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Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while back and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i would like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck with a $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other sims i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got it two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they don't make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas wheel because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i would not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make there wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user. here are my specs p4 1.3 sb live digtial geforce gts 32mb win me

The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts" on the Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF. Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50K Spectrol pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a dodgy gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other option is to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd haver to upgrade your pots to 100K... The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter :- http://www.sim-addicts.com/products.htm The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claims to solve jitter issues. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while back > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i would > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck with a > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other sims > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got it > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they don't > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas wheel > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i would > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make there > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user. > > > here are my specs > p4 1.3 > sb live digtial > geforce gts 32mb > win me

Sorry about your misfortune but this is the first time I've heard anyone have a problem with a TSW product in 4 years. -- ------------------------------ Proud member of the: -Virtual Racing World/SouthPaw Motorsports #43 http://www.virtualracingworld.com/ -LikeReal LAN Speed Challenge Series /Ford Taurus #183 http://www.likereal.com -PRO Series/Ford Taurus #32 http://www.theproseries.com/ -SCORL/Team FoMoCo #23 http://www.scorl.com <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while back > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i would > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck with a > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other sims > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got it > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they don't > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas wheel > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i would > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make there > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user. > > > here are my specs > p4 1.3 > sb live digtial > geforce gts 32mb > win me

Thanks i knew about the poll with interrupts deal. and i have tested this on another computer also and the same thing happens. >The other option is >>to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd haver to >>upgrade your pots to 100K...i want give them no more money just to get it to work like it supposed to start with. looks like that 99.00 card will be my only choice.i know one thing for sure i want order nothing else from any fly by night company again...if ya can't try it don't buy it..but thanks for the info man it was highly appreated don On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 10:25:48 GMT, "Seymour Butts" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts" on the >Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF. > >Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50K Spectrol >pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a dodgy >gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other option is >to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd haver to >upgrade your pots to 100K... > >The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter :- > >http://www.sim-addicts.com/products.htm > >The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claims to >solve jitter issues. > > ><[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while back >> and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on >> google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called >> dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my >> other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try >> that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop >> this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i would >> like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start >> with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck with a >> $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the >> place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other sims >> i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got it >> two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they don't >> make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas wheel >> because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't >> make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i would >> not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this >> problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make there >> wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user. >> >> >> here are my specs >> p4 1.3 >> sb live digtial >> geforce gts 32mb >> win me >

Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim addicts? I tried a rockfire usb convertor but did not like its performance. Any info would be appreciated. DC Seymour Butts <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MwAZ7.35537$[email hidden]... > The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts" on the > Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF. > > Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50KSpectrol > pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a dodgy > gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other optionis

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> to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd haver to > upgrade your pots to 100K... > > The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter :- > > http://www.sim-addicts.com/products.htm > > The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claims to > solve jitter issues. > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while back > > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on > > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called > > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my > > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try > > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop > > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i would > > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start > > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck with a > > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the > > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other sims > > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got it > > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they don't > > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas wheel > > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't > > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i would > > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this > > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make there > > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user. > > > > > > here are my specs > > p4 1.3 > > sb live digtial > > geforce gts 32mb > > win me > >

I just ordered new potentiometers from TE yesterday that are supposed to work better with the USB converter - better than the DK pots. I also ordered my USB converter directly from them since I know it will work. You might want to give them a call. - David Cook "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hAFZ7.848$[email hidden]...

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> Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim addicts? I tried a > rockfire usb convertor but did not like its performance. > > Any info would be appreciated. > > DC > Seymour Butts <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MwAZ7.35537$[email hidden]... > > The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts" on

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> > Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF. > > > > Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50K > Spectrol > > pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a dodgy > > gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other option > is > > to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd haver

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> > upgrade your pots to 100K... > > > > The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter :- > > > > http://www.sim-addicts.com/products.htm > > > > The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claims to > > solve jitter issues. > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while back > > > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on > > > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called > > > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my > > > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try > > > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop > > > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i would > > > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start > > > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck with a > > > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the > > > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other sims > > > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got it > > > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they don't > > > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas wheel > > > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't > > > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i would > > > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this > > > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make there > > > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user. > > > > > > > > > here are my specs > > > p4 1.3 > > > sb live digtial > > > geforce gts 32mb > > > win me > > > > > >

In article <3c37169c$[email hidden]>, "Nelson Rivera" <[email hidden]> writes: >Sorry about your misfortune but this is the first time I've heard anyone >have a problem with a TSW product in 4 years. > Even the split-axis issues with F1 2001, or MTBR? eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] writes: >here are my specs >p4 1.3 >sb live digtial >geforce gts 32mb >win me > I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No, you're not the only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes the problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not without a PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uwe posts here occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up some facts... Sorry... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I don't get split axis with my TSW2Mod in F1 2001. gas Joy1-- Z- brake Joy1-- RZ+ left turn Joy1 -- X- right turn Joy1 -- X+ Or am I mistaken? -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 27.58 ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: Plans? Oh, you mean that napkin sketch? ----------------- Stressed is just Desserts backwards

I don't get split axis with my TSW2Mod in F1 2001. gas Joy1-- Z- brake Joy1-- RZ+ left turn Joy1 -- X- right turn Joy1 -- X+ Or am I mistaken? -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 27.58 ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: Plans? Oh, you mean that napkin sketch? ----------------- Stressed is just Desserts backwards

i can use split axis in F12001 with my tsw2 -- CW Webster "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <3c37169c$[email hidden]>, "Nelson Rivera" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Sorry about your misfortune but this is the first time I've heard anyone > >have a problem with a TSW product in 4 years. > > > > Even the split-axis issues with F1 2001, or MTBR? > > eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

yes it's going to the sb live gameport. >Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He >>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes the >>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not without a >>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo.they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really put a bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know what the car is going to do sometime's. but any way the lwff is great for now . don On 05 Jan 2002 18:03:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >writes: > >>here are my specs >>p4 1.3 >>sb live digtial >>geforce gts 32mb >>win me >> > >I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No, you're not the >only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He >contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes the >problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not without a >PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uwe posts here >occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up some facts... >Sorry... > >Eldred

man i uninstalled that game the tire model was all screwed up after the patch.plus there were alot of bugs. there was to much grip in places that should'nt be there and not enough grip in others.but the ff was great.i just felt like it was another arcade game from ea and not really a sim and i had a llot of trouble with the controllers. the axis gas and brake in split axis would'nt work right i could get them asigned but it only worked at half way so it made it hard to judge the car with all aids off. thanks alot don On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:51:47 GMT, "Richard \"ZZ\" Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I don't get split axis with my TSW2Mod in F1 2001. > >gas Joy1-- Z- >brake Joy1-- RZ+ >left turn Joy1 -- X- >right turn Joy1 -- X+ > >Or am I mistaken?

