GPL Lockups with GF3 TI-500

Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200 TI-500 video card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to work perfectly except that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This happens after I stop on the track and hit ESC to go back to the chat/VCR/setup/etc. screen. Doesn't happen all the time but has happened a couple of times now and I'd like to figure out what's causing it. It also doesn't seem to matter how long I've been racing or how long the computer has been running or anything like that. It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers (4.37) and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard is an EPOX 8KHA+ with 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is Windows 98. Any ideas? Thanks, Wayne Hutchison

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> Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200 TI-500 > video card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to work > perfectly except that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This > happens after I stop on the track and hit ESC to go back to the > chat/VCR/setup/etc. screen. Doesn't happen all the time but has > happened a couple of times now and I'd like to figure out what's > causing it. It also doesn't seem to matter how long I've been > racing or how long the computer has been running or anything like > that. It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1 > drivers (4.37) and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard > is an EPOX 8KHA+ with 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is > Windows 98. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Wayne Hutchison > > > >

I went through a couple of different video drivers before I got a set working without any glitches in GPL. (knock on wood). I'm currently using the 23.11 drivers. HTH, Darryl

Hi Wayne; I had the same thing after installing my geforce 2ti at Christmas. Make sure you have the latest d3d patch - papy doens't have the current one on their site, I seem to believe - I got mine from the uspits. I'm also running the 23.11 drivers - and all is good now. "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iOI%7.4034$[email hidden]...

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> Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200 TI-500 video > card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to work perfectly except > that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This happens after I stop on the > track and hit ESC to go back to the chat/VCR/setup/etc. screen. Doesn't > happen all the time but has happened a couple of times now and I'd like to > figure out what's causing it. It also doesn't seem to matter how long I've > been racing or how long the computer has been running or anything like

that.

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> It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers (4.37) > and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard is an EPOX 8KHA+ with > 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is Windows 98. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Wayne Hutchison > > >

My only 2 cents worth after fiddling for hours with my Athlon setup is that the latest Via drivers are not necessarily the fastest or most stable for GPL. Marc "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iOI%7.4034$[email hidden]...

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> Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200 TI-500 video > card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to work perfectly except > that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This happens after I stop on the > track and hit ESC to go back to the chat/VCR/setup/etc. screen. Doesn't > happen all the time but has happened a couple of times now and I'd like to > figure out what's causing it. It also doesn't seem to matter how long I've > been racing or how long the computer has been running or anything like

that.

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> It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers (4.37) > and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard is an EPOX 8KHA+ with > 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is Windows 98. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Wayne Hutchison > > >

Hey - now that you mention it - I did a fresh os install after this and decided to run with the ones on my cd - no no latest via drivers here either. "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1tM%7.23908$[email hidden]... > My only 2 cents worth after fiddling for hours with my Athlon setup isthat

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> the latest Via drivers are not necessarily the fastest or most stable for > GPL. > > Marc > > "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iOI%7.4034$[email hidden]... > > Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200 TI-500 video > > card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to work perfectly

except > > that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This happens after I stop onthe > > track and hit ESC to go back to the chat/VCR/setup/etc. screen. Doesn't > > happen all the time but has happened a couple of times now and I'd liketo > > figure out what's causing it. It also doesn't seem to matter how longI've > > been racing or how long the computer has been running or anything like > that. > > It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers(4.37) > > and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard is an EPOX 8KHA+with

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> > 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is Windows 98. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne Hutchison > > > > > > > >

Hi Wayne, I'd try the Asus 21.81 or the Nvidia 23.11. The latter ones should even improve image quality. The 21.81_a_ felt a little shaky here as well. Don't forget to set the LOD bias to -0.5 now if you didn't have this setting so far. And enable Anisotrophy, preferrably neither the lowest nor the highest settings. The ones in the middle are the best compromise. I also wouldn't use the VIA IDE drivers. Like for Willard, for me the disk drivers that come with Windows have always been faster and more stable than the VIA drivers. Strange but true. Achim "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iOI%7.4034$[email hidden]...

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> Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200 TI-500 video > card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to work perfectly except > that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This happens after I stop on the > track and hit ESC to go back to the chat/VCR/setup/etc. screen. Doesn't > happen all the time but has happened a couple of times now and I'd like to > figure out what's causing it. It also doesn't seem to matter how long I've > been racing or how long the computer has been running or anything like

that.

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> It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers (4.37) > and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard is an EPOX 8KHA+ with > 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is Windows 98. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Wayne Hutchison > > >

JT..is that in the core.ini or a nvidida tweaker? Sincerely, DC Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a1q6da$sinjo$[email hidden]... > Hi Wayne, > > I'd try the Asus 21.81 or the Nvidia 23.11. The latter ones should even > improve image quality. The 21.81_a_ felt a little shaky here as well.Don't > forget to set the LOD bias to -0.5 now if you didn't have this setting so > far. And enable Anisotrophy, preferrably neither the lowest nor thehighest > settings. The ones in the middle are the best compromise. > > I also wouldn't use the VIA IDE drivers. Like for Willard, for me the disk > drivers that come with Windows have always been faster and more stablethan

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> the VIA drivers. Strange but true. > > Achim > > > "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iOI%7.4034$[email hidden]... > > Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200 TI-500 video > > card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to work perfectly

except > > that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This happens after I stop onthe > > track and hit ESC to go back to the chat/VCR/setup/etc. screen. Doesn't > > happen all the time but has happened a couple of times now and I'd liketo > > figure out what's causing it. It also doesn't seem to matter how longI've > > been racing or how long the computer has been running or anything like > that. > > It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers(4.37) > > and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard is an EPOX 8KHA+with

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> > 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is Windows 98. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne Hutchison > > > > > > > >

Ok thanks Joachim. I have been problem free but will experiment a bit today. DC Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a1sk9k$t09j8$[email hidden]...

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> Hi Dave, > > in GPL D3D, it can be adjusted both in the Nvidia driver and in core.ini > > Achim > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:tlg08.1250$[email hidden]... > > JT..is that in the core.ini or a nvidida tweaker? > > > > Sincerely, > > > > DC > > Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:a1q6da$sinjo$[email hidden]... > > > Hi Wayne, > > > > > > I'd try the Asus 21.81 or the Nvidia 23.11. The latter ones should

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> > > improve image quality. The 21.81_a_ felt a little shaky here as well. > > Don't > > > forget to set the LOD bias to -0.5 now if you didn't have this setting > so > > > far. And enable Anisotrophy, preferrably neither the lowest nor the > > highest > > > settings. The ones in the middle are the best compromise. > > > > > > I also wouldn't use the VIA IDE drivers. Like for Willard, for me the > disk > > > drivers that come with Windows have always been faster and more stable > > than > > > the VIA drivers. Strange but true. > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:iOI%7.4034$[email hidden]... > > > > Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200 TI-500 > video > > > > card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to work perfectly > > except > > > > that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This happens after I stop

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> > the > > > > track and hit ESC to go back to the chat/VCR/setup/etc. screen. > Doesn't > > > > happen all the time but has happened a couple of times now and I'd > like > > to > > > > figure out what's causing it. It also doesn't seem to matter how

long > > I've > > > > been racing or how long the computer has been running or anythinglike

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> > > that. > > > > It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers > > (4.37) > > > > and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard is an EPOX 8KHA+ > > with > > > > 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is Windows 98. > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Wayne Hutchison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Dave, in GPL D3D, it can be adjusted both in the Nvidia driver and in core.ini Achim "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tlg08.1250$[email hidden]...

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> JT..is that in the core.ini or a nvidida tweaker? > > Sincerely, > > DC > Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a1q6da$sinjo$[email hidden]... > > Hi Wayne, > > > > I'd try the Asus 21.81 or the Nvidia 23.11. The latter ones should even > > improve image quality. The 21.81_a_ felt a little shaky here as well. > Don't > > forget to set the LOD bias to -0.5 now if you didn't have this setting

so > > far. And enable Anisotrophy, preferrably neither the lowest nor the > highest > > settings. The ones in the middle are the best compromise. > > > > I also wouldn't use the VIA IDE drivers. Like for Willard, for me thedisk

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> > drivers that come with Windows have always been faster and more stable > than > > the VIA drivers. Strange but true. > > > > Achim > > > > > > "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:iOI%7.4034$[email hidden]... > > > Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200 TI-500

video > > > card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to work perfectly > except > > > that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This happens after I stop on > the > > > track and hit ESC to go back to the chat/VCR/setup/etc. screen.Doesn't > > > happen all the time but has happened a couple of times now and I'dlike

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> to > > > figure out what's causing it. It also doesn't seem to matter how long > I've > > > been racing or how long the computer has been running or anything like > > that. > > > It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers > (4.37) > > > and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard is an EPOX 8KHA+ > with > > > 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is Windows 98. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Wayne Hutchison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

What a difference with the LOD set to -0.5. I had mine set to -75. I have anisotropic filtering set to 14. Any more suggestions Joachim? One improvement deserves another :o))) DC David Ciemny <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NCk08.11017$[email hidden]...

