Celeron 266 w/ 256Mb RAM, 2Mb ATI Rage video card, Win98?
It's too slow for Pong!
;-)
Seriously, your videocard isn't up to scratch. Is it onboard? If you could
pick up a cheap Voodoo2 you could scrap a game without add-ons.
Ian
".." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Celeron 266 w/ 256Mb RAM, 2Mb ATI Rage video card, Win98?
By a long shot. You've likely got the L2-cacheless 266 Celeron, absolutely
worthless...and a 2MB video card?
I'll be amazed if it -runs-.
If I were you, and wanted to do some cheap upgrading, I'd look for a Voodoo2
(but wouldn't pay much more than $20...GeForce 2 MX200s are in the $40
range), and a Celeron up to 533MHz (since I wouldn't be surprised if the
Coppermine-based 533a-1100MHz Celerons won't work on your board) along with
a slot-socket adapter.
What motherboard and RAM do you have? If you've got a 440BX chipset and
PC100 RAM, you could probably go all the way to 1100MHz...if you've got PC66
RAM but still a 440BX, 766 is your max speed...
Milhouse
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> Celeron 266 w/ 256Mb RAM, 2Mb ATI Rage video card, Win98?
.. ([email hidden]) wrote on 11 Jan 2002:
> Celeron 266 w/ 256Mb RAM, 2Mb ATI Rage video card, Win98?
In a word - yes. The system requirements printed on GPL's box
(P166!) are some of the most wildly optimistic you'll ever see. Let's
go through your system:
Celeron 266: Hmm. You might just get away with that with a greatly
improved graphics card, but it's touch'n'go, I think.
256 MB RAM: No problems here - GPL will run OK with 32 megs. The only
real benefit of more RAM is longer replays.
2Mb ATI Rage video card: This is your biggest bottleneck - it's waaaay
too slow for GPL. Although there is a patch available for Direct3D, GPL
only natively supports 3dfx (Voodoo) cards and the ancient Rendition
chipset. Assuming you've got a free PCI slot inside, get hold of
something like a Voodoo3. That will replace your ATI and give you far
better GPL performance to boot. Voodoo3s haven't been made for a while,
but a lot were sold, so second-hand ones are fairly easy to find.
Win98: No problem, though the SE version is generally more stable.
To give you an idea of how unrealistic the box specs are, my system
until recently was:
Celeron 500, 128MB RAM, Voodoo3-2000 PCI, Win98SE, SoundBlaster16 PCI.
That allowed me to run well (ie, with a steady 36fps, which is *vital*
online, and nearly as important offline) at 800x600 if I turned off
most of the textures in the rear-view mirror.
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really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
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>Seriously, your videocard isn't up to scratch. Is it onboard? If you could
>pick up a cheap Voodoo2 you could scrap a game without add-ons.
The videocard chip is stuck on the motherboard. Will I get better performance
if I install the upgrade video card into the PCI slot? Is GeForce 64Mb an
overkill?
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>Ian > >".." <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Celeron 266 w/ 256Mb RAM, 2Mb ATI Rage video card, Win98? > >".." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >Seriously, your videocard isn't up to scratch. Is it onboard? If you could
> >pick up a cheap Voodoo2 you could scrap a game without add-ons.
>
> The videocard chip is stuck on the motherboard. Will I get better performance
> if I install the upgrade video card into the PCI slot? Is GeForce 64Mb an
> overkill?
Complete overkill. If you have that much to spend, get a voodoo2 or tnt2 and
find a faster or overclockable second hand celeron to fit your motherboard.
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when I first ran gpl, I had a PII 266 (faster than celeron 266 I think...)
and a 4mb video card. It would only run on software mode and crappy at
that. I then upgraded to a Hercules Thriller card (rendition 8mb) and it
was much better, but later still I ran it on the same machine with a voodoo3
and it was great. I don't know if that will be compatible with your
celeron, but if it is, it will work, I bet.
BH
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> Celeron 266 w/ 256Mb RAM, 2Mb ATI Rage video card, Win98?
>when I first ran gpl, I had a PII 266 (faster than celeron 266 I think...)
>and a 4mb video card. It would only run on software mode and crappy at
>that. I then upgraded to a Hercules Thriller card (rendition 8mb) and it
>was much better, but later still I ran it on the same machine with a voodoo3
>and it was great. I don't know if that will be compatible with your
>celeron, but if it is, it will work, I bet.
So you are saying how well you can run GPL has more to do with the amount of
video RAM than raw CPU processing power?
[email hidden] (..) writes:
No, it has more to do with video processing power than CPU processing power.
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> >when I first ran gpl, I had a PII 266 (faster than celeron 266 I think...) > >and a 4mb video card. It would only run on software mode and crappy at > >that. I then upgraded to a Hercules Thriller card (rendition 8mb) and it > >was much better, but later still I ran it on the same machine with a voodoo3 > >and it was great. I don't know if that will be compatible with your > >celeron, but if it is, it will work, I bet. > > So you are saying how well you can run GPL has more to do with the amount of > video RAM than raw CPU processing power?> > So you are saying how well you can run GPL has more to do with theamount of
> > video RAM than raw CPU processing power?
