Why No F12001 GT Mod Discussion?

Has anyone here bothered to try this yet? I posted news of it's release four days ago but almost no discussion. It seems pretty damn great to me, and I thought this newsgroup was wanting something like this for a long time. The physics aren't finalized yet, the AI needs some work, and there are a few bugs, but I'm still very surprised at seeing no reaction here to this add-on. David G Fisher

After hearing that it only works in Grand Prix mode I decided not to try. At the very least I would want Test Day and Quick Race to work before I would install it. I would also like a real installer for it. ;o) "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:i98%7.366058$[email hidden]... > Has anyone here bothered to try this yet? I posted news of it'srelease four > days ago but almost no discussion. It seems pretty damn great to me,and I > thought this newsgroup was wanting something like this for a longtime. > > The physics aren't finalized yet, the AI needs some work, and thereare a > few bugs, but I'm still very surprised at seeing no reaction here tothis

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Until it can be run online well............thanks, but not thanks :) -John David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:i98%7.366058$[email hidden]... > Has anyone here bothered to try this yet? I posted news of it's releasefour

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> days ago but almost no discussion. It seems pretty damn great to me, and I > thought this newsgroup was wanting something like this for a long time. > > The physics aren't finalized yet, the AI needs some work, and there are a > few bugs, but I'm still very surprised at seeing no reaction here to this > add-on. > > David G Fisher > > > >

You can practice all you like on any track in GP mode . You're missing out something very good. :-) Installation seemed like it would be a pain at first, but it's actually pretty easy. David G Fisher "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a1j3th$qttbi$[email hidden]... > After hearing that it only works in Grand Prix mode I decided not to > try. At the very least I would want Test Day and Quick Race to work > before I would install it. I would also like a real installer for it. > ;o)

Sounded unfinished...plus I dinna have F1 2001...:) dave henrie "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:i98%7.366058$[email hidden]... > Has anyone here bothered to try this yet? I posted news of it's releasefour

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> days ago but almost no discussion. It seems pretty damn great to me, and I > thought this newsgroup was wanting something like this for a long time. > > The physics aren't finalized yet, the AI needs some work, and there are a > few bugs, but I'm still very surprised at seeing no reaction here to this > add-on. > > David G Fisher > > > >

Good news. It does work in test day and quick race. Just set the grid order to random in the rules options. David G Fisher "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a1j3th$qttbi$[email hidden]...

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> After hearing that it only works in Grand Prix mode I decided not to > try. At the very least I would want Test Day and Quick Race to work > before I would install it. I would also like a real installer for it. > ;o) > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:i98%7.366058$[email hidden]... > > Has anyone here bothered to try this yet? I posted news of it's > release four > > days ago but almost no discussion. It seems pretty damn great to me, > and I > > thought this newsgroup was wanting something like this for a long > time. > > > > The physics aren't finalized yet, the AI needs some work, and there > are a > > few bugs, but I'm still very surprised at seeing no reaction here to > this > > add-on. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > >

I'm told it can be run online at Relay as long as the modified vehicles option is set to "allowed". Not 100% positive about that though. David G Fisher "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Until it can be run online well............thanks, but not thanks :) > > -John >

I'm told it can be run online at Relay as long as the modified vehicles option is set to "allowed". Not 100% positive about that though. David G Fisher "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Until it can be run online well............thanks, but not thanks :) > > -John >

Umm, what newsgroup have you been reading? Most here seem to own and like F12001 a lot. You'll have to get the FIA off the developers backs befoe you get a modern F1 sim with really good mp. David G Fisher "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q99%7.25268$[email hidden]...

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> Could it be that few of us own or like F12001? > > Just an idea.... > I myself have never tried it. > > Now if you ask me why... the answer is I want real multiplayer support. > Real as in GPL-spec or better. Right now very few sims offer that... and > that is why on my shelve there's very few new sims. > > Anything offline-ish is uninterresting -- to me. > > -- > ed_ > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > news:i98%7.366058$[email hidden]... > > Has anyone here bothered to try this yet? I posted news of it's release > four > > days ago but almost no discussion. It seems pretty damn great to me, and

I > > thought this newsgroup was wanting something like this for a long time. > > > > The physics aren't finalized yet, the AI needs some work, and there area > > few bugs, but I'm still very surprised at seeing no reaction here tothis

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Never had much success on Relay with F1 2001 myself. Anyone else out there have success with it? -John David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:D_8%7.366165$[email hidden]...

