Opinions of Thrustmaster Ferrari FF Wheel???

My MSFF wheel died and I'm thinking about replacing it with the Thrustmaster Ferrari FF wheel...any opinions would be greatly appreciated. My big concern is how cheesy the pedals look compared to those of the MSFF. My primary use is for N4.... Thanks... Dave

IMHO, I'd go for another MSFFW (USB). I don't know what died on yours, but it's the first I've ever heard of one actually dying. Both of mine are 2 years old and have been beat to hell, and they still work perfectly. -Larry "Dave St.Onge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IUkZ7.123$[email hidden]... > My MSFF wheel died and I'm thinking about replacing it with theThrustmaster

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> Ferrari FF wheel...any opinions would be greatly appreciated. My big > concern is how cheesy the pedals look compared to those of the MSFF. My > primary use is for N4.... > > Thanks... > > Dave > >

Oh yeah, I believe the one that's available where I live has the silver coloured pedals, so I think it's the older model... Dave "Dave St.Onge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IUkZ7.123$[email hidden]... > My MSFF wheel died and I'm thinking about replacing it with theThrustmaster

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> Ferrari FF wheel...any opinions would be greatly appreciated. My big > concern is how cheesy the pedals look compared to those of the MSFF. My > primary use is for N4.... > > Thanks... > > Dave > >

I've got that and the pedals are "ok", I think all the retail wheels have crap pedals but at least the silver ones don't go down into the base like a plunger (apparently the new ones do). I've heard people talk about the silver plastic of the pedals breaking but they must be 500lb gorilla's playing Carmogeddon, they're fine for "normal" use. Same thing for the on-wheel shift paddles. According to http://www.slottweak.com/ the new wheel is better but the pedals are worse. The wheel itself is good but their software and drivers are crap. I've got the 2.11 version of their drivers and I have to re-calibrate the wheel every boot (minor pain), they've got software that allows you to reprogram the buttons (for chat etc..) but it types at 1 character every 5 seconds and crashes my GPL. The new drivers (3.08) have moved the control that lets you have separate pedal axis out of the control panel (where it logically belongs) into their button mapping software even if you don't run that software you have to install it in order to get separate pedals. Everybody will tell you to buy what they've got to help validate their choice. "Dave St.Onge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wylZ7.134$[email hidden]...

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> Oh yeah, I believe the one that's available where I live has the silver > coloured pedals, so I think it's the older model... > > Dave > > "Dave St.Onge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IUkZ7.123$[email hidden]... > > My MSFF wheel died and I'm thinking about replacing it with the > Thrustmaster > > Ferrari FF wheel...any opinions would be greatly appreciated. My big > > concern is how cheesy the pedals look compared to those of the MSFF. My > > primary use is for N4.... > > > > Thanks... > > > > Dave > > > > > >

It was a wiring problem right at the connection to the wheel. Unfortunately, because of the proprietary connection, I was unable to fix it... Dave "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EplZ7.39430$[email hidden]... > IMHO, I'd go for another MSFFW (USB). I don't know what died on yours,but > it's the first I've ever heard of one actually dying. > > Both of mine are 2 years old and have been beat to hell, and they stillwork

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> perfectly. > > -Larry > > "Dave St.Onge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IUkZ7.123$[email hidden]... > > My MSFF wheel died and I'm thinking about replacing it with the > Thrustmaster > > Ferrari FF wheel...any opinions would be greatly appreciated. My big > > concern is how cheesy the pedals look compared to those of the MSFF. My > > primary use is for N4.... > > > > Thanks... > > > > Dave > > > > > >

> As for the wheel... I wish the forces were stronger. But, I've NEVER had a > calibration problem as the other person claims. hmmm, what OS & game are you running? I've got WIn98se and GPL with the 2.1.11 drivers. If I don't calibrate the wheel after boot it's over sensitive. N3 feels over sensitive too but it could be my imagination. RT demo wasn't a problem, so maybe it's a Papy/TM issue. > The clamping is great, it fits my 1.5" > thick desk no prob Agreed, one minor point, I'm sharing a desk with my wife's home office and she has an under desk keyboard tray. The big plastic screw for the main clamp is too long to accommodate the tray, so I had to remove it and add a block of wood to replace the screw. The old top style clamps of previous TM wheels weren't a problem Likely not a problem for most...

The pedals in the new Ferarri FF Wheel ARE bad.. definately.. The pedal seems to go really far down, like almost parallel to the ground, and it kinda hurts the foot after a while.. They are really light too, but I have them secured to the floor with velco anyways.. so that doesn't matter. The pedals are also a bit too close together, so i don't like that. But, they work perfectly fine... you forget about them when you play. As for the wheel... I wish the forces were stronger. But, I've NEVER had a calibration problem as the other person claims. I just turn on the wheel, and fire up the game I want to play. I don't ever have to visit the settings menu or anything.. The rubbery feel is nice and so is the weight.. the whole ferrari thing seems gimmicky to me though. I'd sooner pay less for the same wheel without the big yellow logo in the middle. The clamping is great, it fits my 1.5" thick desk no prob and that shifter is a cool bonus, although I tend to use the F1 style shifters more often. Another complaint is those F1 shifters.. the plastic is really soft.. This wheel was the same price as a Logitech FF wheel, and I'm happy with my choice after a few modifications (securing pedals and zip-tie-ing cords). BUT, if I had more money to spend, there are a few other wheels I'd get. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a14rfa$cel$[email hidden]... > I've got that and the pedals are "ok", I think all the retail wheels have > crap pedals but at least the silver ones don't go down into the base likea

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> plunger (apparently the new ones do). I've heard people talk about the > silver plastic of the pedals breaking but they must be 500lb gorilla's > playing Carmogeddon, they're fine for "normal" use. Same thing for the > on-wheel shift paddles. > > According to http://www.slottweak.com/ the new wheel is better but the > pedals are worse. > > The wheel itself is good but their software and drivers are crap. > > I've got the 2.11 version of their drivers and I have to re-calibrate the > wheel every boot (minor pain), they've got software that allows you to > reprogram the buttons (for chat etc..) but it types at 1 character every 5 > seconds and crashes my GPL. The new drivers (3.08) have moved the control > that lets you have separate pedal axis out of the control panel (where it > logically belongs) into their button mapping software even if you don't

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> that software you have to install it in order to get separate pedals. > > Everybody will tell you to buy what they've got to help validate their > choice. > > "Dave St.Onge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wylZ7.134$[email hidden]... > > Oh yeah, I believe the one that's available where I live has the silver > > coloured pedals, so I think it's the older model... > > > > Dave > > > > "Dave St.Onge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:IUkZ7.123$[email hidden]... > > > My MSFF wheel died and I'm thinking about replacing it with the > > Thrustmaster > > > Ferrari FF wheel...any opinions would be greatly appreciated. My big > > > concern is how cheesy the pedals look compared to those of the MSFF.

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> > > primary use is for N4.... > > > > > > Thanks... > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JpnZ7.14705$[email hidden]... > The pedals in the new Ferarri FF Wheel ARE bad.. definately.. The pedal > seems to go really far down, like almost parallel to the ground, and it > kinda hurts the foot after a while.. I just got my Ferrari FF this Christmas, and so far I really like it. I like the pedals, but I agree that after a long period of time, your legs might cramp up. The wheel itself is very comfortable. > They are really light too, but I have them secured to the floor with velco > anyways.. so that doesn't matter. The pedals are also a bit too close > together, so i don't like that. But, they work perfectly fine... youforget > about them when you play. Agreed, I was just in Canadian Tire during my luch break to see if I can find something to hold those pedals down. > As for the wheel... I wish the forces were stronger. But, I've NEVER had a > calibration problem as the other person claims. I just turn on the wheel, > and fire up the game I want to play. I don't ever have to visit thesettings > menu or anything.. So far I have only played F1 2001 with my new wheel, and I'm not sure if it's the way I have the FF setup, but I only feel force feed back when I ride the crubs. However, when I do ride the crubs, the force is quite strong IMO. If you play F1 2001, I'd be interested in hearng how you have your FF setup. I installed the "Advanced Menu Contorl File" for F1 2001, and for some odd reason, I can change the value of the "Steering Damper Saturation". It's stuck at 0%. I'll have to install GP3 this weekend, and see how the Ferrari FF fairs with that game. > The rubbery feel is nice and so is the weight.. the whole ferrari thing > seems gimmicky to me though. I'd sooner pay less for the same wheelwithout > the big yellow logo in the middle. The clamping is great, it fits my 1.5" > thick desk no prob and that shifter is a cool bonus, although I tend touse > the F1 style shifters more often. Another complaint is those F1 shifters.. > the plastic is really soft.. > > This wheel was the same price as a Logitech FF wheel, and I'm happy withmy

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> choice after a few modifications (securing pedals and zip-tie-ing cords). > > BUT, if I had more money to spend, there are a few other wheels I'd get. > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a14rfa$cel$[email hidden]... > > I've got that and the pedals are "ok", I think all the retail wheels

have > > crap pedals but at least the silver ones don't go down into the baselike

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> a > > plunger (apparently the new ones do). I've heard people talk about the > > silver plastic of the pedals breaking but they must be 500lb gorilla's > > playing Carmogeddon, they're fine for "normal" use. Same thing for the > > on-wheel shift paddles. > > > > According to http://www.slottweak.com/ the new wheel is better but the > > pedals are worse. > > > > The wheel itself is good but their software and drivers are crap. > > > > I've got the 2.11 version of their drivers and I have to re-calibrate

the > > wheel every boot (minor pain), they've got software that allows you to > > reprogram the buttons (for chat etc..) but it types at 1 character every5 > > seconds and crashes my GPL. The new drivers (3.08) have moved thecontrol > > that lets you have separate pedal axis out of the control panel (whereit

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> > logically belongs) into their button mapping software even if you don't > run > > that software you have to install it in order to get separate pedals. > > > > Everybody will tell you to buy what they've got to help validate their > > choice. > > > > "Dave St.Onge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:wylZ7.134$[email hidden]... > > > Oh yeah, I believe the one that's available where I live has the

silver

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> > > coloured pedals, so I think it's the older model... > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > "Dave St.Onge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:IUkZ7.123$[email hidden]... > > > > My MSFF wheel died and I'm thinking about replacing it with the > > > Thrustmaster > > > > Ferrari FF wheel...any opinions would be greatly appreciated. My

big

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> > > > concern is how cheesy the pedals look compared to those of the MSFF. > My > > > > primary use is for N4.... > > > > > > > > Thanks... > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> setup. I installed the "Advanced Menu Contorl File" for F1 2001, and for > some odd reason, I can change the value of the "Steering DamperSaturation". > It's stuck at 0%. Where have you found this "Advanced Menu Contorl File" ?? The only thing I can adjust (unless tweaking manually in a textfile) is the FF strength. Can you write the link, please? -- Mvh Sven

I'm running Win98SE also.. About the calibration though.. Just once this has happened: I fired up Colin McRae 2 and Started driving and the car was veering off to one side. So, I quit the game and then moved the wheel from end to end and started the game and it was fine. So now, before I start a game, I'll turn the wheel lock to lock. Hope that helps.. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a150s6$clk$[email hidden]... > > As for the wheel... I wish the forces were stronger. But, I've NEVER hada

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> > calibration problem as the other person claims. > > hmmm, what OS & game are you running? I've got WIn98se and GPL with the > 2.1.11 drivers. If I don't calibrate the wheel after boot it's over > sensitive. N3 feels over sensitive too but it could be my imagination. > RT demo wasn't a problem, so maybe it's a Papy/TM issue. > > > The clamping is great, it fits my 1.5" > > thick desk no prob > > Agreed, one minor point, I'm sharing a desk with my wife's home office and > she has an under desk keyboard tray. The big plastic screw for the main > clamp is too long to accommodate the tray, so I had to remove it and add a > block of wood to replace the screw. The old top style clamps of previous > TM wheels weren't a problem > Likely not a problem for most... > >

Yeah, the wheel is really comfy, I like it! It has a "heavy" weight feel to it as well that I like.. As for holding the pedals down, I have hardwood floors in my bedroom.. So I bought some high-quality velcro and stuck it onto the pedals, and then on the floor exactly where I wanted them. I also put the "soft" side of the velcro on the floor as well. So far so good.. I love having the pedal base under the desk, I find it more comfortable than feet on the floor.. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:40oZ7.19908$[email hidden]...

