Rally Trophy and TOCA 3 DVD only?

I've been reading the reviews and checking out the info on some of the newly released, and soon to be released titles like Rally Trophy, and Codemasters new TOCA Race Driver, as well as EA's new Australian V8 Touring car gamem and it appears an alarming trend is going on. These titles are only available on DVD format for PC's! Unless I'm mistaken? Please enlighten me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be the way of the future for a lot of new games. Looks like I'll need to shell out some cash for a DVD player for the old PC if I want these sims :-( Also, any word on getting a copy of these games in the States? Also... Is it true that Rallisport challenge will only be available for the XBOX? Crap!

This will give people another reason to download the games off the net. It's a bad move by the software companies if it's true. If you didnt have a DVD player and there really was agame you wanted would you shell out about �100 (?) combined for the game and DVD or download it for free? -- Steve Levett "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0zJS7.2882$Kg2.951824@rwcrnsc51... > I've been reading the reviews and checking out the info on some of the newly > released, and soon to be released titles like Rally Trophy, and Codemasters > new TOCA Race Driver, as well as EA's new Australian V8 Touring car gamem > and it appears an alarming trend is going on. > > These titles are only available on DVD format for PC's! Unless I'm mistaken? > Please enlighten me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be the way of the future > for a lot of new games. > > Looks like I'll need to shell out some cash for a DVD player for the old PC > if I want these sims :-( > > Also, any word on getting a copy of these games in the States? > Also... Is it true that Rallisport challenge will only be available for the > XBOX? Crap! > > > >

My copy of Rally Trophy is on CD. It comes in a DVD box, maybe that's causing the confusion...? "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0zJS7.2882$Kg2.951824@rwcrnsc51... > I've been reading the reviews and checking out the info on some of thenewly > released, and soon to be released titles like Rally Trophy, andCodemasters > new TOCA Race Driver, as well as EA's new Australian V8 Touring car gamem > and it appears an alarming trend is going on. > > These titles are only available on DVD format for PC's! Unless I'mmistaken? > Please enlighten me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be the way of thefuture > for a lot of new games. > > Looks like I'll need to shell out some cash for a DVD player for the oldPC > if I want these sims :-( > > Also, any word on getting a copy of these games in the States? > Also... Is it true that Rallisport challenge will only be available forthe > XBOX? Crap! > > > >

"Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0zJS7.2882$Kg2.951824@rwcrnsc51... > I've been reading the reviews and checking out the info on some of thenewly > released, and soon to be released titles like Rally Trophy, andCodemasters > new TOCA Race Driver, as well as EA's new Australian V8 Touring car gamem > and it appears an alarming trend is going on. > > These titles are only available on DVD format for PC's! Unless I'mmistaken? > Please enlighten me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be the way of thefuture > for a lot of new games. > > Looks like I'll need to shell out some cash for a DVD player for the oldPC > if I want these sims :-( > > Also, any word on getting a copy of these games in the States? > Also... Is it true that Rallisport challenge will only be available forthe > XBOX? Crap! Rally Trophy is due to be released in the US on 2/15. TOCA Race Driver is the only one that I have seen listed as a DVD-ROM. I am all for it. Hopefully this will mean more content. I have been waiting for the use of high resolution compressed textures forever. If you have a PC capable of running these new sims at acceptable rates then why wouldn't you have a DVD drive. You can get a 16X for $50. Get with the times Jethro. ;) Kyle

On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:59:08 GMT, "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I've been reading the reviews and checking out the info on some of the newly >released, and soon to be released titles like Rally Trophy, and Codemasters >new TOCA Race Driver, as well as EA's new Australian V8 Touring car gamem >and it appears an alarming trend is going on. > >These titles are only available on DVD format for PC's! Unless I'm mistaken? >Please enlighten me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be the way of the future >for a lot of new games.

