A good time for a beginner?

Hello all. I just recently got GPL and was wondering if a 1:32.99 is a decent time in race trim at Monza for a beginner? Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

"Target 12" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hello all. I just recently got GPL and was wondering if a 1:32.99 is adecent

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> time in race trim at Monza for a beginner? > Racer X > Veteran Sim Racer > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > Victory Lane- > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

What chassis?

Target 12 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hello all. I just recently got GPL and was wondering if a 1:32.99 is a decent > time in race trim at Monza for a beginner? Yes :-) Jonny still not below 1:30 after 2.5 years

Target 12 ([email hidden]) wrote on 19 Jan 2002: > Hello all. I just recently got GPL and was wondering if a 1:32.99 > is a decent time in race trim at Monza for a beginner? I shouldn't worry too much about times at this stage - try rating yourself by "number of crashes per lap"... :-) (Incidentally, I assume you've turned all the driver aids off - if not, do it now, or you'll have to learn all over again later.) -- "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

>What chassis? Ferrari 312 Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

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>I shouldn't worry too much about times at this stage - try rating >yourself by "number of crashes per lap"... :-) > >(Incidentally, I assume you've turned all the driver aids off - if not, >do it now, or you'll have to learn all over again later.) > >--

Yup, all aids are off. Is it possible with a good setup to take that first slow, sweeping right hander flat out? I always have to dip down to 4th and feather the gas. Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

If you are talking about the Curva Grande then no, you will have to slow down a bit. Watch the Monza replay that comes with the game to see what typical speeds are through there. BTW if you can run 1:32's in the Ferrari in race trim, you should be able to get down into the 1:30's or so with the Eagle and a good qualifying (hotlap) setup. Try it. "Target 12" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >I shouldn't worry too much about times at this stage - try rating > >yourself by "number of crashes per lap"... :-) > > > >(Incidentally, I assume you've turned all the driver aids off - ifnot, > >do it now, or you'll have to learn all over again later.) > > > >-- > > Yup, all aids are off. Is it possible with a good setup to take thatfirst > slow, sweeping right hander flat out? I always have to dip down to4th and

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> feather the gas. > Racer X > Veteran Sim Racer > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > Victory Lane- > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Target 12) writes: >Yup, all aids are off. Is it possible with a good setup to take that first >slow, sweeping right hander flat out? I always have to dip down to 4th and >feather the gas. Not in the F1 car... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>BTW if you can run 1:32's in the >Ferrari in race trim, you should be able to get down into the 1:30's or >so with the Eagle and a good qualifying (hotlap) setup. Try it. How does the Eagle handle compared to the Ferrari? I'm now down to 1:31.27 during a race and am pretty comfortable with the car. Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

The Eagle has a higher polar moment of inertia than the Ferrari, which means it is more difficult to get it to turn it, and more difficult to get it to straighten out once it starts turning. However it will reach higher speeds on the straights than the Ferrari and you can make up some time there. Since you apparently have some experience in larger cars it may not even be a problem. Monza is a relatively high speed track, and that is what the Eagle is good at. Put it this way, unless you are reaching around 193 mph or better in the Ferrari at the end of the two straights, you will probably be faster in the Eagle. If you don't like the low speed handling of the Eagle, then go for the Lotus. But either one is faster at Monza than the Ferrari, which has a limited top speed due to high drag. "Target 12" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >BTW if you can run 1:32's in the > >Ferrari in race trim, you should be able to get down into the 1:30'sor > >so with the Eagle and a good qualifying (hotlap) setup. Try it. > > How does the Eagle handle compared to the Ferrari? I'm now down to1:31.27

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> during a race and am pretty comfortable with the car. > Racer X > Veteran Sim Racer > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > Victory Lane- > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ >

Target 12 ([email hidden]) wrote on 19 Jan 2002: > Yup, all aids are off. Is it possible with a good setup to take > that first slow, sweeping right hander flat out? I always have to > dip down to 4th and feather the gas. No, you're doing it right. When you get really comfortable with the car, you'll notice it *just* going light on the corner, and you can use the little slide to keep a bit of speed. It works better in the Lotus, though, because that's the fastest car. -- "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

Thanks for advice guys. Now in the Eagle and a little tweaking to the default setup, I'm down to a 1:29.73 in race trim Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

A very good time for a beginner! But what is your definition of "race trim"? Fuel? /Jens "Target 12" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:[email hidden]...

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> Thanks for advice guys. Now in the Eagle and a little tweaking to the default > setup, I'm down to a 1:29.73 in race trim > Racer X > Veteran Sim Racer > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > Victory Lane- > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ >

Target 12 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thanks for advice guys. Now in the Eagle and a little tweaking to the default > setup, I'm down to a 1:29.73 in race trim That's it, I'm not talking to you any more! <sulk> :-) I've been trying Monza over the last few days, and found a little time over my first efforts by reverting to the Eagle (rather than Lotus) plus my saved 'best laptime' setup, but mid 1:30s are still all I could manage :-( Still, I've run the 'Ring under 8:30 :-P </sulk> Jonny

Yah, fuel was lowered. I thought having a full tank for an 11 lap race was a bit too conservative.=)

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>A very good time for a beginner! But what is your definition of "race trim"? >Fuel? > >/Jens > >"Target 12" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse >news:[email hidden]... >> Thanks for advice guys. Now in the Eagle and a little tweaking to the >default >> setup, I'm down to a 1:29.73 in race trim >> Racer X >> Veteran Sim Racer >> #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC >> #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL >> Victory Lane- >> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ >>

Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

Have you looked at your Monza laps in GPLRA? I don't think I ever would have gotten even under 1:32 without it. In my case the Lesmo's were killing me, and then once I got that straightened out it was mostly a matter of cleaning up my entry to the Curva Grande. But different for everyone I suppose. "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FcD28.91896$[email hidden]... > > Target 12 <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]... > > Thanks for advice guys. Now in the Eagle and a little tweaking tothe default

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> > setup, I'm down to a 1:29.73 in race trim > > That's it, I'm not talking to you any more! <sulk> > > :-) > > I've been trying Monza over the last few days, and found a little > time over my first efforts by reverting to the Eagle (rather than > Lotus) plus my saved 'best laptime' setup, but mid 1:30s are still > all I could manage :-( > > Still, I've run the 'Ring under 8:30 :-P > > </sulk> > > Jonny > > > > >

Haqsau <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a2f4fd$1110h4$[email hidden]... > Have you looked at your Monza laps in GPLRA? I don't think I ever would > have gotten even under 1:32 without it. In my case the Lesmo's were > killing me, and then once I got that straightened out it was mostly a > matter of cleaning up my entry to the Curva Grande. But different for > everyone I suppose. Just d/l'd it - been meaning to for a while, really. Which views do people find most useful? And do you mostly compare your own laps, or your best with alien laps - or sort-of-human laps? Jonny

you might try the BRM as well , I am amazed at how unforgiving that car is. You can really sling it around corners and it barely complains.. On 19 Jan 2002 05:46:39 GMT, [email hidden] (Target 12) wrote:

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>Hello all. I just recently got GPL and was wondering if a 1:32.99 is a decent >time in race trim at Monza for a beginner? >Racer X >Veteran Sim Racer >#4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC >#24 Monte Carlo in the DORL >Victory Lane- >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ >

For me at least the alien laps are somewhat irrelevant. I have watched a few, and got some good ideas from them, but I mostly compare my laps with the Papy demos, and for some tracks I have the Malcolm Edeson replays from the GPLEGs package. For views, it depends on what the problem is. Usually I start by viewing some replays in GPL, so I don't usually need to look at the track map in GPLRA. But sometimes the track map is very helpful just to understand why the line is the way it is. Mostly I go to the speed view, that seems to be the quickest way to point out a problem. Then if I can't figure out why my speed is off, I will go to the lateral acceleration view, the G-G graph, or the track view. But since the type of problems I usually run into right now are related either to braking point or getting back on the throttle, the speed view is the most helpful. "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RPF28.93070$[email hidden]... > > Haqsau <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:a2f4fd$1110h4$[email hidden]... > > Have you looked at your Monza laps in GPLRA? I don't think I everwould > > have gotten even under 1:32 without it. In my case the Lesmo's were > > killing me, and then once I got that straightened out it was mostlya > > matter of cleaning up my entry to the Curva Grande. But differentfor

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> > everyone I suppose. > > Just d/l'd it - been meaning to for a while, really. > > Which views do people find most useful? And do you mostly compare > your own laps, or your best with alien laps - or sort-of-human laps? > > Jonny > >

In article <[email hidden]>, (Rich#8) writes: >you might try the BRM as well , I am amazed at how unforgiving that >car is. You can really sling it around corners and it barely >complains.. Yeah, because it's too effing SLOW to realize what's going on... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <RPF28.93070$[email hidden]>, "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> writes: >Which views do people find most useful? And do you mostly compare >your own laps, or your best with alien laps - or sort-of-human laps? > I usually can't see the difference between two of my oen laps. I try to compare to a lap that's maybe 3 seconds faster. While I might not FIND those 3 seconds, I might see something that at least gets me CLOSER. Another suggestion made by Maxx is look for an F2 replay that has a similar time as your lap. Since F2's have a slower top speed, that means they run a better line through the corners than you do. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.