Looking for high detail car sounds

I"m looking for high detail sounds (MP3 or Wav). I have a few from the '67 GP era as well as Sports car sounds, but I'm looking for a lot more! I'm hoping to put them altogether to make a CD of just motor racing sounds. I'm looking for sounds of: Formula 1 (modern and historic) Sports cars Nascars Touring cars Drag Racing cars (top fuelers preferably) Anything else that sounds fabulous (read V12 sports cars ;0) If I get a good collection together and I get a space, I'll put them on the web for everyone to enjoy. So, who's got some links? Thanks in advance, James

There were some great LPs (vinyl) made in the late 50s(?) with names like "Sounds of Sebring". Iirc, these have some great engine sounds on them, as well as interviews with the drivers. No idea where to find them, but maybe this is enough of a clue to start a search? On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, James Pickard wrote:

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> I"m looking for high detail sounds (MP3 or Wav). I have a few from the '67 > GP era as well as Sports car sounds, but I'm looking for a lot more! > > I'm hoping to put them altogether to make a CD of just motor racing sounds. > > I'm looking for sounds of: > > Formula 1 (modern and historic) > Sports cars > Nascars > Touring cars > Drag Racing cars (top fuelers preferably) > Anything else that sounds fabulous (read V12 sports cars ;0) > > > If I get a good collection together and I get a space, I'll put them on the > web for everyone to enjoy. > > So, who's got some links? > > > Thanks in advance, > > > James > > > >

Here are a couple: http://www.racecar.co.uk/sounds.htm http://www.mustangworld.com/ourpics/sounds/sounds.htm This one has some awesome sounds of a '53 F-1 BRM 16 cylinder (drool) and an '84 Cosworth F-1 : http://www.billzilla.org/engread.htm Good luck, hope to hear what you come up with :0) Todd Wasson --- Performance Simulations Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction Software http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

Doug, Road & Track, June 1999..... Hehe.. Cool, very cool :0) How was it working with Mario Andretti, or should I say, how was it for him working with you :-)? Todd Wasson --- Performance Simulations Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction Software http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

Ah, so you found the MRA website eh? Mario did the track testing and I did the skid pad evaluation so we didn't have much contact during the actual road test. In the morning before the test began it was wet/puddles from rain overnight and I got some wild rides, best description might be, "intermittent hydroplaning combined with limit operation". Kind of like driving on patchy ice, but _much_ faster. This does not sit well before lunch... On 18 Dec 2001, J. Todd Wasson wrote:

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> Doug, > > Road & Track, June 1999..... Hehe.. Cool, very cool :0) How was it working > with Mario Andretti, or should I say, how was it for him working with you :-)? > > > > Todd Wasson > --- > Performance Simulations > Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction > Software > http://PerformanceSimulations.Com > >

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:24:26 +1100, "James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I"m looking for high detail sounds (MP3 or Wav). I have a few from the '67 >GP era as well as Sports car sounds, but I'm looking for a lot more! > >I'm hoping to put them altogether to make a CD of just motor racing sounds. > >I'm looking for sounds of: > >Formula 1 (modern and historic) >Sports cars >Nascars >Touring cars >Drag Racing cars (top fuelers preferably) >Anything else that sounds fabulous (read V12 sports cars ;0)

Man, I would kill for a CD with top-notch high-end recordings of cool engines... I mean really good recordings like that of the BRM-V16. Here's my contribution anyways: http://homepage.tinet.ie/~expatjen/files/f1ferr94.zip

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>Ah, so you found the MRA website eh? > >Mario did the track testing and I did the skid pad evaluation so we didn't >have much contact during the actual road test. In the morning before the >test began it was wet/puddles from rain overnight and I got some wild >rides, best description might be, "intermittent hydroplaning combined with >limit operation". Kind of like driving on patchy ice, but _much_ faster. >This does not sit well before lunch...

