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21 posts by 10 people · 08 Jan 2002 06:53 UTC - 10 Jan 2002 18:00 UTC

Recovering a broken Windows 98 install without reformatting

ymenard asked for help fixing a badly broken Windows 98 system without losing data on a full hard drive. Replies suggested scanreg /restore, reinstalling Windows over the top, adding a new drive, or moving to Windows XP or GoBack for easier rollback. Don Scurlock explained how Registry Checker stores backups in SYSBCKUP, though ymenard found his only backup dated from April 2001.

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ymenard 08 Jan 2002 06:53 UTC#142851
I'm having a serious problem at the moment. Guys, please help me. I'm using somebody else's computer so I will try everything possible to sortout my problem. I'm really in deep shite if I'm forced to format 'cause I don't want to lose all the info I have (I can't partition my HD because it's full) Let's recap a little bit :) I load up Rally Trophy, and I see that my calibration is out of range. I load up the Windows 98 game control panel, and I see that it's not calibrated correctly. I load up the dxinput utility to reset the calibration range. It doesn't work, so I then install Thrustmapper. Of course, after installing it I restarted my computer as asked. BUT... when I booted up again I found out that everything in my windows "device manager" had dissapeared. Yes, you know... right-click on MyComputer/Properties/Device Manager. I see nothing there, it has all dissapeared. Is there a place where Windows has backed up and stored the information found in that panel??? Is this found in the registry? I still have all my drivers present, they are just not associated anymore so I'm stuck in safe-mode. Please, somebody help me. I only have 10minutes on this PC I can use, so I'll only check out the email 2-3 times tomorrow. Email me at [email hidden] Thank you to anybody who can help me, you will be rewarded by my gratitude. -- Francois Menard -- ymenard
Yes I can help you....get out your checkbook, buy a new one... good luck obi-wan...I hope you find a guru to fix everything. dave henrie "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (29 lines)> I'm having a serious problem at the moment. Guys, please help me. > I'm using somebody else's computer so I will try everything possible > to sortout my problem. I'm really in deep shite if I'm forced to > format 'cause I don't want to lose all the info I have (I can't > partition my HD because it's full) > > > Let's recap a little bit :) I load up Rally Trophy, and I see that > my calibration is out of range. I load up the Windows 98 game control > panel, and I see that it's not calibrated correctly. I load up the > dxinput utility to reset the calibration range. It doesn't work, so I > then install Thrustmapper. Of course, after installing it I restarted > my computer as asked. > > BUT... when I booted up again I found out that everything in my > windows "device manager" had dissapeared. Yes, you know... > right-click on MyComputer/Properties/Device Manager. I see nothing > there, it has all dissapeared. Is there a place where Windows has > backed up and stored the information found in that panel??? Is this > found in the registry? I still have all my drivers present, they are > just not associated anymore so I'm stuck in safe-mode. Please, > somebody help me. I only have 10minutes on this PC I can use, so I'll > only check out the email 2-3 times tomorrow. Email me at > [email hidden] Thank you to anybody who can help me, you > will be rewarded by my gratitude. > > > -- Francois Menard > -- ymenard
>"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote > Yes I can help you....get out your checkbook, buy a new one... > good luck obi-wan...I hope you find a guru to fix everything. LOL :) Thanks for those who said to use scanreg /restore (Steve, Will, Kevin, etc..). My last registry was of April 2001, but it's better the none. It looks like the information found in the Device Manager is stored in that. A couple of stuff will need to be updated to their current version, but that's mostly all. Windows doesn't want to sort by type, but I'll find a way around that. :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
A Win system needs a reformat once every 6 months to run smooth anyway. :) If you want to start fresh, get a new HD, (You said it was full) install the old one as slave or second and keep it intact for a year or till you need the space. This way you can pick the files you need when you need them. If you try to backup your drive and then reformat it, there will always be something you forgot to save. Jone.
