Geforce GTS Lockup problems solved in N4 and GPL!

A few days I made a post asking for ideas on the lockups my Visiontek 32 MB Geforce 2 GTS card experienced when running demanding D3D and OpenGL applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I had anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it wasn't long before the video goes dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only way out was to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X made it unstable. I was running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41 drivers just for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remained and was still intolerable It wasn't my CPU overclocking, nor my old BH6 MB not being up to standards, as some suggested. It was - as Tim White postulated - my power supply not cutting the mustard! I replaced my 250 w job with a 300 watt unit and all of my problems have disappeared! I'm now running AGP 4X, sideband addressing enabled, 2x2 FSAA in D3D and OpenGL (if I desire it) and it hasn't shut down once in 8 hours of use! Also, I'm overclocking my Celeron II 900 @ 1200 Mhz w/ 1.8 Vdc, running my memory at 133 Mhz, giving my hard drive a proper clock, and dogs have even quit barking at me... I am in total bliss!! :-) A tip of the hat to Tim White... Tim, this Bud's for you :-) John Cauthen

I only know this because a few years back I fried an old cpu experimenting with oc' only, as it turned out, because of a weak ps I think most of us learn what we know from others' misfortune :) Tim White INTRAC Motorsports www.birds-i-view.com/intrac John Cauthen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9vboo4$2i3s$[email hidden]... > A few days I made a post asking for ideas on the lockups my Visiontek 32MB

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> Geforce 2 GTS card experienced when running demanding D3D and OpenGL > applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I had > anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it wasn't long before the video goes > dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only way out > was to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X made it unstable. > > I was running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41 drivers > just > for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remained and was

still > intolerable > > It wasn't my CPU overclocking, nor my old BH6 MB not being up tostandards,

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> as some suggested. It was - as Tim White postulated - my power supply not > cutting the mustard! I replaced my 250 w job with a 300 watt unit and all > of my problems have disappeared! I'm now running AGP 4X, sideband > addressing enabled, 2x2 FSAA in D3D and OpenGL (if I desire it) and it > hasn't shut down once in 8 hours of use! > > Also, I'm overclocking my Celeron II 900 @ 1200 Mhz w/ 1.8 Vdc, running my > memory at 133 Mhz, giving my hard drive a proper clock, and dogs have even > quit barking at me... I am in total bliss!! :-) > > A tip of the hat to Tim White... Tim, this Bud's for you :-) > > John Cauthen > > >

We have a guy in our TPTCC league who just switched over to a GeForce 2 and was having constant lockups. He finally bought a new fan for it, but it wouldn't fit, so he used the heat paste included with the new fan and used it to put the old fan on... The new paste must have made enough of a difference because he's had no lockups since. dave henrie "John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9vboo4$2i3s$[email hidden]... > A few days I made a post asking for ideas on the lockups my Visiontek 32MB

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> Geforce 2 GTS card experienced when running demanding D3D and OpenGL > applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I had > anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it wasn't long before the video goes > dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only way out > was to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X made it unstable. > > I was running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41 drivers > just > for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remained and was

still > intolerable > > It wasn't my CPU overclocking, nor my old BH6 MB not being up tostandards,

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> as some suggested. It was - as Tim White postulated - my power supply not > cutting the mustard! I replaced my 250 w job with a 300 watt unit and all > of my problems have disappeared! I'm now running AGP 4X, sideband > addressing enabled, 2x2 FSAA in D3D and OpenGL (if I desire it) and it > hasn't shut down once in 8 hours of use! > > Also, I'm overclocking my Celeron II 900 @ 1200 Mhz w/ 1.8 Vdc, running my > memory at 133 Mhz, giving my hard drive a proper clock, and dogs have even > quit barking at me... I am in total bliss!! :-) > > A tip of the hat to Tim White... Tim, this Bud's for you :-) > > John Cauthen > > >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xLeS7.50310$Yy.574815@rwcrnsc53... > We have a guy in our TPTCC league who just switched over to a GeForce 2 > and was having constant lockups. He finally bought a new fan for it, butit > wouldn't fit, so he used the heat paste included with the new fan and used > it to put the old fan on... The new paste must have made enough of a > difference because he's had no lockups since. > dave henrie Amazing! What some PC users will go through to push their machines to the limit. I'm a fiddler at heart, and I just can't resist the temptation to tinker. I've been through enough grief because of my fixation with it to do me for quite a while to come. I've been playing musical chairs with processors for three weeks prior, and then the Geforce 2 GTS issue surfaced. I can go quietly now though, I've actually exceeded the goals I set 6 weeks ago. Now it's time to work on doing a sub 1:30 lap at Monza in GPL! ;-) John Cauthen