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>i can use split axis in F12001 with my tsw2 > >-- >CW Webster >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <3c37169c$[email hidden]>, "Nelson Rivera" >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >Sorry about your misfortune but this is the first time I've heard anyone >> >have a problem with a TSW product in 4 years. >> >

Most can, true. Some can't. Nelson's comment was that this was the first time he'd heard of anyone having a problem. I'm not sure if he's including calibration issues in that or not - he might not have been looking for those.... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <7XHZ7.16679$[email hidden]>, "Richard \"ZZ\" Busch" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I don't get split axis with my TSW2Mod in F1 2001. > >gas Joy1-- Z- >brake Joy1-- RZ+ >left turn Joy1 -- X- >right turn Joy1 -- X+ >

That's the same setup as me. When you slect a track, you have to hold down the brake pedal. Hols it from the time you select "drive" until you're moving down pit lane. It should work then. If not, let me know and I'll see if I can help more. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

What split axis issue in F1-2001? My 1996 TSW with 4-axes works just fine in F1-2001... Wayne Hutchison "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <3c37169c$[email hidden]>, "Nelson Rivera" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Sorry about your misfortune but this is the first time I've heard anyone > >have a problem with a TSW product in 4 years. > > > > Even the split-axis issues with F1 2001, or MTBR? > > eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I have an old TSW (1996) that I added the clutch pedal to a few years back. It has the axes as follows: gas Joy1 Z- brake Joy1 RZ+ clutch Joy1 Y+ steering Joy1 X+/X- If I hold down the brake pedal while I'm firing up F1-2001, then this arrangement works just fine. Same thing works properly in SCGT, GPL, GP3, N4, DTR, Leadfoot, Viper, etc. Wayne Hutchison "Richard "ZZ" Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7XHZ7.16679$[email hidden]...

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> I don't get split axis with my TSW2Mod in F1 2001. > > gas Joy1-- Z- > brake Joy1-- RZ+ > left turn Joy1 -- X- > right turn Joy1 -- X+ > > Or am I mistaken? > > -- > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > Member: > Screamers Racing League > GPL Rank + 27.58 > > ---------------- > Busch Motorsports: > Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward > ----------------- > Busch Carpentry: > Plans? Oh, you mean that napkin sketch? > ----------------- > Stressed is just Desserts backwards > > > > > >

Yes - I have one. I also have the Rockfire USB, and the Sim-Addicts solution works like a dream. No jitter, maintains a high resolution. I've only tested it with 100K pots, but technically it should work with any pot range. "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hAFZ7.848$[email hidden]...

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> Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim addicts? I tried a > rockfire usb convertor but did not like its performance. > > Any info would be appreciated. > > DC > Seymour Butts <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MwAZ7.35537$[email hidden]... > > The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts" on

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> > Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF. > > > > Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50K > Spectrol > > pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a dodgy > > gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other option > is > > to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd haver

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> > upgrade your pots to 100K... > > > > The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter :- > > > > http://www.sim-addicts.com/products.htm > > > > The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claims to > > solve jitter issues. > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while back > > > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on > > > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called > > > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my > > > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try > > > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop > > > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i would > > > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start > > > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck with a > > > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the > > > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other sims > > > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got it > > > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they don't > > > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas wheel > > > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't > > > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i would > > > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this > > > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make there > > > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user. > > > > > > > > > here are my specs > > > p4 1.3 > > > sb live digtial > > > geforce gts 32mb > > > win me > > > > > >

That's the same setup as me. When you select a track, you have to hold down the brake pedal. Holds it from the time you select "drive" until you're moving down pit lane. It should work then. If not, let me know and I'll see if I can help more. Yea I have to hold my brake in until I hit the track. When I'm in the pit garage I let go the brake and roll out. It works then. I hold the brake from when I start the game til I'm in the garage. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 27.58 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: Plans? Oh, you mean that napkin sketch? ----------------- Stressed is just Desserts backwards

That's the same setup as me. When you select a track, you have to hold down the brake pedal. Holds it from the time you select "drive" until you're moving down pit lane. It should work then. If not, let me know and I'll see if I can help more. Yea I have to hold my brake in until I hit the track. When I'm in the pit garage I let go the brake and roll out. It works then. I hold the brake from when I start the game til I'm in the garage. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 27.58 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: Plans? Oh, you mean that napkin sketch? ----------------- Stressed is just Desserts backwards

In article <feNZ7.31880$[email hidden]>, "Richard \"ZZ\" Busch" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>That's the same setup as me. When you select a track, you have to hold down >the >brake pedal. Holds it from the time you select "drive" until you're moving >down >pit lane. It should work then. If not, let me know and I'll see if I can >help >more. > >Yea I have to hold my brake in until I hit the track. When I'm in the pit >garage I let go the brake and roll out. It works then. >I hold the brake from when I start the game til I'm in the garage. >

Ok, good. Glad I could help(if in fact I did<g>). Although I find it hard to believe that they didn't discover this problem in beta testing. Or maybe they did, but just didn't care - it happens in F12000, F1200CS, SBK2001, and now F12001... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Don, I also have this huge jitter issue with my 1997 TSW2 and always have with my SB Live! Gamer 5.1. I was lucky enough to get a PDPI and still use it with my current rig. Using it in the SB Live! Gamer port made it unplayable. It's one of the reasons I haven't upgraded my system since ISA is becoming a dinosaur. I guess I will be trying to get it to convert to USB or get one of the sim-addicts cards when I upgrade my system <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > yes it's going to the sb live gameport. > >Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He > >>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes the > >>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, notwithout a

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> >>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. > they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really put a > bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson > also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know > what the car is going to do sometime's. but any way the lwff is great > for now . > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 05 Jan 2002 18:03:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >In article <[email hidden]>,

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> >writes: > > > >>here are my specs > >>p4 1.3 > >>sb live digtial > >>geforce gts 32mb > >>win me > >> > > > >I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No, you're not

the > >only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the sameproblem. He > >contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes the > >problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, notwithout a > >PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uwe posts here > >occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up somefacts... > >Sorry... > > > >Eldred >

Seymour I'm a little confused about the sims-addict card. Would this be comparable to a PDPI solution except it's PCI instead of ISA? I understand it converts the analog to USB but can I also assume it uses a standard joystick conneection? I didn't see an order form on their site. Do you email them to order? "Seymour Butts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kvMZ7.36397$[email hidden]... > Yes - I have one. I also have the Rockfire USB, and the Sim-Addicts > solution works like a dream. No jitter, maintains a high resolution. > > I've only tested it with 100K pots, but technically it should work withany

