What about GPL? - Newb

I've been a combat flight simulation nut for many many years (Jane's, Falcon 4, Flanker, Lock-On, etc), and tinker with driving sims from time to time. Although I admit I like the arcadish games like Need For Speed, I have tinkered with GTR for PC and Forza for XBOX and like the "realism" that has to be mastered. I've heard throughout the years about GPL (Grand-Prix Legends?) but never bothered much with it. Well, with as much fun as I've been having with Need For Speed Most Wanted, I'd like to see what this classic is all about. First of all, what to look for in a copy? I find many copies like this on eBay:

Sorry, somehow this sent before I was done, see below: "HockeyTownUSA" <magma at comcast dot net> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I've been a combat flight simulation nut for many many years (Jane's, > Falcon 4, Flanker, Lock-On, etc), and tinker with driving sims from time > to time. Although I admit I like the arcadish games like Need For Speed, I > have tinkered with GTR for PC and Forza for XBOX and like the "realism" > that has to be mastered. > > I've heard throughout the years about GPL (Grand-Prix Legends?) but never > bothered much with it. Well, with as much fun as I've been having with > Need For Speed Most Wanted, I'd like to see what this classic is all > about. > > First of all, what to look for in a copy? I find many copies like this on > eBay: >

http://tinyurl.com/bweph It says it requires a 486 66MHz or faster PC. Is this the right game? Has this thing lasted the test of time for that long? Has it been updated to look great on today's hardware? What makes this game so special? Thanks for anyone that can shed light on this.

hello there from comp.sys.ibm.pc.flight-sim yes the ebay one is the right one for everything else look here http://forum.racesimcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?f=36 or here (rec. autos. simulators) "HockeyTownUSA" <magma at comcast dot net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[email hidden]...

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> Sorry, somehow this sent before I was done, see below: > > "HockeyTownUSA" <magma at comcast dot net> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> I've been a combat flight simulation nut for many many years (Jane's, >> Falcon 4, Flanker, Lock-On, etc), and tinker with driving sims from time >> to time. Although I admit I like the arcadish games like Need For Speed, >> I have tinkered with GTR for PC and Forza for XBOX and like the "realism" >> that has to be mastered. >> >> I've heard throughout the years about GPL (Grand-Prix Legends?) but never >> bothered much with it. Well, with as much fun as I've been having with >> Need For Speed Most Wanted, I'd like to see what this classic is all >> about. >> >> First of all, what to look for in a copy? I find many copies like this on >> eBay: >> > http://tinyurl.com/bweph > > It says it requires a 486 66MHz or faster PC. Is this the right game? Has > this thing lasted the test of time for that long? Has it been updated to > look great on today's hardware? What makes this game so special? > > Thanks for anyone that can shed light on this. >

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> > Although I admit I like the arcadish games like Need For Speed, I > > have tinkered with GTR for PC and Forza for XBOX and like the "realism" > > that has to be mastered. > > > > I've heard throughout the years about GPL (Grand-Prix Legends?) but never > > bothered much with it. > > It says it requires a 486 66MHz or faster PC. Is this the right game? Has > this thing lasted the test of time for that long?

Yeas and yes. > Has it been updated to > look great on today's hardware? Yes, but the updates are from the fans, not the company. Google "GPL links" and have fun. > What makes this game so special? It was the first sim to have really good physics, modeling each wheel individually. It is hugely challenging. You can always get better and there is always someone out there better than you. There's a vast array of fan programmed add-ons, cars, tracks, telemetry, etc. etc. There's a lot of online racing (still). The cars are a hoot, 400 HP and narrow low traction tires. The tracks are classics. Your opponents are people like Jimmy Clark, Graham Hill, and John Surtees. All that said, I and others have dumped it for new sims with better physics. The four top ones are GTR/GTL, rFactor, and Richard Burns Rally. GPL has a few quirks. The cars don't respond to setup changes very precisely, and the best setups are so low that the cars are riding on the bump stops; essentially they're go-carts. That works because the cars/tracks don't model bumps all that well. The fastest laps involve sawing the wheel back and forth very fast (which would not work in a real car) and some people go faster with a joystick. But I'll always have great fondness for it. How many sims are good for 5 years?

hi, i have the original boxed copy and it says minimum spec pc should be pentium 166 with 32mb of mem and gfx card with 2mb of mem !! to get the best i say at least 1 gig cpu with 512 mem and 64/128 gfx. the last patches for the game introduced direct 3d support which allowed everybody to upgrade their pc without having to keep their 3dfx card. also force feedback came in with the second(?) patch and the final patch also removed the cd protection. go here..... http://www.bhmotorsports.com/GPL/downloads/3239 and download the 2004 demo which features updated cars and a updated watkins glen circuit. the tracks featured are fantastic(especially zandvoort,nurburgring and spa) and now with 1965 and 69 mods the passion still doesnt look like fading just yet. probably the greatest sim released which still after all these years can give the latest sims a run for there money. enjoy demo,buy full game and rejoice in the fact that gpl is alive and well. Tango

> cd protection I don't think GPL ever had it, once you installed it, it never looked for a cd rom again. > http://www.bhmotorsports.com/GPL/downloads/3239 > > and download the 2004 demo which features updated cars and a updated > watkins glen circuit. If you download this demo, then all you need to do when you buy the cd-rom is to copy the tracks to the demo directory, and you're ready to go. There are also a lot of additional download tracks. Regarding the lack of repsonse to setups, you're dealing with 400hp, 1300lb, non-downforce cars, and bias ply racing tires that had very large working slip angles so the setups just don't make that much difference when acceleration is so close to conering acceleration at moderate speeds. The low ride heights are nothing compared to what works with downforce cars that can really take advantage of it, like side skirts that ride on the ground (now banned). The front wings in modern F1 cars were recently raised upwards a bit, but the manufactures just put deflectors on the nose section to regain the downforce lost from the higher front wing. Regarding bump stops, unlike Champ and IRL cars which use under body tunneling, F1 cars use flat skidboards, and the term "skidboard" is an appropriate description (reduces the cool looking sparks though).

hi, yeah it did have cd protection but everybody used the nocd patch which even worked for racing online !! Tango

"Jeff Reid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:F8Nsf.37$B93.24@fed1read07... >> cd protection > > I don't think GPL ever had it, once you installed it, it never looked > for a cd rom again. US version didn't have it. UK and german versions had it. -- Mika Takala

>"Jeff Reid" <[email hidden]> wrote > If you download this demo, then all you need to do when you buy the > cd-rom is to copy the tracks to the demo directory, and you're ready > to go. There are also a lot of additional download tracks. All simulators by Papyrus always let you install them without the CD-Rom or installation disk needed anymore. Goes back to Icr1... even Indy500 (well it did have those fun indy history questions at the start eh). They always had a good sense of structure in their files, basically it stayed the same through their history. Simple directories, uncompressed .dat files keeping all things structured, etc... Anyway GPL is like the Falcon 4 of racing sims. People still fly it, there are more beautiful flight sims. Same goes in the simracing world. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> I've been a combat flight simulation nut for many many years (Jane's, Falcon > 4, Flanker, Lock-On, etc), and tinker with driving sims from time to time. > Although I admit I like the arcadish games like Need For Speed, I have > tinkered with GTR for PC and Forza for XBOX and like the "realism" that has > to be mastered. > > I've heard throughout the years about GPL (Grand-Prix Legends?) but never > bothered much with it. Well, with as much fun as I've been having with Need > For Speed Most Wanted, I'd like to see what this classic is all about. > > First of all, what to look for in a copy? I find many copies like this on > eBay: > >

I used to fly IL2 and PF in the Hyperlobby for a long time. Then a few guys from my squad and I did some online racing with GTR. Then I tried GPL (2004 demo) and found it rather difficult. A few weeks ago I downloaded the GPL69 mod. Now the cars feel more like a F1 car and are easier to drive. But I have to practice a lot to race online. With the latest graphics updates for the tracks, it looks almost like a new sim. I like it more than GTR. Michael