Actually, I bought that issue of the magazine when it came out. I just had to see Andretti racing around and testing those cars, seeing how they stacked up against each other. A couple nights ago I dug it out again and read through the articles and said, "Wow! I'll be darned, it's Doug Milliken!" Funny, I've read through there a bunch of times and never realized it was you doing the skidpad evaluations. So, let me get this straight. That day, you drove: 1. Acura NSX 2. Corvette C-5 3. Dodge Viper 4. Lotus Esprit 5. Porche Carrera 4 6. Ferrari F355 Spider I envy you, I really envy you! lol Even with a little "intermittent hydroplaning combined with limit operation" due to bad weather... hehe What is MRA's url, anyway? I'm curious to see. I thought this was a neat quote from the magazine article: "The last 20 years have been spent [by Doug Miliken] with Milliken Research Associates, though doing exactly what, you can't pry out of him. MRA is a hired gun, made up of analysts who solve problems the car companies don't like to talk about. However, a measure of their analytical gravity is that their technical tome, Race Car Vehicle Dynamics, has become an engineering textbook in several colleges." Cool... Very, very cool... Excuse me while I wipe the brown stuff off my nose, but you're the man, definately the man :-) Todd Wasson --- Performance Simulations Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction Software http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

On 18 Dec 2001, J. Todd Wasson wrote: ... > the articles and said, "Wow! I'll be darned, it's Doug Milliken!" Funny, I've > read through there a bunch of times and never realized it was you doing the > skidpad evaluations. So, let me get this straight. That day, you drove: > > 1. Acura NSX [note, "Zanardi Edition, non-power steering, probably my favorite road-car steering system of all time. Just talked to a Japanese journalist who owned a very early NSX that also had non-power steering--all the rest of production has, afaik, power-assist.] > 2. Corvette C-5 > 3. Dodge Viper > 4. Lotus Esprit > 5. Porche Carrera 4 > 6. Ferrari F355 Spider It was nearly a nightmare, I had about 3 hours total to do about two days of work. While the life of a magazine roadtester may seem idylic, the reality is somewhat more hectic...<grin> > What is MRA's url, anyway? I'm curious to see. I thought this was a neat > quote from the magazine article: <http://www.millikenresearch.com>, please send email comments to this list or to me <[email hidden]>, not our associate (he gets email sent to the site). There is a link on our site to my report on the R & T road test (maybe on the "Services" page?). R & T put the whole thing up, but only used short quotes in the magazine. -- Doug Milliken Milliken Research Associates Inc.

Coulda saved ya a LOT of time Doug...Just test the Viper...forget the rest......:) dave henrie "Doug Milliken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > On 18 Dec 2001, J. Todd Wasson wrote: > ... > > the articles and said, "Wow! I'll be darned, it's Doug Milliken!"Funny, I've > > read through there a bunch of times and never realized it was you doingthe > > skidpad evaluations. So, let me get this straight. That day, youdrove:

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> > > > 1. Acura NSX > [note, "Zanardi Edition, non-power steering, probably my favorite > road-car steering system of all time. Just talked to a Japanese > journalist who owned a very early NSX that also had non-power > steering--all the rest of production has, afaik, power-assist.] > > 2. Corvette C-5 > > 3. Dodge Viper > > 4. Lotus Esprit > > 5. Porche Carrera 4 > > 6. Ferrari F355 Spider > > > It was nearly a nightmare, I had about 3 hours total to do about two days > of work. While the life of a magazine roadtester may seem idylic, the > reality is somewhat more hectic...<grin> > > > What is MRA's url, anyway? I'm curious to see. I thought this was a

neat > > quote from the magazine article: > > <http://www.millikenresearch.com>, please send email comments to this list > or to me <[email hidden]>, not our associate (he gets email sent to thesite).

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> > There is a link on our site to my report on the R & T road test (maybe on > the "Services" page?). R & T put the whole thing up, but only used short > quotes in the magazine. > > -- Doug Milliken > Milliken Research Associates Inc. >

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:27:17 +0100, na_biker <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:24:26 +1100, "James Pickard" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>I"m looking for high detail sounds (MP3 or Wav). I have a few from the '67 >>GP era as well as Sports car sounds, but I'm looking for a lot more! >> >>I'm hoping to put them altogether to make a CD of just motor racing sounds. >> >>I'm looking for sounds of: >> >>Formula 1 (modern and historic) >>Sports cars >>Nascars >>Touring cars >>Drag Racing cars (top fuelers preferably) >>Anything else that sounds fabulous (read V12 sports cars ;0) > > >Man, I would kill for a CD with top-notch high-end recordings of cool >engines... I mean really good recordings like that of the BRM-V16. > >Here's my contribution anyways: > >http://homepage.tinet.ie/~expatjen/files/f1ferr94.zip > >

Didn't Roger Waters (or one of the other Pink Floyd guys) produce a CD of sounds from the cars in his stable? Seems like I saw them floating around a while back.

