Re: F1 2001: PEDAL FIX!!!!

Appreciated. Although I still think it's bloody stupid that you have to fix it in the first place. Why don't it just WORK..! Ice D ________________________ "Richard S Beckett" wrote: Guys, [...] I ran DXTweak, and found that the pedals sit at a value of 63, and this reduces to 0 as they are pressed. After a bit of fiddling, I adjusted the centre value to be 62, and the pedals now work perfectly over their entire range. So, the rule seems to be: set the centre value for each pedal to be one value away from the value you get when the pedals are not pressed. I.e. if the range is 0 -> 100, set the centre at 1, if it's 63 -> 0, set the centre to 62. Does anyone have any EA contacts, to give them this information, so that it can be in the proper patch? Hmmm.... actually, they should be convinced that they can't release a sim like this without it's own calibration routine, anyway... I can now lock the brakes on the default setup, I have no more spins for no apparent reason, and I found a bonus. Doesn't really make a difference, but it's well cool... Sitting on the grid at the start, revving the engine, I noticed that the vibration changes as the revs do! This sim has now taken GPL's crown IMO. ________________________________

"Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> writes: <snip dxtweak trick for F1 2001> Anyone know how to make this work in Win2000 or XP ? I want to get rid of that WinME partition I need ONLY for F1 2001. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

Does this tweak affect other games using the MSFF? I'd like to try it, but I drive everything. Richard S Beckett wrote:

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> > x-no-archive: yes > > Guys, > > I have an MSFF gameport version, but I'm sure this will work for any other controllers with the same problem. I have set the pedals to split axes, but then F1 2001 has a huge deadzone on the pedals - the wheel is fine. The pedals don't do anything until they are 50% depressed. > > Well, I say deadzone, but actually it's not. I used the deadzone tweaker and it made no difference. Anyway, if it was a deadzone problem, why is the wheel OK? > > I ran DXTweak, and found that the pedals sit at a value of 63, and this reduces to 0 as they are pressed. > > After a bit of fiddling, I adjusted the centre value to be 62, and the pedals now work perfectly over their entire range. >

-- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL) http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims) (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

Richard, I'm going to post this in my forums if that's OK I have a member that was asking how to resolve this exact problem. I'll give you credit of course. Thanks Ian "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]>writes:

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> > <snip dxtweak trick for F1 2001> > > Anyone know how to make this work in Win2000 or XP ? I want to get > rid of that WinME partition I need ONLY for F1 2001. > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

Nice one Richard, thanks! James "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9v78hp$[email hidden]... x-no-archive: yes Guys, I don't care about the credit for this. Someone else gave me the idea, and I came up with the values, but I think this needs a new thread to get the information out to those who need it. I have an MSFF gameport version, but I'm sure this will work for any other controllers with the same problem. I have set the pedals to split axes, but then F1 2001 has a huge deadzone on the pedals - the wheel is fine. The pedals don't do anything until they are 50% depressed. Well, I say deadzone, but actually it's not. I used the deadzone tweaker and it made no difference. Anyway, if it was a deadzone problem, why is the wheel OK? I ran DXTweak, and found that the pedals sit at a value of 63, and this reduces to 0 as they are pressed. After a bit of fiddling, I adjusted the centre value to be 62, and the pedals now work perfectly over their entire range. So, the rule seems to be: set the centre value for each pedal to be one value away from the value you get when the pedals are not pressed. I.e. if the range is 0 -> 100, set the centre at 1, if it's 63 -> 0, set the centre to 62. Does anyone have any EA contacts, to give them this information, so that it can be in the proper patch? Hmmm.... actually, they should be convinced that they can't release a sim like this without it's own calibration routine, anyway... I can now lock the brakes on the default setup, I have no more spins for no apparent reason, and I found a bonus. Doesn't really make a difference, but it's well cool... Sitting on the grid at the start, revving the engine, I noticed that the vibration changes as the revs do! This sim has now taken GPL's crown IMO. R. PS. Does DXTweak run agonisingly slowly for everyone, or is it just my system?