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> Ok thanks Joachim. I have been problem free but will experiment a bit > today. > > DC > Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a1sk9k$t09j8$[email hidden]... > > Hi Dave, > > > > in GPL D3D, it can be adjusted both in the Nvidia driver and in core.ini > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:tlg08.1250$[email hidden]... > > > JT..is that in the core.ini or a nvidida tweaker? > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > DC > > > Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:a1q6da$sinjo$[email hidden]... > > > > Hi Wayne, > > > > > > > > I'd try the Asus 21.81 or the Nvidia 23.11. The latter ones should > even > > > > improve image quality. The 21.81_a_ felt a little shaky here as

well. > > > Don't > > > > forget to set the LOD bias to -0.5 now if you didn't have thissetting > > so > > > > far. And enable Anisotrophy, preferrably neither the lowest nor the > > > highest > > > > settings. The ones in the middle are the best compromise. > > > > > > > > I also wouldn't use the VIA IDE drivers. Like for Willard, for methe > > disk > > > > drivers that come with Windows have always been faster and morestable

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> > > than > > > > the VIA drivers. Strange but true. > > > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:iOI%7.4034$[email hidden]... > > > > > Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200 TI-500 > > video > > > > > card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to work perfectly > > > except > > > > > that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This happens after I

stop

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> on > > > the > > > > > track and hit ESC to go back to the chat/VCR/setup/etc. screen. > > Doesn't > > > > > happen all the time but has happened a couple of times now and I'd > > like > > > to > > > > > figure out what's causing it. It also doesn't seem to matter how > long > > > I've > > > > > been racing or how long the computer has been running or anything > like > > > > that. > > > > > It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers > > > (4.37) > > > > > and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard is an EPOX

8KHA+

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> > > with > > > > > 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is Windows 98. > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Wayne Hutchison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Dave, I'd play a little with the Anisotrophy, and also make sure it's enabled in the graphics card driver (use Rivatuner 9.0 if you're using the 23.xx drivers). Too much Aniso can look squishy. In the driver, the medium setting (4x) is IMHO the best compromise. Within core.ini, I'm not sure a value of 14 make sense (but it could, I'm just not sure). The driver uses something like 0, 1, 2, 3 (or at least it did up until 22.xx, I forgot whether they changed that to one of these cryptic D3D_ ones in 23.xx, as together with changing the name they seem to have changed the values for some of these params) for the different levels, so I am not sure that a value of 14 is recognized. OTOH, I think 14 dec = 1110 binary, so maybe depending on how this parameter is passed to the driver, this is precisely how it should be passed. I just don't know. But experiment a little with it, that's my suggestion :-) As for other suggestions, I'd certainly like to suggest more, but there's quite a lot you can try for speed or quality. There's a lot you can try. Tom Pabst I think knows a lot about this, maybe he'd care to share. Achim "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BSn08.2411$[email hidden]...

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> What a difference with the LOD set to -0.5. I had mine set to -75. I have > anisotropic filtering set to 14. Any more suggestions Joachim? One > improvement deserves another :o))) > > DC > David Ciemny <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:NCk08.11017$[email hidden]... > > Ok thanks Joachim. I have been problem free but will experiment a bit > > today. > > > > DC > > Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:a1sk9k$t09j8$[email hidden]... > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > in GPL D3D, it can be adjusted both in the Nvidia driver and in

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> > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:tlg08.1250$[email hidden]... > > > > JT..is that in the core.ini or a nvidida tweaker? > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > DC > > > > Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:a1q6da$sinjo$[email hidden]... > > > > > Hi Wayne, > > > > > > > > > > I'd try the Asus 21.81 or the Nvidia 23.11. The latter ones should > > even > > > > > improve image quality. The 21.81_a_ felt a little shaky here as > well. > > > > Don't > > > > > forget to set the LOD bias to -0.5 now if you didn't have this > setting > > > so > > > > > far. And enable Anisotrophy, preferrably neither the lowest nor