How about incar sounds...we could then play guessing games trying to figure out which track they were recorded at by listening to the use of the throttle and brakes... Le Sarthe should be easy... :) dave henrie "chairborne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c24befd.1674748@news-server...

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> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:27:17 +0100, na_biker <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:24:26 +1100, "James Pickard" > ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >>I"m looking for high detail sounds (MP3 or Wav). I have a few from the

'67 > >>GP era as well as Sports car sounds, but I'm looking for a lot more! > >> > >>I'm hoping to put them altogether to make a CD of just motor racingsounds.

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> >> > >>I'm looking for sounds of: > >> > >>Formula 1 (modern and historic) > >>Sports cars > >>Nascars > >>Touring cars > >>Drag Racing cars (top fuelers preferably) > >>Anything else that sounds fabulous (read V12 sports cars ;0) > > > > > >Man, I would kill for a CD with top-notch high-end recordings of cool > >engines... I mean really good recordings like that of the BRM-V16. > > > >Here's my contribution anyways: > > > >http://homepage.tinet.ie/~expatjen/files/f1ferr94.zip > > > > > Didn't Roger Waters (or one of the other Pink Floyd guys) produce a CD > of sounds from the cars in his stable? Seems like I saw them floating > around a while back.

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>That day, you >drove: >> > >> > 1. Acura NSX >> [note, "Zanardi Edition, non-power steering, probably my favorite >> road-car steering system of all time. Just talked to a Japanese >> journalist who owned a very early NSX that also had non-power >> steering--all the rest of production has, afaik, power-assist.]

Shoot, my newsreader didn't post your reply here, Doug, thanks Dave for replying so I could see it :0) I saw that it was the Zanardi Edition.. Very nice. God what I would give to drive around in those cars for a few hours! lol >> It was nearly a nightmare, I had about 3 hours total to do about two days >> of work. While the life of a magazine roadtester may seem idylic, the >> reality is somewhat more hectic...<grin> >> Hmmm..... I'll buy that, but I can't say I feel sorry for ya :-) >> There is a link on our site to my report on the R & T road test (maybe on >> the "Services" page?). R & T put the whole thing up, but only used short >> quotes in the magazine. >> There we go :0) That's much better. I'll have to refer to this if/when I try to model one of those cars with nothing but magazine articles for input data... It's interesting how braking effects are studied on the skidpad this way. I'd imagine that the cars that still track the circle well when the brakes are on have a bit more forward brake bias than the rears, right? Speaking of brake bias, does this indicate the ratio of total braking torques front/rear, or does it indicate how quickly they rise relative to each other? If brake bias only tells the ratio of total torques, that's probably not very descriptive, come to think of it... Todd Wasson --- Performance Simulations Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction Software http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

J. Todd Wasson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > on have a bit more forward brake bias than the rears, right? Speaking of brake > bias, does this indicate the ratio of total braking torques front/rear, or does > it indicate how quickly they rise relative to each other? If brake bias only > tells the ratio of total torques, that's probably not very descriptive, come to > think of it... It's the former, though I suppose strictly speaking in a real, road car it only applies at one given value of brake effort. Various valves may be used to alter the split, not to mention the significantly different initial characteristics of drums vs. discs. Jonny

On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:04:29 GMT, [email hidden] (chairborne) wrote:

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>>Man, I would kill for a CD with top-notch high-end recordings of cool >>engines... I mean really good recordings like that of the BRM-V16. >> >>Here's my contribution anyways: >> >>http://homepage.tinet.ie/~expatjen/files/f1ferr94.zip >> >> >Didn't Roger Waters (or one of the other Pink Floyd guys) produce a CD >of sounds from the cars in his stable? Seems like I saw them floating >around a while back.

I know Nick Mason, the drummer, has a big car collection. I also seem to remember something about something called "Into the red"-or something. Haven't seen it anywhere, though.