Alarming? DVD drives are cheap. I haven't bought one myself because I have no desire to watch DVD movies on my PC, but you can bet the first time a game that I want is released on DVD, I'll pony up the less than $100 for a drive. I seem to remember the same kind of talk when games started moving to CD-ROM. Tell me this -- would you rather have a game with 650 megs of data or 4.7 gigs? *-*-*-*-*-*-* Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com Canon Pro90IS: http://twalker.d2g.com/pro90/index.htm Pbase galleries: http://www.pbase.com/twalker294 *-*-*-*-*-*-*

"Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0zJS7.2882$Kg2.951824@rwcrnsc51... > I've been reading the reviews and checking out the info on some of thenewly > released, and soon to be released titles like Rally Trophy, andCodemasters > new TOCA Race Driver, Depending on what you read TOCA is going to be CD-ROM or DVD. It makes sense to produce DVD as you can use the same factory for PS2, XBOX and PC versions but I doubt a TOCA game will really require the storage of DVD. I haven't seen a racing sim yet to come close to filling a CD-ROM. Dale.

Depends... how much data can those DVD units shift per sec? -What are the access times like? I don't want to be doing full installs of 4.7Gb games to get reasonable loading times! Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "Todd Walker" wrote...

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> > <snip> > Alarming? DVD drives are cheap. I haven't bought one myself > because I have no desire to watch DVD movies on my PC, but > you can bet the first time a game that I want is released > on DVD, I'll pony up the less than $100 for a drive. > > I seem to remember the same kind of talk when games started > moving to CD-ROM. Tell me this -- would you rather have a > game with 650 megs of data or 4.7 gigs?

Most people do a full CD install and use a no cd crack. At 700mb a gam thats ok With DVD at over 4 gig a game is that an option? If it is then everyone will have to buy new hds as well. If its not an option then will there be slow loading times that everyone complains about? -- Steve Levett "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:59:08 GMT, "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I've been reading the reviews and checking out the info on some of the newly > >released, and soon to be released titles like Rally Trophy, and Codemasters > >new TOCA Race Driver, as well as EA's new Australian V8 Touring car gamem > >and it appears an alarming trend is going on. > > > >These titles are only available on DVD format for PC's! Unless I'm mistaken? > >Please enlighten me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be the way of the future > >for a lot of new games. > > Alarming? DVD drives are cheap. I haven't bought one myself because I > have no desire to watch DVD movies on my PC, but you can bet the first > time a game that I want is released on DVD, I'll pony up the less than > $100 for a drive. > > I seem to remember the same kind of talk when games started moving to > CD-ROM. Tell me this -- would you rather have a game with 650 megs of > data or 4.7 gigs? > > *-*-*-*-*-*-* > Todd Walker > http://twalker.d2g.com > Canon Pro90IS: > http://twalker.d2g.com/pro90/index.htm > Pbase galleries: > http://www.pbase.com/twalker294 > *-*-*-*-*-*-* >

FWIW Xbox games all come on DVD's and do not install themselves to the hard drive. What they do is cache data on the hard drive, and the better ones do it so smoothly it is almost unnoticeable. If PC game developers would implement the same technology, what that would mean is DVD games with huge amounts of content, no installation routine, and negligible load times. Sounds too good to be true, but again, Xbox games are doing it today, with less exotic hardware than you have on your PC. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Depends... how much data can those DVD units shift per sec? -What arethe > access times like? > > I don't want to be doing full installs of 4.7Gb games to getreasonable

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> loading times! > > Jan. > =--- > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > > "Todd Walker" wrote... > > > <snip> > > Alarming? DVD drives are cheap. I haven't bought one myself > > because I have no desire to watch DVD movies on my PC, but > > you can bet the first time a game that I want is released > > on DVD, I'll pony up the less than $100 for a drive. > > > > I seem to remember the same kind of talk when games started > > moving to CD-ROM. Tell me this -- would you rather have a > > game with 650 megs of data or 4.7 gigs? > > >

In article <0zJS7.2882$Kg2.951824@rwcrnsc51>, [email hidden] says... > These titles are only available on DVD format for PC's! Unless I'm mistaken? > Please enlighten me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be the way of the future > for a lot of new games. > Looking at the Pro Race Driver site, I interpret it to mean the DVD ROM is applied to both the PS2 and XBox, seeing as how it is samwiched inbetween the two, and having nothing to do with PC, as it were. http://www.codemasters.com/proracedriver/images/pro_top_3.jpg Anyone else? MRSisson -- LOAD "GPL",8,1 RUN

Jay J <[email hidden]> wrote on 15 Dec 2001:

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> I've been reading the reviews and checking out the info on some of > the newly released, and soon to be released titles like Rally > Trophy, and Codemasters new TOCA Race Driver, as well as EA's new > Australian V8 Touring car gamem and it appears an alarming trend is > going on. > > These titles are only available on DVD format for PC's! Unless I'm > mistaken?

