Tim Frazer wins Nurburgring GP!

Results are here:http://www-personal.umich.edu/~epickett/gprace.html Congrats to all the finishers. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Canadiens and USaiens take all the top spots? Oh my !! dave henrie "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On 01 Jan 2002 21:23:09 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >Results are here:http://www-personal.umich.edu/~epickett/gprace.html > >Congrats to all the finishers. > > > >Eldred > > And one of the finishers includes Eldred himself, as usual I might add > :) > Congrats all, it was a great race. I was leading with a comfortable 35 > second lead, but concentrating became harder and harder.. on lap 11 I > made a silly mistake which costed me a wheel :( > Really disappointed with that, I really wanted to finish this one.. > but I only can blame myself :( > > Andre

On 01 Jan 2002 21:23:09 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Results are here:http://www-personal.umich.edu/~epickett/gprace.html >Congrats to all the finishers. > >Eldred And one of the finishers includes Eldred himself, as usual I might add :) Congrats all, it was a great race. I was leading with a comfortable 35 second lead, but concentrating became harder and harder.. on lap 11 I made a silly mistake which costed me a wheel :( Really disappointed with that, I really wanted to finish this one.. but I only can blame myself :( Andre

Eldred, I responded to Andre's post awhile back about passwording this race and I'm glad you didn't. Although I wanted very much to be part of this race, my efforts in practice made it clear to me that I do not belong on this track when it does not have "shift R" available.(As a courtesy to others!) I still want more than anything to do one of your GP's, so I hope you will continue to keep them on a first come basis. Thanks, Gary Stephenson EldredP wrote:

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> > Results are here:http://www-personal.umich.edu/~epickett/gprace.html > Congrats to all the finishers. > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes:

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>And one of the finishers includes Eldred himself, as usual I might add >:) >Congrats all, it was a great race. I was leading with a comfortable 35 >second lead, but concentrating became harder and harder.. on lap 11 I >made a silly mistake which costed me a wheel :( >Really disappointed with that, I really wanted to finish this one.. >but I only can blame myself :( > >Andre

And thank you to you and Jan(and whoever else was watching) for not clogging the screen with chat during the race. I was a bit worried about that when you both went out... I thought you might comiserate with each other...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Gary Stephenson <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Eldred, > >I responded to Andre's post awhile back about passwording this race and >I'm glad you didn't. Although I wanted very much to be part of this >race, my efforts in practice made it clear to me that I do not belong on >this track when it does not have "shift R" available.(As a courtesy to >others!) I still want more than anything to do one of your GP's, so I >hope you will continue to keep them on a first come basis. > >Thanks, > >Gary Stephenson

When/if I ever host Monaco, that will be passworded. I also have concerns about people who join, but don't realize it's a GP race. We had a guy yesterday who called us "nuts" for running a full race. He seemed surprised that anyone would even TRY it. That had at least a couple of us nervous about his ability. I had "!eject #15" all typed in and ready to execute, but he said he'd try...<g> He crashed out on lap 2, so maybe I should have kicked him as soon as he made the comment... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hat's off to everyone involved - just finishing is quite an achivement by itself IMO. -- ed_ "EldredP" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:[email hidden]... > Results are here:http://www-personal.umich.edu/~epickett/gprace.html > Congrats to all the finishers. > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > And thank you to you and Jan(and whoever else was watching) > for not clogging the screen with chat during the race. I > was a bit worried about that when you both went out... I > thought you might comiserate with each other...<g> I assume it's common knowledge it's possible to chat on a 1-on-1 basis in GPL? Similar to the "whisper" function in VROC if one preceeds his comment by "/#xx", without the quotes and where xx is car number of the person the message is intended for (no leading zeros for single digit numbers), the message can only be seen by the driver of that particular car. Obviously, one should double check the person in question has indeed retired. The car number can be found on the entry list page (click dog ear at Event Info screen). A received "whispered" comment will be preceded by "->" in the chat window. When Andre lost it I informed as to what went wrong as he was not in my replay at the time. As he answered "in the clear" (by mistake I assume), I didn't initiate chat again before the end of the race. Personally I find chat during live sessions most distracting so, as a rule, I try to not subject others to it either. In case anyone's interested/cares I messed this one up royally as well and am still kicking myself for rushing my recovery, overrevving my engine in the process (which lead to my eventual demise). Apologies to my fellow racers for making Adenauer Forst a bit more of a chicane than it already is on lap1. My replay doesn't reach, but I think/hope things just about went ok and I didn't really involve anyone in my off(s). If not, feel free to send E-mail and yell at me. ;-) Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

On 02 Jan 2002 18:07:33 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>When/if I ever host Monaco, that will be passworded. I also have concerns >about people who join, but don't realize it's a GP race. We had a guy >yesterday who called us "nuts" for running a full race. He seemed surprised >that anyone would even TRY it. That had at least a couple of us nervous about >his ability. I had "!eject #15" all typed in and ready to execute, but he said >he'd try...<g> He crashed out on lap 2, so maybe I should have kicked him as >soon as he made the comment... > >Eldred

Hmm.. another person also crashed after 2 laps. I talked to him afterwards what happened, and he said he crashed his car on purpose because he didn't intend to drive more than 2 laps. I still think we should password the races to make sure only serious people join. Andre

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Hmm.. another person also crashed after 2 laps. I talked to him > afterwards what happened, and he said he crashed his car on purpose > because he didn't intend to drive more than 2 laps. WTF, this guy has never heard of just pulling over and pressing Esc?!? What an idiot!

On 02 Jan 2002 15:18:19 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >And thank you to you and Jan(and whoever else was watching) for not clogging >the screen with chat during the race. I was a bit worried about that when you >both went out... I thought you might comiserate with each other...<g> > >Eldred Yeah sorry about that, I said one sentence to Jan but I forgot to whisper :-/ Needed to dig up the GPL manual to look up the whisper command after that :) Andre

Egots..... <licking wounds> I'd better get some seat time in If I'm not the next passenger in James Bond's Aston Martin. 2 DNF's on lap 1 in GP's within 3 days here. My 3 month absence seems to have made me wheel rusty..... Serious damage to my pride here. </still licking wounds> MS "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, Gary Stephenson<[email hidden]>

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> writes: > > >Eldred, > > > >I responded to Andre's post awhile back about passwording this race and > >I'm glad you didn't. Although I wanted very much to be part of this > >race, my efforts in practice made it clear to me that I do not belong on > >this track when it does not have "shift R" available.(As a courtesy to > >others!) I still want more than anything to do one of your GP's, so I > >hope you will continue to keep them on a first come basis. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Gary Stephenson > > When/if I ever host Monaco, that will be passworded. I also have concerns > about people who join, but don't realize it's a GP race. We had a guy > yesterday who called us "nuts" for running a full race. He seemed

surprised > that anyone would even TRY it. That had at least a couple of us nervousabout > his ability. I had "!eject #15" all typed in and ready to execute, but hesaid > he'd try...<g> He crashed out on lap 2, so maybe I should have kicked himas

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> soon as he made the comment... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 18:49:07 GMT, "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> Hmm.. another person also crashed after 2 laps. I talked to him >> afterwards what happened, and he said he crashed his car on purpose >> because he didn't intend to drive more than 2 laps. > >WTF, this guy has never heard of just pulling over and pressing Esc?!? What >an idiot! >

He -said- he crashed on purpose, but I seriously doubt that to be honest :) Anyway, the point I tried to make was that again spots were filled by people who did not intend to finish the race. Andre

Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes:

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> On 02 Jan 2002 18:07:33 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >his ability. I had "!eject #15" all typed in and ready to execute, > >but he said he'd try...<g> He crashed out on lap 2, so maybe I > >should have kicked him as soon as he made the comment... > > Hmm.. another person also crashed after 2 laps. I talked to him > afterwards what happened, and he said he crashed his car on purpose > because he didn't intend to drive more than 2 laps.