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> hi, > i have the original boxed copy and it says minimum spec pc should be > pentium 166 with 32mb of mem and gfx card with 2mb of mem !! to get the > best i say at least 1 gig cpu with 512 mem and 64/128 gfx. the last > patches for the game introduced direct 3d support which allowed > everybody to upgrade their pc without having to keep their 3dfx card. > also force feedback came in with the second(?) patch and the final patch > also removed the cd protection. go here..... > http://www.bhmotorsports.com/GPL/downloads/3239 > > and download the 2004 demo which features updated cars and a updated > watkins glen circuit. the tracks featured are fantastic(especially > zandvoort,nurburgring and spa) and now with 1965 and 69 mods the passion > still doesnt look like fading just yet. probably the greatest sim > released which still after all these years can give the latest sims a > run for there money. > enjoy demo,buy full game and rejoice in the fact that gpl is alive and > well. > Tango

Thanks - I don't have a problem with the PC, just curious since specs were so low. I actually have a "retro" PC with a 3Dfx Voodoo 4500 graphics card in it for older glide games (like Red Baron 3D, Jane's Longbow 2, Jane's F-15, Descent II). While I don't play those much any more, there's always that itch to do so, and I can have one hell of a time trying to get those older games working right in Windows XP with current hardware.

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> > > I actually have a "retro" PC with a 3Dfx Voodoo 4500 graphics card in it for > older glide games (like Red Baron 3D, Jane's Longbow 2, Jane's F-15, Descent > II). While I don't play those much any more, there's always that itch to do > so, and I can have one hell of a time trying to get those older games > working right in Windows XP with current hardware. > > >

That shouldn't be a problem with GPL. It works fine on new hardware with XP. -- Yippee38

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> > "Tango" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > hi, > > i have the original boxed copy and it says minimum spec pc should be > > pentium 166 with 32mb of mem and gfx card with 2mb of mem !! to get the > > best i say at least 1 gig cpu with 512 mem and 64/128 gfx. the last > > patches for the game introduced direct 3d support which allowed > > everybody to upgrade their pc without having to keep their 3dfx card. > > also force feedback came in with the second(?) patch and the final patch > > also removed the cd protection. go here..... > > http://www.bhmotorsports.com/GPL/downloads/3239 > > > > and download the 2004 demo which features updated cars and a updated > > watkins glen circuit. the tracks featured are fantastic(especially > > zandvoort,nurburgring and spa) and now with 1965 and 69 mods the passion > > still doesnt look like fading just yet. probably the greatest sim > > released which still after all these years can give the latest sims a > > run for there money. > > enjoy demo,buy full game and rejoice in the fact that gpl is alive and > > well. > > Tango > > Thanks - I don't have a problem with the PC, just curious since specs were > so low. > > I actually have a "retro" PC with a 3Dfx Voodoo 4500 graphics card in it for > older glide games (like Red Baron 3D, Jane's Longbow 2, Jane's F-15, Descent > II). While I don't play those much any more, there's always that itch to do > so, and I can have one hell of a time trying to get those older games > working right in Windows XP with current hardware. > > >

Also, not sure of your cpu but there was a cpufix for GPL which was required to remove timing errors once your processor speed got above something like 1.3Mhz -- Pete Ives Remove All_stRESS before sending me an email

> Also, not sure of your cpu but there was a cpufix for GPL which was > required to remove timing errors once your processor speed got above > something like 1.3Mhz CPU fix is included in the "2004 demo".

"HockeyTownUSA" <magma at comcast dot net> writes:

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> Sorry, somehow this sent before I was done, see below: > > "HockeyTownUSA" <magma at comcast dot net> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I've been a combat flight simulation nut for many many years (Jane's, > > Falcon 4, Flanker, Lock-On, etc), and tinker with driving sims from time > > to time. Although I admit I like the arcadish games like Need For Speed, I > > have tinkered with GTR for PC and Forza for XBOX and like the "realism" > > that has to be mastered. > > > > I've heard throughout the years about GPL (Grand-Prix Legends?) but never > > bothered much with it. Well, with as much fun as I've been having with > > Need For Speed Most Wanted, I'd like to see what this classic is all > > about. > > > > First of all, what to look for in a copy? I find many copies like this on > > eBay: > > > http://tinyurl.com/bweph > > It says it requires a 486 66MHz or faster PC. Is this the right game? Has > this thing lasted the test of time for that long? Has it been updated to > look great on today's hardware? What makes this game so special? > > Thanks for anyone that can shed light on this.

