N4 and Multiple Controllers

I posted some questions about this a few months back, and could not get a solution to my problem. I'm hoping that perhaps Santa brought some of you some new controllers, making your system similar to mine, and that you've gotten it to work with N4: I have an LWFF wheel with TSW peds and and an Act-Labs USB shifter. This set-up works fine with GPL (which I primarily bought the shifter for), but it doesn't work with N4. Here's my set-up: LWFF on ID#1 (using serial port) USB Shifter on ID#2 (using USB port) - gotta be on this ID for it to work with GPL AFAIK. TSW Peds on ID#3 - split axis - (using gameport) In N4, using the non-optimized driver, I can't get my brake pedal to be recognized (Throttle is recognized, though). Using the optimized driver, the LWFF is not recognized. (NOTE: I'm not running N4 through the Logitech Profiler). This happens whether the USB shifter software is activated or not. As I said, this set-up works fine with GPL, and I have no problems with any other sim (although I have to use the LWFF paddle shifters with them.) So, has anyone with a similar system (3 controllers) gotten N4 to recognize all 3 controllers properly? Thanks! -- Bert

I think the problem may be with the fact that the control display page in N4 is not very umm.. easy to read in a way. I had the same problem, then I saw the => arrow down in the bottom right of the screen. When you are calibrating your controllers in N4, you can hit the arrow and go to the next screen which then shows the next 4 controller axis I am using a TM Pro Digital 2 Wheel with the Act-Labs Pedals. I could only calibrate the brake on the first page, my throttle was on the second page of the controller config. Check it out and see if that fixes the problem "BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I posted some questions about this a few months back, and could not get > a solution to my problem. I'm hoping that perhaps Santa brought some of > you some new controllers, making your system similar to mine, and that > you've gotten it to work with N4: > > I have an LWFF wheel with TSW peds and and an Act-Labs USB shifter. > This set-up works fine with GPL (which I primarily bought the shifter > for), but it doesn't work with N4. Here's my set-up: > > LWFF on ID#1 (using serial port) > USB Shifter on ID#2 (using USB port) - gotta be on this ID for it to > work with GPL AFAIK. > TSW Peds on ID#3 - split axis - (using gameport) > > In N4, using the non-optimized driver, I can't get my brake pedal to be > recognized (Throttle is recognized, though). Using the optimized > driver, the LWFF is not recognized. (NOTE: I'm not running N4 through > the Logitech Profiler). This happens whether the USB shifter software > is activated or not. > > As I said, this set-up works fine with GPL, and I have no problems with > any other sim (although I have to use the LWFF paddle shifters with > them.) > > So, has anyone with a similar system (3 controllers) gotten N4 to > recognize all 3 controllers properly? > > Thanks! > > -- > Bert > >

I have a very similar problem but with the LWFF, Act Labs 3 pedal setup, and the GPL shifter. I have to unplug the shifter to get N4 to recognize anything on the pedals except the brake. The brake axis works whether or not the shifter is plugged in. Not a question of going to the last page on the calibration screen, I see 12 possible axis, but most are unresponsive. Really hoping to get this working. Jim snip...

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>LWFF on ID#1 (using serial port) >USB Shifter on ID#2 (using USB port) - gotta be on this ID for it to >work with GPL AFAIK. >TSW Peds on ID#3 - split axis - (using gameport) > >In N4, using the non-optimized driver, I can't get my brake pedal to be >recognized (Throttle is recognized, though). Using the optimized >driver, the LWFF is not recognized. (NOTE: I'm not running N4 through >the Logitech Profiler). This happens whether the USB shifter software >is activated or not. > >As I said, this set-up works fine with GPL, and I have no problems with >any other sim (although I have to use the LWFF paddle shifters with >them.) > >So, has anyone with a similar system (3 controllers) gotten N4 to >recognize all 3 controllers properly?

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Thanks for the suggestion, Cliff. However, I did notice that second calibration screen, and switched to it, so that is not the problem. I should have mentioned that in my original post - Sorry. Cliff Roman wrote:

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> I think the problem may be with the fact that the control display page in N4 > is not very umm.. easy to read in a way. > > I had the same problem, then I saw the => arrow down in the bottom right > of the screen. When you are calibrating your controllers in N4, you can hit > the arrow and go to the next screen which then shows the next 4 controller > axis > > I am using a TM Pro Digital 2 Wheel with the Act-Labs Pedals. I could only > calibrate the brake on the first page, my throttle was on the second page of > the controller config. > > Check it out and see if that fixes the problem > > "BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I posted some questions about this a few months back, and could not get > > a solution to my problem. I'm hoping that perhaps Santa brought some of > > you some new controllers, making your system similar to mine, and that > > you've gotten it to work with N4: > > > > I have an LWFF wheel with TSW peds and and an Act-Labs USB shifter. > > This set-up works fine with GPL (which I primarily bought the shifter > > for), but it doesn't work with N4. Here's my set-up: > > > > LWFF on ID#1 (using serial port) > > USB Shifter on ID#2 (using USB port) - gotta be on this ID for it to > > work with GPL AFAIK. > > TSW Peds on ID#3 - split axis - (using gameport) > > > > In N4, using the non-optimized driver, I can't get my brake pedal to be > > recognized (Throttle is recognized, though). Using the optimized > > driver, the LWFF is not recognized. (NOTE: I'm not running N4 through > > the Logitech Profiler). This happens whether the USB shifter software > > is activated or not. > > > > As I said, this set-up works fine with GPL, and I have no problems with > > any other sim (although I have to use the LWFF paddle shifters with > > them.) > > > > So, has anyone with a similar system (3 controllers) gotten N4 to > > recognize all 3 controllers properly? > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > Bert > > > >

-- Bert

Jim, It sound like you have the exact same problem as me. 8-( I'd be curious to know what ID each of your controllers is on. It's strange how a particular controller set-up works fine with one Sierra/Papy product (GPL), but not with another (N4). ....And it kind of miffs me that the Act Labs website specifically states that the shifter works with N4. At this point, I don't care whether I can get the actual shifter working with N4 or not (I'd use the LWFF paddle shifters instead)-- I just don't want to always swap controller ID's, and unplug and re-plug the shifter all the time. If you hear of a solution, let me know. I'll do the same with you. Bert Jim Burlis wrote:

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> I have a very similar problem but with the LWFF, Act Labs 3 pedal > setup, and the GPL shifter. > > I have to unplug the shifter to get N4 to recognize anything on the > pedals except the brake. The brake axis works whether or not the > shifter is plugged in. > > Not a question of going to the last page on the calibration screen, I > see 12 possible axis, but most are unresponsive. Really hoping to get > this working. > > Jim > > snip... > > >LWFF on ID#1 (using serial port) > >USB Shifter on ID#2 (using USB port) - gotta be on this ID for it to > >work with GPL AFAIK. > >TSW Peds on ID#3 - split axis - (using gameport) > > > >In N4, using the non-optimized driver, I can't get my brake pedal to be > >recognized (Throttle is recognized, though). Using the optimized > >driver, the LWFF is not recognized. (NOTE: I'm not running N4 through > >the Logitech Profiler). This happens whether the USB shifter software > >is activated or not. > > > >As I said, this set-up works fine with GPL, and I have no problems with > >any other sim (although I have to use the LWFF paddle shifters with > >them.) > > > >So, has anyone with a similar system (3 controllers) gotten N4 to > >recognize all 3 controllers properly? > snip...

-- Bert

Here's what I got from ACT... Hi James, This is a recognized compatibility issue between the LWFF, our Pedal/Shifter combo, and Nascar 4. This only appears to affect N4, and N2002 when using a Logi wheel. We are in contact with Papyrus to try and resolve this, but for the time being, it is considered an incompatibility. If you like, we can take your pedals or shifter back for a refund. Technical Support Dept. ACT LABS Ltd. [snip....] Hi guys. This continues to frustrate me, and NASCAR 2002 didn't solve it. Let me try just posing this question: Have you tested N4 or N2002 with the USB performance pedals, the GPL shifter, and any other wheel (preferably a LWFF - the original)? BTW, this is a problem regardless of other USB devices, or the controller ID order. Thanks! Jim Burlis

I use the USB performance Pedals w/ Nascar 2002 and N4. Works fine. Using the Force RS wheel and the Shifter, as well. Using Unified Drivers, everything works. Had to change to a single axis as the other sims I drive can't support split. Gavel "Jim Burlis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Here's what I got from ACT... > > > > Hi James, > > This is a recognized compatibility issue between the LWFF, our > Pedal/Shifter combo, and Nascar 4. This only appears to affect N4, > and N2002 when using a Logi wheel. > We are in contact with Papyrus to try and resolve this, but for the > time being, it is considered an incompatibility. If you like, we can > take your pedals or shifter back for a refund. > Technical Support Dept. > ACT LABS Ltd. > > [snip....] > > Hi guys. > > This continues to frustrate me, and NASCAR 2002 didn't solve it. > > Let me try just posing this question: > > Have you tested N4 or N2002 with the USB performance pedals, the GPL > shifter, and any other wheel (preferably a LWFF - the original)? > > BTW, this is a problem regardless of other USB devices, or the > controller > ID > order. > > Thanks! > > Jim Burlis > >