Eh, I crashed after 2 laps, but I did not talk to Andre after the race. Felt really bad about it after Eldred moved the race on my request. (Thanks, Eldred) Stupid mistake as usual. -- -asbjxrn

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >I assume it's common knowledge it's possible to chat on a 1-on-1 basis in >GPL? Yes, I know that. But in practice, it rarely seems to be used... :( I'm sure you and Andre would have had a couple of comments about my shoddy driving...especially when I spun in the 'hedge' section on the next to last lap...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Hmm.. another person also crashed after 2 laps. I talked to him >afterwards what happened, and he said he crashed his car on purpose >because he didn't intend to drive more than 2 laps. >I still think we should password the races to make sure only serious >people join. > >Andre

Crashed out on purpose? That sounds pretty dumb to me... I'm curious to know who that was. If you want to let me know who that was in private e-mail, that's fine. Six drivers dropped out(or crashed out) after 1 lap. Out of those, the only name I didn't know was Rolf Marggi(the others I know through leagues or previous GP races). Coincidentally(or not) he was the one who called us "nuts"... I was halfway glad when he exited. Maybe that's a bad attitude, but I thought the race would be 'safer' afterwards... As far as passwording, I'm split on this: a smaller group of drivers, increasing the chances of driving around by yourself, or a full field - with the risk of a yahoo joining... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>And one of the finishers includes Eldred himself, as usual I might add >>:) >>Congrats all, it was a great race. I was leading with a comfortable 35 >>second lead, but concentrating became harder and harder.. on lap 11 I >>made a silly mistake which costed me a wheel :( >>Really disappointed with that, I really wanted to finish this one.. >>but I only can blame myself :( >> >>Andre > > And thank you to you and Jan(and whoever else was watching) for not > clogging the screen with chat during the race. I was a bit worried > about that when you both went out... I thought you might comiserate > with each other...<g> > > Eldred

Yes, thanks guys. Now I realize that many people stayed there after retiring and watched the race and I feel really ashamed of my driving. I can only imagine what were private comments when I spun 3 times in a row in Metzgesfeld and started to take it at a speed of pedestrian afterward. My race was kind of typical for me. I damaged engine (or it got problem itself) and bent suspension during first 2 or 3 laps and spent the rest of the race overcoming problems I created myself. Congratulations to Tim for winning and my sincere thanks to Steve Brunt for bringing back my concentration by passing me and creating some tension in the closing stages of the race:) Alex.

In article <a0vsok$qe9$[email hidden]>, "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Egots..... > ><licking wounds> > >I'd better get some seat time in If I'm not the next passenger in James >Bond's Aston Martin. 2 DNF's on lap 1 in GP's within 3 days here. My 3 month >absence seems to have made me wheel rusty..... > >Serious damage to my pride here. > ></still licking wounds> > >MS

Was that YOU who called us nuts? Nah, I don't think so... I was referring to Rolf... *You*, I trust. *Him*, I didn't. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

From the records I read that you got at least one corner further than me ;-) On my side stupid mistake which sent me too close to this magnetic hedge down to Breitscheid. Rest is history. JensSchumi On 03 Jan 2002 00:17:29 +0100, [email hidden] (Asbj�rn Bj�rnstad) wrote: >Eh, I crashed after 2 laps, but I did not talk to Andre after the >race. > >Felt really bad about it after Eldred moved the race on my request. >(Thanks, Eldred) Stupid mistake as usual. --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://jensschumi.tripod.com/ GPLRank: -14.82 Monsters of GPL: sub 95

On 03 Jan 2002 01:23:24 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Yes, I know that. But in practice, it rarely seems to be used... :( >I'm sure you and Andre would have had a couple of comments about my shoddy >driving...especially when I spun in the 'hedge' section on the next to last >lap...<g> Everybody who was still in the race was making mistakes like that.. it's so damn hard to concentrate after more than 10 laps on the Ring.. Thank God I only have to drive 8 laps on the Ring in my league tonight.. piece of cake ;) Andre

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>Eldred >-- >Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPLRank - under construction... > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

First congrats to Tim for the win, and to all who finished the race. Mark Seery wrote:

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> > Egots..... > > <licking wounds> > > I'd better get some seat time in If I'm not the next passenger in James > Bond's Aston Martin. 2 DNF's on lap 1 in GP's within 3 days here. My 3 month > absence seems to have made me wheel rusty..... > > Serious damage to my pride here. > > </still licking wounds> > > MS

Same here Mark :) I had almost a year of absence with a short come back some 3 months ago. I fixed the lap times by now, improved my pb a bit, but the consistancy is still way off, especially on the Ring. I (in Ferrari) had a great start off gridspot 2, passing Jure completely in the clear before T1 (he was in Honda, which to me seems to be glued to the starting grid :)). After T1 my heart was starting to go crazy, with me thinking "oooooh shite" :)))))) But when Jure fell back tiny bit by tiny bit, my heart settled down again :) and the concentration really kicked in right away. I kept it at a 'somewhat safe' pace, but after Jure went out my lead was suddenly over 30 secs, and my concentration started to drop. That, combined with my consistancy not being what it was yet, made me starting to make little mistakes. I tried to regain my concentration, but that didn't work too well, and my last mistake, in lap 7, was a bit bigger :) -- René van Lobberegt, The Netherlands.

On 03 Jan 2002 01:23:24 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >As far as passwording, I'm split on this: a smaller group of drivers, >increasing the chances of driving around by yourself, or a full field - with >the risk of a yahoo joining... Create a passworded race, with a password like "FullGP" and put this in the comment. That way noone could claim he joined without knowing it's a full GP... Remco

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes:

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>On 03 Jan 2002 01:23:24 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>Yes, I know that. But in practice, it rarely seems to be used... :( >>I'm sure you and Andre would have had a couple of comments about my shoddy >>driving...especially when I spun in the 'hedge' section on the next to last >>lap...<g> > >Everybody who was still in the race was making mistakes like that.. >it's so damn hard to concentrate after more than 10 laps on the Ring.. >Thank God I only have to drive 8 laps on the Ring in my league >tonight.. piece of cake ;) > >Andre

I did 15 Saturday - Pro Race(well, 14 - I got lapped), 8 Sunday - Lites Race, then 15 Tuesday. I think I'm about DONE with the ring for a while...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Sounds like a good idea! "Remco Moedt" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:[email hidden]...

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> On 03 Jan 2002 01:23:24 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >As far as passwording, I'm split on this: a smaller group of drivers, > >increasing the chances of driving around by yourself, or a full field - with > >the risk of a yahoo joining... > > Create a passworded race, with a password like "FullGP" and put this > in the comment. That way noone could claim he joined without knowing > it's a full GP... > > Remco >

"Andre Warringa" wrote... > <snip> > Everybody who was still in the race was making mistakes > like that.. it's so damn hard to concentrate after more > than 10 laps on the Ring.. Thank God I only have to drive > 8 laps on the Ring in my league tonight.. piece of cake ;) Heh, very true. If there's one advantage to running in these GPs, it's the other distances suddenly start to seem puny in comparison. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:13:39 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Andre Warringa" wrote... >> <snip> >> Everybody who was still in the race was making mistakes >> like that.. it's so damn hard to concentrate after more >> than 10 laps on the Ring.. Thank God I only have to drive >> 8 laps on the Ring in my league tonight.. piece of cake ;) > >Heh, very true. If there's one advantage to running in these GPs, it's the >other distances suddenly start to seem puny in comparison.

Yep.. unless 1 or 2 morons don't know the KEEP DISTANCE rule during a Ring race..huge pileup crash, 8 people out after 10 seconds. Including me :( Andre >Jan. >=--- >"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) writes:

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> >On 03 Jan 2002 01:23:24 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>As far as passwording, I'm split on this: a smaller group of drivers, >>increasing the chances of driving around by yourself, or a full field - with >>the risk of a yahoo joining... > >Create a passworded race, with a password like "FullGP" and put this >in the comment. That way noone could claim he joined without knowing >it's a full GP... > >Remco

Hehe...good idea... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.