Re: F1 2001: It is soooo good...

Amen brother Beckett :) Richard S Beckett wrote:

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> x-no-archive: yes > > Get this!! > > Last night I span out in F12001, and ended up going backwards fast in about 4th gear. The engine stalled and I was leaving a huge trail of rubber with the locked up rears. Recovering my wits, I pressed the clutch in, selected reverse, and let the clutch out again. > > To my amazement, the engine bump started!!! > > I quickly put the clutch back in, stopped, selected 1st, did a spin turn, and continued my race with a huge grin!! :-D > > Cool or WHAT!? > > R. > > >

On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:31:02 -0000, "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>x-no-archive: yes > >Get this!! > >Last night I span out in F12001, and ended up going backwards fast in about 4th gear. The engine stalled and I was leaving a huge trail of rubber with the locked up rears. Recovering my wits, I pressed the clutch in, selected reverse, and let the clutch out again. > >To my amazement, the engine bump started!!! > >I quickly put the clutch back in, stopped, selected 1st, did a spin turn, and continued my race with a huge grin!! :-D > >Cool or WHAT!? > >R. >

Yeah, doing that in F1 2001 is pretty cool, but not realistic, but then most of the game is that way to.

>>To my amazement, the engine bump started!!! Is the X-Box version or PC or ...

Saw a post by you later in the group so I suppose it answered my own question. Wonder how F1 is on the X-Box? Anybody had any experience? "Nockston" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:80lS7.4095$[email hidden]... > >>To my amazement, the engine bump started!!! > > Is the X-Box version or PC or ... > >

Go here: http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/products/0,11114,525035,00.html for a review of F1 2001 on the XBox. Says it's just like the PS2 version EXCEPT it can't use a steering wheel for control, which in my book is a fatal flaw. "Nockston" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:g6lS7.4096$[email hidden]...

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> Saw a post by you later in the group so I suppose it answered my own > question. > > Wonder how F1 is on the X-Box? > > Anybody had any experience? > > > "Nockston" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:80lS7.4095$[email hidden]... > > >>To my amazement, the engine bump started!!! > > > > Is the X-Box version or PC or ... > > > > > >

"Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> > >Last night I span out in F12001, and ended up going backwards fast in about 4th gear. The engine stalled and I was leaving a huge trail of rubber with the locked up rears. Recovering my wits, I pressed the clutch in, selected reverse, and let the clutch out again. > > > > > >To my amazement, the engine bump started!!! > > > > Yeah, doing that in F1 2001 is pretty cool, but not realistic, but > > then most of the game is that way to. > > Why is that not realistic? I've done that before in a real car, it does work.

I don't think you can bump-start a F1 car because of all the electronics involved and the high compression ratio. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

"Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9vcqk2$[email hidden]... x-no-archive: yes > >Last night I span out in F12001, and ended up going backwards fast inabout 4th gear. The engine stalled and I was leaving a huge trail of rubber with the locked up rears. Recovering my wits, I pressed the clutch in, selected reverse, and let the clutch out again.

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> > > >To my amazement, the engine bump started!!! > > Yeah, doing that in F1 2001 is pretty cool, but not realistic, but > then most of the game is that way to. >Why is that not realistic? I've done that before in a real car, it does

work. Ever tried it in a formula one car ? You've got two guesses Doug

x-no-archive: yes about 4th gear. The engine stalled and I was leaving a huge trail of *** with the locked up rears. Recovering my wits, I pressed the clutch in, selected reverse, and let the clutch out again. work. Ever tried it in a formula one car ? You've got two guesses Doug

Most of the game is NOT realistic? I could not disagree more. Feels pretty realistic to me. So I can better understand your perspective: other than GPL, what game to you think is realistic? I'm excluding GPL since there is a consensus regarding realism. -- Joe Marques "Pooyan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yeah, doing that in F1 2001 is pretty cool, but not realistic, but > then most of the game is that way to.

"Joe Marques" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lvoS7.262381$[email hidden]... > Most of the game is NOT realistic? I could not disagree more. Feelspretty > realistic to me. Real compared to what - driven a 2001 F1 car have you. i.m.o It's a very un-real experience to that of a racing car. It's sloppy, slidey and unconvincing in every respect. Doug

I thought the slidey was pretty good. The drivers always complain about lack of tire grip. You have to keep up the speed in order to use benefits of downforce. Maybe the springy suspension could be fixed in F1-2002, but that's a small thing. If anyone is going to complain about F1-2001 please complain about the internet play! Although it has improved from SCGT with the online practice sessions, the actual number of players you can get driving is still poor. Douglas Ellison wrote: > > i.m.o It's a very un-real experience to that of a racing car. It's sloppy, > slidey and unconvincing in every respect. > > Doug -- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL) http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims) (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