What is the settings that you used in the dxtweaker. I have 3 different settings, min center and max.. I tried messing with the settings and f**ked it all up... "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9v78hp$[email hidden]... x-no-archive: yes Guys, I don't care about the credit for this. Someone else gave me the idea, and I came up with the values, but I think this needs a new thread to get the information out to those who need it. I have an MSFF gameport version, but I'm sure this will work for any other controllers with the same problem. I have set the pedals to split axes, but then F1 2001 has a huge deadzone on the pedals - the wheel is fine. The pedals don't do anything until they are 50% depressed. Well, I say deadzone, but actually it's not. I used the deadzone tweaker and it made no difference. Anyway, if it was a deadzone problem, why is the wheel OK? I ran DXTweak, and found that the pedals sit at a value of 63, and this reduces to 0 as they are pressed. After a bit of fiddling, I adjusted the centre value to be 62, and the pedals now work perfectly over their entire range. So, the rule seems to be: set the centre value for each pedal to be one value away from the value you get when the pedals are not pressed. I.e. if the range is 0 -> 100, set the centre at 1, if it's 63 -> 0, set the centre to 62. Does anyone have any EA contacts, to give them this information, so that it can be in the proper patch? Hmmm.... actually, they should be convinced that they can't release a sim like this without it's own calibration routine, anyway... I can now lock the brakes on the default setup, I have no more spins for no apparent reason, and I found a bonus. Doesn't really make a difference, but it's well cool... Sitting on the grid at the start, revving the engine, I noticed that the vibration changes as the revs do! This sim has now taken GPL's crown IMO. R. PS. Does DXTweak run agonisingly slowly for everyone, or is it just my system?

I posted this fix the day the patch was released, but who's counting? :) -- Pat Dotson Ian Bell wrote: > > Richard, I'm going to post this in my forums if that's OK I have a member > that was asking how to resolve this exact problem. > I'll give you credit of course. > Thanks > Ian > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > > > <snip dxtweak trick for F1 2001> > > > > Anyone know how to make this work in Win2000 or XP ? I want to get > > rid of that WinME partition I need ONLY for F1 2001. > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove .spam when replying

It doesn't affect N4 or GPL. That's all I've tried it with since changing the values with DXtweak months ago. -- Pat Dotson Jason Monds wrote: > > Does this tweak affect other games using the MSFF? I'd like to try it, > but I drive everything. > > Richard S Beckett wrote: > > > > x-no-archive: yes > > > > Guys, > > > > I have an MSFF gameport version, but I'm sure this will work for any other controllers with the same problem. I have set the pedals to split axes, but then F1 2001 has a huge deadzone on the pedals - the wheel is fine. The pedals don't do anything until they are 50% depressed. > > > > Well, I say deadzone, but actually it's not. I used the deadzone tweaker and it made no difference. Anyway, if it was a deadzone problem, why is the wheel OK? > > > > I ran DXTweak, and found that the pedals sit at a value of 63, and this reduces to 0 as they are pressed. > > > > After a bit of fiddling, I adjusted the centre value to be 62, and the pedals now work perfectly over their entire range. > > > -- > Jason Monds > http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL) > http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims) > (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

Ahh, if the settings aren't permanent I can reboot if they do cause problems with another program. Richard S Beckett wrote:

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> > Job done - well, 'till you reboot, anyway. When you restart your 'puter, you'll have to do it again. > > Anyone know how to make the change permanent? > > R. >

-- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL) http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims) (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

Too bad none of this works with Act-Labs. Any changes I make in DXtweaker to the break and throttle axes effects the steering axis also. For whatever reason, DX8, WinME or AL. DXtweaker just doesn't work. It's really to bad too! Because Act-Labs makes decent hardware. But, with a company that makes crappy hardware like Thrustmaster they have a great software like Thrustmapper. With thrustmapper you can change the values of the axis and link them to specific games. I wish Act-Labs would provide some decent software for their great products. A program like thrustmapper would make a lot of these type of problems a lot easier to solve. Kurt "Jason Monds" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ahh, if the settings aren't permanent I can reboot if they do cause > problems with another program. > > Richard S Beckett wrote: > > > > Job done - well, 'till you reboot, anyway. When you restart your 'puter,you'll have to do it again.

