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Just pulled down my first few headers and saw no mention of it. Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks.

Not in itself, but racing games/sims/hardware for the XBOX are AFAIK. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "tjmc" wrote... > > Just pulled down my first few headers and saw no mention > of it. > > Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks.

On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:37:00 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"tjmc" wrote... >> Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks. >Not in itself, but racing games/sims/hardware for the XBOX are AFAIK. Great. My kids just bought an XBOX and EA Sports F1 2001. My question is for recommendations on the best steering wheel/pedal setup. We're really looking for the best to play both F1 and NASCAR. Have heard good things about Madcats MC2 Racing Wheel. Have any of you played with that wheel? Can you recommend it? What are other good brands? Thanks.

You could try it, but I've never seen any topics about it (or any console systems) in here. Mainly racing games played on the PC.. tjmc wrote: > > Just pulled down my first few headers and saw no mention of it. > > Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks.

Stick around for 6 months or so and I believe you'll see more and more XBox, PS2 and GameCube topics here. Face it, the consoles are catching up. Maybe one day we'll even see a console game that will merit the term "simulator". Not that I'm buying one any time soon. The only reason I can play games as much as I do is because I can do it without tying up the TV. If (god forbid) my wife ever needs to use the PC I may have to reconsider... "Mick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> You could try it, but I've never seen any topics about it (or any > console systems) in here. Mainly racing games played on the PC.. > > tjmc wrote: > > > > Just pulled down my first few headers and saw no mention of it. > > > > Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks.

What you do is take this into consideration now. It is acutally a GREAT excuse to get a new computer. The old AMD 1.4 that you got six months ago OBVIOUSLY can not supply enough power for your computer, so you will have to buy a complete new box for yourself, and give your wife the old computer. Lol, hope that this works for someone... -Stuart Becktell "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BrIY7.315$Qq1.4235@shaw-ty2... > Stick around for 6 months or so and I believe you'll see more and moreXBox, > PS2 and GameCube topics here. Face it, the consoles are catching up. Maybe > one day we'll even see a console game that will merit the term"simulator". > > Not that I'm buying one any time soon. The only reason I can play games as > much as I do is because I can do it without tying up the TV. If (godforbid)

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> my wife ever needs to use the PC I may have to reconsider... > > "Mick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > You could try it, but I've never seen any topics about it (or any > > console systems) in here. Mainly racing games played on the PC.. > > > > tjmc wrote: > > > > > > Just pulled down my first few headers and saw no mention of it. > > > > > > Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks. > >

Lol, you wanna convince her of that? Pretty accurate though - it was a 1.3 AMD and it was about 4 months ago. Unfortunately it was a completely new box, and I gave the old one to my parents (what was I thinking?!?). A new PC is therefore at least 2 more years in the future. First comes a bathroom reno, a new deck, and possibly a new car (to replace an aging Geo Tracker, yuck!). Why oh why did I buy a house? "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CQKY7.63424$[email hidden]... > What you do is take this into consideration now. It is acutally a GREAT > excuse to get a new computer. The old AMD 1.4 that you got six months ago > OBVIOUSLY can not supply enough power for your computer, so you will haveto

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> buy a complete new box for yourself, and give your wife the old computer. > Lol, hope that this works for someone... > -Stuart Becktell > "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BrIY7.315$Qq1.4235@shaw-ty2... > > Stick around for 6 months or so and I believe you'll see more and more > XBox, > > PS2 and GameCube topics here. Face it, the consoles are catching up.

Maybe > > one day we'll even see a console game that will merit the term > "simulator". > > > > Not that I'm buying one any time soon. The only reason I can play gamesas > > much as I do is because I can do it without tying up the TV. If (god > forbid) > > my wife ever needs to use the PC I may have to reconsider...

Because you can't sleep in your car :) Maybe that's why I bought a house instead of a new car. Rob Adams wrote: > > Why oh why did I buy a house? > -- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL) http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims) (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

"Jason Monds" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Because you can't sleep in your car :) Correction- you CAN sleep in your car, but you can't drive your house to Cancun. Unless you happen to be a motor coach-driving retiree, that is ;) Scott Moore The Pits Touring Car Championship http://www.theuspits.com

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>Maybe that's why I bought a > house instead of a new car. > > Rob Adams wrote: > > > > Why oh why did I buy a house? > > > -- > Jason Monds > http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (GPL) > http://www.scprc.com - Stock Car Division of the PRC. (N4, Fun Run Sims) > (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