"John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9vboo4$2i3s$[email hidden]... > It wasn't my CPU overclocking, nor my old BH6 MB not being up tostandards, > of my problems have disappeared! I'm now running AGP 4X, sideband Except that, as far as I know, there isn't a BH6 in existence that supports AGP4x. Milhouse

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> > "John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9vboo4$2i3s$[email hidden]... > > > It wasn't my CPU overclocking, nor my old BH6 MB not being up to > standards, > > > of my problems have disappeared! I'm now running AGP 4X, sideband > > Except that, as far as I know, there isn't a BH6 in existence that

supports > AGP4x. Here's as much as I know about that... I'm using Power the GTU tweak program to achieve this. It is allowing me to select 4X (IOW, it isn't grayed out). Of course, it may be that GTU doesn't check to see if my MB supports 4X AGP or not. Whatever the case, I can measure a difference in the performance between 1X and 4X. Maybe I should select 2X and see if it's any different from 4X using my benchmark test. If what you're saying is so, I shouldn't see any (and I'm not saying I doubt you, a 1999 MB may not have had 4X AGP in mind when it was built). John Cauthen

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> > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:sAfS7.57432$[email hidden]... > > > > "John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9vboo4$2i3s$[email hidden]... > > > > > It wasn't my CPU overclocking, nor my old BH6 MB not being up to > > standards, > > > > > of my problems have disappeared! I'm now running AGP 4X, sideband > > > > Except that, as far as I know, there isn't a BH6 in existence that > supports > > AGP4x.

You are correct, Milhouse. The BH6 doesn't support 4X. Oh well, that's one less setting I have to fret over - I'm leaving that one at 2X and forgetting about it! ;-) Thanks, John Cauthen > > Here's as much as I know about that... I'm using Power the GTU tweakprogram > to achieve this. It is allowing me to select 4X (IOW, it isn't grayedout). > Of course, it may be that GTU doesn't check to see if my MB supports 4XAGP

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> or not. Whatever the case, I can measure a difference in the performance > between 1X and 4X. Maybe I should select 2X and see if it's any different > from 4X using my benchmark test. If what you're saying is so, I shouldn't > see any (and I'm not saying I doubt you, a 1999 MB may not have had 4X AGP > in mind when it was built). > > John Cauthen > > >

> > > Except that, as far as I know, there isn't a BH6 in existence that > > supports > > > AGP4x. > > You are correct, Milhouse. The BH6 doesn't support 4X. Oh well, that'sone > less setting I have to fret over - I'm leaving that one at 2X andforgetting > about it! ;-) > > Thanks, > > John Cauthen > Well, try this - it worked with my GeForce 2 MX200 on my BH6. Assuming you're using anything over a 66MHz FSB (I hope!!! =) set the AGP multiplier to 1/1. From the look of it on Sandra, AGP1X is 66MHz, 2X is 133MHz, and 4X is 266MHz. I'm 'overclocking' at a 103FSB (the Celery 900 and WinXP dont't like even 112FSB with 1.95vcore) and set the multiplier to 1/1...hence, I'm getting 206MHz, or 'AGP3X' of sorts. =) Best I can do with a BH6... Milhouse

"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EzeS7.261762$[email hidden]... > I only know this because a few years back I fried an old cpu experimenting > with oc' only, as it turned out, because of a weak ps > I think most of us learn what we know from others' misfortune > :) I've got a C-566 and 667 I'd like to to experiment more with now.... naw - I won't even go there, I'm at 1200 Mhz now! This was a valuable learning experience. I hope others will benefit from this; it's now documented for years to come! John Cauthen

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> > Tim White > INTRAC Motorsports > www.birds-i-view.com/intrac > > > John Cauthen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9vboo4$2i3s$[email hidden]... > > A few days I made a post asking for ideas on the lockups my Visiontek 32 > MB > > Geforce 2 GTS card experienced when running demanding D3D and OpenGL > > applications. Most noteable are NASCAR 4 and GPL. If I had > > anything greater than 1X AGP enabled, it wasn't long before the video

goes > > dark and the audio goes into a repetitive looping noise. The only wayout