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> I'm told it can be run online at Relay as long as the modified vehicles > option is set to "allowed". Not 100% positive about that though. > > David G Fisher > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Until it can be run online well............thanks, but not thanks :) > > > > -John > > > > >

Could it be that few of us own or like F12001? Just an idea.... I myself have never tried it. Now if you ask me why... the answer is I want real multiplayer support. Real as in GPL-spec or better. Right now very few sims offer that... and that is why on my shelve there's very few new sims. Anything offline-ish is uninterresting -- to me. -- ed_ "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:i98%7.366058$[email hidden]... > Has anyone here bothered to try this yet? I posted news of it's release four > days ago but almost no discussion. It seems pretty damn great to me, and I > thought this newsgroup was wanting something like this for a long time. > > The physics aren't finalized yet, the AI needs some work, and there are a > few bugs, but I'm still very surprised at seeing no reaction here to this > add-on. > > David G Fisher > > > >

Me too :) I don't mind running a GPL championship now and blue moon then, but that's it. -John Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q99%7.25268$[email hidden]...

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> > Anything offline-ish is uninterresting -- to me. > > -- > ed_ > > > > > > > > > > >

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:00:46 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: Did anyone try ISCH Mod for Nascar Heat: http://texasspeedracing.com/topdawg/main-body-6.shtml I think Nascar Heat, has very good online implementation, compare to F12001.

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>> Now if you ask me why... the answer is I want real multiplayer support. >> Real as in GPL-spec or better. Right now very few sims offer that... and >> that is why on my shelve there's very few new sims. >> > >> > >> >> >

-- Greg

Pop in and ring Schumi sometime... I'll see if I can figure what your problem is. Although beyond the Relay Settings for presetting the variables in the game... Relay doesn't do a whole lot in regards to controlling the online play at all. Once you launch and pass any necessary cheat-checking... its all game. I'd be willing to give you a hand if you like. --> For everyone --> As for the new mod... well if you turn on "Modified Vehicles Allowed" you will bypass all cheat checking, and should not have any problems (outside of the mods probs if any, or the game's settings). Cheers, Schumi

Wow...not liking a program before it comes out...really need to start double checking your posts guys. -Stuart Becktell "Book" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c3d1f7b$[email hidden]...

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> Could it be that not that many people like F12002?? > Book > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:i98%7.366058$[email hidden]... > > Has anyone here bothered to try this yet? I posted news of it's release > four > > days ago but almost no discussion. It seems pretty damn great to me, and

I > > thought this newsgroup was wanting something like this for a long time. > > > > The physics aren't finalized yet, the AI needs some work, and there area > > few bugs, but I'm still very surprised at seeing no reaction here tothis

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"DGF" wrote: > Umm, what newsgroup have you been reading? Most here seem to own and like > F12001 a lot. The one that had a few post about missing patches (or was that another F1-title?), crappy multiplayer-code and other things.. > You'll have to get the FIA off the developers backs befoe you get a modern > F1 sim with really good mp. Too bad.... looks like I wont be buying any modern F1-sims for a long long time then... Guess that FIA / FOCA's loss then. -- ed_

> The physics aren't finalized yet, the AI needs some work, and there are a > few bugs, I think you answered your own question here.

Thanks Schumi, I'll do that. -John Schumi <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1zc%7.80098$[email hidden]... > Pop in and ring Schumi sometime... I'll see if I can figure what your > problem is. Although beyond the Relay Settings for presetting thevariables > in the game... Relay doesn't do a whole lot in regards to controlling the > online play at all. Once you launch and pass any necessarycheat-checking...

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> its all game. > > I'd be willing to give you a hand if you like. > > --> For everyone --> > > As for the new mod... well if you turn on "Modified Vehicles Allowed" you > will bypass all cheat checking, and should not have any problems (outside

of > the mods probs if any, or the game's settings). > > Cheers, > Schumi > >

David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:i98%7.366058$[email hidden]... > Has anyone here bothered to try this yet? I posted news of it's releasefour

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> days ago but almost no discussion. It seems pretty damn great to me, and I > thought this newsgroup was wanting something like this for a long time. > > The physics aren't finalized yet, the AI needs some work, and there are a > few bugs, but I'm still very surprised at seeing no reaction here to this > add-on. >

Does it work with F1 2K?

