I'm poo at Spa and I need help..pleeeease!

I'd really appreciate some advice, or, even better, a critique of my replay if anyone wants a laugh. My pb is a 3:22.91 in the Eagle and I know I'm at least 3 secs off the pace. But I'm not sure where I'm losing time. I manage to get through Masta (no, no braking!) at around 165mph. I know the quick guys are at 170mph+; I guess that needs practice and some more nerves! I don't brake for Stavelot either, but I've always struggled with the braking point (please don't tell me I shouldn't be braking!) and line for La Carriere. These are just off the top of my head. I'm not for one second suggesting these might be my only weak corners. Any tips would be greatly received. Like I say, I'm happy to send anyone my replay. Cheers, Jonesy Remove 'ANTISPAM' when replying. "Movement is Tranquillity" - Stirling Moss GPLRank (F1): 19.75 Monster handicap: 571.8

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> I'd really appreciate some advice, or, even better, a critique > of my replay if anyone wants a laugh. > > My pb is a 3:22.91 in the Eagle and I know I'm at least 3 secs > off the pace. <snip> > Any tips would be greatly received. Like I say, I'm happy to > send anyone my replay.

Ok, let's have a look at your antics, the antispam in my return address shouldn't be too hard to decipher. I'm not that much quicker, but perhaps I can be of assistance. For me the gap betweem 3m23.01s and my current PB of 3m20.44s (I'm hoping this lap is included in the boxing day Spa GP replay as I forgot to save mine as I exited) was bridged at Eau Rouge (line change + driving it in 4th instead of 3rd gear), Burnenville (line change) and the two right handers at La Carriere (earlier turn-in at first RH, earlier braking point and better technique at 2nd). As a side note I do tend to left-foot tap the brake at Stavelot instead of just coasting/scrubbing. I take the first part slightly too hot in 5th and tap the brake as I downshift tyo 4th so as to keep the car low in the turn, hopefully resulting in getting back on the power as hard and as early as possible. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

In article <Zl2Z7.9863$[email hidden]>, "Jonesy" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I'd really appreciate some advice, or, even better, a critique of my replay >if anyone wants a laugh. > >My pb is a 3:22.91 in the Eagle and I know I'm at least 3 secs off the pace. >But I'm not sure where I'm losing time. > >I manage to get through Masta (no, no braking!) at around 165mph. I know >the quick guys are at 170mph+; I guess that needs practice and some more >nerves! I don't brake for Stavelot either, but I've always struggled with >the braking point (please don't tell me I shouldn't be braking!) and line >for La Carriere.

Interesting. I can get through Masta at 170-175(Lotus), but my PB is only 3:22.2x... My 5-10mph advantage at that one corner must be eaten up on the rest of the lap. I can get through the first right-hander at La Carriere without braking, but I'd think you'd *have* to brake(a bit) at the second right-hander. >These are just off the top of my head. I'm not for one second suggesting >these might be my only weak corners. > Most of my time loss is in Stavelot(well, at least a second). I *know* this, but I simply canNOT maintain the same speed that others do. If I try to hold that speed, I'm in the wall(or hedges). Please send me your lap. I'm curious to see how our speeds match up. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Jan, Thanks for your tips. After changing the gearing on the Eagle a little, using 4th for Eau Rouge and a line change for La Carriere (thanks for the ideas!), I've improved my pb to a 3:20.40, just off the Papy Benchmark. I'd hoped I'd be nearer Eldred on GPLRank, but the little tinker is going for it in the Lotus and I'm still slower! He is older than me, though....<g> Jonesy Remove 'ANTISPAM' when replying. "Movement is Tranquillity" - Stirling Moss GPLRank (F1): 17.24 Monster handicap: 565.15 "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Jonesy" wrote... > > I'd really appreciate some advice, or, even better, a critique > > of my replay if anyone wants a laugh. > > > > My pb is a 3:22.91 in the Eagle and I know I'm at least 3 secs > > off the pace. <snip> > > Any tips would be greatly received. Like I say, I'm happy to > > send anyone my replay. > > Ok, let's have a look at your antics, the antispam in my return address > shouldn't be too hard to decipher. I'm not that much quicker, but perhaps