Boot to DOS, (press F8 a few times after it leaves the first screen on a cold boot. Make sure your CD is workinmg in DOS. Run setup.exe from the Win 98 CD and install Win 98. With luck it will pickup existing settings, and reinstall the drivers as the inf files will or should still be known my Windows. Before that, run any diagnostic progras lkike Nortons, Scandisk, that you are able to in Safe Mode to minimise any further issues
Marc 08 Jan 2002 21:56 UTC↳ reply to ymenard#142764
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:smz_7.6202$[email hidden]... > Thanks for those who said to use scanreg /restore (Steve, Will, Kevin, > etc..). My last registry was of April 2001, but it's better the none. It > looks like the information found in the Device Manager is stored in that.A > couple of stuff will need to be updated to their current version, butthat's > mostly all. Windows doesn't want to sort by type, but I'll find a way > around that. :) Backup your registry manually then you want have that problem again. Another option is to get WinXP. With WinXP you can restore the reg to last good one, restore complete system, roll back any driver to the last one. XP is great for when you run into these kinds of problems, which everyone will at some time or another. But if your harddrive goes down then you are SOL unless you fork out the money for something like Norton's Ghost or Drivecopy. With these programs you can make an image file of any partiton or harddrive and resotre it in a matter of minutes. You will need a cdr to back them up onto though.
BRH 08 Jan 2002 23:23 UTC↳ reply to Marc#142693
This won't help you deal with the immediate situation either, but if you don't want to go to Windows XP, I would recommend GoBack, by Roxio. It has saved my bacon countless times, and would have corrected this particular problem for you, as well. The only downside: It takes up 10% of your HD space for it's history file. Good Luck. Crass wrote:
Quoted text (20 lines)> "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:smz_7.6202$[email hidden]... > > Thanks for those who said to use scanreg /restore (Steve, Will, Kevin, > > etc..). My last registry was of April 2001, but it's better the none. It > > looks like the information found in the Device Manager is stored in that. > A > > couple of stuff will need to be updated to their current version, but > that's > > mostly all. Windows doesn't want to sort by type, but I'll find a way > > around that. :) > > Backup your registry manually then you want have that problem again. Another > option is to get WinXP. With WinXP you can restore the reg to last good one, > restore complete system, roll back any driver to the last one. XP is great > for when you run into these kinds of problems, which everyone will at some > time or another. But if your harddrive goes down then you are SOL unless you > fork out the money for something like Norton's Ghost or Drivecopy. With > these programs you can make an image file of any partiton or harddrive and > resotre it in a matter of minutes. You will need a cdr to back them up onto > though.
-- Bert
ymenard 09 Jan 2002 00:12 UTC↳ reply to Marc#142704
>"Crass" <[email hidden]> wrote > Backup your registry manually then you want have that problem again. Yeah well I was almost sure that Win98SE backed up the registry at least once a week. I was wrong. I'm just over-confident over my PC. Eh :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
Marc 09 Jan 2002 01:38 UTC↳ reply to ymenard#142724
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hWL_7.6592$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (8 lines)> >"Crass" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Backup your registry manually then you want have that problem again. > > > Yeah well I was almost sure that Win98SE backed up the registry at least > once a week. I was wrong. > > I'm just over-confident over my PC. Eh :)
I thought it was supposed to back it up every day.
BRH, I'm a GoBack fan, too, but what is your experience with its effect on games? I ininstalled mine because I thought it was interfering with performance as it scrambled to back up things that were going on. Brian "BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > This won't help you deal with the immediate situation either, but if youdon't > want to go to Windows XP, I would recommend GoBack, by Roxio. It hassaved my > bacon countless times, and would have corrected this particular problemfor you, > as well. The only downside: It takes up 10% of your HD space for it'shistory
Quoted text (12 lines)> file. > > Good Luck. > > > > Crass wrote: > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:smz_7.6202$[email hidden]... > > > Thanks for those who said to use scanreg /restore (Steve, Will, Kevin, > > > etc..). My last registry was of April 2001, but it's better the none.
It > > > looks like the information found in the Device Manager is stored inthat.