It's 95% finished. If you go over to HG, there is a ton of talk and excitement about this add-on. Here? Nothing. More evidence I guess (unfortunately) that r.a.s. is basically a club headquarters for a certain sim. David G Fisher "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gEh%7.102096$[email hidden]... > > > The physics aren't finalized yet, the AI needs some work, and there area > > few bugs, > > I think you answered your own question here. > > >

Again, what auto sim newsgroup have you been reading? David G Fisher "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c3d8ab2$[email hidden]... > "DGF" wrote: > > > Umm, what newsgroup have you been reading? Most here seem to own andlike > > F12001 a lot. > > The one that had a few post about missing patches (or was that another > F1-title?), crappy multiplayer-code and other things.. > > > You'll have to get the FIA off the developers backs befoe you get amodern > > F1 sim with really good mp. > > Too bad.... looks like I wont be buying any modern F1-sims for a longlong

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> time then... > Guess that FIA / FOCA's loss then. > > -- > ed_ > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:i98%7.366058$[email hidden]... > Has anyone here bothered to try this yet? I posted news of it's releasefour

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> days ago but almost no discussion. It seems pretty damn great to me, and I > thought this newsgroup was wanting something like this for a long time. > > The physics aren't finalized yet, the AI needs some work, and there are a > few bugs, but I'm still very surprised at seeing no reaction here to this > add-on. > > David G Fisher >

Because inhere you HAVE to love GPL. Any other sim is crap (Rally Trophy as an exception), and if you don't see that, you're off! Just look at my flaming of GLP some weeks ago!! I have downloaded it, and besides a little troubble with the sound (see an earlier thread) it is great. The Porche sound is too weak compared to Viper and Ferrari, but that is just a matter of adjustment. The cars though seems to be a little to much understeering, especially at low speeds, and I miss a handbrake, :o), to force the rear around. -- Mvh Sven

:-) See my reply to Doug Hook. David G Fisher "Sven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c3dff61$0$16887$[email hidden]... > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:i98%7.366058$[email hidden]... > > Has anyone here bothered to try this yet? I posted news of it's release > four > > days ago but almost no discussion. It seems pretty damn great to me, andI > > thought this newsgroup was wanting something like this for a long time. > > > > The physics aren't finalized yet, the AI needs some work, and there area > > few bugs, but I'm still very surprised at seeing no reaction here tothis

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> > add-on. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > Because inhere you HAVE to love GPL. Any other sim is crap (Rally Trophy

as > an exception), and if you don't see that, you're off! Just look at my > flaming of GLP some weeks ago!! > > I have downloaded it, and besides a little troubble with the sound (see an > earlier thread) it is great. The Porche sound is too weak compared toViper

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> and Ferrari, but that is just a matter of adjustment. > The cars though seems to be a little to much understeering, especially at > low speeds, and I miss a handbrake, :o), to force the rear around. > -- > > Mvh > Sven > > > >

Definately understand why you'd say that about GPL, hey, it's true to an extent, but I think also a lot has to do with you can't race it online, or at least that perception. Just a guess, but I'd bet most here are more interested in racing X sim online than X sim offline. -John David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bUm%7.366612$[email hidden]...

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> > Here? Nothing. > > More evidence I guess (unfortunately) that r.a.s. is basically a club > headquarters for a certain sim. > > David G Fisher > > "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:gEh%7.102096$[email hidden]... > > > > > The physics aren't finalized yet, the AI needs some work, and there

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> a > > > few bugs, > > > > I think you answered your own question here. > > > > > > > >

