email hidden]... > > > > John Cauthen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:9v34ui$aiuc$[email hidden]... > > > > > I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card in my > > > system, > > > > > but it seems to have some sort of problem when running demanding D3D > > and > > > > > OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I have > > > > > anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it's not long before the video > > > goes > > > > > dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only > way > > > out > > > > > is to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it > > unstable. > > > > > > > > > > I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41 > drivers > > > > just > > > > > for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remains and is > > > still > > > > > intolerable. Is there a work around for this or am I the only one > > > having > > > > a > > > > > problem? I'm hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more > stable. > > > > > Should I go back and install them? > > > > > > > > What's in the rest of the system? Might be helpful. =) > > > > > > It's a Celeron 900 overclocked to 1200 at 1.85 volts. I also have a > Sound > > > Blaster Live Value card. I'm running on an ABit BH6 motherboard, and > I'm > > > using 256 MB of Micron PC-133 RAM. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > John > > > > -- > > > > - Will DeRivera > > > > - GPL Rank 113.13, damn the 'ring! > > > > - http://www.numic.net > > > > - http://www.luxt.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Also make sue you have at least a 300w ps Very inexpensive to replace -- Tim White INTRAC Motorsports www.birds-i-view.com/intrac John Cauthen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9v3ojj$ared$[email hidden]... > > "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wcbR7.276$[email hidden]... > > I don't know about monitoring the video card, I suppose you could buy a > temp > > sensor and plug it in to your motherboard if if has the ability to do so. > > But from reading about your system and also the temperatures you gave, I > > think Rene is right - your motherboard is to blame. > > I'd have to look into the motherboard temp sensor options. Having read > Rene's comments, I then did a search on Google for BH6/Geforce 2 GTS > problems and find that others are having the same problem to some degree or > another. It's funny, my Geforce 2 MX 400 didn't have a problem at all. I > guess it's the added demands of the GTS that's at play here. It seems like > there would be a way I could boost the supply voltage and/or power to the > AGP slot... I'm going to look into that option for a while. The fiddler in > me can't resist this challenge! :-) > > John > > > >

"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uxpR7.233866$[email hidden]... > That doesnt rule out overclocking > The combination of oc' and the nvidia 32mb video hp may be the culprit > Youll have to turn off the oc' With the GF2 card and test to be sure > The Mx card doesnt have near the hp so the oc' isnt affected (near asmuch) Okay, just to rule out oc'ing the CPU as the fault, I switched the FSB back to default (100 Mhz). It didn't make any difference whatsover. The crashes occur with the same frequency and the same symptoms. I did notice something that I find even more peculiar. The GTS will actually operate longer before shutting down if I run it at 4X AGP, versus 2X AGP!? It runs steady (at either FSB speed) with AGP 1X selected. However, if I go in and enable sidebanding, I'll get a shutdown in 15 to 20 minutes. The further I go with this, the evidence I'm finding to support Rene's analysis of this problem, ie., inadequate power to the AGP slot. Thanks for your suggestions Tim, it did help to exclude these possibilities! John Cauthen

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> > > -- > Tim White > INTRAC Motorsports > www.birds-i-view.com/intrac > > > John Cauthen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9v4p5p$bviu$[email hidden]... > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:O0hR7.15045$%[email hidden]... > > > Simple--stop overclocking and see if the problem goes away. It likely > > will. > > > > I"ve ruled out overclocking as the problem. I can stick my Geforce 2 MX > in > > this same computer and it doesn't miss a beat. I think Rene is onto > > something concerning my ABit Bh6's inability to supply the GTS adequate > > power via the AGP slot. My FSB is 133 MHz, which sets the card up with > the > > optimum clock speed. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John Cauthen > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > "John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:9v37l5$akj7$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "Will DeRivera" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:V29R7.1415$[email hidden]... > > > > > John Cauthen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:9v34ui$aiuc$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card in

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> > > > system, > > > > > > but it seems to have some sort of problem when running demanding > D3D > > > and > > > > > > OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I > have > > > > > > anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it's not long before the > video > > > > goes > > > > > > dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The

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> > way > > > > out > > > > > > is to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it > > > unstable. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41 > > drivers > > > > > just > > > > > > for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remains

and > is > > > > still > > > > > > intolerable. Is there a work around for this or am I the onlyone