I > can be of assistance. > > For me the gap betweem 3m23.01s and my current PB of 3m20.44s (I'm hoping > this lap is included in the boxing day Spa GP replay as I forgot to save > mine as I exited) was bridged at Eau Rouge (line change + driving it in4th > instead of 3rd gear), Burnenville (line change) and the two right handersat > La Carriere (earlier turn-in at first RH, earlier braking point and better > technique at 2nd). As a side note I do tend to left-foot tap the brake at > Stavelot instead of just coasting/scrubbing. I take the first partslightly

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> too hot in 5th and tap the brake as I downshift tyo 4th so as to keep the > car low in the turn, hopefully resulting in getting back on the power as > hard and as early as possible. > > Jan. > =--- > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > > > >

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> Jan, > > Thanks for your tips. After changing the gearing on the Eagle > a little, using 4th for Eau Rouge and a line change for La > Carriere (thanks for the ideas!), I've improved my pb to a > 3:20.40, just off the Papy Benchmark. > > I'd hoped I'd be nearer Eldred on GPLRank, but the little > tinker is going for it in the Lotus and I'm still slower! > He is older than me, though....<g>

Ouch.... I just sent you a 730kb message intending to get you down into that time range. Oh well.... perhaps it'll show you a finer point somewhere. Happy downloading!! ;-)) Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

And congrats!! Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

In article <co%Z7.7702$[email hidden]>, "Jonesy" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Jan, > >Thanks for your tips. After changing the gearing on the Eagle a little, >using 4th for Eau Rouge and a line change for La Carriere (thanks for the >ideas!), I've improved my pb to a 3:20.40, just off the Papy Benchmark. > >I'd hoped I'd be nearer Eldred on GPLRank, but the little tinker is going >for it in the Lotus and I'm still slower! He is older than me, >though....<g> > >Jonesy

Heyy! :-) It sounds like you at least know a bit about tweaking setups. That puts you ahead of me on the skill tree. I'm driving the Lotus more simply because I'm using it in TWO leagues. I had previously driven only the Ferrari and Cooper. The Lotus has the potential to cause me problems because of its 'twitchy' nature. I had reservations before choosing it, but so far it's worked out ok. I set my Spa PB of 3:20.08 in Qual for a race Saturday morning - and was STILL back in 7th on the grid... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 07 Jan 2002 01:00:03 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > choosing it, but so far it's worked out ok. I set my Spa PBof 3:20.08 in Qual > for a race Saturday morning - and was STILL back in 7th on the grid... > > Eldred well yeah, welcome to the Screamers, Eldred! ;-) cheers, Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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>On 07 Jan 2002 01:00:03 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> choosing it, but so far it's worked out ok. I set my Spa PB >of 3:20.08 in Qual > for a race Saturday morning - and was >STILL back in 7th on the grid... > > Eldred > >well yeah, welcome to the Screamers, Eldred! ;-) > >cheers,

Thanks, Hoover...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Uwe Schuerkamp > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >On 07 Jan 2002 01:00:03 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > >> choosing it, but so far it's worked out ok. I set my Spa PB > >of 3:20.08 in Qual > for a race Saturday morning - and was > >STILL back in 7th on the grid... > > Eldred > > > >well yeah, welcome to the Screamers, Eldred! ;-) > > > >cheers, > > Thanks, Hoover...<g>

That's better than my PB. I wonder what I am doing wrong. -- -asbjxrn

> Heyy! :-) > It sounds like you at least know a bit about tweaking setups. That putsyou > ahead of me on the skill tree. > I'm driving the Lotus more simply because I'm using it in TWO leagues. Ihad > previously driven only the Ferrari and Cooper. The Lotus has thepotential to > cause me problems because of its 'twitchy' nature. I had reservationsbefore > choosing it, but so far it's worked out ok. I set my Spa PB of 3:20.08 inQual > for a race Saturday morning - and was STILL back in 7th on the grid... > > Eldred Eldred, my setup tweaking skills, in the instance as an example, are limited to using Chris Moses' Spa setup (all my setups are based on his) with Gregor's gear ratios. I'm a long way off from tinkering with suspension on the fly! <g>

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>> >> choosing it, but so far it's worked out ok. I set my Spa PB >> >of 3:20.08 in Qual > for a race Saturday morning - and was >> >STILL back in 7th on the grid... > > Eldred >> > >> >well yeah, welcome to the Screamers, Eldred! ;-) >> > >> >cheers, >> >> Thanks, Hoover...<g> > >That's better than my PB. I wonder what I am doing wrong.

You're KIDDING?!? Ok, so I have you beat at 1 out of 11. You'll get the one track long before I get the other TEN...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.