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> > > > Anyone know how to make the change permanent? > > > > R. > > > -- > Jason Monds > http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL) > http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims) > (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying) >

Thrustmapper was a good idea, but it didn't allow me to connect my Act-Labs Shifter (and keep the Ferrari FF Gaming Option). TMapper also made duplicates if you turned the wheel on/off. Earthlink wrote:

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> > Too bad none of this works with Act-Labs. Any changes I make in DXtweaker > to the break and throttle axes effects the steering axis also. For whatever > reason, DX8, WinME or AL. DXtweaker just doesn't work. It's really to bad > too! Because Act-Labs makes decent hardware. But, with a company that > makes crappy hardware like Thrustmaster they have a great software like > Thrustmapper. With thrustmapper you can change the values of the axis and > link them to specific games. I wish Act-Labs would provide some decent > software for their great products. A program like thrustmapper would make a > lot of these type of problems a lot easier to solve. > > Kurt > "Jason Monds" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Ahh, if the settings aren't permanent I can reboot if they do cause > > problems with another program. > >

-- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL) http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims) (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

Nope it screwed it up only for f12k1 all other games ok, even after rebooting... "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9v9ump$[email hidden]... x-no-archive: yes Don't worry about messing up the settings - simply exit DXTweak, and reboot. If you look at the raw values, you can see what each pedal is set at when not pressed. With my MSFF gameport this is 63 for both pedals. Press a pedal all the way down (you may want to do this slowly, so you can see the values changing, to identify the correct box), and see what the raw value changes to. My MSFF goes down to 0 on both pedals. Then, in the boxes on the right hand side, you can see the values for each axis, and you can adjust the minimum, center, and maximum values. With my MSFF the minimum is 63, the center is 31 and the maximum is 0. Adjust the center value to be 62 for both, then click on close. Job done - well, 'till you reboot, anyway. When you restart your 'puter, you'll have to do it again. Anyone know how to make the change permanent? R. "DJR420" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2gSR7.39290$[email hidden]... > What is the settings that you used in the dxtweaker. I have 3 different > settings, min center and max.. I tried messing with the settings andf**ked > it all up... > > > "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrotein > message news:9v78hp$[email hidden]... > x-no-archive: yes > > Guys, > > I don't care about the credit for this. Someone else gave me the idea, andI

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> came up with the values, but I think this needs a new thread to get the > information out to those who need it. > > I have an MSFF gameport version, but I'm sure this will work for any other > controllers with the same problem. > > I have set the pedals to split axes, but then F1 2001 has a huge deadzone

on > the pedals - the wheel is fine. The pedals don't do anything until theyare > 50% depressed. > > Well, I say deadzone, but actually it's not. I used the deadzone tweakerand

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> it made no difference. Anyway, if it was a deadzone problem, why is the > wheel OK? > > I ran DXTweak, and found that the pedals sit at a value of 63, and this > reduces to 0 as they are pressed. > > After a bit of fiddling, I adjusted the centre value to be 62, and the > pedals now work perfectly over their entire range. > > So, the rule seems to be: set the centre value for each pedal to be one > value away from the value you get when the pedals are not pressed. I.e. if > the range is 0 -> 100, set the centre at 1, if it's 63 -> 0, set the

centre > to 62. > > Does anyone have any EA contacts, to give them this information, so thatit > can be in the proper patch? Hmmm.... actually, they should be convincedthat > they can't release a sim like this without it's own calibration routine, > anyway... > > I can now lock the brakes on the default setup, I have no more spins forno > apparent reason, and I found a bonus. Doesn't really make a difference,but

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> it's well cool... > > Sitting on the grid at the start, revving the engine, I noticed that the > vibration changes as the revs do! > > This sim has now taken GPL's crown IMO. > > R. > > PS. Does DXTweak run agonisingly slowly for everyone, or is it just my > system? > > >