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> > "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:JpnZ7.14705$[email hidden]... > > The pedals in the new Ferarri FF Wheel ARE bad.. definately.. The pedal > > seems to go really far down, like almost parallel to the ground, and it > > kinda hurts the foot after a while.. > > I just got my Ferrari FF this Christmas, and so far I really like it. I

like > the pedals, but I agree that after a long period of time, your legs might > cramp up. The wheel itself is very comfortable. > > > They are really light too, but I have them secured to the floor withvelco

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> > anyways.. so that doesn't matter. The pedals are also a bit too close > > together, so i don't like that. But, they work perfectly fine... you > forget > > about them when you play. > > Agreed, I was just in Canadian Tire during my luch break to see if I can > find something to hold those pedals down. > > > As for the wheel... I wish the forces were stronger. But, I've NEVER had

a > > calibration problem as the other person claims. I just turn on thewheel,

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> > and fire up the game I want to play. I don't ever have to visit the > settings > > menu or anything.. > > So far I have only played F1 2001 with my new wheel, and I'm not sure if > it's the way I have the FF setup, but I only feel force feed back when I > ride the crubs. However, when I do ride the crubs, the force is quite

strong > IMO. If you play F1 2001, I'd be interested in hearng how you have your FF > setup. I installed the "Advanced Menu Contorl File" for F1 2001, and for > some odd reason, I can change the value of the "Steering DamperSaturation". > It's stuck at 0%. > > I'll have to install GP3 this weekend, and see how the Ferrari FF fairswith > that game. > > > The rubbery feel is nice and so is the weight.. the whole ferrari thing > > seems gimmicky to me though. I'd sooner pay less for the same wheel > without > > the big yellow logo in the middle. The clamping is great, it fits my1.5" > > thick desk no prob and that shifter is a cool bonus, although I tend to > use > > the F1 style shifters more often. Another complaint is those F1shifters.. > > the plastic is really soft.. > > > > This wheel was the same price as a Logitech FF wheel, and I'm happy with > my > > choice after a few modifications (securing pedals and zip-tie-ingcords).

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> > > > BUT, if I had more money to spend, there are a few other wheels I'd get. > > > > Mike > > http://mikebeauchamp.com > > > > "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:a14rfa$cel$[email hidden]... > > > I've got that and the pedals are "ok", I think all the retail wheels > have > > > crap pedals but at least the silver ones don't go down into the base > like > > a > > > plunger (apparently the new ones do). I've heard people talk about

the > > > silver plastic of the pedals breaking but they must be 500lb gorilla's > > > playing Carmogeddon, they're fine for "normal" use. Same thing forthe

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> > > on-wheel shift paddles. > > > > > > According to http://www.slottweak.com/ the new wheel is better but the > > > pedals are worse. > > > > > > The wheel itself is good but their software and drivers are crap. > > > > > > I've got the 2.11 version of their drivers and I have to re-calibrate > the > > > wheel every boot (minor pain), they've got software that allows you to > > > reprogram the buttons (for chat etc..) but it types at 1 character

every > 5 > > > seconds and crashes my GPL. The new drivers (3.08) have moved the > control > > > that lets you have separate pedal axis out of the control panel (where > it > > > logically belongs) into their button mapping software even if youdon't

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> > run > > > that software you have to install it in order to get separate pedals. > > > > > > Everybody will tell you to buy what they've got to help validate their > > > choice. > > > > > > "Dave St.Onge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:wylZ7.134$[email hidden]... > > > > Oh yeah, I believe the one that's available where I live has the > silver > > > > coloured pedals, so I think it's the older model... > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > "Dave St.Onge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:IUkZ7.123$[email hidden]... > > > > > My MSFF wheel died and I'm thinking about replacing it with the > > > > Thrustmaster > > > > > Ferrari FF wheel...any opinions would be greatly appreciated. My > big > > > > > concern is how cheesy the pedals look compared to those of the

MSFF.