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> > was to reboot! Even the enabling of sidebanding at 1X made it unstable. > > > > I was running 23.11 drivers, but I went back and tried my 12.41 drivers > > just > > for kicks. That seemed to help some, but the problem remained and was > still > > intolerable > > > > It wasn't my CPU overclocking, nor my old BH6 MB not being up to > standards, > > as some suggested. It was - as Tim White postulated - my power supply

not > > cutting the mustard! I replaced my 250 w job with a 300 watt unit andall > > of my problems have disappeared! I'm now running AGP 4X, sideband > > addressing enabled, 2x2 FSAA in D3D and OpenGL (if I desire it) and it > > hasn't shut down once in 8 hours of use! > > > > Also, I'm overclocking my Celeron II 900 @ 1200 Mhz w/ 1.8 Vdc, runningmy > > memory at 133 Mhz, giving my hard drive a proper clock, and dogs haveeven

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> > quit barking at me... I am in total bliss!! :-) > > > > A tip of the hat to Tim White... Tim, this Bud's for you :-) > > > > John Cauthen > > > > > > > >

"Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0LhS7.58215$[email hidden]... > > Well, try this - it worked with my GeForce 2 MX200 on my BH6. Assuming > you're using anything over a 66MHz FSB (I hope!!! =) Yep..... 133! > set the AGP multiplier > to 1/1. From the look of it on Sandra, AGP1X is 66MHz, 2X is 133MHz, and4X > is 266MHz. I'm 'overclocking' at a 103FSB (the Celery 900 and WinXPdont't > like even 112FSB with 1.95vcore) and set the multiplier to 1/1...hence,I'm > getting 206MHz, or 'AGP3X' of sorts. =) Best I can do with a BH6... Just when I thought it was safe to go back in the water, you go and give me more parameters to fiddle with! I can't help myself, I'm off for more tweaking adventures! I think I follow your logic though. You can't get your Celery 900 to go higher? Mine hit 1200 Mhz at 1.8v. However, I'm running W98 Second Edition. John Cauthen

"Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0LhS7.58215$[email hidden]... > > Well, try this - it worked with my GeForce 2 MX200 on my BH6. Assuming > you're using anything over a 66MHz FSB (I hope!!! =) set the AGPmultiplier > to 1/1. From the look of it on Sandra, AGP1X is 66MHz, 2X is 133MHz, and4X > is 266MHz. I'm 'overclocking' at a 103FSB (the Celery 900 and WinXPdont't > like even 112FSB with 1.95vcore) and set the multiplier to 1/1...hence,I'm > getting 206MHz, or 'AGP3X' of sorts. =) Best I can do with a BH6... Okay, I couldn't resist... I went and experimented with this. In my case, the FSB is at 133 Mhz. When I try to select 1/1 AGP/CPU clock, the system won't boot. It locks up after recognizing the drives and reporting them. I'm guessing that clock is too much for the GTS. I set it back on 2/3 AGP/CPU clock, and all is well. But in essence, am I not running the AGP clock at 89 Mhz (AGP 1X)? I'm not really clear on this... John Cauthen

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> > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0LhS7.58215$[email hidden]... > > > > Well, try this - it worked with my GeForce 2 MX200 on my BH6. Assuming > > you're using anything over a 66MHz FSB (I hope!!! =) set the AGP > multiplier > > to 1/1. From the look of it on Sandra, AGP1X is 66MHz, 2X is 133MHz,

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> 4X > > is 266MHz. I'm 'overclocking' at a 103FSB (the Celery 900 and WinXP > dont't > > like even 112FSB with 1.95vcore) and set the multiplier to 1/1...hence, > I'm > > getting 206MHz, or 'AGP3X' of sorts. =) Best I can do with a BH6... > > Okay, I couldn't resist... I went and experimented with this. In my case, > the FSB is at 133 Mhz. When I try to select 1/1 AGP/CPU clock, the system > won't boot. It locks up after recognizing the drives and reporting them. > I'm guessing that clock is too much for the GTS. I set it back on 2/3 > AGP/CPU clock, and all is well. But in essence, am I not running the AGP > clock at 89 Mhz (AGP 1X)? I'm not really clear on this... >