<Snip> No idea about TOCA, but I have RT, and it's definitely on a CD. Jim Seamus' point is a good one - here in the UK, at least, the great majority of PC games now come in DVD boxes - but I haven't seen a single game actually on DVD in my local EB yet. -- Sceptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep insights can be winnowed from deep nonsense -- Carl Sagan The GPL Scrapyard returns (slowly): http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

Call it copy protection...if they fill the DVD up with extra nonsense that makes the game files larger than a cdrom can hold, they prevent the average joe CDrom burner from copying the disk. dave henrie "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0zJS7.2882$Kg2.951824@rwcrnsc51... > I've been reading the reviews and checking out the info on some of thenewly > released, and soon to be released titles like Rally Trophy, andCodemasters > new TOCA Race Driver, as well as EA's new Australian V8 Touring car gamem > and it appears an alarming trend is going on. > > These titles are only available on DVD format for PC's! Unless I'mmistaken? > Please enlighten me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be the way of thefuture > for a lot of new games. > > Looks like I'll need to shell out some cash for a DVD player for the oldPC > if I want these sims :-( > > Also, any word on getting a copy of these games in the States? > Also... Is it true that Rallisport challenge will only be available forthe > XBOX? Crap! > > > >

Personally,I think it's about time they started shipping games on DVD... But, I'd say they aren't doing it for OUR benifit. They are getting something out of it. Probably a copy-protection thing... -Larry "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0zJS7.2882$Kg2.951824@rwcrnsc51... > I've been reading the reviews and checking out the info on some of thenewly > released, and soon to be released titles like Rally Trophy, andCodemasters > new TOCA Race Driver, as well as EA's new Australian V8 Touring car gamem > and it appears an alarming trend is going on. > > These titles are only available on DVD format for PC's! Unless I'mmistaken? > Please enlighten me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be the way of thefuture > for a lot of new games. > > Looks like I'll need to shell out some cash for a DVD player for the oldPC > if I want these sims :-( > > Also, any word on getting a copy of these games in the States? > Also... Is it true that Rallisport challenge will only be available forthe > XBOX? Crap! > > > >

I thought RT didn't come out till January ? -Larry "Jim Seamus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4JJS7.4832$[email hidden]...

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> > My copy of Rally Trophy is on CD. It comes in a DVD box, maybe that's > causing the confusion...? > > > "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0zJS7.2882$Kg2.951824@rwcrnsc51... > > I've been reading the reviews and checking out the info on some of the > newly > > released, and soon to be released titles like Rally Trophy, and > Codemasters > > new TOCA Race Driver, as well as EA's new Australian V8 Touring car

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> > and it appears an alarming trend is going on. > > > > These titles are only available on DVD format for PC's! Unless I'm > mistaken? > > Please enlighten me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be the way of the > future > > for a lot of new games. > > > > Looks like I'll need to shell out some cash for a DVD player for the old > PC > > if I want these sims :-( > > > > Also, any word on getting a copy of these games in the States? > > Also... Is it true that Rallisport challenge will only be available for > the > > XBOX? Crap! > > > > > > > > > >

Using DVD snap-cases to package games and other software in is catching on. I like the idea myself. It saves a LOT of room, and retailers love it because it uses far less shelf space. -Larry "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Jay J <[email hidden]> wrote on 15 Dec 2001: > > > I've been reading the reviews and checking out the info on some of > > the newly released, and soon to be released titles like Rally > > Trophy, and Codemasters new TOCA Race Driver, as well as EA's new > > Australian V8 Touring car gamem and it appears an alarming trend is > > going on. > > > > These titles are only available on DVD format for PC's! Unless I'm > > mistaken? > <Snip> > > No idea about TOCA, but I have RT, and it's definitely on a CD. Jim > Seamus' point is a good one - here in the UK, at least, the great > majority of PC games now come in DVD boxes - but I haven't seen a > single game actually on DVD in my local EB yet. > > > -- > Sceptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which > deep insights can be winnowed from deep nonsense -- Carl Sagan > > The GPL Scrapyard returns (slowly): http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

In the US maybe it doesn't come out till January, I don't know. It's been out in the UK for about 6 weeks now. "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PjWS7.42037$[email hidden]...