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> pot range. > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:hAFZ7.848$[email hidden]... > > Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim addicts? I tried a > > rockfire usb convertor but did not like its performance. > > > > Any info would be appreciated. > > > > DC > > Seymour Butts <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:MwAZ7.35537$[email hidden]... > > > The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts" on > the > > > Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF. > > > > > > Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50K > > Spectrol > > > pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a

dodgy > > > gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The otheroption > > is > > > to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'dhaver > to > > > upgrade your pots to 100K... > > > > > > The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter:- > > > > > > http://www.sim-addicts.com/products.htm > > > > > > The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claimsto > > > solve jitter issues. > > > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a whileback > > > > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on > > > > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called > > > > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up tomy > > > > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try > > > > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop > > > > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now iwould > > > > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start > > > > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck witha > > > > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the > > > > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all othersims > > > > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i gotit > > > > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because theydon't > > > > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomaswheel > > > > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't > > > > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.iwould > > > > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this > > > > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to makethere

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> > > > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user. > > > > > > > > > > > > here are my specs > > > > p4 1.3 > > > > sb live digtial > > > > geforce gts 32mb > > > > win me > > > > > > > > > > > >

Seymour I'm a little confused about the sims-*** card. Would this be comparable to a PDPI solution except it's PCI instead of ISA? I understand it converts the analog to USB but can I also assume it uses a standard joystick conneection? I didn't see an order form on their site. Do you email them to order? > Yes - I have one. I also have the Rockfire USB, and the Sim-***s > solution works like a dream. No jitter, maintains a high resolution. > I've only tested it with 100K pots, but technically it should work with any

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> pot range. > > Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim ***s? I tried a > > rockfire usb convertor but did not like its performance. > > Any info would be appreciated. > > DC > > > The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts" on > the > > > Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF. > > > Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50K > > Spectrol > > > pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a

dodgy > > > gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other option > > is > > > to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd haver > to > > > upgrade your pots to 100K... > > > The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter :- > > > [link lost in import: /***s.com/products.htm] > > > The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claims to > > > solve jitter issues. > > > > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while back > > > > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search on > > > > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i called > > > > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my > > > > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try > > > > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop > > > > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i would > > > > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start > > > > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck with a > > > > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over the > > > > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other sims > > > > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got it > > > > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they don't > > > > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas wheel > > > > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't > > > > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i would > > > > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this > > > > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make there

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> > > > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user. > > > > here are my specs > > > > p4 1.3 > > > > sb live digtial > > > > geforce gts 32mb > > > > win me

Seymour said he is. Look above. "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UU%Z7.2092$[email hidden]...

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> anyone using on of those sim addict cards? > > DC > > 96ImpalaSS <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oJ_Z7.55493$[email hidden]... > > Don, I also have this huge jitter issue with my 1997 TSW2 and always

have > > with my SB Live! Gamer 5.1. I was lucky enough to get a PDPI and stilluse > > it with my current rig. Using it in the SB Live! Gamer port made it > > unplayable. It's one of the reasons I haven't upgraded my system sinceISA > > is becoming a dinosaur. I guess I will be trying to get it to convertto

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> > USB or get one of the sim-addicts cards when I upgrade my system > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > yes it's going to the sb live gameport. > > > >Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He > > > >>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes > the > > > >>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well,

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> > without a > > > >>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. > > > they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really put a > > > bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson > > > also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know > > > what the car is going to do sometime's. but any way the lwff is great > > > for now . > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 05 Jan 2002 18:03:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > > > > > >In article <[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] > > > >writes: > > > > > > > >>here are my specs > > > >>p4 1.3 > > > >>sb live digtial > > > >>geforce gts 32mb > > > >>win me > > > >> > > > > > > > >I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No, you're > not > > the > > > >only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same > > problem. He > > > >contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes > the > > > >problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not > > without a > > > >PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uwe posts > here > > > >occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up

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anyone using on of those sim addict cards? DC 96ImpalaSS <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oJ_Z7.55493$[email hidden]...

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> Don, I also have this huge jitter issue with my 1997 TSW2 and always have > with my SB Live! Gamer 5.1. I was lucky enough to get a PDPI and still use > it with my current rig. Using it in the SB Live! Gamer port made it > unplayable. It's one of the reasons I haven't upgraded my system since ISA > is becoming a dinosaur. I guess I will be trying to get it to convert to > USB or get one of the sim-addicts cards when I upgrade my system > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > yes it's going to the sb live gameport. > > >Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He > > >>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes

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> > >>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not > without a > > >>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. > > they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really put a > > bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson > > also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know > > what the car is going to do sometime's. but any way the lwff is great > > for now . > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 05 Jan 2002 18:03:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > > > >In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] > > >writes: > > > > > >>here are my specs > > >>p4 1.3 > > >>sb live digtial > > >>geforce gts 32mb > > >>win me > > >> > > > > > >I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No, you're

not > the > > >only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same > problem. He > > >contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yesthe > > >problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not > without a > > >PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uwe postshere

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> > >occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up some > facts... > > >Sorry... > > > > > >Eldred > > > >

> Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim addicts? What's sim addicts url ? thx! rms [email hidden]

Well if TSW wont stand behind their products and accept a return, I would say we should not support this product and buy another comparible wheel that does not have design problem and has better customer support "96ImpalaSS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oJ_Z7.55493$[email hidden]...

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> Don, I also have this huge jitter issue with my 1997 TSW2 and always have > with my SB Live! Gamer 5.1. I was lucky enough to get a PDPI and still use > it with my current rig. Using it in the SB Live! Gamer port made it > unplayable. It's one of the reasons I haven't upgraded my system since ISA > is becoming a dinosaur. I guess I will be trying to get it to convert to > USB or get one of the sim-addicts cards when I upgrade my system > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > yes it's going to the sb live gameport. > > >Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He > > >>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes

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> > >>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not > without a > > >>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. > > they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really put a > > bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson > > also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know > > what the car is going to do sometime's. but any way the lwff is great > > for now . > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 05 Jan 2002 18:03:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > > > >In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] > > >writes: > > > > > >>here are my specs > > >>p4 1.3 > > >>sb live digtial > > >>geforce gts 32mb > > >>win me > > >> > > > > > >I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No, you're

not > the > > >only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same > problem. He > > >contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yesthe > > >problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not > without a > > >PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uwe postshere

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> > >occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up some > facts... > > >Sorry... > > > > > >Eldred > > > >

Have you called and talked with them? I think you'll find most owners of the TSW line of wheels are very happy with theirs, and will attest that Thomas offers great support. Don Burnette "Robert Jordan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wn0_7.4821$[email hidden]... > Well if TSW wont stand behind their products and accept a return, I would > say we should not support this product and buy another comparible wheelthat > does not have design problem and has better customer support > > > "96ImpalaSS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oJ_Z7.55493$[email hidden]... > > Don, I also have this huge jitter issue with my 1997 TSW2 and alwayshave > > with my SB Live! Gamer 5.1. I was lucky enough to get a PDPI and stilluse > > it with my current rig. Using it in the SB Live! Gamer port made it > > unplayable. It's one of the reasons I haven't upgraded my system sinceISA > > is becoming a dinosaur. I guess I will be trying to get it to convertto