I'm in the same boat as you. I have an Xbox, F1 2001, NASCAR Heat, and Project Gotham Racing. PGR I can almost play with the gamepad, and the ovals in Heat aren't too bad, but I cannot get used to F1 2001. (OTOH on the PC I still suck almost as badly even with a wheel ;o). The only wheels that I have seen so far are the one you mentioned, and a similar product from Thrustmaster. I haven't tried them, but I doubt that you would be disappointed in either one. Just bear in mind that even though they advertise force feedback, it is just rumble effects, not true FF. True FF MIGHT be on the way from a certain company starting with the letter L, but that's just an unofficial rumor and you didn't hear it from me. ;o) "tjmc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:37:00 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >"tjmc" wrote... > > >> Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks. > > >Not in itself, but racing games/sims/hardware for the XBOX are AFAIK. > > Great. My kids just bought an XBOX and EA Sports F1 2001. My

question > is for recommendations on the best steering wheel/pedal setup. > > We're really looking for the best to play both F1 and NASCAR. Have > heard good things about Madcats MC2 Racing Wheel. > > Have any of you played with that wheel? Can you recommend it? Whatare > other good brands? Thanks.

In case no one has mentioned it yet: ActLabs is most likely creating cartridge(s) to make ActLabs wheels compatible with XBox and PS2. The ActLabs wheels use cartridges that you can plug in to make compatible with different platforms. They already work with the PC, N64, Dreamcast, and Playstation. On the ActLabs message board an ActLabs employee said: "ACT LABS is committed to making our Racing Systems future proof. This has always been and always will be a cornerstone for our development. You will definitely see us in there with XBOX compatibility... Please be patient and wait for an official announcement." And there is this statment on the web page: "We do not currently offer a cartridge for the PlayStation 2 platform however one is in development but there is no set release date." see www.act-labs.com

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> > >"tjmc" wrote... > > > > >> Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks. > > > > >Not in itself, but racing games/sims/hardware for the XBOX are AFAIK. > > > > Great. My kids just bought an XBOX and EA Sports F1 2001. My > question > > is for recommendations on the best steering wheel/pedal setup. > > > > We're really looking for the best to play both F1 and NASCAR. Have > > heard good things about Madcats MC2 Racing Wheel. > > > > Have any of you played with that wheel? Can you recommend it? What > are > > other good brands? Thanks. >

have a question for you guys with the XBOX how does the graphic compares with PS2 and PC ?? I have seen the PS2 on analog TV and it is nothing to talk about , comparing to the PC. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm in the same boat as you. I have an Xbox, F12001, NASCAR Heat, and > Project Gotham Racing. PGR I can almost play withthe gamepad, and the > ovals in Heat aren't too bad, but I cannot get usedto F1 2001. (OTOH > on the PC I still suck almost as badly even with awheel ;o). The only > wheels that I have seen so far are the one youmentioned, and a similar > product from Thrustmaster. I haven't tried them, butI doubt that you > would be disappointed in either one. Just bear inmind that even though > they advertise force feedback, it is just rumbleeffects, not true FF. > True FF MIGHT be on the way from a certain companystarting with the > letter L, but that's just an unofficial rumor and youdidn't hear it > from me. ;o) > > > "tjmc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:37:00 +0100, "JanVerschueren"

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> > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >"tjmc" wrote... > > > > >> Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks. > > > > >Not in itself, but racing games/sims/hardware for

the XBOX are AFAIK. > > > > Great. My kids just bought an XBOX and EA SportsF1 2001. My > question > > is for recommendations on the best steeringwheel/pedal setup. > > > > We're really looking for the best to play both F1and NASCAR. Have > > heard good things about Madcats MC2 Racing Wheel. > > > > Have any of you played with that wheel? Can yourecommend it? What > are > > other good brands? Thanks. >

Xbox graphics, just like PC graphics, depend a great deal on how good of a job the developer did, but in the best cases (Dead or Alive 3, Halo) they are just so drop dead gorgeous that it's hard to believe you are looking at a 640x480 screen with no FSAA. That's right, none of the current developers are using FSAA even though the capability is built into the chipset, and all of the current games are rendered at 640x480 regardless of what mode your TV is in. But through careful choice of color palettes and clever use of real time lighting and pixel shaders to create various effects, the jaggies are just not that noticeable. Honestly the lighting is the best I have seen on any platform. Theoretically you could do the same thing with a GF3, but currently no games for the PC use the GF3's capabilities to the degree that the Xbox does. An Xbox on an HDTV would be the best graphics you can possibly get in home gaming right now, at least until the PC developers catch up. "John Metcow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> have a question for you guys with the XBOX > how does the graphic compares with PS2 and PC ?? > > > I have seen the PS2 on analog TV and it is nothing > to talk about , comparing to the PC. > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I'm in the same boat as you. I have an Xbox, F1 > 2001, NASCAR Heat, and > > Project Gotham Racing. PGR I can almost play with > the gamepad, and the > > ovals in Heat aren't too bad, but I cannot get used > to F1 2001. (OTOH > > on the PC I still suck almost as badly even with a > wheel ;o). The only > > wheels that I have seen so far are the one you > mentioned, and a similar > > product from Thrustmaster. I haven't tried them, but > I doubt that you > > would be disappointed in either one. Just bear in > mind that even though > > they advertise force feedback, it is just rumble > effects, not true FF. > > True FF MIGHT be on the way from a certain company > starting with the > > letter L, but that's just an unofficial rumor and you > didn't hear it > > from me. ;o) > > > > > > "tjmc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:37:00 +0100, "Jan > Verschueren" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >"tjmc" wrote... > > > > > > >> Is XBOX on topic here. Thanks. > > > > > > >Not in itself, but racing games/sims/hardware for > the XBOX are AFAIK. > > > > > > Great. My kids just bought an XBOX and EA Sports > F1 2001. My > > question > > > is for recommendations on the best steering > wheel/pedal setup. > > > > > > We're really looking for the best to play both F1 > and NASCAR. Have > > > heard good things about Madcats MC2 Racing Wheel. > > > > > > Have any of you played with that wheel? Can you > recommend it? What > > are > > > other good brands? Thanks. > > >