It really takes nothing more than a slow old PC like that to do some amazing online racing. It's very hard to learn to drive fast, but rewarding! Download the demo try it out. It has some flaws (low ride heights e.g. mostly solved in newest version), but it's still very fun to drive. /andreas -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

IF you search for a post from me, about a week before Xmas, you will find a guide that will walk you through updating the "original" gpl install, to a pretty damn nice looking sim, IF YOU HAVE enough GFX horsepower... http://adc.speedgeezers.com/gplhtml/GPLInstallAnd65Mod this website has info on original game install and updating the gfx, then and installing the 65 cars (less HP and some handling tweaks, you will like it much more than the 67 cars the orignal game is based on) also see this link http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=236138 They did come out with the 69mod, and there was another "guide (which by now might be at same site?) which was, I guess the 1st year cars had wings on all mfg's? pretty dam good mod, even can run without wings it drives better again than the 67 originals. The origianal was known to have a couple shortcomings with physics, but since it had been several years since it was released and many had spent hours, well the "mod" community prety much agreed to leave the original install physics alone totally, but as I said in the 2 mods that are out, they tweaked this problem (as I refer to it) the cars dont feel quite as much like they are on ice. There is a DEMO that came out, I think was GPL2003demo? this is the one you need to download anyhow to see if you like it, not the original demo (unless you find you are nostalgic, heheee) (((Ok I found it, and repost my post inside here)))) Best dang guide maybe the only one, but by god has links to the files they talk about (BIG!!! plus) Half the time I find a page with help, by the time I find the file I have closed the browser with the guides (not just GPL stuff but damn near all projects) and by the time you find all the files you cant find the "how to" again... Book mark this page. Fixed me up FINALLY. http://adc.speedgeezers.com/gplhtml/GPLInstallAnd65Mod THANKYOU THANK you! Tango enlightened us with: > hi, > yeah it did have cd protection but everybody used the nocd patch > which even worked for racing online !! Im not sure, but I think That is NOT true, however one of the updates, takes care or gets rid of the need for the CDrom to be in the drive. > Tango

Hocky, your own description, you just might not like GPL, unless you feel you have the patience to get good. Dont feel bad, I have come to accept that I am not good, out of something like shit I dont know I guess of 7381 drivers at GTLrank http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de Im like 5486th fastest... well I havent counted, there are people rated negative (faser than the baseline fast) lol. but I enjoy running around the track. You might also... But if I had one NEW and capable game machine, Id get GTlegends, right now it is absolutely fun. But I admit I split my 4 hours a week I get to race, between GPL69mod, GTLegends, HockeyTownUSA enlightened us with:

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> I've been a combat flight simulation nut for many many years (Jane's, > Falcon 4, Flanker, Lock-On, etc), and tinker with driving sims from > time to time. Although I admit I like the arcadish games like Need > For Speed, I have tinkered with GTR for PC and Forza for XBOX and > like the "realism" that has to be mastered. > > I've heard throughout the years about GPL (Grand-Prix Legends?) but > never bothered much with it. Well, with as much fun as I've been > having with Need For Speed Most Wanted, I'd like to see what this > classic is all about. > First of all, what to look for in a copy? I find many copies like > this on eBay:

Does it replace the 98' wood tire model? I dont recall if it was Oak or Pine tires, though it felt hardwoodish coming over Flatz so I'd say Oak ;) Mitch "PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:m_btf.35904$Mi5.26703@dukeread07...