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> I thought RT didn't come out till January ? > > -Larry > > "Jim Seamus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4JJS7.4832$[email hidden]... > > > > My copy of Rally Trophy is on CD. It comes in a DVD box, maybe that's > > causing the confusion...? > > > > > > "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:0zJS7.2882$Kg2.951824@rwcrnsc51... > > > I've been reading the reviews and checking out the info on some of the > > newly > > > released, and soon to be released titles like Rally Trophy, and > > Codemasters > > > new TOCA Race Driver, as well as EA's new Australian V8 Touring car > gamem > > > and it appears an alarming trend is going on. > > > > > > These titles are only available on DVD format for PC's! Unless I'm > > mistaken? > > > Please enlighten me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be the way of the > > future > > > for a lot of new games. > > > > > > Looks like I'll need to shell out some cash for a DVD player for the

old > > PC > > > if I want these sims :-( > > > > > > Also, any word on getting a copy of these games in the States? > > > Also... Is it true that Rallisport challenge will only be availablefor

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You're not going to want to hear this, but.... DVD has been with us for how long now? two years? Three? Its called progress. Cassette tapes were replaced by CD's Floppy discs were replaced by CD's Vinyl records were replaced by cassette tapes then CD's Old (8mm?) films were replaced by video tape. Now CD's and video's are being replaced by DVD's. Its not like it was unexpected! Its been on the cards for some time now. Sooner or later *all* new titles will only be released on DVD. Get used to it, go out and upgrade your pc. You will not be buying DVD *just* for that one game, you will be able to use the DVD for other titles too! You can then enjoy the better quality, faster access and larger storage space like the rest of us.... 8-) *Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html

> Rally Trophy is due to be released in the US on 2/15. TOCA Race Driver is > the only one that I have seen listed as a DVD-ROM. I am all for it. > Hopefully this will mean more content. I have been waiting for the use of > high resolution compressed textures forever. If you have a PC capable of > running these new sims at acceptable rates then why wouldn't you have aDVD > drive. You can get a 16X for $50. Get with the times Jethro. ;) > > Kyle Absolutely. DVD drives have been out for several years and they are dirt cheap. It's about high time games switched to the new format and gave us MORE STUFF! :) -Phasor

The problem is that the DVD wastes a lot of space and expense for pc games and music. I'm sure we'll all "get used to it", but it's still wasteful at this point to use a more-expensive, 4gig+ media to store 600 megs (or usually less) of data or music. I agee with Dave that it does offer a little copy protection (for the near future), but with DVD burners presently dropping into the affordable range and crackers working like bees, I don't think this will last for long. If a game were to come out right now offered only on DVD media I wonder how sales would go? I presume that most people still have their DVD in the living room. If TOCA3 were only offered on DVD most people wouldn't go out and buy a DVD for one game. As for me, I'll put one on the pc when I need one. BD On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:53:36 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] wrote:

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>You're not going to want to hear this, but.... > >DVD has been with us for how long now? two years? Three? > >Its called progress. > >Cassette tapes were replaced by CD's > >Floppy discs were replaced by CD's > >Vinyl records were replaced by cassette tapes then CD's > >Old (8mm?) films were replaced by video tape. > >Now CD's and video's are being replaced by DVD's. > >Its not like it was unexpected! Its been on the cards for some time now. > >Sooner or later *all* new titles will only be released on DVD. Get used >to it, go out and upgrade your pc. You will not be buying DVD *just* for >that one game, you will be able to use the DVD for other titles too! > >You can then enjoy the better quality, faster access and larger storage >space like the rest of us.... > >8-) > >*Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html

"Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> writes: > Most people do a full CD install and use a no cd crack. At 700mb a gam thats > ok With DVD at over 4 gig a game is that an option? calm down. the game won't be bigger because it's on a DVD, it'll be on a DVD because it's bigger. if you have 1GB of data, it makes no big difference if you full-install from one DVD or two CDs. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "a poster is a human being or the software equivalent"