On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:02:04 +0800, "John Metcow" <[email hidden]> wrote: >have a question for you guys with the XBOX >how does the graphic compares with PS2 and PC ?? >I have seen the PS2 on analog TV and it is nothing >to talk about , comparing to the PC. I'm not a good judge regarding the comparison on a great PC. We've made a decision to go with the dedicated gamers for gaming rather than attempting to keep up with the ever increasing power requirements of PCs. I'm sure the XBOX will not be the final word on gaming. On the other hand it only cost 300 bucks. That's less than the cost of the great video cards alone not to mention whole new PC systems--processors, RAM, mobos...as the technologies move forward. We use our PCs for the Internet, word processing, money, photos...normal stuff. And to be honest, 400 MHz w/128 RAM is more than enough. (Hell, I'm typing this on a networked 166 MHz Pentium running Win98SE w/64M RAM.) And I won't even mention the headaches of drivers and devices one is forced to deal with every time Micro$oft comes out with its new operating system of the month. Regarding the comparison with PS2, we did our homework and found the graphics on XBOX to be overwhelmingly superior.

Oh GOD, screw the house, the car...food for a couple of months (comeon, BE A MAN, you can do it.) and get a NEW CAR....A Geo Tracker? Lol, just joking... -Stuart Becktell "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AVKY7.324$Qq1.4464@shaw-ty2...

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> Lol, you wanna convince her of that? Pretty accurate though - it was a 1.3 > AMD and it was about 4 months ago. Unfortunately it was a completely new > box, and I gave the old one to my parents (what was I thinking?!?). > > A new PC is therefore at least 2 more years in the future. First comes a > bathroom reno, a new deck, and possibly a new car (to replace an aging Geo > Tracker, yuck!). Why oh why did I buy a house? > > "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:CQKY7.63424$[email hidden]... > > What you do is take this into consideration now. It is acutally a GREAT > > excuse to get a new computer. The old AMD 1.4 that you got six months

ago > > OBVIOUSLY can not supply enough power for your computer, so you willhave > to > > buy a complete new box for yourself, and give your wife the oldcomputer.

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> > Lol, hope that this works for someone... > > -Stuart Becktell > > "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:BrIY7.315$Qq1.4235@shaw-ty2... > > > Stick around for 6 months or so and I believe you'll see more and more > > XBox, > > > PS2 and GameCube topics here. Face it, the consoles are catching up. > Maybe > > > one day we'll even see a console game that will merit the term > > "simulator". > > > > > > Not that I'm buying one any time soon. The only reason I can play

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> as > > > much as I do is because I can do it without tying up the TV. If (god > > forbid) > > > my wife ever needs to use the PC I may have to reconsider... > > >

In article <AVKY7.324$Qq1.4464@shaw-ty2>, "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> writes: >A new PC is therefore at least 2 more years in the future. First comes a >bathroom reno, a new deck, and possibly a new car (to replace an aging Geo >Tracker, yuck!). Why oh why did I buy a house? > I've been thinking the same thing...there's always SOMETHING around the house that needs fixing... :-( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Tell me about it! My Honda Civic made my wife car-sick so when we cut back to 1 car we kept the "Tractor". Lemme see: safety: 0/10 (soft top, roll over potential). Appearance: 2/10 (boxy little shit box of a jeep-wannabe). Handling: 2/10 (narrow track, super soft suspension, gutless engine). Reliability: 8 (so far it hasn't had any problems despite no real maintenance). Economy: 5/10 (aerodynamics of a brick, mileage sucks but at least the engine is small so it could be worse). Convenience: 2/10 (you can either carry 2 people and their luggage or 4 people but not both). Problem is, the new car will be another SUV of some kind, probably a Nissan XTerra. I'm doomed to drive lumbering trucks for the rest of my life. I just want another Honda (lovely, fun car!). "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vsXY7.64470$[email hidden]... > Oh GOD, screw the house, the car...food for a couple of months (comeon, BEA > MAN, you can do it.) and get a NEW CAR....A Geo Tracker? Lol, justjoking... > -Stuart Becktell > "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:AVKY7.324$Qq1.4464@shaw-ty2... > > Lol, you wanna convince her of that? Pretty accurate though - it was a1.3 > > AMD and it was about 4 months ago. Unfortunately it was a completely new > > box, and I gave the old one to my parents (what was I thinking?!?). > > > > A new PC is therefore at least 2 more years in the future. First comes a > > bathroom reno, a new deck, and possibly a new car (to replace an agingGeo > > Tracker, yuck!). Why oh why did I buy a house?