Nor am I, really...but the way SiSoft Sandra seems to report it is that AGP bus speed set in the BIOS - in your case, 89MHz - multiplied by the AGP 'multiplier'. I think this is the way it works. That way, on a 66AGP, 1XAGP is still 66...2X gives 133, and 4X gives 266. I'm not too terribly sure exactly how this works either, heh... I wonder, maybe if in the driver you set AGP4X, then tried the 1/1 trick, if that would work? This is a long shot, but maybe the driver changes some multipliers on the board itself as well to go off of the new clock speed...I dunno, it's a long shot. =) And yeah, my 900 just won't go past 928. I've even tried the flashing-at-1.95v trick and I still can't feed it any more than 1.95 Vcore, and the mobo ignores whatever setting I have on my Asus Slotket. Ah well, I'm not going to worry about it too much, 928 is quite the improvement over the old 300a that refused to run 450 anymore after 3 years...and this BH6's days are numbered, at least in my box, as either as a Christmas or graduation present for myself, I'm gonna throw in a AthlonXP and some sort of KT266A motherboard. That's what I'd do now, at least, but I'm thinking I'll probably wait until graduation in May to do it, so chipsets might change a bit then... Milhouse

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> > "John Cauthen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9vd101$41cc$[email hidden]... > > > > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:0LhS7.58215$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Well, try this - it worked with my GeForce 2 MX200 on my BH6.

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> > > you're using anything over a 66MHz FSB (I hope!!! =) set the AGP > > multiplier > > > to 1/1. From the look of it on Sandra, AGP1X is 66MHz, 2X is 133MHz, > and > > 4X > > > is 266MHz. I'm 'overclocking' at a 103FSB (the Celery 900 and WinXP > > dont't > > > like even 112FSB with 1.95vcore) and set the multiplier to

1/1...hence, > > I'm > > > getting 206MHz, or 'AGP3X' of sorts. =) Best I can do with a BH6... > > > > Okay, I couldn't resist... I went and experimented with this. In mycase, > > the FSB is at 133 Mhz. When I try to select 1/1 AGP/CPU clock, thesystem > > won't boot. It locks up after recognizing the drives and reportingthem. > > I'm guessing that clock is too much for the GTS. I set it back on 2/3 > > AGP/CPU clock, and all is well. But in essence, am I not running theAGP > > clock at 89 Mhz (AGP 1X)? I'm not really clear on this... > > > > Nor am I, really...but the way SiSoft Sandra seems to report it is thatAGP > bus speed set in the BIOS - in your case, 89MHz - multiplied by the AGP > 'multiplier'. I think this is the way it works. That way, on a 66AGP, > 1XAGP is still 66...2X gives 133, and 4X gives 266. I'm not too terribly > sure exactly how this works either, heh... The AGP clock signal is still 66 MHz (or whatever the slot's overclocked to). With 2x, data is sampled on both the rising and falling edges of the clock signal, with 4x it is sampled twice again. DDR likewise does not run at 266 MHz, it is 133 MHz with 2x data sampling per clock cycle. This gives it *effectively*not *actually* the advertised transfer rate. > I wonder, maybe if in the driver you set AGP4X, then tried the 1/1 trick,if > that would work? This is a long shot, but maybe the driver changes some > multipliers on the board itself as well to go off of the new clockspeed...I > dunno, it's a long shot. =) Nope. You gets what you gets. On a 2x board that is all you will get, still 2x89 ain't bad-that's what this here Radeon is happily running at. A 1/1 AGP divider will usually only work at around 100 MHz FSB (if you're lucky) and below. Overclocking the AGP slot also won't give you much of a performance gain. Before you start thinking that 66x4 ~/= 133x2, it doesn't work that way, regardless of what the math may suggest. > And yeah, my 900 just won't go past 928. I've even tried the > flashing-at-1.95v trick and I still can't feed it any more than 1.95Vcore, > and the mobo ignores whatever setting I have on my Asus Slotket. > > Ah well, I'm not going to worry about it too much, 928 is quite the > improvement over the old 300a that refused to run 450 anymore after 3 > years...and this BH6's days are numbered, at least in my box, as either asa > Christmas or graduation present for myself, I'm gonna throw in a AthlonXP > and some sort of KT266A motherboard. That's what I'd do now, at least,but > I'm thinking I'll probably wait until graduation in May to do it, so > chipsets might change a bit then... > > Milhouse