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> > USB or get one of the sim-addicts cards when I upgrade my system > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > yes it's going to the sb live gameport. > > > >Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He > > > >>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes > the > > > >>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well,

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> > without a > > > >>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. > > > they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really put a > > > bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson > > > also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know > > > what the car is going to do sometime's. but any way the lwff is great > > > for now . > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 05 Jan 2002 18:03:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > > > > > >In article <[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] > > > >writes: > > > > > > > >>here are my specs > > > >>p4 1.3 > > > >>sb live digtial > > > >>geforce gts 32mb > > > >>win me > > > >> > > > > > > > >I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No, you're > not > > the > > > >only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same > > problem. He > > > >contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes > the > > > >problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, not > > without a > > > >PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uwe posts > here > > > >occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up

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> > Thanks i knew about the poll with interrupts deal. and i have tested > this on another computer also and the same thing happens. >>The other option is >>>to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd haver to >>>upgrade your pots to 100K... > i want give them no more money just to get it to work like it supposed > to start with. looks like that 99.00 card will be my only choice.i > know one thing for sure i want order nothing else from any fly by > night company again...if ya can't try it don't buy it..but thanks for > the info man it was highly appreated > > don

Hmm, what kind of jitter are you on about? The seemingly random up/down jumping when you calibrate the wheel under windows? Have you tried the "generic" input driver that GPL offers? Regards, uwe PS: I have had nothing but good experiences with TE, they do go out of their way to help customers, IMHO. -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> i can use split axis in F12001 with my tsw2 > > -- > CW Webster > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> In article <3c37169c$[email hidden]>, "Nelson Rivera" >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >Sorry about your misfortune but this is the first time I've heard anyone >> >have a problem with a TSW product in 4 years. >> > >> >> Even the split-axis issues with F1 2001, or MTBR? >>

the split axis issues are due to shoddy programming on the game developers side, not an inherent problem of the TSW. uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

I don't think some even read the posts. All of your questions you're asking after the fact have already been addressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Have you called and talked with them?" "i called dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to my other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to try that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to stop this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither "anyone using on of those sim addict cards?" "Yes - I have one. I also have the Rockfire USB, and the Sim-Addicts solution works like a dream. No jitter, maintains a high resolution." "What's sim addicts url ? thx!" "The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter :- http://www.sim-addicts.com/products.htm The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it claims to solve jitter issues." "96ImpalaSS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xQ%Z7.55521$[email hidden]...

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> Seymour said he is. Look above. > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:UU%Z7.2092$[email hidden]... > > anyone using on of those sim addict cards? > > > > DC > > > > 96ImpalaSS <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:oJ_Z7.55493$[email hidden]... > > > Don, I also have this huge jitter issue with my 1997 TSW2 and always > have > > > with my SB Live! Gamer 5.1. I was lucky enough to get a PDPI and still > use > > > it with my current rig. Using it in the SB Live! Gamer port made it > > > unplayable. It's one of the reasons I haven't upgraded my system since > ISA > > > is becoming a dinosaur. I guess I will be trying to get it to convert > to > > > USB or get one of the sim-addicts cards when I upgrade my system > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > yes it's going to the sb live gameport. > > > > >Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He > > > > >>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told,

yes > > the > > > > >>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, > not > > > without a > > > > >>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. > > > > they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really puta > > > > bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson > > > > also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know > > > > what the car is going to do sometime's. but any way the lwff isgreat

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> > > > for now . > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 05 Jan 2002 18:03:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP)

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> > > > > > > > >In article <[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] > > > > >writes: > > > > > > > > > >>here are my specs > > > > >>p4 1.3 > > > > >>sb live digtial > > > > >>geforce gts 32mb > > > > >>win me > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No,

you're > > not > > > the > > > > >only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same > > > problem. He > > > > >contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told,yes > > the > > > > >problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well,not > > > without a > > > > >PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uweposts

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www.sim-addicts.com "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7%%Z7.2515$[email hidden]...

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> > Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim addicts? > > What's sim addicts url ? thx! > > rms > [email hidden] > > >

www.sim-***s.com > > Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim ***s? > What's sim ***s url ? thx! > rms

www.sim-addicts.com "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7%%Z7.2515$[email hidden]...

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> > Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim addicts? > > What's sim addicts url ? thx! > > rms > [email hidden] > > >

It's comparable to the PDPI in many respects. It requires no drivers and comes with no software (uses standard Microsoft HID drivers), and works under Win9x/2k/XP. The card is standalone and sits externally from the PC. It's really designed to be mounted inside your wheel or a housing that sits between your wheel and the PC. It has a 15pin gameport connector so the TSW will plug into it directly and a USB connection to the PC end. To order, just email them. "96ImpalaSS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2P_Z7.55495$[email hidden]... > Seymour > > I'm a little confused about the sims-addict card. Would this be comparable > to a PDPI solution except it's PCI instead of ISA? I understand itconverts > the analog to USB but can I also assume it uses a standard joystick > conneection? I didn't see an order form on their site. Do you email themto

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> order? > > "Seymour Butts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kvMZ7.36397$[email hidden]... > > Yes - I have one. I also have the Rockfire USB, and the Sim-Addicts > > solution works like a dream. No jitter, maintains a high resolution. > > > > I've only tested it with 100K pots, but technically it should work with > any > > pot range. > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:hAFZ7.848$[email hidden]... > > > Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim addicts? I tried

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> > > rockfire usb convertor but did not like its performance. > > > > > > Any info would be appreciated. > > > > > > DC > > > Seymour Butts <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:MwAZ7.35537$[email hidden]... > > > > The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts"

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> > the > > > > Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF. > > > > > > > > Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50K > > > Spectrol > > > > pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a > dodgy > > > > gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other > option > > > is > > > > to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd > haver > > to > > > > upgrade your pots to 100K... > > > > > > > > The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter > :- > > > > > > > > http://www.sim-addicts.com/products.htm > > > > > > > > The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it

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> to > > > > solve jitter issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while > back > > > > > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search

on > > > > > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. icalled > > > > > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to > my > > > > > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots totry > > > > > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card tostop > > > > > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i > would > > > > > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start > > > > > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuckwith > a > > > > > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all overthe

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> > > > > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other > sims > > > > > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got > it > > > > > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they > don't > > > > > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas > wheel > > > > > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't > > > > > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i > would > > > > > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this > > > > > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make > there > > > > > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here are my specs > > > > > p4 1.3 > > > > > sb live digtial > > > > > geforce gts 32mb > > > > > win me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