Quoted text (7 lines)> > A > > > couple of stuff will need to be updated to their current version, but > > that's > > > mostly all. Windows doesn't want to sort by type, but I'll find a way > > > around that. :) > > > > Backup your registry manually then you want have that problem again.
Another > > option is to get WinXP. With WinXP you can restore the reg to last goodone, > > restore complete system, roll back any driver to the last one. XP isgreat > > for when you run into these kinds of problems, which everyone will atsome > > time or another. But if your harddrive goes down then you are SOL unlessyou > > fork out the money for something like Norton's Ghost or Drivecopy. With > > these programs you can make an image file of any partiton or harddriveand > > resotre it in a matter of minutes. You will need a cdr to back them uponto > > though. > > -- > Bert > >
ymenard 09 Jan 2002 04:05 UTC↳ reply to Marc#142642
>"Crass" <[email hidden]> wrote > I thought it was supposed to back it up every day. Yeah well it looks like mine doesn't :( Speaking of this, I'm unable to sort files by Type in my folders. Even if I'm forcing "Like current folders" or even if I reset all the folders. Each time I go to another folder, it comes back to sorting them by date (which makes no sense). -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
"ymenard" > Speaking of this, I'm unable to sort files by Type in my folders. Even if > I'm forcing "Like current folders" or even if I reset all the folders.Each > time I go to another folder, it comes back to sorting them by date (which > makes no sense). This is Windows we are talking about right????? ???? ????? dave henrie
Dave Henrie 09 Jan 2002 04:49 UTC#528781
"ymenard" This is Windows we are talking about right????? ???? ????? dave henrie
[email hidden] (ymenard) wrote in <1kP_7.7040$[email hidden]>: >>"Crass" <[email hidden]> wrote >> I thought it was supposed to back it up every day. > >Yeah well it looks like mine doesn't :( Windows Registry Checker automatically backs up and checks for errors in the registry every time you boot up, assuming you have it enabled. Go to Start\Programs\Accessories\System Tools\System Information, click on Tools, System Configuration Ultility, Startup, and make sure the box ScanRegistry is checked. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -15.83 MonsterRank 87.25 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://newgplrank.schuerkamp.de/
>"Don Scurlock" <[email hidden]> wrote > Windows Registry Checker automatically backs up and checks for errors inthe > registry every time you boot up, assuming you have it enabled. > Go to Start\Programs\Accessories\System Tools\System Information, click on > Tools, System Configuration Ultility, Startup, and make sure the box > ScanRegistry is checked. Well it's sure checked, if something like that happens again how can I restore from the previous registry? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
[email hidden] (ymenard) wrote in <O_W_7.22672$[email hidden]>:
Quoted text (11 lines)>>"Don Scurlock" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Windows Registry Checker automatically backs up and checks for errors in >the >> registry every time you boot up, assuming you have it enabled. >> Go to Start\Programs\Accessories\System Tools\System Information, click on >> Tools, System Configuration Ultility, Startup, and make sure the box >> ScanRegistry is checked. > > >Well it's sure checked, if something like that happens again how can I >restore from the previous registry?