> > bus speed set in the BIOS - in your case, 89MHz - multiplied by the AGP > > 'multiplier'. I think this is the way it works. That way, on a 66AGP, > > 1XAGP is still 66...2X gives 133, and 4X gives 266. I'm not tooterribly > > sure exactly how this works either, heh... > > The AGP clock signal is still 66 MHz (or whatever the slot's overclocked > to). With 2x, data is sampled on both the rising and falling edges of the > clock signal, with 4x it is sampled twice again. DDR likewise does not run > at 266 MHz, it is 133 MHz with 2x data sampling per clock cycle. Thisgives > it *effectively*not *actually* the advertised transfer rate. > > > I wonder, maybe if in the driver you set AGP4X, then tried the 1/1trick,

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> if > > that would work? This is a long shot, but maybe the driver changes some > > multipliers on the board itself as well to go off of the new clock > speed...I > > dunno, it's a long shot. =) > > Nope. You gets what you gets. On a 2x board that is all you will get,

still > 2x89 ain't bad-that's what this here Radeon is happily running at. A 1/1AGP > divider will usually only work at around 100 MHz FSB (if you're lucky) and > below. Overclocking the AGP slot also won't give you much of a performance > gain. Before you start thinking that 66x4 ~/= 133x2, it doesn't work that > way, regardless of what the math may suggest. > Allright, thanks for clearing that one up. Milhouse

"Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XKuS7.59268$[email hidden]... > Nor am I, really...but the way SiSoft Sandra seems to report it is thatAGP > bus speed set in the BIOS - in your case, 89MHz - multiplied by the AGP > 'multiplier'. I think this is the way it works. That way, on a 66AGP, > 1XAGP is still 66...2X gives 133, and 4X gives 266. I'm not too terribly > sure exactly how this works either, heh... I'm looking at my performance profile under Powerstrip, and I see that it's reporting a engine clock of 175 Mhz, and a memory clock of 286, fwiw. That's with AGP set to 2X.... the 175 makes sense. > I wonder, maybe if in the driver you set AGP4X, then tried the 1/1 trick,if > that would work? This is a long shot, but maybe the driver changes some > multipliers on the board itself as well to go off of the new clockspeed...I > dunno, it's a long shot. =) It didn't.... nothing does diddly when I try to boot with 1/1. > And yeah, my 900 just won't go past 928. I've even tried the > flashing-at-1.95v trick and I still can't feed it any more than 1.95Vcore, > and the mobo ignores whatever setting I have on my Asus Slotket. Man, that's too bad. I guess I should feel fortunate that my 900 does 1200 so easily. The 900 seems to be a great overclocker tho, based on the database at overclockers.com... > Ah well, I'm not going to worry about it too much, 928 is quite the > improvement over the old 300a that refused to run 450 anymore after 3 > years...and this BH6's days are numbered, at least in my box, as either asa > Christmas or graduation present for myself, I'm gonna throw in a AthlonXP > and some sort of KT266A motherboard. That's what I'd do now, at least,but > I'm thinking I'll probably wait until graduation in May to do it, so > chipsets might change a bit then... I'll probably go with an AMD next, but I'm set for a while now... 1200 gets me where I want to go and then some with this GTS card! John

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tcwS7.17109$[email hidden]... > > > The AGP clock signal is still 66 MHz (or whatever the slot's overclocked > to). With 2x, data is sampled on both the rising and falling edges of the > clock signal, with 4x it is sampled twice again. DDR likewise does not run > at 266 MHz, it is 133 MHz with 2x data sampling per clock cycle. Thisgives > it *effectively*not *actually* the advertised transfer rate. Thanks Dave... makes a lot of sense. > > I wonder, maybe if in the driver you set AGP4X, then tried the 1/1trick,

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> if > > that would work? This is a long shot, but maybe the driver changes some > > multipliers on the board itself as well to go off of the new clock > speed...I > > dunno, it's a long shot. =) > > Nope. You gets what you gets. On a 2x board that is all you will get,

still > 2x89 ain't bad-that's what this here Radeon is happily running at. A 1/1AGP > divider will usually only work at around 100 MHz FSB (if you're lucky) and > below. Overclocking the AGP slot also won't give you much of a performance > gain. Before you start thinking that 66x4 ~/= 133x2, it doesn't work that > way, regardless of what the math may suggest. Yah.... see my reply above to Milhouse. Powerstrip reports my clock at 175 Mhz on the AGP. Thanks for explaining this Dave, it really helps me grasp what's really going on with this! Good stuff! John Cauthen