I didn't see the previous post, but from your description I figured this HAD to be a Suzuki Samuri. Isn't the Tracker based on Samuri, under GM's "GEO" program ? My boss of many years ago, in the early 1990's, had one of these dreadful Samuri's he gave us as a work truck. I couldn't deal with thing. I started using my own car and just ate the mileage. That Suzuki Samuri was, without a doubt, the nastiest, meanest, roughest, scariest, most dangerous vehicle I have ever driven. -Larry "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uH0Z7.419$Qq1.4516@shaw-ty2... > Tell me about it! My Honda Civic made my wife car-sick so when we cut back > to 1 car we kept the "Tractor". > > Lemme see: safety: 0/10 (soft top, roll over potential). Appearance: 2/10 > (boxy little shit box of a jeep-wannabe). Handling: 2/10 (narrow track, > super soft suspension, gutless engine). Reliability: 8 (so far it hasn'thad > any problems despite no real maintenance). Economy: 5/10 (aerodynamics ofa > brick, mileage sucks but at least the engine is small so it could beworse). > Convenience: 2/10 (you can either carry 2 people and their luggage or 4 > people but not both). > > Problem is, the new car will be another SUV of some kind, probably aNissan > XTerra. I'm doomed to drive lumbering trucks for the rest of my life. Ijust > want another Honda (lovely, fun car!). > > "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vsXY7.64470$[email hidden]... > > Oh GOD, screw the house, the car...food for a couple of months (comeon,BE

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> A > > MAN, you can do it.) and get a NEW CAR....A Geo Tracker? Lol, just > joking... > > -Stuart Becktell > > "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:AVKY7.324$Qq1.4464@shaw-ty2... > > > Lol, you wanna convince her of that? Pretty accurate though - it was a > 1.3 > > > AMD and it was about 4 months ago. Unfortunately it was a completely

new > > > box, and I gave the old one to my parents (what was I thinking?!?). > > > > > > A new PC is therefore at least 2 more years in the future. First comesa > > > bathroom reno, a new deck, and possibly a new car (to replace an aging > Geo > > > Tracker, yuck!). Why oh why did I buy a house? > > >

"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hN1Z7.32072$[email hidden]... > I didn't see the previous post, but from your description I figured thisHAD

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> to be a Suzuki Samuri. > > Isn't the Tracker based on Samuri, under GM's "GEO" program ? > > My boss of many years ago, in the early 1990's, had one of these dreadful > Samuri's he gave us as a work truck. > > I couldn't deal with thing. I started using my own car and just ate the > mileage. > > That Suzuki Samuri was, without a doubt, the nastiest, meanest, roughest, > scariest, most dangerous vehicle I have ever driven. > > -Larry

The Tracker is somewhat less dangerous than the Samurai. It's a bit wider and lower so has less tendency to roll. It's basically the same class of vehicle, just slightly improved to pass newer safety standards (that were probably developed to get Samurai's off the road!). I don't know the heritage of the thing. I didn't realize Suzuki was under the GM banner too. The Geo Tracker is also known as the Chevy Tracker and the Asuna SunRunner. As far as I can tell the basic car is the same, just the badging differs between models. The wheelbase is so short the poor rear seat passengers get bounced by every little bump. I think the reason the suspension is so soft is to keep the thing from bouncing right off the ground. Problem is, it makes it wander seriously in cross winds (or gusts from passing semis). I have ridden in a Samurai (a late-80's I think) and the Tracker is definitely less scary than the Samurai but not much. I do have to admit though, on moderate 4x4 terrain, the thing does OK. The short wheelbase and low power works well on bumpy or snowy roads. It just sucks on pavement. Oh, and the brakes are quite good. I've had to emergency stop a couple of times and it gets stopped in a straight line quite nicely.

> > Regarding the comparison with PS2, we did ourhomework and found the > graphics on XBOX to be overwhelmingly superior. > " overwhelmingly superior" hmm NOW that got me interested ! I will look forward to seeing a demo set.