Hi Gavel, Sorry, the start of that thread is probably MIA on most news servers, the issue is the pedals work fine with the wheel (a Logi WFF (original)), and the shifter works fine with the wheel, but when you try to use both the pedals and the shifter, you lose 2 of the pedal axis. Definite problem with the LWFF, the GPL Shifter, and performance pedals in N4 or N2002. Apparently just this combo has the problem lucky me ;-) On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:18:34 -0800, "Gavel" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I use the USB performance Pedals w/ Nascar 2002 and N4. Works fine. >Using the Force RS wheel and the Shifter, as well. Using Unified Drivers, >everything works. >Had to change to a single axis as the other sims I drive can't support >split. >Gavel >"Jim Burlis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Here's what I got from ACT... >> >> >> >> Hi James, >> >> This is a recognized compatibility issue between the LWFF, our >> Pedal/Shifter combo, and Nascar 4. This only appears to affect N4, >> and N2002 when using a Logi wheel. >> We are in contact with Papyrus to try and resolve this, but for the >> time being, it is considered an incompatibility. If you like, we can >> take your pedals or shifter back for a refund. >> Technical Support Dept. >> ACT LABS Ltd. >> >> [snip....] >> >> Hi guys. >> >> This continues to frustrate me, and NASCAR 2002 didn't solve it. >> >> Let me try just posing this question: >> >> Have you tested N4 or N2002 with the USB performance pedals, the GPL >> shifter, and any other wheel (preferably a LWFF - the original)? >> >> BTW, this is a problem regardless of other USB devices, or the >> controller >> ID >> order. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jim Burlis >> >> >

I just got this fixed last night, Oh btw its not just Logitech there are many people complaining on the Act-Labs forum with Act labs wheel, performance pedals and GPL shifter with the exact same problem. The problem seems to be the Logitech Wingman profiler software. I did a clean install yesterday of XP on a seperate hard drive. Plugged in the componnets, First Logitech wheel, Performance pedals, then the GPL shifter and got them to work in N2002. DO NOT install the Logitech software. XP sees the Logitech wheel and loads it own driver. The problem is when I went back to my old hard drive that did not work, unistalled the logitech software, resinstalled WinXP and it is still broken. Looks like there is a registry setting or some system file that screws this up, A clean format of the hard drive and a complete reinstall from scratch without Wingman is the only fix. I don't know if ths will work in win98 but worth a try if anyone has an extra hard drive to try it out. Jack "Jim Burlis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi Gavel, > > Sorry, the start of that thread is probably MIA on most news servers, > the issue is the pedals work fine with the wheel (a Logi WFF > (original)), and the shifter works fine with the wheel, but when you > try to use both the pedals and the shifter, you lose 2 of the pedal > axis. Definite problem with the LWFF, the GPL Shifter, and performance > pedals in N4 or N2002. > > Apparently just this combo has the problem > > lucky me ;-) > > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:18:34 -0800, "Gavel" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I use the USB performance Pedals w/ Nascar 2002 and N4. Works fine. > >Using the Force RS wheel and the Shifter, as well. Using Unified

Drivers, > >everything works. > >Had to change to a single axis as the other sims I drive can't support > >split. > >Gavel > >"Jim Burlis" <[email hidden]> wrote inmessage

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> >news:[email hidden]... > >> Here's what I got from ACT... > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi James, > >> > >> This is a recognized compatibility issue between the LWFF, our > >> Pedal/Shifter combo, and Nascar 4. This only appears to affect N4, > >> and N2002 when using a Logi wheel. > >> We are in contact with Papyrus to try and resolve this, but for the > >> time being, it is considered an incompatibility. If you like, we can > >> take your pedals or shifter back for a refund. > >> Technical Support Dept. > >> ACT LABS Ltd. > >> > >> [snip....] > >> > >> Hi guys. > >> > >> This continues to frustrate me, and NASCAR 2002 didn't solve it. > >> > >> Let me try just posing this question: > >> > >> Have you tested N4 or N2002 with the USB performance pedals, the GPL > >> shifter, and any other wheel (preferably a LWFF - the original)? > >> > >> BTW, this is a problem regardless of other USB devices, or the > >> controller > >> ID > >> order. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Jim Burlis > >> > >> > > >

In article <ftVc8.26296$[email hidden]>, "Jack Pim" <[email hidden]> writes: >A clean format of the hard drive and a >complete reinstall from scratch without Wingman is the only fix. I don't >know if ths will work in win98 but worth a try if anyone has an extra hard >drive to try it out. > Why not just deltree c:\windows, then re-install? Why re-format the whole damn drive? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.