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:53:15 +0100, "Sven" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Because inhere you HAVE to love GPL. Any other sim is crap (Rally Trophy as >an exception), and if you don't see that, you're off! Just look at my >flaming of GLP some weeks ago!! That was because you trolled on purpose under a different nickname with a quite idiotic post, then denied the troll was you, then you admitted it. Nothing wrong with a well-founded opinion, but the way you posted here was quite sad. And you got some well deserved flaming in return. Andre

r . a . s David - in case you missed it... Like I said - this is/was *my impression* of how things are... As stated before - I have not tested F2001 (or any other modern F1 sim for that matter) If a sim dont have proper online play, I wont even bother looking at it.... my time on this planet is short enough as it is.... -- ed_ "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:nVm%7.366613$[email hidden]... > Again, what auto sim newsgroup have you been reading? > > David G Fisher >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<2e9%7.366199$[email hidden]>... > Umm, what newsgroup have you been reading? Most here seem to own and like > F12001 a lot. Everyone likes a good arcade game now and then. Unfortunately, Porsche Unleashed or Colin McRae 2.0 were more fun than driving around flat tracks through multiple chicanes. > You'll have to get the FIA off the developers backs befoe you get a modern > F1 sim with really good mp. Can we get one with cars that handle realistically and also has support for split axis controllers? Jason

What sim do you like jason? David G Fisher "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<2e9%7.366199$[email hidden]>... > > Umm, what newsgroup have you been reading? Most here seem to own andlike

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> > F12001 a lot. > > Everyone likes a good arcade game now and then. Unfortunately, > Porsche Unleashed or Colin McRae 2.0 were more fun than driving around > flat tracks through multiple chicanes. > > > You'll have to get the FIA off the developers backs befoe you get a

modern > > F1 sim with really good mp. > > Can we get one with cars that handle realistically and also has > support for split axis controllers? > > Jason

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> It's 95% finished. > > If you go over to HG, there is a ton of talk and excitement about this > add-on. > > Here? Nothing. > > More evidence I guess (unfortunately) that r.a.s. is basically a club > headquarters for a certain sim.

Nice conclusion jumping :) I would still put the answer as "I have no idea" It generally amazes me how web-forums are way more popular to use than newsgroups. I mean, there are around 200-300 posts per day here, but probably tons more at legends central and high gear. What I don't get is why people really want to use a user unfriendly system compared to what newsgroups are with a proper newsreader. Or maybe it is a demographic thing. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

I think the only appeal of a web based forum is the ability to have dedicated lists for each sim. Here we are kind of a scattered group with Need for Speeders shoulder to should with GPLers. But a forum can give you specific answers to certain sims. I use them from time to time to get answers about say Nascar Heat, but I much prefer the speed of a newsgroup any day. dave henrie "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > It's 95% finished. > > > > If you go over to HG, there is a ton of talk and excitement about this > > add-on. > > > > Here? Nothing. > > > > More evidence I guess (unfortunately) that r.a.s. is basically a club > > headquarters for a certain sim. > > Nice conclusion jumping :) I would still put the answer as "I have no > idea" > > It generally amazes me how web-forums are way more popular to use than > newsgroups. I mean, there are around 200-300 posts per day here, but > probably tons more at legends central and high gear. What I don't get > is why people really want to use a user unfriendly system compared to > what newsgroups are with a proper newsreader. Or maybe it is a > demographic thing. > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

Well, it varies depending on my mood, really. I always like GPL, but I think in a way that it's easier to make a historic sim (flight or racing) because so much data is availabe. I also like Nascar 4 for the wheel-to-wheel racing, altho admittedly ovals are kinda boring and it's not a lot of fun lugging around a stockar on a road course. I always have a "3rd racing sim" of choice that I have installed. It's varied over the past year or two but lately it's been either Rally Masters, Rally Championship 2000, or Dirt Track Racing, all of which have huge flaws I don't really need to go into detail on. Currently I'm in RC2000 mode, at least until Rally Trophy is released next week, and I'm finding that while I'm driving a shoebox at least I'm doing it on interesting and challenging roads. I enjoyed F1 2001 for a few weeks, but really nothing about it stood above GPL, partially because I only have a passing interest in post-1994 F1 but also because I find the overall experience to be less-than-satisfying. I think it's easily the best modern F1 game, but there are so many little things I can't stand. ISI engines always have the most aliased graphics I've seen in any game at 1280x1024x32. Driving on flat chicane-ridden tracks is hard enough, but it's damn near impossible when it looks like the world is made out of legos (on the other hand, the cars are drop-dead gorgeous). The handling just seems off in a lot of areas, and coupled with the split axis controller issues and completely unintuitive controller configuration (why can't everyone just have a Linear/Non-Linear slider, for the love of god) makes the driving aspect really unenjoyable. It frustrates me to no end that you can just slam the brakes down all the way without suffering any sort of penalty. Or that you can literally slide sideways all the way around the track. I know I'm not a good enough driver to do insane 4-wheel drifts at every corner and yet in F1 2001 I'm doing it with ease (this also bugs me about every rally game that's been put out, with the possible exception of Rally Trophy and that's just based on the demo). While I'm sure a modern F1 car is much easier to drive than a classic car without aero, I have a hard time believing that it would be easier to catch a tailslide, unless they've devised some way to make aero work when you're sideways. The handling overall is good, but I'd put it somewhere around Rally Masters in terms of realism (come to think of it, they both have awful controller support too). Basically, F1 2001 is a good game but it's lost out to GPL/N4 in the realism dept (which is my primary interest when it comes to simulations) and RC2000 in my personal interest dept (since I much prefer rally to any circuit driving). Sorry if I sounded overly harsh in my previous post. Jason "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<A%u%7.367339$[email hidden]>...