>
> No, it has more to do with video processing power than CPU processingpower.
> Olav K. Malmin From the bottom end...a video card is more important. If you have a 2 meg
card that is barely dx4 compatible, then you will be lucky to run gpl and it
will look awful. So if you have a weak system to begin with, improving the
video card is more important. But as you build up your system, with a
decent 3d card, you'll find the beefier the cpu, the better gpl will
perform.
It goes without saying these days that 16 megs of video memory should be
the bare minimum. Of course gpl will run quite happily on 4 meg and 8 meg
Rendition based video cards, but not much else will. 16 should be
considered the lowest and 32 is a much better number for video ram.
System Ram should run AT LEAST 128mb...sure most systems will run with
less but performance will suffer. For some older titles, like GPL 512mb is
the maximum you should install.
CPU power is very important. A fast vid card with lots of system ram
won't do much good if you have an anemic cpu. While GPL doesn't need a 1ghz
speed chip, many other newer programs do...get AT LEAST a gig chip if you
are purchasing a new motherboard and cpu.
dave henrie
Not quite but close. With modern 3D games, this is always true. A decently fast video card with
minimum of 8-16MB memory is essential. GPL happens to love 3dfx cards.
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"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash
.. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
> >when I first ran gpl, I had a PII 266 (faster than celeron 266 I think...)
> >and a 4mb video card. It would only run on software mode and crappy at
> >that. I then upgraded to a Hercules Thriller card (rendition 8mb) and it
> >was much better, but later still I ran it on the same machine with a voodoo3
> >and it was great. I don't know if that will be compatible with your
> >celeron, but if it is, it will work, I bet.
>
> So you are saying how well you can run GPL has more to do with the amount of
> video RAM than raw CPU processing power?
Voodoo 3 would be even better.
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> It's too slow for Pong! > > ;-) > Seriously, your videocard isn't up to scratch. Is it onboard? If you could > pick up a cheap Voodoo2 you could scrap a game without add-ons. > > IanIt happens to love my GF3 even better.
.> GPL happens to love 3dfx cards.
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> > >when I first ran gpl, I had a PII 266 (faster than celeron 266 Ithink...)
> > >and a 4mb video card. It would only run on software mode and crappy at
> > >that. I then upgraded to a Hercules Thriller card (rendition 8mb) andit
> > >was much better, but later still I ran it on the same machine with avoodoo3
> > >and it was great. I don't know if that will be compatible with your
> > >celeron, but if it is, it will work, I bet.
> >
> > So you are saying how well you can run GPL has more to do with theamount of
> > video RAM than raw CPU processing power?
>
>
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> > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > .. <[email hidden]> wrote in messageAlthough "four wheel drift" (or is it Eagle Woman?) suggests that a
rendition card (herc. thriller) would be better than a VooDoo1 or 2, but
voodoo3's weren't out then, and for sure my voodoo3 runs much better than my
thriller. So, don't get a voodoo2 with your celeron, only voodoo3 or
higher, or a thriller(that is if you can put any of these cards on your box
at all, I don't know those machines).
BH
Biz <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Not quite but close. With modern 3D games, this is always true. Adecently fast video card with
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> > >when I first ran gpl, I had a PII 266 (faster than celeron 266 Ithink...)
> > >and a 4mb video card. It would only run on software mode and crappy at
> > >that. I then upgraded to a Hercules Thriller card (rendition 8mb) andit
> > >was much better, but later still I ran it on the same machine with avoodoo3
> > >and it was great. I don't know if that will be compatible with your
> > >celeron, but if it is, it will work, I bet.
> >
> > So you are saying how well you can run GPL has more to do with theamount of
> > video RAM than raw CPU processing power?
>
>
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> minimum of 8-16MB memory is essential. GPL happens to love 3dfx cards. > > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > .. <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenot $200 better it doesn't, still way overpriced, and way overkill for the machine in question in
case you had bothered to read the rest of the posts instead of being a smartass.
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Biz
"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash
Carl Cottrell <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> It happens to love my GF3 even better.
>
> .> GPL happens to love 3dfx cards.
> >
> > --
> > Biz
> >
> > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> > the....." - Ash
> >
> >
> > .. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > >when I first ran gpl, I had a PII 266 (faster than celeron 266 I
> think...)
> > > >and a 4mb video card. It would only run on software mode and crappy at
> > > >that. I then upgraded to a Hercules Thriller card (rendition 8mb) and
> it
> > > >was much better, but later still I ran it on the same machine with a
> voodoo3
> > > >and it was great. I don't know if that will be compatible with your
> > > >celeron, but if it is, it will work, I bet.
> > >
> > > So you are saying how well you can run GPL has more to do with the
> amount of
> > > video RAM than raw CPU processing power?
> >
> >
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