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> > IF you search for a post from me, about a week before Xmas, you will find > a guide that will walk you through updating the "original" gpl install, to > a pretty damn nice looking sim, IF YOU HAVE enough GFX horsepower... > http://adc.speedgeezers.com/gplhtml/GPLInstallAnd65Mod this website has > info on original game install and updating the gfx, then and installing > the 65 cars (less HP and some handling tweaks, you will like it much more > than the 67 cars the orignal game is based on) > > also see this link http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=236138 > > > They did come out with the 69mod, and there was another "guide (which by > now might be at same site?) which was, I guess the 1st year cars had wings > on all mfg's? pretty dam good mod, even can run without wings it drives > better again than the 67 originals. The origianal was known to have a > couple shortcomings with physics, but since it had been several years > since it was released and many had spent hours, well the "mod" community > prety much agreed to leave the original install physics alone totally, but > as I said in the 2 mods that are out, they tweaked this problem (as I > refer to it) the cars dont feel quite as much like they are on ice. > > There is a DEMO that came out, I think was GPL2003demo? this is the one > you need to download anyhow to see if you like it, not the original demo > (unless you find you are nostalgic, heheee) > > (((Ok I found it, and repost my post inside here)))) > > Best dang guide maybe the only one, but by god has links to the files they > talk about (BIG!!! plus) Half the time I find a page with help, by the > time I find the file I have closed the browser with the guides (not just > GPL stuff but damn near all projects) and by the time you find all the > files you cant find the "how to" again... > > Book mark this page. Fixed me up FINALLY. > > >

"PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:r8ctf.35905$Mi5.6612@dukeread07...

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> Hocky, > > your own description, you just might not like GPL, unless you feel you > have the patience to get good. Dont feel bad, I have come to accept that > I am not good, out of something like shit I dont know I guess of 7381 > drivers at GTLrank http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de Im like 5486th fastest... > well I havent counted, there are people rated negative (faser than the > baseline fast) lol. but I enjoy running around the track. You might > also... > > But if I had one NEW and capable game machine, Id get GTlegends, right now > it is absolutely fun. But I admit I split my 4 hours a week I get to > race, between GPL69mod, GTLegends, > > HockeyTownUSA enlightened us with: >> I've been a combat flight simulation nut for many many years (Jane's, >> Falcon 4, Flanker, Lock-On, etc), and tinker with driving sims from >> time to time. Although I admit I like the arcadish games like Need >> For Speed, I have tinkered with GTR for PC and Forza for XBOX and >> like the "realism" that has to be mastered. >> >> I've heard throughout the years about GPL (Grand-Prix Legends?) but >> never bothered much with it. Well, with as much fun as I've been >> having with Need For Speed Most Wanted, I'd like to see what this >> classic is all about. >> First of all, what to look for in a copy? I find many copies like >> this on eBay: > >

Thanks. I have the patience, as I've been involved in the flight simulation community for some time, and believe me patience is a definite requirement. I am considering GT Legends right now. Will try the demo and see how I fare.

Email me or add me to Yahoo messenger if you eve need to (stingre) at yahoo remove braces.. GTL takes a semi hefty machine, I have an EARLY 2.4 ghz machine (sub 500mhz bus stuff) with Geforce 6600GT (128 meg version though) and it is staggering how much the framerates are at low end (17) with the whole game, the DEMO was flawless but was one track and about 6 cars... one "challenge" in career is 24 other AI cars... it can be a bit slow. GPL is winning mor eof my time as of late since I typed my last message I reflected, I havent completed a challenge race in 2 weeks yet, because of GPL right now, trying to get the hang of Nuremburg (spelling im sure is off)... Im only 10 minutes per lap slower than the "standard" time LOL HockeyTownUSA enlightened us with:

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> "PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:r8ctf.35905$Mi5.6612@dukeread07... >> Hocky, >> >> your own description, you just might not like GPL, unless you feel >> you have the patience to get good. Dont feel bad, I have come to >> accept that I am not good, out of something like shit I dont know I >> guess of 7381 drivers at GTLrank http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de Im >> like 5486th fastest... well I havent counted, there are people rated >> negative (faser than the baseline fast) lol. but I enjoy running >> around the track. You might also... >> >> But if I had one NEW and capable game machine, Id get GTlegends, >> right now it is absolutely fun. But I admit I split my 4 hours a >> week I get to race, between GPL69mod, GTLegends, >> >> HockeyTownUSA enlightened us with: >>> I've been a combat flight simulation nut for many many years >>> (Jane's, Falcon 4, Flanker, Lock-On, etc), and tinker with driving >>> sims from time to time. Although I admit I like the arcadish games >>> like Need For Speed, I have tinkered with GTR for PC and Forza for >>> XBOX and like the "realism" that has to be mastered. >>> >>> I've heard throughout the years about GPL (Grand-Prix Legends?) but >>> never bothered much with it. Well, with as much fun as I've been >>> having with Need For Speed Most Wanted, I'd like to see what this >>> classic is all about. >>> First of all, what to look for in a copy? I find many copies like >>> this on eBay: >> >> > > Thanks. > > I have the patience, as I've been involved in the flight simulation > community for some time, and believe me patience is a definite > requirement. > I am considering GT Legends right now. Will try the demo and see how > I fare.