Assuming you've booted up five times with Registry Checker enabled, the last five registry backups are stored in the C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP directory. the files will be rb00x.cab (the highest number x will be the most recent) You can also force a registry backup at any time by hitting Start, then Run, then entering scanregw. Good thing to do before trying anything dicey on your system as you'll be able to restore to the moment before you did anything. To restore: 1) Reboot to the command promt(hold down the Ctrl key at restart, and choose option 5 from the startup menu) 2)At the commmand promt, type: scanreg/restore and press Enter. Registry Checker will scan the registry again and display the last five most recent backups listed by date. Highlight the one you want to restore and hit Enter. Press enter again to restart. Go through the whole process, force a backup, see the file in the SYSBCKUP directory, and do a restore. That way you'll remember next time shit hits the fan. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -15.83 MonsterRank 87.25 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://newgplrank.schuerkamp.de/
I've had Goback on my system for the past 2 years or so, and I have noticed no performance hit on games whatsoever. After first installing, there's a LOTS of hard drive activity. Same thing when upgrading from one version to another. But after that, I see no negatives to it -- as long as you can sacrifice 10% of your hard drive space. That said, I hope that it doesn't create any problems for me when I install my new motherboard this weekend (using the same HD and other system components). I don't expect it to cause any problems.... (Knock wood) Phantom wrote:
Quoted text (60 lines)> BRH, > > I'm a GoBack fan, too, but what is your experience with its effect on games? > I ininstalled mine because I thought it was interfering with performance as > it scrambled to back up things that were going on. > > Brian > > "BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > This won't help you deal with the immediate situation either, but if you > don't > > want to go to Windows XP, I would recommend GoBack, by Roxio. It has > saved my > > bacon countless times, and would have corrected this particular problem > for you, > > as well. The only downside: It takes up 10% of your HD space for it's > history > > file. > > > > Good Luck. > > > > > > > > Crass wrote: > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:smz_7.6202$[email hidden]... > > > > Thanks for those who said to use scanreg /restore (Steve, Will, Kevin, > > > > etc..). My last registry was of April 2001, but it's better the none. > It > > > > looks like the information found in the Device Manager is stored in > that. > > > A > > > > couple of stuff will need to be updated to their current version, but > > > that's > > > > mostly all. Windows doesn't want to sort by type, but I'll find a way > > > > around that. :) > > > > > > Backup your registry manually then you want have that problem again. > Another > > > option is to get WinXP. With WinXP you can restore the reg to last good > one, > > > restore complete system, roll back any driver to the last one. XP is > great > > > for when you run into these kinds of problems, which everyone will at > some > > > time or another. But if your harddrive goes down then you are SOL unless > you > > > fork out the money for something like Norton's Ghost or Drivecopy. With > > > these programs you can make an image file of any partiton or harddrive > and > > > resotre it in a matter of minutes. You will need a cdr to back them up > onto > > > though. > > > > -- > > Bert > > > >
-- Bert
>"Don Scurlock" <[email hidden]> wrote > Registry Checker will scan the registry again and display the last fivemost > recent backups listed by date. Highlight the one you want to restore andhit > Enter. Press enter again to restart. Well that's exactly what I did to restore back when I had the problem two days ago, but the only registry backups were dated of April 2001. Weird! ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
[email hidden] (ymenard) wrote in <1S5%7.27585$[email hidden]>: >Well that's exactly what I did to restore back when I had the problem two >days ago, but the only registry backups were dated of April 2001. > > >Weird! ;-) I can only assume that Registry Checker has been disabled since then. Windows does have an annoying habit of losing settings, perhaps it got disabled after a BSOD event. Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -15.83 MonsterRank 87.25 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://newgplrank.schuerkamp.de/
How do you do this in Win 2k? "Don Scurlock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (10 lines)> [email hidden] (ymenard) wrote in > <1kP_7.7040$[email hidden]>: > > >>"Crass" <[email hidden]> wrote > >> I thought it was supposed to back it up every day. > > > >Yeah well it looks like mine doesn't :( > > > Windows Registry Checker automatically backs up and checks for errors in
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Quoted text (15 lines)> registry every time you boot up, assuming you have it enabled. > Go to Start\Programs\Accessories\System Tools\System Information, click on > Tools, System Configuration Ultility, Startup, and make sure the box > ScanRegistry is checked. > > > -- > Don Scurlock > Vancouver,B.C. > > GPLRank -15.83 > MonsterRank 87.25 > > Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site > http://newgplrank.schuerkamp.de/
[email hidden] (Stuart Becktell) wrote in <0kf%7.51788$[email hidden]>: >How do you do this in Win 2k? Couldn't tell you Stuart, I'm sticking with Win98 for now. Enter Registry backup/restore in your Help search and at Microsofts site, I'm sure you'll find the info. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -15.83 MonsterRank 87.25 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://newgplrank.schuerkamp.de/

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