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> > My > > > > > primary use is for N4.... > > > > > > > > > > Thanks... > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I am currently considering the TM Ferrari wheel or the much cheaper old TM Pro Digital. Does anyone know what calibration range these wheels are capable of and whether the TM Pro Digital has some problems i should know about?. /btw, You can find the calibration range using DXtweak and check the raw value range when moving the wheel from full left to full right, then do the same with pedals to see lowest and highest values. Alternatively you can just use GPL in Direct x wheel mode and see what the raw values are in there when u extend ure axis through their full ranges. any info would be appreciated "Dave St.Onge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IUkZ7.123$[email hidden]... > My MSFF wheel died and I'm thinking about replacing it with theThrustmaster

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> Ferrari FF wheel...any opinions would be greatly appreciated. My big > concern is how cheesy the pedals look compared to those of the MSFF. My > primary use is for N4.... > > Thanks... > > Dave > >

Wheel 4096, gas 256, brake 511 (strange ). "Ashley Miskelly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:z1_Z7.38816$[email hidden]...

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> I am currently considering the TM Ferrari wheel or the much cheaper old TM > Pro Digital. Does anyone know what calibration range these wheels are > capable of and whether the TM Pro Digital has some problems i should know > about?. > > /btw, You can find the calibration range using DXtweak and check the raw > value range when moving the wheel from full left to full right, then do

the > same with pedals to see lowest and highest values. > Alternatively you can just use GPL in Direct x wheel mode and see what the > raw values are in there when u extend ure axis through their full ranges. > > any info would be appreciated

> I am currently considering the TM Ferrari wheel or the much cheaper old TMPro Digital. At least get the pro digital 2. rms [email hidden]

I am currently considering the TM Ferrari wheel or the much cheaper old TM Pro Digital. Does anyone know what calibration range these wheels are capable of and whether the TM Pro Digital has some problems i should know about?. /btw, You can find the calibration range using DXtweak and check the raw value range when moving the wheel from full left to full right, then do the same with pedals to see lowest and highest values. Alternatively you can just use GPL in Direct x wheel mode and see what the raw values are in there when u extend ure axis through their full ranges. any info would be appreciated "Dave St.Onge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IUkZ7.123$[email hidden]... > My MSFF wheel died and I'm thinking about replacing it with theThrustmaster

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> Ferrari FF wheel...any opinions would be greatly appreciated. My big > concern is how cheesy the pedals look compared to those of the MSFF. My > primary use is for N4.... > > Thanks... > > Dave > >

Thx guys, great help Mario, are the ranges u gave like 4096 on the wheel from the Ferrari FF or the TM Pro Digital? One thing to check is by what increments the wheel actually goes up by too. It may be 4096 but it may go up in increments of 4 at a time, tell me what u find cheers once again bye "Mario Petrinovic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a1a19q$3sr$[email hidden]...

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> Wheel 4096, gas 256, brake 511 (strange ). > > > > "Ashley Miskelly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:z1_Z7.38816$[email hidden]... > > I am currently considering the TM Ferrari wheel or the much cheaper old

TM > > Pro Digital. Does anyone know what calibration range these wheels are > > capable of and whether the TM Pro Digital has some problems i shouldknow

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> > about?. > > > > /btw, You can find the calibration range using DXtweak and check the raw > > value range when moving the wheel from full left to full right, then do > the > > same with pedals to see lowest and highest values. > > Alternatively you can just use GPL in Direct x wheel mode and see what

the > > raw values are in there when u extend ure axis through their fullranges. > > > > any info would be appreciated > >

>"Ashley Miskelly" <[email hidden]> wrote > I am currently considering the TM Ferrari wheel or the much cheaper old TM > Pro Digital. Does anyone know what calibration range these wheels are > capable of and whether the TM Pro Digital has some problems i should know > about?. 2048 or something on the "new" Ferrari. The one with the black pedals. They doubled the precision from the old wheel. It's quite good. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

It is new TM Ferrari. Wheel is 4096 => 40 at a time Gas 256 => 2-3 Brake 511 => 4 I tested with N4. "Ashley Miskelly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ae7_7.613$[email hidden]... > Thx guys, great help > Mario, are the ranges u gave like 4096 on the wheel from the Ferrari FF or > the TM Pro Digital? > > One thing to check is by what increments the wheel actually goes up bytoo. > It may be 4096 but it may go up in increments of 4 at a time, tell me whatu > find > > cheers once again > bye