Richard S Beckett wrote: > > The only problem I'm left with is that the DXTweak fix is not permanent. Every time I start my 'puter I have to run dxtweak before F1 2001. > > Is there a way of making the DXTweak change survive a reboot? You have to make sure that your control configuration doesn't change. If after re-boot, windows thinks nothing has changed in your controller ID's it keeps the DX tweak settings. For instance, I have an ACT Labs Force RS wheel with the ACT Labs performance pedals. They show up as two separate devices. The pedals always show up on ID #1 after a reboot. At first, I kept changing the order to put the wheel first, because all my sims are configured that way. Everytime I rebooted after changing ID's, DXtweak settings were lost. I finally just left the pedals on ID#1 and the wheel on #2, then re-configured controls in all my sims. After that, I've never had to reset DXtweak. Good luck, Pat Dotson

Jason Monds wrote: > > Ahh, if the settings aren't permanent I can reboot if they do cause > problems with another program. DXtweak allows you to clear all calibration data and start over. I think this clear all control devices, so you have to go back and add your wheel back or whatever. -- Pat Dotson

It does work with ACT Labs stuff. I have a Force RS wheel with performance pedals, and it works fine. -- Pat Dotson Earthlink wrote: > > Too bad none of this works with Act-Labs. Any changes I make in DXtweaker > to the break and throttle axes effects the steering axis also. For whatever

"Ice D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<rCGR7.36$[email hidden]>... > Appreciated. Although I still think it's bloody stupid that you have to fix > it in the first place. Why don't it just WORK..! Strangely, I tried to do this pre and post patch using dxtweak with non-ff ms wheel and it alternately has no effect or, depending on the temperature and barometric pressure, cause the X-axis (which I don't even touch) to start misbehaving. A REAL fix would be a friggen patch from ISI. I can't believe that someone released a racing game in the year 2001, simulation/arcade/whatever, that doesn't properly support split-axis controllers. If I didn't have to change my pedal mode to single-axis everytime I wanted to play F1 2001 I'd probably play it more than once every 2 weeks. Jason

Well, maybe It's like I said. It could be the difference in operating systems. What DX version do you run Pat? Kurt "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It does work with ACT Labs stuff. I have a Force RS wheel > with performance pedals, and it works fine. > > -- > Pat Dotson > > Earthlink wrote: > > > > Too bad none of this works with Act-Labs. Any changes I make in

DXtweaker > > to the break and throttle axes effects the steering axis also. Forwhatever >

hehe, I figured it out. I switched the AL from the USB connection to Serial. Opened DXtweaker and the values in axes were actually different. I made changes and all is well. Must be something with USB. Kurt "Kurt" <kurtnun@(no spam)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:T0xS7.4564$[email hidden]...

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> Well, maybe It's like I said. It could be the difference in operating > systems. What DX version do you run Pat? > > Kurt > "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > It does work with ACT Labs stuff. I have a Force RS wheel > > with performance pedals, and it works fine. > > > > -- > > Pat Dotson > > > > Earthlink wrote: > > > > > > Too bad none of this works with Act-Labs. Any changes I make in > DXtweaker > > > to the break and throttle axes effects the steering axis also. For > whatever > > > > >

I'm using USB. Go figure. -- Pat Dotson Kurt wrote: > > hehe, I figured it out. I switched the AL from the USB connection to > Serial. Opened DXtweaker and the values in axes were actually different. I > made changes and all is well. Must be something with USB. > > Kurt > "Kurt" <kurtnun@(no spam)earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:T0xS7.4564$[email hidden]... > > Well, maybe It's like I said. It could be the difference in operating > > systems. What DX version do you run Pat? > > > > Kurt > > "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > It does work with ACT Labs stuff. I have a Force RS wheel > > > with performance pedals, and it works fine. > > > > > > -- > > > Pat Dotson > > > > > > Earthlink wrote: > > > > > > > > Too bad none of this works with Act-Labs. Any changes I make in > > DXtweaker > > > > to the break and throttle axes effects the steering axis also. For > > whatever > > > > > > > > >

The recently-released patch (www.easportsf1.com) sure solved my split-axis problems. Perhaps you need to reinstall your game?

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> A REAL fix would be a friggen patch from ISI. I can't believe that > someone released a racing game in the year 2001, > simulation/arcade/whatever, that doesn't properly support split-axis > controllers. If I didn't have to change my pedal mode to single-axis > everytime I wanted to play F1 2001 I'd probably play it more than once > every 2 weeks. >