It's comparable to the PDPI in many respects. It requires no drivers and comes with no software (uses standard Microsoft HID drivers), and works under Win9x/2k/XP. The card is standalone and sits externally from the PC. It's really designed to be mounted inside your wheel or a housing that sits between your wheel and the PC. It has a 15pin gameport connector so the TSW will plug into it directly and a USB connection to the PC end. To order, just email them. "96ImpalaSS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2P_Z7.55495$[email hidden]... > Seymour > > I'm a little confused about the sims-addict card. Would this be comparable > to a PDPI solution except it's PCI instead of ISA? I understand itconverts > the analog to USB but can I also assume it uses a standard joystick > conneection? I didn't see an order form on their site. Do you email themto

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> order? > > "Seymour Butts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kvMZ7.36397$[email hidden]... > > Yes - I have one. I also have the Rockfire USB, and the Sim-Addicts > > solution works like a dream. No jitter, maintains a high resolution. > > > > I've only tested it with 100K pots, but technically it should work with > any > > pot range. > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:hAFZ7.848$[email hidden]... > > > Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim addicts? I tried

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> > > rockfire usb convertor but did not like its performance. > > > > > > Any info would be appreciated. > > > > > > DC > > > Seymour Butts <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:MwAZ7.35537$[email hidden]... > > > > The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with Interrupts"

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> > the > > > > Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF. > > > > > > > > Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the 50K > > > Spectrol > > > > pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a > dodgy > > > > gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other > option > > > is > > > > to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd > haver > > to > > > > upgrade your pots to 100K... > > > > > > > > The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB Converter > :- > > > > > > > > http://www.sim-addicts.com/products.htm > > > > > > > > The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it

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> to > > > > solve jitter issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while > back > > > > > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search

on > > > > > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. icalled > > > > > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it up to > my > > > > > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots totry > > > > > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card tostop > > > > > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i > would > > > > > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start > > > > > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuckwith > a > > > > > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all overthe

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> > > > > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all other > sims > > > > > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day i got > it > > > > > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they > don't > > > > > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas > wheel > > > > > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if i can't > > > > > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i > would > > > > > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this > > > > > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make > there > > > > > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here are my specs > > > > > p4 1.3 > > > > > sb live digtial > > > > > geforce gts 32mb > > > > > win me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

One clarification - when I mean no software I mean Profiler etc. It's really designed for sim/joystick developers who want to implement a USB solution for their hardware, so it's their responsibility to implement the value-add software like Profilers etc. It comes with some config software for setting the card up. Check out www.sim-addicts.com and read the literature for yourself. "Seymour Butts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ao2_7.38949$[email hidden]... > It's comparable to the PDPI in many respects. It requires no drivers and > comes with no software (uses standard Microsoft HID drivers), and works > under Win9x/2k/XP. The card is standalone and sits externally from the PC. > It's really designed to be mounted inside your wheel or a housing thatsits > between your wheel and the PC. It has a 15pin gameport connector so theTSW

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> will plug into it directly and a USB connection to the PC end. To order, > just email them. > > > "96ImpalaSS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2P_Z7.55495$[email hidden]... > > Seymour > > > > I'm a little confused about the sims-addict card. Would this be

comparable > > to a PDPI solution except it's PCI instead of ISA? I understand it > converts > > the analog to USB but can I also assume it uses a standard joystick > > conneection? I didn't see an order form on their site. Do you emailthem

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> to > > order? > > > > "Seymour Butts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:kvMZ7.36397$[email hidden]... > > > Yes - I have one. I also have the Rockfire USB, and the Sim-Addicts > > > solution works like a dream. No jitter, maintains a high resolution. > > > > > > I've only tested it with 100K pots, but technically it should work

with > > any > > > pot range. > > > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:hAFZ7.848$[email hidden]... > > > > Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim addicts? Itried

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> a > > > > rockfire usb convertor but did not like its performance. > > > > > > > > Any info would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > DC > > > > Seymour Butts <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:MwAZ7.35537$[email hidden]... > > > > > The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with

Interrupts" > on > > > the > > > > > Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF. > > > > > > > > > > Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the50K

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> > > > Spectrol > > > > > pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a > > dodgy > > > > > gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other > > option > > > > is > > > > > to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd > > haver > > > to > > > > > upgrade your pots to 100K... > > > > > > > > > > The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB

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> > :- > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sim-addicts.com/products.htm > > > > > > > > > > The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it > claims > > to > > > > > solve jitter issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a

while > > back > > > > > > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search > on > > > > > > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i > called > > > > > > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it upto

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> > my > > > > > > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to > try > > > > > > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to > stop > > > > > > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i > > would > > > > > > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start > > > > > > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck > with > > a > > > > > > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over > the > > > > > > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all

other > > sims > > > > > > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day igot > > it > > > > > > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they > > don't > > > > > > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas > > wheel > > > > > > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if ican't

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> > > > > > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i > > would > > > > > > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this > > > > > > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make > > there > > > > > > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here are my specs > > > > > > p4 1.3 > > > > > > sb live digtial > > > > > > geforce gts 32mb > > > > > > win me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

One clarification - when I mean no software I mean Profiler etc. It's really designed for sim/joystick developers who want to implement a USB solution for their hardware, so it's their responsibility to implement the value-add software like Profilers etc. It comes with some config software for setting the card up. Check out www.sim-addicts.com and read the literature for yourself. "Seymour Butts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ao2_7.38949$[email hidden]... > It's comparable to the PDPI in many respects. It requires no drivers and > comes with no software (uses standard Microsoft HID drivers), and works > under Win9x/2k/XP. The card is standalone and sits externally from the PC. > It's really designed to be mounted inside your wheel or a housing thatsits > between your wheel and the PC. It has a 15pin gameport connector so theTSW

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> will plug into it directly and a USB connection to the PC end. To order, > just email them. > > > "96ImpalaSS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2P_Z7.55495$[email hidden]... > > Seymour > > > > I'm a little confused about the sims-addict card. Would this be

comparable > > to a PDPI solution except it's PCI instead of ISA? I understand it > converts > > the analog to USB but can I also assume it uses a standard joystick > > conneection? I didn't see an order form on their site. Do you emailthem

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> to > > order? > > > > "Seymour Butts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:kvMZ7.36397$[email hidden]... > > > Yes - I have one. I also have the Rockfire USB, and the Sim-Addicts > > > solution works like a dream. No jitter, maintains a high resolution. > > > > > > I've only tested it with 100K pots, but technically it should work

with > > any > > > pot range. > > > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:hAFZ7.848$[email hidden]... > > > > Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim addicts? Itried

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> a > > > > rockfire usb convertor but did not like its performance. > > > > > > > > Any info would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > DC > > > > Seymour Butts <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:MwAZ7.35537$[email hidden]... > > > > > The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with

Interrupts" > on > > > the > > > > > Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF. > > > > > > > > > > Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the50K

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> > > > Spectrol > > > > > pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a > > dodgy > > > > > gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other > > option > > > > is > > > > > to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd > > haver > > > to > > > > > upgrade your pots to 100K... > > > > > > > > > > The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB

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> > :- > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sim-addicts.com/products.htm > > > > > > > > > > The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it > claims > > to > > > > > solve jitter issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a

while > > back > > > > > > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search > on > > > > > > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i > called > > > > > > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it upto

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> > my > > > > > > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to > try > > > > > > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to > stop > > > > > > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i > > would > > > > > > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start > > > > > > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck > with > > a > > > > > > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over > the > > > > > > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all

other > > sims > > > > > > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day igot > > it > > > > > > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they > > don't > > > > > > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas > > wheel > > > > > > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if ican't

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> > > > > > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i > > would > > > > > > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this > > > > > > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make > > there > > > > > > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here are my specs > > > > > > p4 1.3 > > > > > > sb live digtial > > > > > > geforce gts 32mb > > > > > > win me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

One clarification - when I mean no software I mean Profiler etc. It's really designed for sim/joystick developers who want to implement a USB solution for their hardware, so it's their responsibility to implement the value-add software like Profilers etc. It comes with some config software for setting the card up. Check out www.sim-addicts.com and read the literature for yourself. "Seymour Butts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ao2_7.38949$[email hidden]... > It's comparable to the PDPI in many respects. It requires no drivers and > comes with no software (uses standard Microsoft HID drivers), and works > under Win9x/2k/XP. The card is standalone and sits externally from the PC. > It's really designed to be mounted inside your wheel or a housing thatsits > between your wheel and the PC. It has a 15pin gameport connector so theTSW

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> will plug into it directly and a USB connection to the PC end. To order, > just email them. > > > "96ImpalaSS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2P_Z7.55495$[email hidden]... > > Seymour > > > > I'm a little confused about the sims-addict card. Would this be

comparable > > to a PDPI solution except it's PCI instead of ISA? I understand it > converts > > the analog to USB but can I also assume it uses a standard joystick > > conneection? I didn't see an order form on their site. Do you emailthem

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> to > > order? > > > > "Seymour Butts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:kvMZ7.36397$[email hidden]... > > > Yes - I have one. I also have the Rockfire USB, and the Sim-Addicts > > > solution works like a dream. No jitter, maintains a high resolution. > > > > > > I've only tested it with 100K pots, but technically it should work

with > > any > > > pot range. > > > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:hAFZ7.848$[email hidden]... > > > > Seymour ...have you used one of those cards from sim addicts? Itried

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> a > > > > rockfire usb convertor but did not like its performance. > > > > > > > > Any info would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > DC > > > > Seymour Butts <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:MwAZ7.35537$[email hidden]... > > > > > The first place I start is to make sure that "Poll with

Interrupts" > on > > > the > > > > > Game Controllers/Controller ID Assignment page is turned OFF. > > > > > > > > > > Next, the SB Live generally has a very stable gameport, and the50K

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> > > > Spectrol > > > > > pots used by TSW are of the highest quality... Just to discount a > > dodgy > > > > > gameport, maybe borrow a friends sound card and try it. The other > > option > > > > is > > > > > to use the Rockfire USB converter you can buy from TSW, but you'd > > haver > > > to > > > > > upgrade your pots to 100K... > > > > > > > > > > The other option is to take a look at this Gameport to USB

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> > :- > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sim-addicts.com/products.htm > > > > > > > > > > The cut-down Analog only controller is costly at US$99, but it > claims > > to > > > > > solve jitter issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a

while > > back > > > > > > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try.a search > on > > > > > > google shows im not the only one that this has happened to. i > called > > > > > > dave thomas and he said that it was on my end so i hooked it upto

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> > my > > > > > > other box still the same thing well he sent me some new pots to > try > > > > > > that was no help now im finding out that i need a lpdi card to > stop > > > > > > this but i have no isa slot so that want help me neither .now i > > would > > > > > > like to know why in the world did'nt he tell me that to start > > > > > > with(sure would have saved me a lot of trouble)so now im stuck > with > > a > > > > > > $400 dollar wheel that want calibrate with out jumping all over > the > > > > > > place.in gpl you can see the wheel twitching an also in all

other > > sims > > > > > > i have .my lwff dose not do this and is as smooth as the day igot > > it > > > > > > two years ago and if it ever dies i will be screwed because they > > don't > > > > > > make them with the steel cable any more. i went with the thomas > > wheel > > > > > > because it was going to be easy to upgrade later on but if ican't

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> > > > > > make it stop doing the jitter bug it is of no use to me at all.i > > would > > > > > > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this > > > > > > problem. they should tell you that you need a extra card to make > > there > > > > > > wheel work right. but instead they blame it on the end user. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here are my specs > > > > > > p4 1.3 > > > > > > sb live digtial > > > > > > geforce gts 32mb > > > > > > win me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Mine works fine, and I don't have any ISA slots on my system. I use a PCI Sound Blaster Live X-Gamer 5.1 I recommend the wheel to anyone who is in the market for a nice piece of hardware. I've had mine since 1996 and it's still as smooth as the day I got it.. (Replaced the pots a few times through the years) With the TSW warranty system, and great customer service, I'd imagine if the wheel is still new, you could send it back and get your money back.. Hope you get it to work on your system, cause your missing out on a great wheel otherwise! Mick [email hidden] wrote: > > Hi all maybe someone can help me .i bought a thomas wheel a while back > and i can't make it stop jittering no matter what i try. <edit>.i would > not recommend that any one buy this wheel at all becase of this > problem.<edit>

In article <wn0_7.4821$[email hidden]>, "Robert Jordan" <[email hidden]> writes: >Well if TSW wont stand behind their products and accept a return, I would >say we should not support this product and buy another comparible wheel that >does not have design problem and has better customer support > I don't know if you can TOTALLY blame TSW. After all, I have the exact same wheel, and it works just fine with my PDPI. Would you also boycott Creative Labs? The problem only manifests itself with THEIR card... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

well i can't really say if the wheel is good nor bad. it is unusable at the moment it takes big jump to the right left seems to be ok and if you turn right it goes all at once new pots want fix it.when dave sent me the pots he said it was probably on my end .well i put in the pots still the same thing ,they knew about this but didn't tell me i have tried everything but couldn't get it to stop.now i have to spend another $100.00 buck's just to get there wheel to work right .i have not had this problem with the other two wheel's i have.both are logitech's one is non ff one is ff neither one jumps at all on the same sb live card that i hooked the tsw to.for the money i have already put in to this wheel i think it should have worked right out of the box like all the other's no hidden cost's or fee's just plug it in and it works.but the game card will fix it so all is not lost. ps.when i found out that they knew this. and also that alot of others have this same problem well that 's what got my goat.it's not the wheel exactly it's the pots they use i guess.now i gottta tell my wife i have to sink more money in to my gameing box hehehe

Hmm. TSW2 Modified on a SoundBlaster Live Value and never had a problem. Scott PA-Scott "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>,[email hidden]

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> writes: > > >here are my specs > >p4 1.3 > >sb live digtial > >geforce gts 32mb > >win me > > > > I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No, you're not

the > only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem.He > contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told, yes the > problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, notwithout a > PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uwe posts here > occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up somefacts...

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> Sorry... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Agreed. Scott PA-Scott "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Qu0_7.28235$[email hidden]... > Have you called and talked with them? I think you'll find most owners ofthe

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> TSW line of wheels are very happy with theirs, and will attest that Thomas > offers great support. > > Don Burnette > > "Robert Jordan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wn0_7.4821$[email hidden]... > > Well if TSW wont stand behind their products and accept a return, I

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> > say we should not support this product and buy another comparible wheel > that > > does not have design problem and has better customer support > > > > > > "96ImpalaSS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:oJ_Z7.55493$[email hidden]... > > > Don, I also have this huge jitter issue with my 1997 TSW2 and always > have > > > with my SB Live! Gamer 5.1. I was lucky enough to get a PDPI and still > use > > > it with my current rig. Using it in the SB Live! Gamer port made it > > > unplayable. It's one of the reasons I haven't upgraded my system since > ISA > > > is becoming a dinosaur. I guess I will be trying to get it to convert > to > > > USB or get one of the sim-addicts cards when I upgrade my system > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > yes it's going to the sb live gameport. > > > > >Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same problem. He > > > > >>contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told,

yes > > the > > > > >>problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well, > not > > > without a > > > > >>PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. > > > > they should warn you of this on there web site . this has really puta > > > > bad taste in my mouth .but it has taught me a very good lesson > > > > also.heck if it didn't make my driving in gpl so crazy i never know > > > > what the car is going to do sometime's. but any way the lwff isgreat

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> > > > for now . > > > > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 05 Jan 2002 18:03:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP)

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> > > > > > > > >In article <[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] > > > > >writes: > > > > > > > > > >>here are my specs > > > > >>p4 1.3 > > > > >>sb live digtial > > > > >>geforce gts 32mb > > > > >>win me > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >I assume you're connecting the TSW to your SBLive, right? No,

you're > > not > > > the > > > > >only one with this problem. Uwe Schuerkamp(GPLRank) has the same > > > problem. He > > > > >contacted TSW(corresponded with Dave Jr, I think). He was told,yes > > the > > > > >problem exist, and no, there's nothing he can do about it. Well,not > > > without a > > > > >PDPI card, which you guys can't use because of your mobo. Uweposts

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> > here > > > > >occasionally, so I'm sure he'll set me straight if I've messed up > some > > > facts... > > > > >Sorry... > > > > > > > > > >Eldred > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Not trying to be a smartass but your posts are enough to give someone a headache trying to read the run-ons without anything near proper punctuation and capitalization. TSW2 Modified on a SoundBlaster Live Value and have never had a problem here. Not saying your problem doesn't exist, but I haven't witnessed it on my end. I hope you find a solution as the TSW wheel is excellent. Scott PA-Scott <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> well i can't really say if the wheel is good nor bad. it is unusable > at the moment it takes big jump to the right left seems to be ok and > if you turn right it goes all at once new pots want fix it.when dave > sent me the pots he said it was probably on my end .well i put in the > pots still the same thing ,they knew about this but didn't tell me i > have tried everything but couldn't get it to stop.now i have to spend > another $100.00 buck's just to get there wheel to work right .i have > not had this problem with the other two wheel's i have.both are > logitech's one is non ff one is ff neither one jumps at all on the > same sb live card that i hooked the tsw to.for the money i have > already put in to this wheel i think it should have worked right out > of the box like all the other's no hidden cost's or fee's just plug it > in and it works.but the game card will fix it so all is not lost. > > ps.when i found out that they knew this. and also that alot of others > have this same problem well that 's what got my goat.it's not the > wheel exactly it's the pots they use i guess.now i gottta tell my wife > i have to sink more money in to my gameing box hehehe

Why can't you just send it back and get a refund? I'm not sure what pots they use now a days, but I get mine from Digikey (# RV4NJ104C-ND) They're 100K 2W Carbon and cost about 5 bucks each.. They are great pots IMO.. That's all there is to an analog wheel/pedal system.. The hardware just turns the pots.. The problem you describe sounds exactly like a bad pot.. The veering while racing, along with the twitching while calibrating. So I can understand why they wouldn't suggest that you needed to buy a new card.. But since your having a problem with it, you should just send it back and get a refund.

Eldred, Same here.. I have absolutely no problems with the TSW on my SB Live.. And neither do thousands of other people.. I've suggested that the guy just send it back for a refund.. I've never heard a bad word mentioned about TSW before this thread, so I would imagine they have a decent return policy.. I know they have a lifetime warranty on the units themselves.. EldredP wrote:

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> > In article <wn0_7.4821$[email hidden]>, "Robert > Jordan" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Well if TSW wont stand behind their products and accept a return, I would > >say we should not support this product and buy another comparible wheel that > >does not have design problem and has better customer support > > > > I don't know if you can TOTALLY blame TSW. After all, I have the exact same > wheel, and it works just fine with my PDPI. Would you also boycott Creative > Labs? The problem only manifests itself with THEIR card... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I just saw where you said this happens on two separate PC's?? I'm wondering, are you *positive* that it's not just a bad pot?? Have them send you some new pots, before you spend any money on upgrading the game card! Good Luck!

Actually, I used it on a Live for several years, and am now using it on an Audigy with just as good success. Don Burnette "Mick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Eldred, > Same here.. I have absolutely no problems with the TSW on my SB Live.. > And neither do thousands of other people.. I've suggested that the guy > just send it back for a refund.. I've never heard a bad word mentioned > about TSW before this thread, so I would imagine they have a decent > return policy.. I know they have a lifetime warranty on the units > themselves.. > > EldredP wrote: > > > > In article <wn0_7.4821$[email hidden]>,

"Robert > > Jordan" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Well if TSW wont stand behind their products and accept a return, Iwould > > >say we should not support this product and buy another comparible wheelthat > > >does not have design problem and has better customer support > > > > > > > I don't know if you can TOTALLY blame TSW. After all, I have the exactsame > > wheel, and it works just fine with my PDPI. Would you also boycottCreative

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> > Labs? The problem only manifests itself with THEIR card... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

anyone know if the sim addicts group is still open for business? No reply to emails? DC Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7oq_7.31711$[email hidden]...