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> What sim do you like jason? > > David G Fisher > > > "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:<2e9%7.366199$[email hidden]>... > > > Umm, what newsgroup have you been reading? Most here seem to own and > like > > > F12001 a lot. > > > > Everyone likes a good arcade game now and then. Unfortunately, > > Porsche Unleashed or Colin McRae 2.0 were more fun than driving around > > flat tracks through multiple chicanes. > > > > > You'll have to get the FIA off the developers backs befoe you get a > modern > > > F1 sim with really good mp. > > > > Can we get one with cars that handle realistically and also has > > support for split axis controllers? > > > > Jason

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:33:11 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's 95% finished. > >If you go over to HG, there is a ton of talk and excitement about this >add-on. > >Here? Nothing. Maybe it's because driving the pacecar wasn't a pleasure anyway. Your view is (too) restricted, and there is no right mirror. I found it very annoying. And of course, this mod doesn't improve the online part of F1 2001. >More evidence I guess (unfortunately) that r.a.s. is basically a club >headquarters for a certain sim. Sure. Remco

david, i downloaded and installed it. i was quite impressed by it, but its clearly still incomplete, as you mention. the fact that it has arrived so soon (relatively speaking) after the release of f1 2001 bodes well for future mods and expansions. i hope that this is the beginning of the next Nascar Heat style of mod making. after seeing my SCGT install grow from < 200meg to > 700meg, i am excited by the possibilities of more and more mods for f1 2001. playing the GT mod is fun, but i'm more excited about its future than its current state. and, about your GPL lament. I guess people would rather talk about the games they play than the games they've given up playing. i've pretty much stopped playing f1rc for now and only gpl and f1 2001 get any attention these days. back to the mod, though. i hope that other mods follow the same standard of installing. e.g. a season folder, save folder and ini file. it would be useful for swapping them out. so heres hoping for the Le Mans, Touring Cars, Rally cars, Gran Turismo 3 mods for F1 2001 :) Regards all, istoff

I think an awful lot of internet users flat out don't know how to use anything but a browser. I have even met people who think that they have to open their browser to connect to the internet, and are afraid to close it when playing games for fear they will get disconnected. Usenet is an unknown thing to them. Hmm, maybe that's a good thing. ;o) "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xyv%7.1806$[email hidden]... > I think the only appeal of a web based forum is the ability to have > dedicated lists for each sim. Here we are kind of a scattered groupwith > Need for Speeders shoulder to should with GPLers. But a forum cangive you > specific answers to certain sims. I use them from time to time to get > answers about say Nascar Heat, but I much prefer the speed of anewsgroup

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> any day. > dave henrie > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > It's 95% finished. > > > > > > If you go over to HG, there is a ton of talk and excitement about

this > > > add-on. > > > > > > Here? Nothing. > > > > > > More evidence I guess (unfortunately) that r.a.s. is basically aclub > > > headquarters for a certain sim. > > > > Nice conclusion jumping :) I would still put the answer as "I haveno > > idea" > > > > It generally amazes me how web-forums are way more popular to usethan > > newsgroups. I mean, there are around 200-300 posts per day here, but > > probably tons more at legends central and high gear. What I don'tget > > is why people really want to use a user unfriendly system comparedto