> i.m.o It's a very un-real experience to that of a racing car. It's sloppy, > slidey and unconvincing in every respect. >Sure you're using decent setups? The default ones are crap. The whole experience is transformed by good setups. Iain

That's very interesting that they put that in! -Larry "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9vcgsp$[email hidden]... x-no-archive: yes Get this!! Last night I span out in F12001, and ended up going backwards fast in about 4th gear. The engine stalled and I was leaving a huge trail of rubber with the locked up rears. Recovering my wits, I pressed the clutch in, selected reverse, and let the clutch out again. To my amazement, the engine bump started!!! I quickly put the clutch back in, stopped, selected 1st, did a spin turn, and continued my race with a huge grin!! :-D Cool or WHAT!? R.

Awesome, it is a great sim!! Don Burnette "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9vcgsp$[email hidden]... x-no-archive: yes Get this!! Last night I span out in F12001, and ended up going backwards fast in about 4th gear. The engine stalled and I was leaving a huge trail of rubber with the locked up rears. Recovering my wits, I pressed the clutch in, selected reverse, and let the clutch out again. To my amazement, the engine bump started!!! I quickly put the clutch back in, stopped, selected 1st, did a spin turn, and continued my race with a huge grin!! :-D Cool or WHAT!? R.

"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9vd4mc$emnmm$[email hidden]...

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> > "Joe Marques" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lvoS7.262381$[email hidden]... > > Most of the game is NOT realistic? I could not disagree more. Feels > pretty > > realistic to me. > > Real compared to what - driven a 2001 F1 car have you. > > i.m.o It's a very un-real experience to that of a racing car. It's sloppy, > slidey and unconvincing in every respect. > > Doug

Perhaps we can word it differently, compared to other sims currently on the market that focus on F1. F12001 is the best of the lot, as close to real as we have gotten so far.... Clearly given hardware limitations etc we will be a long time before we get a "real" sim...but at the moment....at this point in time...it seems F1 2001 is the clear choice for F1 simming. dave henrie

It doesn't say it can't use a wheel, it says it has no support for external controllers, which led them to assume it can't use a wheel. Since there aren't any Xbox wheels available quite yet, I'm not sure how they can claim that. I would think any Xbox wheel would have to send the same channels and control ranges as the gamepad in order to work at all, in which case I don't know how any game would even know the difference. Anyway I am crossing my fingers and hoping so, because I already have F1 2001 for the Xbox. ;o) OT: FWIW I like the PC version better. That guy who came around here a few months ago flaming the PC version was just full of it, the only thing better in the Xbox/PS2 version is the pit babes. "Da Man" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3hmS7.22579$[email hidden]... > Go here: > > http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/products/0,11114,525035,00.html > > for a review of F1 2001 on the XBox. Says it's just like the PS2version > EXCEPT it can't use a steering wheel for control, which in my book isa > fatal flaw. > >

As much as I love it, F12001 isn't a clear winner over F1RC by a long shot. There are aspects to the physics model (or the settings plugged into it) which definitely seem off. Maybe I'll start a new thread which addresses them. I'm actually shocked that some of these things haven't been discussed yet given the reputation r.a.s. has given itself. David G Fisher "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4SwS7.49710$wL4.368043@rwcrnsc51...

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> > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9vd4mc$emnmm$[email hidden]... > > > > "Joe Marques" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:lvoS7.262381$[email hidden]... > > > Most of the game is NOT realistic? I could not disagree more. Feels > > pretty > > > realistic to me. > > > > Real compared to what - driven a 2001 F1 car have you. > > > > i.m.o It's a very un-real experience to that of a racing car. It's

sloppy,

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> > slidey and unconvincing in every respect. > > > > Doug > Perhaps we can word it differently, compared to other sims currently on > the market that focus on F1. F12001 is the best of the lot, as close to > real as we have gotten so far.... > Clearly given hardware limitations etc we will be a long time before we > get a "real" sim...but at the moment....at this point in time...it seems