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> > > > having > > > > > a > > > > > > problem? I'm hearing that the 21.83 drivers are perhaps more > > stable. > > > > > > Should I go back and install them? > > > > > > > > > > What's in the rest of the system? Might be helpful. =) > > > > > > > > It's a Celeron 900 overclocked to 1200 at 1.85 volts. I also have a > > Sound > > > > Blaster Live Value card. I'm running on an ABit BH6 motherboard,

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> > I'm > > > > using 256 MB of Micron PC-133 RAM. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > John > > > > > -- > > > > > - Will DeRivera > > > > > - GPL Rank 113.13, damn the 'ring! > > > > > - http://www.numic.net > > > > > - http://www.luxt.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:azpR7.233879$[email hidden]... > Also make sue you have at least a 300w ps > Very inexpensive to replace I might just stick a 300 watt power supply in there before I do anything else. The 250 watt job that's in there now is 5 years old and has seen plenty of use. I'll let you know how this turns out; I'm sure I'm not the only one dealing with this issue concerning the GTS card and older MB's. Mucho thanko! John Cauthen

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> > -- > Tim White > INTRAC Motorsports > www.birds-i-view.com/intrac > > > John Cauthen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9v3ojj$ared$[email hidden]... > > > > "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:wcbR7.276$[email hidden]... > > > I don't know about monitoring the video card, I suppose you could buy

a > > temp > > > sensor and plug it in to your motherboard if if has the ability to do > so. > > > But from reading about your system and also the temperatures you gave,I

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> > > think Rene is right - your motherboard is to blame. > > > > I'd have to look into the motherboard temp sensor options. Having read > > Rene's comments, I then did a search on Google for BH6/Geforce 2 GTS > > problems and find that others are having the same problem to some degree > or > > another. It's funny, my Geforce 2 MX 400 didn't have a problem at all.

I > > guess it's the added demands of the GTS that's at play here. It seems > like > > there would be a way I could boost the supply voltage and/or power tothe

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> > AGP slot... I'm going to look into that option for a while. The fiddler > in > > me can't resist this challenge! :-) > > > > John > > > > > > > > > >

"John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:9v653b$csq9$[email hidden]:

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> > "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:azpR7.233879$[email hidden]... >> Also make sue you have at least a 300w ps >> Very inexpensive to replace > > I might just stick a 300 watt power supply in there before I do > anything else. The 250 watt job that's in there now is 5 years old and > has seen plenty of use. I'll let you know how this turns out; I'm sure > I'm not the only one dealing with this issue concerning the GTS card > and older MB's. > > Mucho thanko! > > John Cauthen > >> >> -- >> Tim White >> INTRAC Motorsports www.birds-i-view.com/intrac >> >> >> John Cauthen <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:9v3ojj$ared$[email hidden]... >> > I'd have to look into the motherboard temp sensor options. Having >> > read Rene's comments, I then did a search on Google for BH6/Geforce >> > 2 GTS problems and find that others are having the same problem to >> > some degree or another. It's funny, my Geforce 2 MX 400 didn't have >> > a problem at all. I guess it's the added demands of the GTS that's >> > at play here. It seems like there would be a way I could boost the >> > supply voltage and/or power to the AGP slot... I'm going to look >> > into that option for a while. >> > The fiddler in me can't resist this challenge! :-) >> >

Hmmm...until just recently, I was running an Abit BH-6 with a GeForce2 GTS and never experienced any problems. It could be a bad card... Mine was a Creative Annihilator 2 instead of the Visiontek model. -- Dave Long

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Long" <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,rec.autos.simulators Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Geforce 2 GTS locks up in NASCAR 4 and GPL - HELP! > Hmmm...until just recently, I was running an Abit BH-6 with a GeForce2 GTS > and never experienced any problems. It could be a bad card... Mine was a > Creative Annihilator 2 instead of the Visiontek model. Dave, Do you know what wattage your power supply is? That might help me to know, especially if you're running a 300 w job. I'm getting e-mails from others who have also had this problem with the BH6. One told me that in his case going with a higher watt power supply did the trick. I'd just like to see a trend. Thanks, John Cauthen

Try w/o the sblife. A lotta reports about problems with this combination. JensSchumi On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:13:24 -0500, "John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I've recently installed a Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card in my system, >but it seems to have some sort of problem when running demanding D3D and >OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I have >anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it's not long before the video goes >dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only way out >is to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X makes it unstable.<snip> --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://jensschumi.tripod.com/ GPLRank: -14.82 Monsters of GPL: sub 95