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> Actually, I used it on a Live for several years, and am now using it on an > Audigy with just as good success. > > Don Burnette > > "Mick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Eldred, > > Same here.. I have absolutely no problems with the TSW on my SB Live.. > > And neither do thousands of other people.. I've suggested that the guy > > just send it back for a refund.. I've never heard a bad word mentioned > > about TSW before this thread, so I would imagine they have a decent > > return policy.. I know they have a lifetime warranty on the units > > themselves.. > > > > EldredP wrote: > > > > > > In article <wn0_7.4821$[email hidden]>, > "Robert > > > Jordan" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > >Well if TSW wont stand behind their products and accept a return, I > would > > > >say we should not support this product and buy another comparible

wheel > that > > > >does not have design problem and has better customer support > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if you can TOTALLY blame TSW. After all, I have theexact

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> same > > > wheel, and it works just fine with my PDPI. Would you also boycott > Creative > > > Labs? The problem only manifests itself with THEIR card... > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then

beats > you > > > with experience... > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

In article <igl_7.9394$[email hidden]>, "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> writes: >Hmm. > >TSW2 Modified on a SoundBlaster Live Value and never had a problem. > >Scott >PA-Scott Well, you must have gotten lucky. Do you run F1 2001? I've heard of the same combination causing problems, from several different people. SBLive+TSW+F1 2001 = unplayable. Swap any one of those components, and it works fine. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <igl_7.9394$[email hidden]>, "Scott B. Husted" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Hmm. > > > >TSW2 Modified on a SoundBlaster Live Value and never had a problem. > > > >Scott > >PA-Scott > > Well, you must have gotten lucky. Do you run F1 2001? I've heard of the

same > combination causing problems, from several different people.SBLive+TSW+F1 > 2001 = unplayable. Swap any one of those components, and it works fine. > > Eldred I ran F12001 on a Live and TSW with no issues, doing the same now with an Audigy. Don Burnette

Eldred, No, haven't tried F2001 so I can't say. But I've never had a problem in any other sim, well... Split axis wouldn't work during beta testing of Motor City Online, but other than that no problems at all. Didn't Tom Pabst post something about the loading of "something" in Win98SE that can lead to problems with Live cards and the gameport? Sorry I can't be specific but I truly forget what it was. I'm pretty sure I read that in one of his "tips" posts before. Scott PA-Scott "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <igl_7.9394$[email hidden]>, "Scott B. Husted" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Hmm. > > > >TSW2 Modified on a SoundBlaster Live Value and never had a problem. > > > >Scott > >PA-Scott > > Well, you must have gotten lucky. Do you run F1 2001? I've heard of the

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> 2001 = unplayable. Swap any one of those components, and it works fine. > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Eldred, > >No, haven't tried F2001 so I can't say. But I've never had a problem in any >other sim, well... Split axis wouldn't work during beta testing of Motor >City Online, but other than that no problems at all. Didn't Tom Pabst post >something about the loading of "something" in Win98SE that can lead to >problems with Live cards and the gameport? Sorry I can't be specific but I >truly forget what it was. > >I'm pretty sure I read that in one of his "tips" posts before.

It seems to be a combination of things that occurs just often enough that I've heard of 3 or 4 people with problems. It's probably such a small percentage of sales that they don't worry about it? I can't get mine to work with MTBR in split-axis mode - has anyone else gotten it to work? If so, how did you configure it? It worked just FINE with the demo, but not in the retail game. Grrr... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 05:03:23 GMT, Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote: > I ran F12001 on a Live and TSW with no issues, doing the same now with an > Audigy. Don, did you use split axis mode? the tsw2 works with f1 2001 only in combined (read "degraded" ;-) axis mode. cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 05:03:23 GMT, Don Burnette <[email hidden]>wrote: > > > > I ran F12001 on a Live and TSW with no issues, doing the same now withan

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No, I don't have the split axis setup yet. Don Burnette

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>On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 05:03:23 GMT, Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> I ran F12001 on a Live and TSW with no issues, doing the same now with an >> Audigy. > >Don, did you use split axis mode? the tsw2 works with f1 2001 >only in combined (read "degraded" ;-) axis mode.

Depends on your game port. Mine works in split-axis in F1 2001, with a PDPI. We gotta get yours working... I'm sure it can be done. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 10 Jan 2002 21:34:43 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > We gotta get yours working... I'm sure it can be done. Ach, you just want to get me away from GPL so you can walk / drive all over me ;-) cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

In article <[email hidden]>, Uwe Schuerkamp <[email hidden]> writes: >On 10 Jan 2002 21:34:43 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> We gotta get yours working... I'm sure it can be done. > >Ach, you just want to get me away from GPL so you can walk / >drive all over me ;-) Hoover, I'm lucky if I can get within two ROWS of you...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>> > I ran F12001 on a Live and TSW with no issues, doing the >> > same now with an Audigy. >> >> Don, did you use split axis mode? the tsw2 works with f1 >> 2001 only in combined (read "degraded" ;-) axis mode. >> >> cheers, >> >> uwe >> > > No, I don't have the split axis setup yet. > > Don Burnette

If F1-2001 is similar in joystick setup to F1-2000, it can be done. I got my TSW(mod) with split axis working in F1-2000 through fiddling with DXTweak.exe to get the accel/brake axis set up to the games liking and holding one/both pedals down while the game started so the game could actually see both axis. -Dirt-

Hi dirt...Is your tsw plugged into the game port or a game card? DC Chris Cavin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >> > I ran F12001 on a Live and TSW with no issues, doing the > >> > same now with an Audigy. > >> > >> Don, did you use split axis mode? the tsw2 works with f1 > >> 2001 only in combined (read "degraded" ;-) axis mode. > >> > >> cheers, > >> > >> uwe > >> > > > > No, I don't have the split axis setup yet. > > > > Don Burnette > > > If F1-2001 is similar in joystick setup to F1-2000, > it can be done. I got my TSW(mod) with split axis > working in F1-2000 through fiddling with DXTweak.exe > to get the accel/brake axis set up to the games liking > and holding one/both pedals down while the game > started so the game could actually see both axis. > > -Dirt-

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>> If F1-2001 is similar in joystick setup to F1-2000, it can >> be done. I got my TSW(mod) with split axis working in >> F1-2000 through fiddling with DXTweak.exe to get the >> accel/brake axis set up to the games liking and holding >> one/both pedals down while the game started so the game >> could actually see both axis. >> >> -Dirt- > > > Hi dirt...Is your tsw plugged into the game port or a game > card? > > DC

It's plugged into a PDIP-L4 game card. If I recall correctly, the TSW uses only half the pot's axis. Say, 50-100 of a full range of 1-100. I had to manually adjust the start increment on the axis to 50 using DXTweak.exe because F1-2000 saw the full 1-100 range, not the calibrated 50-100 range. I believe I did that on both the accelerator axis and the brake axis. If you don't use DXTweak.exe than the game won't register any input until you hit the 50 mark, which would be half way through the range of motion and make the pedal an on-off switch. To get F1-2000 to see the separate brake axis I had to hold the brake (and possibly the accelerator) down BEFORE I started the game and through the startup until the game was fully stared. Can't remember if I had to hold them until I got to the calib. screen, though. -Dirt-