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> > what newsgroups are with a proper newsreader. Or maybe it is a > > demographic thing. > > > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove .spam when replying > >

I've mentioned before on this newsgroup that I think F12001 needs some tweaking. This review at simbin sums it up for me. http://www.simbin.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3c3b041a4243ffff;act=ST;f=20;t =20 It certainly seems to have attracted many of the top GPL drivers though, FWIW. David G Fisher "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, it varies depending on my mood, really. I always like GPL, but > I think in a way that it's easier to make a historic sim (flight or > racing) because so much data is availabe. I also like Nascar 4 for > the wheel-to-wheel racing, altho admittedly ovals are kinda boring and > it's not a lot of fun lugging around a stockar on a road course. I > always have a "3rd racing sim" of choice that I have installed. It's > varied over the past year or two but lately it's been either Rally > Masters, Rally Championship 2000, or Dirt Track Racing, all of which > have huge flaws I don't really need to go into detail on. Currently > I'm in RC2000 mode, at least until Rally Trophy is released next week, > and I'm finding that while I'm driving a shoebox at least I'm doing it > on interesting and challenging roads. > > I enjoyed F1 2001 for a few weeks, but really nothing about it stood > above GPL, partially because I only have a passing interest in > post-1994 F1 but also because I find the overall experience to be > less-than-satisfying. I think it's easily the best modern F1 game, > but there are so many little things I can't stand. ISI engines always > have the most aliased graphics I've seen in any game at 1280x1024x32. > Driving on flat chicane-ridden tracks is hard enough, but it's damn > near impossible when it looks like the world is made out of legos (on > the other hand, the cars are drop-dead gorgeous). The handling just > seems off in a lot of areas, and coupled with the split axis > controller issues and completely unintuitive controller configuration > (why can't everyone just have a Linear/Non-Linear slider, for the love > of god) makes the driving aspect really unenjoyable. It frustrates me > to no end that you can just slam the brakes down all the way without > suffering any sort of penalty. Or that you can literally slide > sideways all the way around the track. I know I'm not a good enough > driver to do insane 4-wheel drifts at every corner and yet in F1 2001 > I'm doing it with ease (this also bugs me about every rally game > that's been put out, with the possible exception of Rally Trophy and > that's just based on the demo). While I'm sure a modern F1 car is > much easier to drive than a classic car without aero, I have a hard > time believing that it would be easier to catch a tailslide, unless > they've devised some way to make aero work when you're sideways. The > handling overall is good, but I'd put it somewhere around Rally > Masters in terms of realism (come to think of it, they both have awful > controller support too). Basically, F1 2001 is a good game but it's > lost out to GPL/N4 in the realism dept (which is my primary interest > when it comes to simulations) and RC2000 in my personal interest dept > (since I much prefer rally to any circuit driving). > > Sorry if I sounded overly harsh in my previous post. > > Jason > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > What sim do you like jason? > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:<2e9%7.366199$[email hidden]>... > > > > Umm, what newsgroup have you been reading? Most here seem to own

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> > like > > > > F12001 a lot. > > > > > > Everyone likes a good arcade game now and then. Unfortunately, > > > Porsche Unleashed or Colin McRae 2.0 were more fun than driving around > > > flat tracks through multiple chicanes. > > > > > > > You'll have to get the FIA off the developers backs befoe you get a > > modern > > > > F1 sim with really good mp. > > > > > > Can we get one with cars that handle realistically and also has > > > support for split axis controllers? > > > > > > Jason

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > More evidence I guess (unfortunately) that r.a.s. is basically a club > headquarters for a certain sim. More evidence I guess (unfortunately) that DGF basically just wanted to throw this line in this thread. It was the only thing he had in mind, a place to plug that line. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Sven" <[email hidden]> wrote > Just look at my flaming of GLP some weeks ago!! No, just look at your *trolling*. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I installed it and actually was rather disappointed, I think I'll stck with the regular game. Now thats awesome. I tried other mods in NH while some were ok just too many flaws that ruined the immersion for me. Just my .02. "istoff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > david, > > i downloaded and installed it. i was quite impressed by it, but its > clearly still incomplete, as you mention. > > the fact that it has arrived so soon (relatively speaking) . IMO, I think thats is a very true statement