you would think as screwy as my post read I would be on the same page as you Mitch, but I AINT. what are you on about? Mitch_A wrote:

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> Does it replace the 98' wood tire model? I dont recall if it was Oak > or Pine tires, though it felt hardwoodish coming over Flatz so I'd > say Oak ;) > Mitch > > > "PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:m_btf.35904$Mi5.26703@dukeread07... >> >> IF you search for a post from me, about a week before Xmas, you will >> find a guide that will walk you through updating the "original" gpl >> install, to a pretty damn nice looking sim, IF YOU HAVE enough GFX >> horsepower... http://adc.speedgeezers.com/gplhtml/GPLInstallAnd65Mod >> this website has info on original game install and updating the gfx, >> then and installing the 65 cars (less HP and some handling tweaks, >> you will like it much more than the 67 cars the orignal game is >> based on) also see this link >> http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=236138 >> >> >> They did come out with the 69mod, and there was another "guide >> (which by now might be at same site?) which was, I guess the 1st >> year cars had wings on all mfg's? pretty dam good mod, even can run >> without wings it drives better again than the 67 originals. The >> origianal was known to have a couple shortcomings with physics, but >> since it had been several years since it was released and many had >> spent hours, well the "mod" community prety much agreed to leave the >> original install physics alone totally, but as I said in the 2 mods >> that are out, they tweaked this problem (as I refer to it) the cars >> dont feel quite as much like they are on ice. There is a DEMO that came >> out, I think was GPL2003demo? this is the >> one you need to download anyhow to see if you like it, not the >> original demo (unless you find you are nostalgic, heheee) >> >> (((Ok I found it, and repost my post inside here)))) >> >> Best dang guide maybe the only one, but by god has links to the >> files they talk about (BIG!!! plus) Half the time I find a page with >> help, by the time I find the file I have closed the browser with the >> guides (not just GPL stuff but damn near all projects) and by the >> time you find all the files you cant find the "how to" again... >> >> Book mark this page. Fixed me up FINALLY.

Ignore it. As I proved once again, humor just isnt my thing ;) Mitch "Sting32" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:w3Btf.60156$[email hidden]... > you would think as screwy as my post read I would be on the same page as > you Mitch, but I AINT. what are you on about?

actually, I was ribbing you, I would have to say Pine, IMHO... <grin> Mitch_A enlightened us with:

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> Ignore it. As I proved once again, humor just isnt my thing ;) > > Mitch > > "Sting32" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:w3Btf.60156$[email hidden]... >> you would think as screwy as my post read I would be on the same >> page as you Mitch, but I AINT. what are you on about?

"PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rRgtf.70419$sg5.12447@dukeread12...

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> Email me or add me to Yahoo messenger if you eve need to (stingre) at > yahoo > remove braces.. > > GTL takes a semi hefty machine, I have an EARLY 2.4 ghz machine (sub > 500mhz bus stuff) with Geforce 6600GT (128 meg version though) and it is > staggering how much the framerates are at low end (17) with the whole > game, the DEMO was flawless but was one track and about 6 cars... one > "challenge" in career is 24 other AI cars... it can be a bit slow. > > GPL is winning mor eof my time as of late since I typed my last message I > reflected, I havent completed a challenge race in 2 weeks yet, because of > GPL right now, trying to get the hang of Nuremburg (spelling im sure is > off)... Im only 10 minutes per lap slower than the "standard" time LOL >

Thanks for that. Had no time yet to try demo, but will be sure to at the next chance I get.