F1 > 2001 is the clear choice for F1 simming. > dave henrie > >

Yea. RAS has given itself the reputation of kicking ass. I think people are just happy to have a decent sim, and the little things aren't getting too much attention yet... It's a little unclear why F1 2001 has had such a good reception. There are things that GP3 clearly does better. I was personally never that thrilled with driving GP3, though. I think the driving experience/feel in F1 2001 is a lot better, and that's carrying the day so far. -- Pat Dotson David G Fisher wrote: > > As much as I love it, F12001 isn't a clear winner over F1RC by a long shot. > There are aspects to the physics model (or the settings plugged into it) > which definitely seem off. Maybe I'll start a new thread which addresses > them. I'm actually shocked that some of these things haven't been discussed > yet given the reputation r.a.s. has given itself. > > David G Fisher > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4SwS7.49710$wL4.368043@rwcrnsc51... > > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9vd4mc$emnmm$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Joe Marques" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:lvoS7.262381$[email hidden]... > > > > Most of the game is NOT realistic? I could not disagree more. Feels > > > pretty > > > > realistic to me. > > > > > > Real compared to what - driven a 2001 F1 car have you. > > > > > > i.m.o It's a very un-real experience to that of a racing car. It's > sloppy, > > > slidey and unconvincing in every respect. > > > > > > Doug > > Perhaps we can word it differently, compared to other sims currently on > > the market that focus on F1. F12001 is the best of the lot, as close to > > real as we have gotten so far.... > > Clearly given hardware limitations etc we will be a long time before we > > get a "real" sim...but at the moment....at this point in time...it seems > F1 > > 2001 is the clear choice for F1 simming. > > dave henrie > > > >

Yeah Doug, just after banging Schumi's wife, I stole his Ferrari and took it for a spin. ;0) Frankly it doesn't matter if I've driven an F1 car or not. Unless you have are opinions are equally valid (or invalid). ;0) I've driven go carts and sports cars and have seen enough in-car cameras to have a fair enough idea of what the car MAY feel like. It's possible that it's completely unrealistic and I'm wrong, I just doubt it. ;0) No need for a pissing contest since realistic is both objective and subjective. The objective is using a real world model to simulate 6 dof physics. If the car is launched 30 feet in the air after rolling over a small hill, it is objectively inaccurate. The subject part is one's perception of the F1 experience. I have certain expectations based on extrapolating other driving experiences and viewing in-car cams and other video. My perception of driving a go kart was fairly accurate prior to actually driving one. I'll take my chances that my F1 perception is fairly good as well. Bottom line for F1 2001: it drives the way I expect an F1 car to drive. It's the best feeling F1 sim on the market. It works for me. Your mileage may vary. ;0) -- Joe Marques "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9vd4mc$emnmm$[email hidden]... > > "Joe Marques" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lvoS7.262381$[email hidden]... > > Most of the game is NOT realistic? I could not disagree more. Feels > pretty > > realistic to me. > > Real compared to what - driven a 2001 F1 car have you. > > i.m.o It's a very un-real experience to that of a racing car. It's sloppy, > slidey and unconvincing in every respect. > > Doug >

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6dzS7.6049$[email hidden]... : It doesn't say it can't use a wheel, it says it has no support for : external controllers, which led them to assume it can't use a wheel. : Since there aren't any Xbox wheels available quite yet, Back up the truck. There appears to be several X-BOX wheels available. Like this one.. http://www.xbox.com/system/MC2+Racing+Wheel.htm or this one. http://www.xbox.com/system/NASCAR+Pro+Victory+Wheel.htm?cs_catalog=cat%2Dus or this one. http://www.xbox.com/system/Pro+Racer.htm?cs_catalog=cat%2Dus

Yes, I'm aware of those and others, but I don't think any of them are actually available in stores yet. I have been keeping my eyes on the stores in my area, and none of them are available locally yet. I suppose the reviewer could have had access to a wheel directly from a manufacturer, but he doesn't say that, in fact he doesn't mention even trying it with any wheel, he just says it won't work. He might be right, but he has no proof, and frankly I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work. "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7hIS7.76489$[email hidden]...

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> > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6dzS7.6049$[email hidden]... > : It doesn't say it can't use a wheel, it says it has no support for > : external controllers, which led them to assume it can't use a wheel. > > : Since there aren't any Xbox wheels available quite yet, > > Back up the truck. There appears to be several X-BOX wheels

available. > > Like this one.. > http://www.xbox.com/system/MC2+Racing+Wheel.htm > or this one. >http://www.xbox.com/system/NASCAR+Pro+Victory+Wheel.htm?cs_catalog=cat%2 Dus > or this one. > http://www.xbox.com/system/Pro+Racer.htm?cs_catalog=cat%2Dus > > > >

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>"Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote > It's a little unclear why F1 2001 has had such a > good reception. There are things that GP3 clearly > does better. I was personally never that thrilled > with driving GP3, though. I think the driving > experience/feel in F1 2001 is a lot better, and > that's carrying the day so far.

I kinda agree with Pat and DGF here. F1 2001 leaves me dry. I'm thinking of uninstalling it, I just don't see myself putting the effort with it. Gp3 gives me a more satisfying experience of driving a car. F1RC gives me.. errr.. well.. good looking tracks. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...