On 22 Dec 2001, J. Todd Wasson wrote: > >> There is a link on our site to my report on the R & T road test (maybe on > >> the "Services" page?). R & T put the whole thing up, but only used short > >> quotes in the magazine. Down near the bottom, <http://www.millikenresearch.com/services.html> has the link to the Road & Track page (the R & T link changes and we keep updating our link to track it). > It's interesting how braking effects are studied on the skidpad this way. > I'd imagine that the cars that still track the circle well when the brakes are > on have a bit more forward brake bias than the rears, right? Speaking of brake There are a lot things going on, just for one example consider, "longitudinal force compliance steer" -- wheels steer a little bit when the brakes are applied. Such things are measured by rigs like this: <http://www.abd.uk.com/spmm1.htm> Also discussed in RCVD Chap 23. > bias, does this indicate the ratio of total braking torques front/rear, or does > it indicate how quickly they rise relative to each other? If brake bias only > tells the ratio of total torques, that's probably not very descriptive, come to > think of it... "Brake bias" (as we use it) is the ratio of either wheel torques or, better yet, force at the ground (takes care of different loaded radius tires F and R). However, I don't believe that there is much of a standard for this term, so it could be used in many ways. With various add-ons in the brake system, the bias can change all over the place (proportioning valves, ride-height sensitive valves, ABS...)

chairborne wrote in message <3c24befd.1674748@news-server>... >On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:27:17 +0100, na_biker <[email hidden]> >wrote: >Didn't Roger Waters (or one of the other Pink Floyd guys) produce a CD >of sounds from the cars in his stable? Seems like I saw them floating >around a while back. That was Nick Mason (Pink Floyd's drummer). He put out a book of his car collection with an accompanying CD of their engine sounds. Last year at the Goodwood festival, Nick Mason and Damon Hill were partners in an historic sports car race driving one of Mason's beautiful old Ferraris. Unfortunately, Hill crashed the car before Mason got his turn to drive! Dave Ewing

>"chairborne" <[email hidden]> wrote > Didn't Roger Waters (or one of the other Pink Floyd guys) produce a CD > of sounds from the cars in his stable? Seems like I saw them floating > around a while back. That would be Nick Mason ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/yves.menard/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>It's the former, though I suppose strictly speaking in >a real, road car it only applies at one given value of >brake effort. Various valves may be used to alter the >split, not to mention the significantly different initial >characteristics of drums vs. discs. > How are drums and discs different initially? Todd Wasson --- Performance Simulations Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction Software http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

>There are a lot things going on, just for one example consider, >"longitudinal force compliance steer" -- wheels steer a little bit when the >brakes are applied. Such things are measured by rigs like this: ><http://www.abd.uk.com/spmm1.htm> Also discussed in RCVD Chap 23. Ah, this is something I haven't included yet... Is this due to compliance in the bushings and arms? That test machine doesn't look cheap...

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>"Brake bias" (as we use it) is the ratio of either wheel torques or, better >yet, force at the ground (takes care of different loaded radius tires F and >R). However, I don't believe that there is much of a standard for this >term, so it could be used in many ways. With various add-ons in the brake >system, the bias can change all over the place (proportioning valves, >ride-height sensitive valves, ABS...) >

I've read a bit on the proportioning valves, but never heard of ride-height sensitive valves... Interesting. Are they used independantly at each wheel usually, so brake bias changes at each wheel seperately as a function of roll/pitch/wheel travel? Todd Wasson --- Performance Simulations Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction Software http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

> >"longitudinal force compliance steer" -- wheels steer a little bit when the > >brakes are applied. Such things are measured by rigs like this: > ><http://www.abd.uk.com/spmm1.htm> Also discussed in RCVD Chap 23. > > Ah, this is something I haven't included yet... Is this due to compliance in > the bushings and arms? That test machine doesn't look cheap... Or just bending at the attachment points to the chassis...

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> >term, so it could be used in many ways. With various add-ons in the brake > >system, the bias can change all over the place (proportioning valves, > >ride-height sensitive valves, ABS...) > I've read a bit on the proportioning valves, but never heard of ride-height > sensitive valves... Interesting. Are they used independantly at each wheel > usually, so brake bias changes at each wheel seperately as a function of > roll/pitch/wheel travel?

Used, iirc, on the rear of pick-up trucks to nearly shut off the rear brakes when the truck is UN-loaded -- prevent rear lock-up. Just a simple link between the valve and the axle senses the distance from axle to chassis and varies the rear brake proportion.