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> > > > highest > > > > > settings. The ones in the middle are the best compromise. > > > > > > > > > > I also wouldn't use the VIA IDE drivers. Like for Willard, for me > the > > > disk > > > > > drivers that come with Windows have always been faster and more > stable > > > > than > > > > > the VIA drivers. Strange but true. > > > > > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:iOI%7.4034$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200

TI-500 > > > video > > > > > > card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to workperfectly

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> > > > except > > > > > > that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This happens after I > stop > > on > > > > the > > > > > > track and hit ESC to go back to the chat/VCR/setup/etc. screen. > > > Doesn't > > > > > > happen all the time but has happened a couple of times now and

I'd > > > like > > > > to > > > > > > figure out what's causing it. It also doesn't seem to matter how > > long > > > > I've > > > > > > been racing or how long the computer has been running oranything > > like > > > > > that. > > > > > > It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1drivers

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> > > > (4.37) > > > > > > and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard is an EPOX > 8KHA+ > > > > with > > > > > > 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is Windows 98. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Wayne Hutchison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Achim, Thanks for the help. I've installed the Nvidia 23.11's and so far the lockups have disappeared. I also changed the LOD and anisotrophy as you suggested and did notice a nice improvement in picture quality. I found that I can also use FSAA with the 23.11's without the menu screens melting away. They blur a little bit but are still legible. Wayne "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a1q6da$sinjo$[email hidden]... > Hi Wayne, > > I'd try the Asus 21.81 or the Nvidia 23.11. The latter ones should even > improve image quality. The 21.81_a_ felt a little shaky here as well.Don't > forget to set the LOD bias to -0.5 now if you didn't have this setting so > far. And enable Anisotrophy, preferrably neither the lowest nor thehighest > settings. The ones in the middle are the best compromise. > > I also wouldn't use the VIA IDE drivers. Like for Willard, for me the disk > drivers that come with Windows have always been faster and more stablethan

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> the VIA drivers. Strange but true. > > Achim > > > "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iOI%7.4034$[email hidden]... > > Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200 TI-500 video > > card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to work perfectly

except > > that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This happens after I stop onthe > > track and hit ESC to go back to the chat/VCR/setup/etc. screen. Doesn't > > happen all the time but has happened a couple of times now and I'd liketo > > figure out what's causing it. It also doesn't seem to matter how longI've > > been racing or how long the computer has been running or anything like > that. > > It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers(4.37) > > and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard is an EPOX 8KHA+with

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> > 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is Windows 98. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne Hutchison > > > > > > > >

valid values of the anisotropic setting in the core.ini are powers of 2: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc. I don't actually know how that 14 got into the example in the readme! :) The code takes whatever value crazy users enter and rounds it down to the nearest power of 2, so 14 is actually being passed to the driver as 8, which is 3 levels of anisotropy. Joachim Trensz wrote:

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> > Hi Dave, > > I'd play a little with the Anisotrophy, and also make sure it's enabled in > the graphics card driver (use Rivatuner 9.0 if you're using the 23.xx > drivers). Too much Aniso can look squishy. > > In the driver, the medium setting (4x) is IMHO the best compromise. Within > core.ini, I'm not sure a value of 14 make sense (but it could, I'm just not > sure). The driver uses something like 0, 1, 2, 3 (or at least it did up > until 22.xx, I forgot whether they changed that to one of these cryptic D3D_ > ones in 23.xx, as together with changing the name they seem to have changed > the values for some of these params) for the different levels, so I am not > sure that a value of 14 is recognized. OTOH, I think 14 dec = 1110 binary, > so maybe depending on how this parameter is passed to the driver, this is > precisely how it should be passed. I just don't know. But experiment a > little with it, that's my suggestion :-) > > As for other suggestions, I'd certainly like to suggest more, but there's > quite a lot you can try for speed or quality. There's a lot you can try. Tom > Pabst I think knows a lot about this, maybe he'd care to share. > > Achim > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BSn08.2411$[email hidden]... > > What a difference with the LOD set to -0.5. I had mine set to -75. I have > > anisotropic filtering set to 14. Any more suggestions Joachim? One > > improvement deserves another :o))) > > > > DC > > David Ciemny <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:NCk08.11017$[email hidden]... > > > Ok thanks Joachim. I have been problem free but will experiment a bit > > > today. > > > > > > DC > > > Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:a1sk9k$t09j8$[email hidden]... > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > in GPL D3D, it can be adjusted both in the Nvidia driver and in > core.ini > > > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:tlg08.1250$[email hidden]... > > > > > JT..is that in the core.ini or a nvidida tweaker? > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > DC > > > > > Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:a1q6da$sinjo$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Hi Wayne, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd try the Asus 21.81 or the Nvidia 23.11. The latter ones should > > > even > > > > > > improve image quality. The 21.81_a_ felt a little shaky here as > > well. > > > > > Don't > > > > > > forget to set the LOD bias to -0.5 now if you didn't have this > > setting > > > > so > > > > > > far. And enable Anisotrophy, preferrably neither the lowest nor > the > > > > > highest > > > > > > settings. The ones in the middle are the best compromise. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also wouldn't use the VIA IDE drivers. Like for Willard, for me > > the > > > > disk > > > > > > drivers that come with Windows have always been faster and more > > stable > > > > > than > > > > > > the VIA drivers. Strange but true. > > > > > > > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:iOI%7.4034$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200 > TI-500 > > > > video > > > > > > > card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to work > perfectly > > > > > except > > > > > > > that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This happens after I > > stop > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > track and hit ESC to go back to the chat/VCR/setup/etc. screen. > > > > Doesn't > > > > > > > happen all the time but has happened a couple of times now and > I'd > > > > like > > > > > to > > > > > > > figure out what's causing it. It also doesn't seem to matter how > > > long > > > > > I've > > > > > > > been racing or how long the computer has been running or > anything > > > like > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1 > drivers > > > > > (4.37) > > > > > > > and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard is an EPOX > > 8KHA+ > > > > > with > > > > > > > 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is Windows 98. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wayne Hutchison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Thanks for the info, Grant! I've also always wondered, is the LODBias set in core.ini relative to the value preset in the Nvidia driver's Registry parameters, or is it an absolute value? I.e., is -50 in core.ini -100 if the driver has been set to -0.5, or is it still -0.5? Achim "Grant Reeve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> valid values of the anisotropic setting in the core.ini are powers > of 2: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc. I don't actually know how that 14 got > into the example in the readme! :) The code takes whatever value > crazy users enter and rounds it down to the nearest power of 2, so > 14 is actually being passed to the driver as 8, which is 3 levels of > anisotropy. > > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > I'd play a little with the Anisotrophy, and also make sure it's enabled

in > > the graphics card driver (use Rivatuner 9.0 if you're using the 23.xx > > drivers). Too much Aniso can look squishy. > > > > In the driver, the medium setting (4x) is IMHO the best compromise.Within > > core.ini, I'm not sure a value of 14 make sense (but it could, I'm justnot > > sure). The driver uses something like 0, 1, 2, 3 (or at least it did up > > until 22.xx, I forgot whether they changed that to one of these crypticD3D_ > > ones in 23.xx, as together with changing the name they seem to havechanged > > the values for some of these params) for the different levels, so I amnot > > sure that a value of 14 is recognized. OTOH, I think 14 dec = 1110binary, > > so maybe depending on how this parameter is passed to the driver, thisis > > precisely how it should be passed. I just don't know. But experiment a > > little with it, that's my suggestion :-) > > > > As for other suggestions, I'd certainly like to suggest more, butthere's > > quite a lot you can try for speed or quality. There's a lot you can try.Tom

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> > Pabst I think knows a lot about this, maybe he'd care to share. > > > > Achim > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:BSn08.2411$[email hidden]... > > > What a difference with the LOD set to -0.5. I had mine set to -75. I

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> > > anisotropic filtering set to 14. Any more suggestions Joachim? One > > > improvement deserves another :o))) > > > > > > DC > > > David Ciemny <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:NCk08.11017$[email hidden]... > > > > Ok thanks Joachim. I have been problem free but will experiment a

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> > > > today. > > > > > > > > DC > > > > Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:a1sk9k$t09j8$[email hidden]... > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > > > in GPL D3D, it can be adjusted both in the Nvidia driver and in > > core.ini > > > > > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:tlg08.1250$[email hidden]... > > > > > > JT..is that in the core.ini or a nvidida tweaker? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > DC > > > > > > Joachim Trensz <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:a1q6da$sinjo$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Hi Wayne, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd try the Asus 21.81 or the Nvidia 23.11. The latter ones

should > > > > even > > > > > > > improve image quality. The 21.81_a_ felt a little shaky hereas > > > well. > > > > > > Don't > > > > > > > forget to set the LOD bias to -0.5 now if you didn't have this > > > setting > > > > > so > > > > > > > far. And enable Anisotrophy, preferrably neither the lowestnor > > the > > > > > > highest > > > > > > > settings. The ones in the middle are the best compromise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also wouldn't use the VIA IDE drivers. Like for Willard, forme > > > the > > > > > disk > > > > > > > drivers that come with Windows have always been faster andmore

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> > > stable > > > > > > than > > > > > > > the VIA drivers. Strange but true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:iOI%7.4034$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200 > > TI-500 > > > > > video > > > > > > > > card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to work > > perfectly > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This happens after

I > > > stop > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > track and hit ESC to go back to the chat/VCR/setup/etc.screen. > > > > > Doesn't > > > > > > > > happen all the time but has happened a couple of times nowand > > I'd > > > > > like > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > figure out what's causing it. It also doesn't seem to matterhow

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> > > > long > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > > been racing or how long the computer has been running or > > anything > > > > like > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1 > > drivers > > > > > > (4.37) > > > > > > > > and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard is an

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> > > 8KHA+ > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is Windows 98. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wayne Hutchison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Wayne, with what Grant suggested further up in this thread, I've set Aniso in the Nvidia driver to 4x, and in core.ini to 16. Depending on what Grant says about the LODBias being a relative or absolute value, the one in core.ini should probably be zero (if he says 'relative'). I don't know if you've tried that, but if you're thinking about overclocking, there's a nifty little freeware tool for overclocking the GF3 on the fly with one mouseclick, it's called NVTurbo. You can set it in such a way that it sets the overclocked value when you start it, and the hit the tools 'Reset' button after playing to downclock the card to default values. This way, you can overclock when you need it without running the card at the limit all the time. You can find it at http://file2.mydrivers.com/tools/display/nvturbo.exe As for overclocking the Epox, there's a tool called CPUCool which allows you to overclock the FSB of the Epox. It's also a one-click process. CPUCool is shareware and also does CPUCooling. It has a little brother that does only the overclocking, I forget what its called. You find it at http://members.tripod.de/podien/ There's BTW a new set of drivers out, the 23.12, but I don't know whether it makes sense to use them. They're probably meant to eliminate the probs XP has with some older drivers (which seem to tax the system resources a bit too hard for XP's liking). I'll dl them and see whether there's a readme that says anything interesting (usually not, unfortunately). Achim "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VnL08.198$[email hidden]... > Achim, > > Thanks for the help. I've installed the Nvidia 23.11's and so far the > lockups have disappeared. I also changed the LOD and anisotrophy as you > suggested and did notice a nice improvement in picture quality. I foundthat > I can also use FSAA with the 23.11's without the menu screens meltingaway.

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> They blur a little bit but are still legible. > > Wayne > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a1q6da$sinjo$[email hidden]... > > Hi Wayne, > > > > I'd try the Asus 21.81 or the Nvidia 23.11. The latter ones should even > > improve image quality. The 21.81_a_ felt a little shaky here as well. > Don't > > forget to set the LOD bias to -0.5 now if you didn't have this setting

so > > far. And enable Anisotrophy, preferrably neither the lowest nor the > highest > > settings. The ones in the middle are the best compromise. > > > > I also wouldn't use the VIA IDE drivers. Like for Willard, for me thedisk

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> > drivers that come with Windows have always been faster and more stable > than > > the VIA drivers. Strange but true. > > > > Achim > > > > > > "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:iOI%7.4034$[email hidden]... > > > Just put together a new system with AMD XP1800+, Asus V8200 TI-500

video > > > card and Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card. Seems to work perfectly > except > > > that occasionally it will lock up in GPL. This happens after I stop on > the > > > track and hit ESC to go back to the chat/VCR/setup/etc. screen.Doesn't > > > happen all the time but has happened a couple of times now and I'dlike

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> to > > > figure out what's causing it. It also doesn't seem to matter how long > I've > > > been racing or how long the computer has been running or anything like > > that. > > > It appears to be random. I've loaded the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers > (4.37) > > > and am running Asus drivers 21.81a. The motherboard is an EPOX 8KHA+ > with > > > 512MB of PC2100 Crucial DDRAM. The OS is Windows 98. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Wayne Hutchison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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