.>> Ah, this is something I haven't included yet... Is this due to >compliance in >> the bushings and arms? That test machine doesn't look cheap... > >Or just bending at the attachment points to the chassis... Hmm.... I wonder if Ruud's Racer will do finite element analysis anytime soon and allow us to build our own frames, specify materials, etc... :-) Intersting though, I'll read up on that in your book. Thanks. >Used, iirc, on the rear of pick-up trucks to nearly shut off the rear >brakes when the truck is UN-loaded -- prevent rear lock-up. Just >a simple link between the valve and the axle senses the distance from >axle to chassis and varies the rear brake proportion. Oh, ok. Clever device.. Todd Wasson --- Performance Simulations Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction Software http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

In article <[email hidden]>, na_biker wrote: >I know Nick Mason, the drummer, has a big car collection. I also seem >to remember something about something called "Into the red"-or >something. Haven't seen it anywhere, though. That's right. You can find information on the book along with some sound clips at: <URL: http://www.tentenths.co.uk/http://www.tentenths.co.uk/ > -Jari Please remove SPAMLESS before replying via email. Thank you. -- {~._.~} o Jari Ketola - if.iki@alotek - GPLRank: -7.79 ( Y ) : ``I'm not blipping the throttle. ()~*~() : It's... traction control :)�� (_)-(_) . --Greger Huttu

On 25 Dec 2001 00:00:46 GMT, [email hidden] (J. Todd Wasson) wrote:

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>.>> Ah, this is something I haven't included yet... Is this due to >>compliance in >>> the bushings and arms? That test machine doesn't look cheap... >> >>Or just bending at the attachment points to the chassis... > > Hmm.... I wonder if Ruud's Racer will do finite element analysis anytime >soon and allow us to build our own frames, specify materials, etc... :-)

Heh, that's at the end of the tasklist, right before 'build a car for real and just race that'. Much easier. ;-) Ruud van Gaal Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

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>> Hmm.... I wonder if Ruud's Racer will do finite element analysis anytime >>soon and allow us to build our own frames, specify materials, etc... :-) > >Heh, that's at the end of the tasklist, right before 'build a car for >real and just race that'. Much easier. ;-) > > >Ruud van Gaal

Hehe. But would the physics be as good? What about low speed instability? Todd Wasson --- Performance Simulations Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction Software http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

On 28 Dec 2001 22:00:34 GMT, [email hidden] (J. Todd Wasson) wrote:

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>>> Hmm.... I wonder if Ruud's Racer will do finite element analysis anytime >>>soon and allow us to build our own frames, specify materials, etc... :-) >> >>Heh, that's at the end of the tasklist, right before 'build a car for >>real and just race that'. Much easier. ;-) >> >> >>Ruud van Gaal > > Hehe. But would the physics be as good? What about low speed instability?

Hm, probably the physics in the sim would be better. ;-) Still, I was amazed to notice that my real car could stand still will sideways on a small slope! Now if only I could figure that out?! ;-) Ruud van Gaal Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/ Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

J. Todd Wasson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >It's the former, though I suppose strictly speaking in > >a real, road car it only applies at one given value of > >brake effort. Various valves may be used to alter the > >split, not to mention the significantly different initial > >characteristics of drums vs. discs. > > > > How are drums and discs different initially?

The pads on discs sit much closer, so are likely to pick up first. Drum brake shoes sit a little further away on fairly heavy return springs, but given a leading-trailing arrangement it's possible that they'll bite slightly more when the shoes eventually touch (the leading shoe has a somewhat positive 'self-servo' effect; discs have a slightly negative value). IIRC it was suggested on my degree course that we use a threshold pressure for the drums and a percentage efficiency for the discs when calculating brake split (especially at low pressures), though just how close that is to the actual characteristics I don't know. Jonny

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>> How are drums and discs different initially? > >The pads on discs sit much closer, so are likely to pick up >first. Drum brake shoes sit a little further away on fairly >heavy return springs, but given a leading-trailing arrangement >it's possible that they'll bite slightly more when the shoes >eventually touch (the leading shoe has a somewhat positive >'self-servo' effect; discs have a slightly negative value). > >IIRC it was suggested on my degree course that we use a >threshold pressure for the drums and a percentage efficiency >for the discs when calculating brake split (especially at >low pressures), though just how close that is to the actual >characteristics I don't know. > >Jonny >

Thanks, Jonny.. I might have more questions for you on this later. Todd Wasson --- Performance Simulations Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction Software http://PerformanceSimulations.Com My little car sim screenshots: http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm